McAdoo rode a high priced defensive shopping spree and a career year from Beckham (until the playoffs) to 11 wins. He did a decent job that year. He also completely changed by year 2, proved himself to be a total clown and subsequently oversaw a locker room revolt/meltdown.
He was probably slightly better than Shurmur (that aint saying much) but much more of a douche.
His Patrick Mahomes "wisdom" hasn't lead to any other significant job since we canned him.
2017 was the perfect storm for failure - Eli was hitting the wall and we were overcome with injuries - Beckham, Marshall, Pugh, Westburg, etc - that significantly impacted the majority of the year.
Hell, our year ended with Shepherd and Roger Lewis as our leading WRs. So any momentum from 2016 was quickly cut short.
where they are officially the worst division in history. At this point like half the out of division games have happened in NFL and we have what 2 wins to show for it?
I have both QB’s my opponent has Hopkins. Super Flex league, 0.5 PPR, 1 point per 10 yards rushing or receiving, 4 points for QB passing TD, 6 points for any other TD. Currently I am leading by 3.7 points.
Cardinals deserve credit for moving off Rosen. Their offense is so much better.
They are very good. Unfortunately for them, they play in the best division in the NFL and may miss the playoffs with 9 or even 10 wins...despite the playoff expansion.
Steve Kiam deserves a lot of credit taking a chance with Kliff Kinsbury; and then the courage to draft Murray right after Rosen.
Eaglea going fucking down this Thursday. If a team with no fucking name beat them and we just beat that noname team then its a philly cheese steak thursday
In comment 15015212 Go Terps said:
[quote] it's really stupid to draft a QB two years in a row... [/quote
Serious question because I don’t remember but were you this dead set against Jones last season? Was your mind made up by this past offseason?
My timeline with Jones was this:
1. Saw the Pro Days, I thought Jones was clearly the best non-Murray QB
2. Once Eli's bonus was paid, I said drafting a quarterback was stupid and made absolutely no sense
3. Some relief when it was Jones and not Haskins, but of course Gettleman fucked up resource allocation again; we ended up paying Eli $23M for 4 starts
4. I was encouraged early by Jones's play, and grew more and more concerned as the year went
5. This season my concern has grown into dread that we're tying any aspect of our future to him
It's all based on his play. He's got major flaws that aren't the kind of thing you coach out of a guy very often.
RE: RE: RE: He's the last coach to get us to playoffs because he was gifted
an all pro defense in an overspend by the GM was his ass on the coals. Sure that produced results for a year, but is a big reason we found ourselves where we are. Robbed Peter to pay Paul.
Look, McAdoo is an easy target. I get it.
But someone has to get credit for our last playoff year. And he was smart enough to know Eli was done and we needed to look to the future (i.e. Mahomes).
Unfortunately for McAdoo, he paid the ultimate price for those truths because no one above him wanted to hear them.
McAdoo rode a high priced defensive shopping spree and a career year from Beckham (until the playoffs) to 11 wins. He did a decent job that year. He also completely changed by year 2, proved himself to be a total clown and subsequently oversaw a locker room revolt/meltdown.
He was probably slightly better than Shurmur (that aint saying much) but much more of a douche.
His Patrick Mahomes "wisdom" hasn't lead to any other significant job since we canned him.
I don’t think McAdoo was a misunderstood genius by any measure— he clearly did a terrible job of leading, commanding respect, and holding the locker room together.
BUT I also don’t really buy the whole “rode a defensive shopping spree to the playoffs” narrative I always read on here. If all we had to do was empty the bank and buy a shiny new defense to become a playoff team again why haven’t we done that? Didn’t we have like $90M in cap room this past offseason? Wasn’t 2020 supposed to be “the year” where all our cap space was cleared to build an actual team? That cap $ ran out quick (although I like the signings we made) and it certainly hasn’t translated into a nice platinum one-hit wonder defense that Judge can sit back and ride to an easy 10-6 record.
I still think things fell apart incredibly fast in 2017. It felt at first like we were catching some bad breaks here and there and we stacked a few close one score losses... and everyone was freaking out and calling to clean house (including the media) and the players weren’t mentally strong enough to keep it out of their locker room. Mistrust was sewed so quickly and McAdoo didn’t have the balls to grab control of the whole thing and next thing we knew a few fireworks here and there turned into a full on dumpster fire out of nowhere. In retrospect it really was pretty amazing how quick everyone was to call 2016 a fluke and blow the whole thing up. It’s been 4 years and we haven’t sniffed a .500 season since.
There’s really no excuse not to win it. For as bad as the Giants have been the rest of the division is just as bad. Who wants it the most?
