I think Eagles is second benchmark game of the season

They just do not match up well against the Eagles especially on a short week. Martinez is banged up and who know how hurt. No WRs....

It is rare that I do not see a path to a win. But I was almost wrong against the Rams in LA.

being out (possibly, nothing definitive yet) helps. I don't see how we don't match-up well against them. We aren't good but there is nothing scary about the Eagles.

Do you see the Giants possibly beating the Eagles?

How?

In comment 15014384 NYG22 said:

Quote:

being out (possibly, nothing definitive yet) helps. I don't see how we don't match-up well against them. We aren't good but there is nothing scary about the Eagles.

Yeah, that will be huge. They have been decimated by injuries. If Goedert and Reagor aren't back, they should really be thin, plus the injuries to their OL. I'm not putting money on the Giants, but they are getting them at a good time.

changing our style of play by team we face. Here's the deal- we could have beaten Rams. We should have beaten Dallas. We did beat the Redskins. This team can beat Philly.

Which would improve their WR corps with Fulgham and Ward.

They still have a very good DL and linebacking group.

This is a winnable game, but the Giants need to bring it and get in on Wentz. Their OL...especially with Driskoll's injury yesterday....can be attacked unlike other years.

Right or wrong, I will think this team has turned a corner.

The Giants are 4-16 against Philly since 2010.

watching the Giants for 6 games, and watching what the Eagles have done and how they play

Giants are going to lose by 14+ points.

I dont see how we're gonna score on them

In comment 15014386 M.S. said:

Quote:

Do you see the Giants possibly beating the Eagles? How?

Because they aren’t good? Our lack of a second corner isn’t going to hurt us here. This defense has shown it can snuff out passes to RBs. Their tight ends worry me a bit. Defensively, they aren’t too different than what we just saw in Washington. People acting like this isn’t a winnable game or thinking of what the Eagles were, not what they are right now.

He should be coach for life

In comment 15014411 cjac said:

Quote:

watching the Giants for 6 games, and watching what the Eagles have done and how they play Giants are going to lose by 14+ points. I dont see how we're gonna score on them

If a game vs a 1-4 Philly team that’s been ravaged by injuries isn’t winnable in year 3 of Gettleman then we are in deep shit.

In comment 15014425 Metnut said:

Quote:

In comment 15014411 cjac said: Quote: watching the Giants for 6 games, and watching what the Eagles have done and how they play Giants are going to lose by 14+ points. I dont see how we're gonna score on them If a game vs a 1-4 Philly team that’s been ravaged by injuries isn’t winnable in year 3 of Gettleman then we are in deep shit.

Deeper than any of us think I fear.

Gettleman himself is in the deepest

In comment 15014425 Metnut said:

Quote:

In comment 15014411 cjac said: Quote: watching the Giants for 6 games, and watching what the Eagles have done and how they play Giants are going to lose by 14+ points. I dont see how we're gonna score on them If a game vs a 1-4 Philly team that’s been ravaged by injuries isn’t winnable in year 3 of Gettleman then we are in deep shit.

I believe this is really season #1. The first 2 were pissing in the wind.

It isn't about wins, it's about how they win. If the Giants beat Philly in the same type of game that was just played against Washington, how valuable of a win is it in determining whether the team has turned the corner?

Are they close, but just need to learn how to win? Are the atrocious and still far off? Are they actually better than we think (the defense at least)?

As bad as this team is, if they win Thursday, I think 5 division wins is right in their grasp which would almost certainly get you the crown this year.

In comment 15014440 crick n NC said:

Quote:

It isn't about wins, it's about how they win. If the Giants beat Philly in the same type of game that was just played against Washington, how valuable of a win is it in determining whether the team has turned the corner?

I'd say they are finally learning how to win and beating teams that should. They aren't good yet, that is clear as day, but is it possible they are close to mediocre right now, just dealt a bad hand as far as schedule and some luck?

