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UConn4523 : 10/19/2020 4:01 pm
just looked at the clock and realized there's a game in an hour. And started thinking how awesome it is for us on the East Coast to get things started early. Which brings me to this thread - what, if anything, has the NFL learned from this clusterfuck of a season that can be applied to a post- COVID league?

I'm really really hoping its the removal of TNF. Adding in a MNF double header would be awesome too, but admittedly don't know what the difference in ratings are between TNF and 5pm MNF. I'm guessing its enough to not cancel TNF, but maybe not?

Anything else you'd like to see the NFL continue with once the shitshow is over?
They would have to talk to NFL Network  
nygiants16 : 10/19/2020 4:03 pm : link
Would they rather have thuraday night or monday at 5?

I agree i like the 2 monday games and no thursday night game
This is probably an unpopular opinion  
jv : 10/19/2020 4:05 pm : link
but I like Thursday Night games. Good excuse to get out of the house and get some food and drinks with friends on a weeknight. Takes you right into Friday and then the weekend is here.
I wouldn’t mind  
bubba0825 : 10/19/2020 4:06 pm : link
A Monday night game at 6, I feel 5 is too early
RE: This is probably an unpopular opinion  
UConn4523 : 10/19/2020 4:07 pm : link
In comment 15014864 jv said:
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but I like Thursday Night games. Good excuse to get out of the house and get some food and drinks with friends on a weeknight. Takes you right into Friday and then the weekend is here.


I hear you, and don’t disagree on the concept. For me it’s the game itself is usually subpar and for a league that’s supposed to care about player health, a game on less than 4 days rest doesn’t jive.
I rarely watch the  
section125 : 10/19/2020 4:10 pm : link
Thursday game, because I forget about it.

But thanks for the reminder about tonight.
RE: RE: This is probably an unpopular opinion  
jv : 10/19/2020 4:14 pm : link
In comment 15014866 UConn4523 said:
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I hear you, and don’t disagree on the concept. For me it’s the game itself is usually subpar and for a league that’s supposed to care about player health, a game on less than 4 days rest doesn’t jive.


Player safety-wise I 100% agree that Thursday night games are a terrible idea. It would probably be difficult logistically but a good compromise could be to make Thursday night games consist of teams coming off a bye week. Would eliminate some Thursday night games early in the season and at the end of the season but seems doable.
my biggest gripe with TNF is the matchups  
giants#1 : 10/19/2020 4:14 pm : link
are often garbage. Take this week for example, outside of NY/NJ/PA, why would anyone want to watch these 2 teams? And it certainly feels like TNF has bottom tier teams matching up more often than not.

I do agree though, that Monday night double headers are nice. Only issue is I could see them pushing them back >30 min if they kept them going forward. 530 start for Game 1 would have it ending as the West Coast gets home.
Agreed  
UConn4523 : 10/19/2020 4:15 pm : link
if the incorporated BYES better it wouldn’t be that big of a problem. Safety first and foremost but also allow questionable players that extra time to heal who’d otherwise play a Sunday game.
TNF is a waste....  
BillKo : 10/19/2020 4:16 pm : link
..except in very isolated cases (say Thanksgiving). Just the case that every team has to make an appearance is brutal too.

Teams are beat up and not ready. The quality of play - arguably already slipping on Sunday's - is worse on Thursday.

And road teams are at a huge dissadvantage IMO.

The NFL is oversaturating itself with TNF.

RE: my biggest gripe with TNF is the matchups  
BillKo : 10/19/2020 4:22 pm : link
In comment 15014878 giants#1 said:
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are often garbage. Take this week for example, outside of NY/NJ/PA, why would anyone want to watch these 2 teams? And it certainly feels like TNF has bottom tier teams matching up more often than not.


This is a HUGE issue. The game I hate the most? Tenn at Jacksonville. They play that every year......UGH!!!!

WHen you put games on special nights (not Sunday day time), you want hopefully great matchups.

By having every team making an appearance, you aren't going to get good games (competing with SNF, and MNF).

As I always say, look at the schedule every week. There are 'dog' games across the board.