I actually think you may be right. The division is a complete abomination.
All of the excuses people make for why the Giants suck are irrelevant when you look at the rest of the division. Two teams are playing backup QBs the rest of the way and the other team is more injured than the Giants with roster holes outside of the injuries. Anyone can win this division. I think Philly wins it because they have a good staff/QB, but any team in the division can take it despite how shitty they’ve been to date.
In comment 15015212 Go Terps said:
[quote] it's really stupid to draft a QB two years in a row... [/quote
Serious question because I don’t remember but were you this dead set against Jones last season? Was your mind made up by this past offseason?
My timeline with Jones was this:
1. Saw the Pro Days, I thought Jones was clearly the best non-Murray QB
2. Once Eli's bonus was paid, I said drafting a quarterback was stupid and made absolutely no sense
3. Some relief when it was Jones and not Haskins, but of course Gettleman fucked up resource allocation again; we ended up paying Eli $23M for 4 starts
4. I was encouraged early by Jones's play, and grew more and more concerned as the year went
5. This season my concern has grown into dread that we're tying any aspect of our future to him
It's all based on his play. He's got major flaws that aren't the kind of thing you coach out of a guy very often.
Man bro you still on that blue pill. So what i say will go over year head like a chicken non believing we eating them but....Gentlemen sure as hell didnt sign Eli that was Mara decision and 2 Jones was chosen by the Manning family, its why Peyton and Eli was practicing at Duke every offseason....you dont see them going to any other colleges
Dak gone is only reason we have a chance, which is a win win for Gianrs. He will get a huge contract to eat there salary plus we shouldnt have to worry about them
me too of course the guy i am playing has drake..
I have murray and hopkins down 5
McAdoo rode a high priced defensive shopping spree and a career year from Beckham (until the playoffs) to 11 wins. He did a decent job that year. He also completely changed by year 2, proved himself to be a total clown and subsequently oversaw a locker room revolt/meltdown.
He was probably slightly better than Shurmur (that aint saying much) but much more of a douche.
His Patrick Mahomes "wisdom" hasn't lead to any other significant job since we canned him.
2017 was the perfect storm for failure - Eli was hitting the wall and we were overcome with injuries - Beckham, Marshall, Pugh, Westburg, etc - that significantly impacted the majority of the year.
Hell, our year ended with Shepherd and Roger Lewis as our leading WRs. So any momentum from 2016 was quickly cut short.
Thanks, I’ll be here all week. Try the veal.
Nah, not fed....he wants to play for the Steelers now. Claims, "not happy" and "need new environment".
Gallup is the goods tho. He’s gonna be a long-term headache.
To be fair to Parry, that does sound like something McCarthy would try and do...
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me too of course the guy i am playing has drake..
I have murray and hopkins down 5
I have both QB’s my opponent has Hopkins. Super Flex league, 0.5 PPR, 1 point per 10 yards rushing or receiving, 4 points for QB passing TD, 6 points for any other TD. Currently I am leading by 3.7 points.
You’re back baby!!!!
Cardinals deserve credit for moving off Rosen. Their offense is so much better.
Cardinals deserve credit for moving off Rosen. Their offense is so much better.
shhh.. the NFL is a quick rebuild league.. but we don't want the Giants front office to hear it.
Wait - wasn't it said earlier that if Dalton played here - he'd be 3-3?? Let's see if he lasts 6 games with Dallas and what his record is there
Kyler is one of those dudes who. just as you think, man, he’s inaccurate blah blah, he just explodes.
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it's really stupid to draft a QB two years in a row...
Wait - wasn't it said earlier that if Dalton played here - he'd be 3-3?? Let's see if he lasts 6 games with Dallas and what his record is there
Our QB play has been so abysmal that yeah, an average vet would be a big improvement.
I actually think you may be right. The division is a complete abomination.
[quote] it's really stupid to draft a QB two years in a row... [/quote
Serious question because I don’t remember but were you this dead set against Jones last season? Was your mind made up by this past offseason?
Cardinals deserve credit for moving off Rosen. Their offense is so much better.
They are very good. Unfortunately for them, they play in the best division in the NFL and may miss the playoffs with 9 or even 10 wins...despite the playoff expansion.
Steve Kiam deserves a lot of credit taking a chance with Kliff Kinsbury; and then the courage to draft Murray right after Rosen.
[quote] it's really stupid to draft a QB two years in a row... [/quote
Serious question because I don’t remember but were you this dead set against Jones last season? Was your mind made up by this past offseason?
