ESPN blurb on NYG GM situation-

the "Giants Way" which is clearly not working at this point.

The interesting thing here is what kind of connections would Joe Judge, who's previous roles include positional coach and ST coordinator, have with any potential GMs out there?

My guess is very little - which actually might be a good thing.

and I think he can be the guy for NYG for a long time. I would rather we get him a GM that aligns with his philosophy instead of just hiring a new GM who thinks he can fix this team and starting over again.

We're a bad team, but we're building a core. I'd like to see that continue.

As potential GMs, if Gettleman is gone and assuming Mara doesn’t shrivel up and hand the job to Abrams.

I think the ownership is going to go all in on Judge and give him “his” guy in the GM seat. Both Caserio and Ossentfort have the New England connection, and there may be others out there as well. The Giants are going to run through Judge.

so-called Giants Way is outdated. The question is, how long do we have to wait for them to catch up to the times. Will it be a year or two, or a generation?

Gettleman at his age and health, was not long in the tooth for the job anyway. Once Gettleman is gone, I would certainly want the Giants keeping Judge (from what I have seen so far). The Giants really need some stability in the coaching staff, rather than having a revolving door in coaches every two years.

Then Abrams is the last guy you want as GM. Having an outsider come in and make necessary hard calls objectively about this roster, including Jones, is a must.

In comment 15015594 Producer said:

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so-called Giants Way is outdated. The question is, how long do we have to wait for them to catch up to the times. Will it be a year or two, or a generation?

Until it's proven otherwise it's fool me once, fool me twice.

is trying to be the Patriots.

Also given Judge's preference to work with people he knows, I think a Pats front office exec is the most likely option by a lot.

and let the GM pick the coach. However, as Judge is now here and is not going anywhere, the Giants should allow him to pick the GM. It seems like the only way forward. Segregating the two positions and not treating coach/gm as a package deal has been part of the organization's problem ever since Reese was retained when Coughlin was let go.

In comment 15015613 AdamBrag said:

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is trying to be the Patriots. Also given Judge's preference to work with people he knows, I think a Pats front office exec is the most likely option by a lot.

Not at all. The patriots had a GM in title but he works in concert with Bill .- Bill B makes most of the personnel calls there

In comment 15015597 The_Boss said:

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Then Abrams is the last guy you want as GM. Having an outsider come in and make necessary hard calls objectively about this roster, including Jones, is a must.

If Judge is clear that Daniel Jones is his QB absent Trevor Lawrence being there then what does it matter? I want a GM to assemble the roster that Judge feels he needs to succeed, rather than forcing round pegs into square holes because they happen to be BPA. Notice how the drafting improved substantially from late Fassel tenure to early Coughlin tenure when you finally had a coach who knew what he wanted and the staf got those types of players. In Buffalo, at least the first draft which got players like Tredavious White was from holdover scouts who said that the coach/GM had a clear vision of the type of player they wanted and they knew which players fit that mold.

He knows judge with the New England connection. The two could work well together. Young up-and-comer.

Although I can’t help but feel it’s just a matter of time until Kevin Abrams is promoted.
Ziegler - ( New Window )

In comment 15015645 Vin_Cuccs said:

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He knows judge with the New England connection. The two could work well together. Young up-and-comer. Although I can’t help but feel it’s just a matter of time until Kevin Abrams is promoted. Ziegler - ( New Window )

Only an organization this screwed up would think anyone in the front office deserves a promotion.

Giants are not hiring an outside GM..

But it will likely be Abrams as a figure head. Would be pleasantly surprised if it was someone outside the organization, but not expecting anything other than the Giants way at this point.

In comment 15015747 lax counsel said:

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But it will likely be Abrams as a figure head. Would be pleasantly surprised if it was someone outside the organization, but not expecting anything other than the Giants way at this point.

The reality is that as long as John Mara picks the GM and the head coach, the likelihood of success is basically nil. He should recognize his incompetence, step aside, and let Judge take a crack and hiring the personnel guy. But unfortunately people are funny about not recognizing their own incompetence. Despite everything that has happened since 2011, I am willing to bet that John Mara looks in the mirror every morning and sees a guy he thinks is responsible for 2 Super Bowls in the last 13 years.

makes a ton of sense. The coach has an outline of what he wants to accomplish on the field, and the GM should be working to get him the pieces to execute that. Having a GM pick players and then having a coach try and figure out how to use them is archaic.

I also like the idea of Judge having strong influence on the GM selection. The fate of the coach and GM should be tied together, rather than having a GM come in and have to live with a coach he wouldn't have hired or isn't his guy.

It simply can't be Abrams because as said above, nobody in this front office should be getting a promotion give the on-field results the last several years.

coaches and GM for AT LEAST one year too long.