5p kickoffs  
rsjem1979 : 10/19/2020 4:24 pm : link
Post-COVID, assuming the majority of people are back in their workplaces, anybody who commutes will miss some (or all) of the game.

Even I'm the Eastern Time zone a 5p kickoff is problematic. You'd basically be eliminating west coast viewers.

There's a reason primetime games kickoff at 820p. Even if your west coast audience joins a little late, you've got them for at least 3 quarters.

Now maybe the world changes more significantly and that creates a different set of circumstances, but as long as ratings and ad revenue are driving the bus, playing a game at 5p eastern is probably not going to happen.
They should make it an 18 week schedule  
moespree : 10/19/2020 4:32 pm : link
With 2 bye weeks. And if they go to 18 games, then a 20 week schedule with 2 bye weeks.

I can't help but think they should have done something like this for this season, projecting the type of cancellations and postponements they have had.

As for TV TNF should be eliminated. MNF kickoff should be 8 even. Not 8:17 or 8:37 or whatever it is. 8 EST. Game over between 10:35-11:15 EST. A MNF doubleheader doesn't seem possible to me.

If you want to add Saturday Night after thanksgiving like they once had, fine. If I remember they did pretty good ratings and were good games. That seems reasonable.
Actually you are underthinking this, the NFL  
jvm52106 : 10/19/2020 4:36 pm : link
won't cancel Thursday but they may add 2 Monday games or even Tuesday hames.. Lots of ways to go especially if the go to 18 game seasons.
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Danny Kanell : 10/19/2020 4:38 pm : link
I think there should be a Saturday night game. More 4pm Sunday games and a MNF double header. And remove TNF.

Tuesday night football  
US1 Giants : 10/19/2020 4:42 pm : link
I think Tuesday night football would be better for players than Thursday.
TNF  
Mike in NY : 10/19/2020 4:45 pm : link
I think the match-up issue is because the NFL is trying to get as many teams as possible a nationally televised game. That way fans outside of home market will stay interested as SNF and MNF tries to take the best ratings draws they can get regardless of if it is the same teams over and over again.
One thing I realized is, other than a longer wait for "real football"  
FranknWeezer : 10/19/2020 4:57 pm : link
I didn't miss the preseason at all.
A lot of things  
ron mexico : 10/19/2020 5:30 pm : link
Unlimited short term IR
Bigger practice squads
Less restrictions on who can be on practice squad
Ability to protect PS players
Yeah, they are not going have  
redwhiteandbigblue : 10/19/2020 5:30 pm : link
East Coast Monday night games at 5pm,or even 6pm. How would you expect people to make it to games in time? As a STH I would be beyond pissed for any Monday night home game to start that early.
hmmm the obvious one  
giantfan2000 : 10/19/2020 5:32 pm : link
Pre Season is not really missed
week 1 play was not so horrible vs typical week 1 play

I can see NFL reducing Pre Season to 3 or 2 games next season
I  
jtfuoco : 10/19/2020 5:33 pm : link
Agree that double header Monday night football is far more appealing then TNF. Leave Thursday night for smaller market college football games. Except for Thanksgiving or if Christmas falls on a Thursday. Also I wouldn't mind having 4 thanksgiving games a early morning game the the two Detroit/Dallas mid day games and a night game.
Watching a game at 2 pm on Monday the west coast is a pain in the ass  
BH28 : 10/19/2020 5:39 pm : link
If they do a double header in the future, it would have to be like the opener, a late start at like 730 pm west, but then you are making the east coast stay up until midnight.
I agree that the mid-afternoon Pacific Time start is problematic  
81_Great_Dane : 10/19/2020 6:07 pm : link
for people on Pacific and even Mountain time.

There are only so many days a week when the NFL can program games. Not Friday or Saturday because of HS and college ball. There's one night a week (Tuesday or Wednesday, I forget which) when a lot of churches and clubs have meetings, and that is a big deal for a lot of the country. So that's three days a week that are pretty much off the table. There's Sunday, Monday, Thursday and maybe one more available for NFL telecasts. Sunday and Monday aren't going anywhere, and I'm sure the NFL would prefer to be on 4 nights a week -- they're already on 3. I can't see them just walking away from the money.
RE: This is probably an unpopular opinion  
jpkmets : 10/19/2020 6:22 pm : link
In comment 15014864 jv said:
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but I like Thursday Night games. Good excuse to get out of the house and get some food and drinks with friends on a weeknight. Takes you right into Friday and then the weekend is here.