I don't expect them to. Pederson has our number and is a good coach who finds ways to win. Not sure Judge has shown that yet. After the SF game, I am not delusional. They have shown in the past two games the NFC East is on fairly common ground and I just don't think we have anything that puts us at an advantage against an experienced Philly team.

In comment 15014447 Zeke's Alibi said:

Quote:

In comment 15014440 crick n NC said: Quote: It isn't about wins, it's about how they win. If the Giants beat Philly in the same type of game that was just played against Washington, how valuable of a win is it in determining whether the team has turned the corner? I'd say they are finally learning how to win and beating teams that should. They aren't good yet, that is clear as day, but is it possible they are close to mediocre right now, just dealt a bad hand as far as schedule and some luck?

Zeke, I am more inclined to see it your way. My issue is with fans complaining about how the quality of yesterday's win, then claiming if the Giants just beat Philly without considering context that it somehow would show progress.

I'm not applying this to you, but I have seen this take already.

You really truly think this team has a chance to win the division?

I respect your opinions and i read a lot of what you put on this site, but in this instance I'm not sure what you're watching. How are we going to score?

They have our number for sure. The defense has been bad, the OL has been horrible, the receiver drop a ton of balls, Wentz has been a mistake machine and the coach has been heavily criticized. Their only win was a bit lucky.

The Giants can lose to anybody. We have shown that we do what it takes to lose. Bad luck, bad calls, bad plays, stupid penalties, and turnovers. They have a full toolkit.

A win here is still very possible and would give them a chance to make the rest of the season interesting.

In comment 15014451 Dinger said:

Quote:

I don't expect them to. Pederson has our number and is a good coach who finds ways to win. Not sure Judge has shown that yet. After the SF game, I am not delusional. They have shown in the past two games the NFC East is on fairly common ground and I just don't think we have anything that puts us at an advantage against an experienced Philly team.

Pederson is one of the most overrated guys to win a superbowl. He does things every game that are absolutely mind boggling. Franck Reich was the driver of that offense.

In comment 15014458 cjac said:

Quote:

You really truly think this team has a chance to win the division? I respect your opinions and i read a lot of what you put on this site, but in this instance I'm not sure what you're watching. How are we going to score?

Yes I do, in fact right before the Cowboys game I doubled down my bet on them to win at NFC East. They were 40-1 and that loss was a kick in the nuts, but I also took them before the season at 20-1. Figured if it wasn't the Cowboys we have just a good as shot as anyone because of how bad the Eagles and Skins are. Well Dak is now hurt and the Boys defense is trash. It's literally a wide open race for the toilet bowl, how people can't see that I'm not sure. The Eagles lost to this same Skins team!

we couldnt beat the Eagles when we were good. They will get embarrassed on Thursday because its what they do.

lose tonight. I'd imagine the Giants will be around 10-1.

of a bad team (NYG) versus a slightly less bad team? Why are some of you acting like its a huge gap? Its an opening spread of 6 and that's before the Ertz, Sanders injury announcements.

What was the number of losses in a row to philly? 16? Whatever this is a bad situation for us to be in. Injury bug hitting on a short week against a division rival. Not good. Can totally see this being Carson Wentz “get right” game. He’ll go back to playing like an MVP candidate just for this one game and struggle vs everyone else making us wonder what we are doing so wrong. I wish I was a gambling man, That trains never late!!

Philly is not a good team. But we cannot score points. Giants are the easiest team to defend in NFL. Nothing at all to worry about. Teams with a historically bad pass defense have shut us down no problem. This will be more of the same. Philly is so bad we may be in it for a while but we don't score enough to put any game away.

"learn how to win" sentiment that I keep reading? I'm no pro, and don't pretend to be, but I played sports through college and after. Good teams and bad. The team either has the talent and coaching to win or it doesn't. Can someone explain this?

