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Number 2 overall pick hypothetical

chopperhatch : 10/19/2020 9:06 pm
While I have some concern over Thomas' production, he looks good on plenty of plays. He seems very adept at ushering the rusher behind the QB and keeping him there so long as Jones doesnt move outside too quickly. He also seems very competent in the run game. But he is a rookie who is adjusting to a pro game after practically no offseason.

Conversely, Matt Peart has progressed far quicker than any of us expected. He looks mammoth and athletic so far. He has reach and footwork that is in the top percentile of LTs. I actually think he looks more like the LT of the future and Thomas a very fine RT.

Question is, if we get the 2nd overall, do you without question take the so-called "generational talent" (hate that phrase) in Penei Sewell with one of Thomas and Paert being relegated to the bench? Or do we go defense and try and get a playmaker like Micah Parsons or Greg Rousseau?

Im leaning towards the latter honestly. While its nice to have a Joe Thomas or Orlando Pace on your team, I have not heard Sewell compared to that. In fact, I have heard several analysts thinking of him like Wirfs...more suited to an ass kicker at Guard.

On the other hand, Pasons and Rousseau both have opted out. Ive heard Rousseau compared to Luke Kuechly (I know) or Anthony Barr and Parsons compared to Arik Armstead. We need playmakers on D at the 2nd level but we also need a pass rushing beast. I feel as though D is the way to go and I would lean towards a guy like Parsons whose brain and athleticism could have a Jaylon Smith like effect on the D (he was everywhere against us).

What say you?
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You take Sewell.  
FStubbs : 10/19/2020 9:07 pm : link
One of the three goes to guard and hopefully we have 3/5 of a dominant offensive line.
You take Sewell  
Mike in NY : 10/19/2020 9:10 pm : link
If all are great you move one to OG
you decide  
Producer : 10/19/2020 9:12 pm : link
first if one of the remaining QBs is much better than what you've got. If so, you take the QB. If not, take Sewell or trade the pick for a haul.
RE: You take Sewell.  
chopperhatch : 10/19/2020 9:15 pm : link
In comment 15015157 FStubbs said:
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One of the three goes to guard and hopefully we have 3/5 of a dominant offensive line.


This seems silly seeing as how neither Peart nor Thomas are built for Guard, have ayed there and have a higher trade valie as Tackles.
Trade Down  
DavidinBMNY : 10/19/2020 9:16 pm : link
If Lawrence is off the board, trade down for someone who wants a QB. Or take a QB if Jones doesn't evolve down the last 7 or 8 games.
You trade down like they should have in 2018  
BillT : 10/19/2020 9:18 pm : link
We’re still any number of players from respectability and multiple 1st round picks plus some others would be just what the doctor ordered.
I don't know much at the moment regarding the '21 draftees...  
jnoble : 10/19/2020 9:19 pm : link
...but I'm thinking we should take a WR with the first or second pick. I read this upcoming draft is going to be WR talent deep. DJ Wheels needs some better talent to get open and throw to.
Im taking  
ajr2456 : 10/19/2020 9:25 pm : link
Fields at #2.
RE: Im taking  
cjac : 10/19/2020 9:32 pm : link
In comment 15015200 ajr2456 said:
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Fields at #2.


Yeah I’m not sure you can pass on him.
RE: You trade down like they should have in 2018  
chopperhatch : 10/19/2020 9:32 pm : link
In comment 15015188 BillT said:
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We’re still any number of players from respectability and multiple 1st round picks plus some others would be just what the doctor ordered.


I am more on board with this over taking Sewell wjen we have Peart and Thomas. We need a playmaker at linebacker or EDGE. I really like the idea of Parsons honestly. I also think he is a safe pick coming from a school that produces strong LBs.
RE: Im taking  
Jay on the Island : 10/19/2020 9:34 pm : link
In comment 15015200 ajr2456 said:
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Fields at #2.