My timeline with Jones was this:
1. Saw the Pro Days, I thought Jones was clearly the best non-Murray QB
2. Once Eli's bonus was paid, I said drafting a quarterback was stupid and made absolutely no sense
3. Some relief when it was Jones and not Haskins, but of course Gettleman fucked up resource allocation again; we ended up paying Eli $23M for 4 starts
4. I was encouraged early by Jones's play, and grew more and more concerned as the year went
5. This season my concern has grown into dread that we're tying any aspect of our future to him
It's all based on his play. He's got major flaws that aren't the kind of thing you coach out of a guy very often.
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In comment 15015095 Zeke's Alibi said:
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an all pro defense in an overspend by the GM was his ass on the coals. Sure that produced results for a year, but is a big reason we found ourselves where we are. Robbed Peter to pay Paul.
Look, McAdoo is an easy target. I get it.
But someone has to get credit for our last playoff year. And he was smart enough to know Eli was done and we needed to look to the future (i.e. Mahomes).
Unfortunately for McAdoo, he paid the ultimate price for those truths because no one above him wanted to hear them.
McAdoo rode a high priced defensive shopping spree and a career year from Beckham (until the playoffs) to 11 wins. He did a decent job that year. He also completely changed by year 2, proved himself to be a total clown and subsequently oversaw a locker room revolt/meltdown.
He was probably slightly better than Shurmur (that aint saying much) but much more of a douche.
His Patrick Mahomes "wisdom" hasn't lead to any other significant job since we canned him.
I don’t think McAdoo was a misunderstood genius by any measure— he clearly did a terrible job of leading, commanding respect, and holding the locker room together.
BUT I also don’t really buy the whole “rode a defensive shopping spree to the playoffs” narrative I always read on here. If all we had to do was empty the bank and buy a shiny new defense to become a playoff team again why haven’t we done that? Didn’t we have like $90M in cap room this past offseason? Wasn’t 2020 supposed to be “the year” where all our cap space was cleared to build an actual team? That cap $ ran out quick (although I like the signings we made) and it certainly hasn’t translated into a nice platinum one-hit wonder defense that Judge can sit back and ride to an easy 10-6 record.
I still think things fell apart incredibly fast in 2017. It felt at first like we were catching some bad breaks here and there and we stacked a few close one score losses... and everyone was freaking out and calling to clean house (including the media) and the players weren’t mentally strong enough to keep it out of their locker room. Mistrust was sewed so quickly and McAdoo didn’t have the balls to grab control of the whole thing and next thing we knew a few fireworks here and there turned into a full on dumpster fire out of nowhere. In retrospect it really was pretty amazing how quick everyone was to call 2016 a fluke and blow the whole thing up. It’s been 4 years and we haven’t sniffed a .500 season since.
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There’s really no excuse not to win it. For as bad as the Giants have been the rest of the division is just as bad. Who wants it the most?
I actually think you may be right. The division is a complete abomination.
All of the excuses people make for why the Giants suck are irrelevant when you look at the rest of the division. Two teams are playing backup QBs the rest of the way and the other team is more injured than the Giants with roster holes outside of the injuries. Anyone can win this division. I think Philly wins it because they have a good staff/QB, but any team in the division can take it despite how shitty they’ve been to date.
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In comment 15015212 Go Terps said:
[quote] it's really stupid to draft a QB two years in a row... [/quote
Serious question because I don’t remember but were you this dead set against Jones last season? Was your mind made up by this past offseason?
My timeline with Jones was this:
1. Saw the Pro Days, I thought Jones was clearly the best non-Murray QB
2. Once Eli's bonus was paid, I said drafting a quarterback was stupid and made absolutely no sense
3. Some relief when it was Jones and not Haskins, but of course Gettleman fucked up resource allocation again; we ended up paying Eli $23M for 4 starts
4. I was encouraged early by Jones's play, and grew more and more concerned as the year went
5. This season my concern has grown into dread that we're tying any aspect of our future to him
It's all based on his play. He's got major flaws that aren't the kind of thing you coach out of a guy very often.
Man bro you still on that blue pill. So what i say will go over year head like a chicken non believing we eating them but....Gentlemen sure as hell didnt sign Eli that was Mara decision and 2 Jones was chosen by the Manning family, its why Peyton and Eli was practicing at Duke every offseason....you dont see them going to any other colleges
Of course, only on BBI is he looked at as an upgrade.
Dak gone is only reason we have a chance, which is a win win for Gianrs. He will get a huge contract to eat there salary plus we shouldnt have to worry about them
Of course, only on BBI is he looked at as an upgrade.
You won that one. Dalton looks like shit.