Thus, if Judge somehow gets the arrow pointing up by the end of the year, DG won't be fired/retiring. But if the Giants continue on the path they seem to be on, and end up with another top 5 pick, DG will still be here in 2021. Because THAT is The Giants way. They'll suck again, and he'll retire in 2022.

leads me to fully expect DG to be retained, or is moved out while Abrams is promoted to GM, and they collectively agree to double down on Jones.

to be the worst division in the the history of the NFL, is that enough for Gettleman to stay in his seat?

Knowing Mara - absolutely.

Gets my vote.

Well, Bob Quinn could very well be out as GM of DET. He's had such amazing success there, we should hire him pronto.

not working at all... the train wreck known as the Jets.

In comment 15015974 shockeyisthebest8056 said:

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not working at all... the train wreck known as the Jets.

Think that has more to do with Gase than the process of HC first, GM second.

Garbage in, garbage out

In comment 15015884 bw in dc said:

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to be the worst division in the the history of the NFL, is that enough for Gettleman to stay in his seat? Knowing Mara - absolutely.

Yeah. Even if somehow the Giants won the division at 5-11, Mara would say "I can't fire a GM who delivered a playoff home game in New York."

Why are they moving on from him?

And if asked, Judge gives them positives about him working fine with Abrams then that will seal the deal.

Question is will Judge be asked and does he have enough inside to speak his mind if he feels otherwise.

to the franchise. They took a chance on him as an unproven 38 year old special teams coach. Judge won't be making any demands quite yet - let's see how the season plays out first.

If we finish well - DG likely stays.

is how the NFL has been trending for a while. With the Pats' success, teams have tried to model that. Seattle with Pete Carroll, SF with Kyle Shanahan (even though Lynch was hired first, it was pretty common knowledge that Shanahan approved Lynch's hiring), LAR with McVay.

Coaches have their own plan on how to build a team, and HC and GM have to be on the same page. Judge isn't going anywhere - he has a 5-year deal, and he's shown a command of game management - so he should and will have lot of say in who the next GM is.

See Ceasario and Wolf as options given the Mara-Belichick mutual admiration

but I don't think he should be picking our new GM, assuming we're even in a situation to hire one this offseason (which is far from a sure thing).

I think he should be consulted, if only to make sure ownership knows the GM and the HC will be relationally compatible, and on the same page as far as what this team should be, but ownership should have the final decision on this.

Go with the cat named Spytek.

Go full Patriots. 😈

In comment 15015747 lax counsel said:

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But it will likely be Abrams as a figure head. Would be pleasantly surprised if it was someone outside the organization, but not expecting anything other than the Giants way at this point.

I would be okay with Abrams as the financial guy as his primary function with Judge having more say on player personnel.

But I really like the idea of the Titans guy, Monti Ossenfort or whatever. That Titans roster is built the way youre supposed to.

In comment 15015884 bw in dc said:

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to be the worst division in the the history of the NFL, is that enough for Gettleman to stay in his seat? Knowing Mara - absolutely.

I’m no DG fan, but if they win the division, he should stay

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In comment 15015884 bw in dc said: Quote: to be the worst division in the the history of the NFL, is that enough for Gettleman to stay in his seat? Knowing Mara - absolutely. I’m no DG fan, but if they win the division, he should stay

Forget what Mara will do, because I think that's obvious, but if we go 6-10 and "win" the division - it's very laughable even writing that, btw - you are really comfortable keeping DG in the role?

in 5 tries should mean nothing when having this discussion.

And weren’t many of you convinced that Chris mara was going to be hired as the GM before DG was?

Judge wasn’t on anyone’s radar here. Not one. Yet here we discussing the next potential GM and many here are certain it’s gonna be an in-house, uninspiring hire or worse yet, a nepotistic hire like Chris mara.

Even better is the take that DG unfortunately and incredulously keeps his job even if the giants win the East. Man what a shame that would be.

Another brilliantly shitty thread thanks to the same cynical and miserable posts. There are a few good insightful comments in here, thankfully.

In comment 15016372 bw in dc said:

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In comment 15016370 ron mexico said: Quote: In comment 15015884 bw in dc said: Quote: to be the worst division in the the history of the NFL, is that enough for Gettleman to stay in his seat? Knowing Mara - absolutely. I’m no DG fan, but if they win the division, he should stay Forget what Mara will do, because I think that's obvious, but if we go 6-10 and "win" the division - it's very laughable even writing that, btw - you are really comfortable keeping DG in the role?

It’s mathematically very difficult to win the division at 6-10, but if they they do I’m fine with him sticking around.

of the GM. So presumably 10 of them in a season aren’t either.

So using that view, I would guess Mara and fmic would say he should stay.

the Eagles, I would have a little Bon Voyage party for Gettleman on Friday afternoon in the front office.

can come back.