I would have to agree. Either that or trade down with the many teams that will be hot for Fields. The Giants could dictate where Fields plays while keeping him away from Washington.

RE: RE: Im taking  
chopperhatch : 10/19/2020 9:34 pm : link
In comment 15015219 cjac said:
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Fields at #2.



Yeah I’m not sure you can pass on him.


I dont think he has looked like a world beater at all despite a top squad around him
You either take Fields  
JoeyBigBlue : 10/19/2020 9:35 pm : link
If he impresses during the combine and interviews. If not you trade down.
Ja'Marr Chase is someone I could see the Giants taking  
ghost718 : 10/19/2020 9:35 pm : link
If Judge is in the War Room with his Robe and Gavel,than maybe not.

Just have to prey he has some mental toughness
Trade down  
LBH15 : 10/19/2020 9:37 pm : link
One of these years the Giants will get it right.
if it's  
Producer : 10/19/2020 9:38 pm : link
Gettleman making the pick it has to be someone playing in the Senior Bowl. The Senior Bowl is like a Cliff's Notes to the draft and you really don't have to do that much scouting and analysis as long as you watch that game.
RE: if it's  
Jay on the Island : 10/19/2020 9:43 pm : link
In comment 15015233 Producer said:
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Gettleman making the pick it has to be someone playing in the Senior Bowl. The Senior Bowl is like a Cliff's Notes to the draft and you really don't have to do that much scouting and analysis as long as you watch that game.

Weird comment being that the Giants used four picks on players who played in the Senior Bowl (Matt Peart, Darnay Holmes, Carter Coughlin, and TJ Brunson) and two were 7th round picks.
RE: RE: if it's  
Producer : 10/19/2020 9:50 pm : link
In comment 15015237 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 15015233 Producer said:


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Gettleman making the pick it has to be someone playing in the Senior Bowl. The Senior Bowl is like a Cliff's Notes to the draft and you really don't have to do that much scouting and analysis as long as you watch that game.


Weird comment being that the Giants used four picks on players who played in the Senior Bowl (Matt Peart, Darnay Holmes, Carter Coughlin, and TJ Brunson) and two were 7th round picks.


errr.. how about Daniel Jones, Will Hernandez, Deandre baker and others..
Hoping there's a stud pass rusher  
David B. : 10/19/2020 9:55 pm : link
in the top 3-5.
RE: RE: if it's  
chopperhatch : 10/19/2020 9:57 pm : link
In comment 15015237 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 15015233 Producer said:


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Gettleman making the pick it has to be someone playing in the Senior Bowl. The Senior Bowl is like a Cliff's Notes to the draft and you really don't have to do that much scouting and analysis as long as you watch that game.


Weird comment being that the Giants used four picks on players who played in the Senior Bowl (Matt Peart, Darnay Holmes, Carter Coughlin, and TJ Brunson) and two were 7th round picks.


It's Producer....he produces nothing but shitty uninformed posts on a daily basis.
RE: Hoping there's a stud pass rusher  
chopperhatch : 10/19/2020 9:59 pm : link
In comment 15015244 David B. said:
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in the top 3-5.


Yea, I dunno. Having smart, demon in the middle field is nice too. Kuechly, Patrick Willis, Bobby Wagner...those guys changed their defenses dramatically.
RE: Im taking  
TommyWiseau : 10/19/2020 9:59 pm : link
In comment 15015200 ajr2456 said:
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Fields at #2.


That's mighty tempting
I'm looking pass rusher  
JonC : 10/19/2020 10:06 pm : link
the biggest hole on the team.
There are 11 games left.  
section125 : 10/19/2020 10:10 pm : link
Let us hope Jones improves or gets his mojo back. If he does not, it might be time to move on. Other than that I'd be looking best ER or the best WR in the draft;

Disclaimer - you take the best player
RE: I'm looking pass rusher  
crooza172 : 10/19/2020 10:15 pm : link
In comment 15015263 JonC said:
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the biggest hole on the team.