In comment 15014473 Zeke's Alibi said:

Quote:

In comment 15014458 cjac said: Quote: You really truly think this team has a chance to win the division? I respect your opinions and i read a lot of what you put on this site, but in this instance I'm not sure what you're watching. How are we going to score? Yes I do, in fact right before the Cowboys game I doubled down my bet on them to win at NFC East. They were 40-1 and that loss was a kick in the nuts, but I also took them before the season at 20-1. Figured if it wasn't the Cowboys we have just a good as shot as anyone because of how bad the Eagles and Skins are. Well Dak is now hurt and the Boys defense is trash. It's literally a wide open race for the toilet bowl, how people can't see that I'm not sure. The Eagles lost to this same Skins team!

I'll tell you what, i dont know where you live, but if the Giants win the division, i'll give you my seats to any 2021 Giant game you want. (that is if covid is gone and all that and were back to normal)

disclaimer 2 is its for you to go to the game, i'm not giving you my tickets to give to someone else

They mean not going in the tank in close games when something goes wrong. Like if they are in the 4th quarter of a tied game and the other team scores or forces a turnover they shouldn’t just assume “here we go again” and give up. Learning how to win also means learning to deal w/adversity and making plays under pressure

Is it unlikely? As of now yes, but the NFL things change on a dime. Cowboys lose tonight, Giants beat the Eagles on Thursday and Cowboys lose to Skins (that game is always tight) next week all of a sudden you have a 4 way race in the NFC East. This isn't past the scope of possibility. And it has nothign with the Giants being good, but this division being historically poor. The nice thing is though, this teams arrow is pointing up as far as age and development is concerned. Nobody lost a bigger piece than we did this year with Saquon.

In comment 15014509 Bleedblue10 said:

Quote:

They mean not going in the tank in close games when something goes wrong. Like if they are in the 4th quarter of a tied game and the other team scores or forces a turnover they shouldn’t just assume “here we go again” and give up. Learning how to win also means learning to deal w/adversity and making plays under pressure

This. It's a mentality and why I hate this tanking idea unless you are jettisoning everyone. Players get accostomed to losing and winning. I've been on really good teams in my life and some really bad ones (notably football). When that culure is in place, you just expect to lose. In tight games (where half of them are) perception has a tendency to become reality.

and I don't mean to be snarky, I guess I just assumed that if you made it all the way to the NFL, weren't a pussy, and had the benefit of years of coaching that you would innately be able to avoid those pitfalls.

additional detail Zeke.

This is the unwinnable game that if NYG ever did win will be totally discredited. That's how it's become around here lately.

Needs to score a touchdown in the red Zone. Until we can score touchdowns in the red Zone we are not going to win.

the first being the game against the cowboys. And the statement would simply be that we aren't a guaranteed win in the NFCE like we have been the past several years.

We haven't beat Philly since splitting in 2016. 0-7 in the last 7.

We similarly hadn't beat Dallas since winning both games against them in 2016 and are now 0-7 after losing to them this year.

Beating the redskins isn't new. Even surprising in an out of division game wouldn't have been that new. Beating Dallas and Philly is a big next step this team needs to take - especially with Philly in a world of hurt right now in terms of injuries.

A little early for that, they finally won a game.
They are not in the 'benchmark' category as of yet.
Let them win some games first please...and this
Thurs. night is most likely not one of them.

In comment 15014558 Eric on Li said:

Quote:

the first being the game against the cowboys. And the statement would simply be that we aren't a guaranteed win in the NFCE like we have been the past several years. We haven't beat Philly since splitting in 2016. 0-7 in the last 7. We similarly hadn't beat Dallas since winning both games against them in 2016 and are now 0-7 after losing to them this year. Beating the redskins isn't new. Even surprising in an out of division game wouldn't have been that new. Beating Dallas and Philly is a big next step this team needs to take - especially with Philly in a world of hurt right now in terms of injuries.

.