Yep. I love TNF even though the games themselves are not often compelling.
I have no idea why they can't do a 5 30 start  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/19/2020 6:24 pm : link
for Monday night football. People on west coast start and end work earlier and for the most with the options to watch the game would be available. People have access to games in more ways then just being around a tv now. Even then most workplaces have one.
RE: I agree that the mid-afternoon Pacific Time start is problematic  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/19/2020 6:28 pm : link
In comment 15014970 81_Great_Dane said:
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for people on Pacific and even Mountain time.

There are only so many days a week when the NFL can program games. Not Friday or Saturday because of HS and college ball. There's one night a week (Tuesday or Wednesday, I forget which) when a lot of churches and clubs have meetings, and that is a big deal for a lot of the country. So that's three days a week that are pretty much off the table. There's Sunday, Monday, Thursday and maybe one more available for NFL telecasts. Sunday and Monday aren't going anywhere, and I'm sure the NFL would prefer to be on 4 nights a week -- they're already on 3. I can't see them just walking away from the money.


The question is whether the 5 30 game on Monday can do better than Thursday night football. I have a weird suspicion it will. Just look at how many people on this thread would rather have this set up. I miss quite a bit of Thursday night football now because unless I'm interested in the matchup I could almost guarantee the quality isn't going to be up to snuff.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/19/2020 7:32 pm : link
I think a Tuesday night game would be great in place of a Thursday night game.
I like the idea of MNF doubleheaders..  
Sean : 10/19/2020 7:59 pm : link
First game at 5pm. I like the idea of Thursday night football being replaced by Tuesday night football (this actually gives teams an extra day off as opposed to Thursday.)

Also, there is no excuse to only have 2 late afternoon window Sunday games like we saw yesterday.
Sean.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/19/2020 8:07 pm : link
West Coasters won't like that. 2 PM kickoff? Of course, as a current East Coaster, I'd love that.
RE: RE: I agree that the mid-afternoon Pacific Time start is problematic  
rsjem1979 : 10/19/2020 8:27 pm : link
In comment 15014981 Zeke's Alibi said:
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The question is whether the 5 30 game on Monday can do better than Thursday night football. I have a weird suspicion it will.


I promise you, it cannot, despite some anecdotal support in an unofficial survey of east coast fans on a message board.

Again, this assumes that things are back to "normal" across the country. To be honest, even NYC commuters would miss half the game if it started at 5p. If I left my office at 5 on the nose, by the time I got a train and got home and took my shoes off, it would be at least 630. By the time I get my son fed and off to bed, another hour is gone by, and the game is almost over.

For folks in other timezones the situation is even worse. The NFL isn't going to sell ad space for pennies on the dollar to air a game while people in Chicago, Dallas, St. Louis, Houston, Denver, KC, Seattle, LA and San Francisco are at work.

Now, if a significant portion of the country is working remotely it's obviously a different story - which is also why you have to take any ratings you see from today's game with a grain of salt.
I would be thrilled if they axed TNF  
Greg from LI : 10/19/2020 8:29 pm : link
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Oh I def agree DJ that needs to stop floating backwards when pressure  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/19/2020 8:49 pm : link
hits. It's been noticeable the past few weeks. Andrew Thomas is also not riding the guy for enough out the play. He's getting beat to the edge and he's going to try to ride them out too early because he doesn't have good leverage. Then guys are using that to set up their inside moves. Part of the growing pains.
The biggest one for me  
Sneakers O'toole : 10/20/2020 9:52 am : link
The emphasis on the officials only flagging blatant penalties. Keep the flag in the pocket unless your sure about what you're seeing.

The games have been better in this regard. Let them play
one thing to consider  
UConn4523 : 10/20/2020 9:55 am : link
is people will be working from home for a while. I'm not sure what % of people home now will still be home this time next year but I bet its a significant portion.

I doubt the NFL will make a decision based on this, but its a factor I think.
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