You are nuts. The biggest hole on this team is every offensive line position.
RE: I'm looking pass rusher  
Sean : 10/19/2020 10:18 pm : link
In comment 15015263 JonC said:
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the biggest hole on the team.


Don’t reach for need.
Jamar chase  
Bleedblue10 : 10/19/2020 10:18 pm : link
I think we have are two tackles on the roster and we need a game changer who can help our QB look like we’ll a QB
Fire Gettleman  
Metnut : 10/19/2020 10:21 pm : link
and either take a QB or trade down.
Rooting for OL at #2 overall  
JonC : 10/19/2020 10:22 pm : link
you're bound to get your heart broken. You got your top 5 OL last Spring.

I won't reach for need, I'm looking ER but not inflexible.

Some of you dudes need to find something else to do once in awhile besides try to parse every word you read.
Trade down and take Rousseau  
Saquads26 : 10/19/2020 10:27 pm : link
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That wasn’t directed at you Jon..  
Sean : 10/19/2020 10:28 pm : link
Just more of a general observation that the Giants have reacted to “need” too much in the past 5 plus years. As you often say, this team needs elite talent.
More likely scenario  
Breeze_94 : 10/19/2020 10:34 pm : link
1. Jets- Lawrence (unless he goes back to Clemson which would be hilarious)
2. WFT- Sewell

Giants probably miss out on those 2 guys and the options are

QB Fields/Lance
WR Chase/Waddle
EDGE Patrick Jones (Pitt)
LB Michah Parsons
CB Surtain
Trade down
Trade down  
uconngiant : 10/19/2020 10:43 pm : link
No on Offensive lineman this high again.
I prefer the Wide Receiver Chase from LSU or Parsons the Linebacker from Penn St. Either one would help.

If they trade down then Greg Rouseau from Miami at defensive end and a player like Wr. DeVonte Smith from Alabama
Non-hypothetically, I'd wait until the end of the  
CT Charlie : 10/19/2020 10:48 pm : link
season to answer this.
RE: RE: Hoping there's a stud pass rusher  
LauderdaleMatty : 10/19/2020 10:49 pm : link
In comment 15015251 chopperhatch said:
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in the top 3-5.



Yea, I dunno. Having smart, demon in the middle field is nice too. Kuechly, Patrick Willis, Bobby Wagner...those guys changed their defenses dramatically.


Giants could have taken Wagner. They don’t value LB now even though you need them despite their draft stupidity being shown Over and over.
....  
ryanmkeane : 10/19/2020 11:10 pm : link
For the 700th time, we are not drafting a quarterback
...  
ryanmkeane : 10/19/2020 11:13 pm : link
you guys need to start rooting for another team if you think we can’t pass up Justin Fields or Trey Lance in the NFL draft.

We aren’t drafting a quarterback. Let me repeat, we aren’t drafting a quarterback. You guys are wasting your own senseless breath with these threads.
Someone has to want to trade up  
theold5j : 10/19/2020 11:22 pm : link
For you to trade down. Its not always as easy as saying "just trade down"
RE: ...  
Producer : 10/19/2020 11:23 pm : link
In comment 15015339 ryanmkeane said:
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you guys need to start rooting for another team if you think we can’t pass up Justin Fields or Trey Lance in the NFL draft.

We aren’t drafting a quarterback. Let me repeat, we aren’t drafting a quarterback. You guys are wasting your own senseless breath with these threads.


if Danny Boy doesn't whip his ass into shape, we certainly might.
This is an organization that drafts on need  
Go Terps : 10/19/2020 11:44 pm : link
The smart bet would be on an edge rusher, with wide receiver also a possibility. Perceive need, fill need. That's what this organization does.

The right move at 2 would be Sewell.
RE: I'm looking pass rusher  
chopperhatch : 10/20/2020 12:05 am : link
In comment 15015263 JonC said:
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the biggest hole on the team.