It's now the "Washington Football Team' to you...
This division really does suck though, good Lord.

In comment 15014526 Chris684 said:

Quote:

This is the unwinnable game that if NYG ever did win will be totally discredited. That's how it's become around here lately.

I understand where you are coming from and we won yesterday but to a lot of us, it felt like it wasn't because of the plays WE made but the ones WFT didn't make.

This will be a benchmark game IF we win, DJ doesn't turn the ball over, the D makes a stop when it has to and the OL doesn't look like crap.

In comment 15014384 NYG22 said:

Quote:

being out (possibly, nothing definitive yet) helps. I don't see how we don't match-up well against them. We aren't good but there is nothing scary about the Eagles.

The Eagles can really rush the passer. Jones biggest issue is sack fumbles. Can they keep Jones clean? Can he make plays under heavy duress? Can he not end a 1 play drive with a TO? Can he lead a comeback drive in the 4th Q? With the Eagles passrush, I would say no. But he can prove me wrong on Thursday.

but it doesn't fucking matter how they beat the Eagles.

If they beat the Eagles 3-0, we will be over the fucking moon and you all know it.

good teams can have benchmark games. It can be a benchmark that you are actually much worse than you are. Shit if we get blown out by Eagles that's it for the year. Can't get a better benchmark then that.

In comment 15014501 flicker, flea said:

Quote:

"learn how to win" sentiment that I keep reading? I'm no pro, and don't pretend to be, but I played sports through college and after. Good teams and bad. The team either has the talent and coaching to win or it doesn't. Can someone explain this?

I’d add that beyond physical talent, some folks have the ability/discipline to make smart decisions, ie decisions that increase your odds and probabilities of winning. You can see in all sports. It golf, for example, you can play with a person with infinitely more “talent” who takes unnecessary risks. Sometimes just making sure you two putt from 10 feet is the winning play. Or basketball, not committing a stupid foul in wrong situation.

In football, it’s a lot more of a split second thing, a recognition thing. Some of it is coaching, but even with great coaching it sometimes takes years to get it (and some people never get it). Perfect example might be DJ’s interception yesterday ... the “learning to win” would be DJ recognizing that points on the board in that situation was far and away the most important outcome, and should have informed his approach to the play (and readiness to dump the ball or even take the sack when K Smith whiffed).

In comment 15014384 NYG22 said:

Quote:

being out (possibly, nothing definitive yet) helps. I don't see how we don't match-up well against them. We aren't good but there is nothing scary about the Eagles.

They are indeed OUT on Thursday.

the number of oddball, just plain weird shit that seems to happen when we play them, I don't see us winning this. I want to be wrong. I want a win for a change.

In comment 15014661 Photoguy said:

Quote:

the number of oddball, just plain weird shit that seems to happen when we play them, I don't see us winning this. I want to be wrong. I want a win for a change.

I lauged at this because it's true and based on all the weird bounces and questionable calls (not one to usually point fingers at the refs) that couldnt be overturned this year, I'm sure something is going to happen to make me apoplectic. At least I feel about this team again. Honestly could barely give a shit up until they actually took a 10 pt lead early in the Wash game.

In comment 15014443 Zeke's Alibi said:

Quote:

Are they close, but just need to learn how to win? Are the atrocious and still far off? Are they actually better than we think (the defense at least)? As bad as this team is, if they win Thursday, I think 5 division wins is right in their grasp which would almost certainly get you the crown this year.

Close to what? 5-11 instead of 4-12?

Let's say we beat WFT twice, Eagles once, and the Bengals. That doesn't make this team any closer to anything?

In comment 15014523 flicker, flea said:

Quote:

additional detail Zeke.

As far as your point goes about these guys being professionals. These guys are freak athletes and many get to this level despite being absolute mental midgets. Plenty of evidence out there of that. One of the coaches biggest jobs is managing the emotions of their team in game and in season as football is an extremely emotional sport.

fwiw