I hear ya Jon, but Rousseau doesnt sound like a pass rushing demon. You dont think we need a 2nd level guy who can QB shifts and anticipate crossing patterns?

I dont know much aboyt Rousseau, if he was like JPP I would be all for it. But it doesnt sound like he is that.
RE: This is an organization that drafts on need  
chopperhatch : 10/20/2020 12:09 am : link
In comment 15015357 Go Terps said:
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The smart bet would be on an edge rusher, with wide receiver also a possibility. Perceive need, fill need. That's what this organization does.

The right move at 2 would be Sewell.


Why? What do you see in him that is so special? He is not Joe Thomas, Walter Jones or Pace. Many think he might disappoint at Tackle and that he is more Steve Hutchinson. What iif we already have our starters at Tackle?

I would argue that our bigger problem is the middle of the field on 3rd down.
RE: Hoping there's a stud pass rusher  
Daniel in MI : 10/20/2020 12:15 am : link
tops my wish list, too

In comment 15015244 David B. said:
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in the top 3-5.
If we have the #1 overall pick  
allstarjim : 10/20/2020 12:15 am : link
Which isn't put of the question, you bet your ass we're drafting a QB.

That said, if we're at #2, I do favor a trade down generally.

Quick thought on Fields, I'm skeptical based on what I've seen, however I need to see him a lot more than I have. Lance to me is not a consideration in the top 10 at all.

Now, edge makes a lot of sense, as does Ja'Marr Chase, who is an elite WR prospect.

Personally I like what they are getting from the defense right now, but the lack of offensive weapons on this team isn't going to work in today's NFL. They need guys that threaten a defense, Chase would really fit the bill.


Although Terps, looking back,  
chopperhatch : 10/20/2020 12:15 am : link
You're not wrong. I guess Kiwi was the last time we really didnt draft based on need.
RE: If we have the #1 overall pick  
chopperhatch : 10/20/2020 12:17 am : link
In comment 15015371 allstarjim said:
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Which isn't put of the question, you bet your ass we're drafting a QB.

That said, if we're at #2, I do favor a trade down generally.

Quick thought on Fields, I'm skeptical based on what I've seen, however I need to see him a lot more than I have. Lance to me is not a consideration in the top 10 at all.

Now, edge makes a lot of sense, as does Ja'Marr Chase, who is an elite WR prospect.

Personally I like what they are getting from the defense right now, but the lack of offensive weapons on this team isn't going to work in today's NFL. They need guys that threaten a defense, Chase would really fit the bill.



Have heard a ton about Chase....havent watched much of him to be honest. Wouldnt have a problem with him either if he is a true 1 to pair with Slayton. Just apprehensive about a WR that high.
Pretty sure  
nyballa0891 : 10/20/2020 1:15 am : link

You mixed up your rousseau and parsons comps
RE: Pretty sure  
chopperhatch : 10/20/2020 1:49 am : link
In comment 15015392 nyballa0891 said:
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You mixed up your rousseau and parsons comps



Ummm, no, I didnt. Roussaeu is 6'5 265 and plays with his hand in the dirt. Parsons is 6'3 245 and is a LB all the way.
I’m not saying take him  
MtDizzle : 10/20/2020 1:52 am : link
2nd overall but I would love Quincy Roche on this team.
What is wrong with you people  
Prude : 10/20/2020 3:41 am : link
We are 1 game out of 1st with 10 games to go. Really soft schedule coming up and you are daydreaming about being the second worst team in the league???

How the fuck do you think losing out the next 10 games is preferable to playing a meaningful game in november? It's nauseating watching you assholes hoping we lose every game because you think it might help our draft position.

Consistently good teans pick low consistently and consistently bad teams pick high consistently. You assholes have been crying about last years win over Washington because of Chase Young and he was invisible yesterday. He was shut down by our 3rd round pick. Let's try to win some ganes, lets try to win the division. Aiming for the consolation prize is just fucking sad and pathetic.
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