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Tua to start for Miami

Banks : 10/20/2020 11:45 am
Kinda surprised given the way they've been playing
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hard to sit Fitz given their record  
UConn4523 : 10/20/2020 11:49 am : link
but they probably want to see what they have in Tua ASAP to see if they will need to pull an Arizona.
it had been rumored all year  
KDavies : 10/20/2020 11:54 am : link
that they were waiting until after their bye. They have their bye this week.
I've been impressed with Flores from the start at Miami.  
Tom in NY : 10/20/2020 11:55 am : link
So I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt, but my natural question would be "How do you tell the team you are playing to win, given Fitzpatrick's performances these last few weeks?"
They have a plan for the future  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/20/2020 11:55 am : link
and it's not Fitz. Definitely a risky move as Tua will have growing pains.
they probably want to commit to the run and less volatile offense  
UConn4523 : 10/20/2020 11:59 am : link
the Fitz turnovers are coming, they always do.
Fitz projected to have  
widmerseyebrow : 10/20/2020 11:59 am : link
4093 yards, 27 TDs and 19 INTs on 70% completions. Pretty ballsy. It could backfire if it turns out Tua needed more time to watch when they had a perfectly good veteran to play in the meantime.
I remember when Fitzpatrick was drafted  
widmerseyebrow : 10/20/2020 12:01 pm : link
He's carved out about as good of a career as a guy could have without being a star.
Agreed on it being  
Everyone Relax : 10/20/2020 12:03 pm : link
ballsy, but haven't we seen this Fitz before? Plays well to start the year then goes on an INT spree. Maybe Flores is getting ahead of that
this was always the plan  
KDavies : 10/20/2020 12:07 pm : link
Fitzpatrick is an up and down 38 year old QB. They didn't draft a QB at #5 to have him backup an aging journeyman.
RE: I've been impressed with Flores from the start at Miami.  
81_Great_Dane : 10/20/2020 12:11 pm : link
In comment 15015761 Tom in NY said:
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So I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt, but my natural question would be "How do you tell the team you are playing to win, given Fitzpatrick's performances these last few weeks?"
The goal is to win a title. Fitzpatrick's a placeholder. He's a good placeholder, but he's not going to be the starter for the next 10 years. Tua might be. You put the next building block in place and see if it's solid.
This is really smart  
cjac : 10/20/2020 12:16 pm : link
everyone knows that Fitz was going to eventually hit the wall. it happens to him every year
this isn't something just dropped on the team  
UConn4523 : 10/20/2020 12:18 pm : link
the entire franchise knew the plan, and now that plan is being executed.

The fans may grumble, but they weren't going on a big playoff run with Fitz anyway so they will have a short memory on it.

This is a really good decision.
RE: hard to sit Fitz given their record  
giants#1 : 10/20/2020 12:21 pm : link
In comment 15015743 UConn4523 said:
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but they probably want to see what they have in Tua ASAP to see if they will need to pull an Arizona.


They won't have the chance. No way the Jets are getting 3 wins...
Had to happen sooner or later  
weeg in the bronx : 10/20/2020 12:22 pm : link
Any trade value for Fitz? Cowboys?
I doubt the fans  
giants#1 : 10/20/2020 12:25 pm : link
or the rest of the Dolphins players are upset about this. Everyone knows what Fitz is capable of at this point and if Tua hasn't at least shown more talent than that in practice, then it was a bad selection.

Just because he's a rookie and will have growing pains, doesn't mean he doesn't give them a better chance to win, especially with his talent. It could open up a lot with the offense.
RE: hard to sit Fitz given their record  
santacruzom : 10/20/2020 12:29 pm : link
In comment 15015743 UConn4523 said:
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but they probably want to see what they have in Tua ASAP to see if they will need to pull an Arizona.


Would they even have an opportunity to pull an Arizona? I think they're too good to count on having an opportunity to draft a top QB.
RE: this isn't something just dropped on the team  
Ivan15 : 10/20/2020 12:32 pm : link
In comment 15015801 UConn4523 said:
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the entire franchise knew the plan, and now that plan is being executed.

The fans may grumble, but they weren't going on a big playoff run with Fitz anyway so they will have a short memory on it.

This is a really good decision.


Disagree. They were on a playoff run if the Pats continue to struggle. Risk of switching QBs is losing the team, most of whom just want to win. If Tua is great in practice and the team knows that he is the better QB for now and the future, then it will work. If not, this could be a spectacular crash.
Shades of 2004  
Dennis From Madison : 10/20/2020 12:34 pm : link
It is exactly what we did with Eli. They are planning on being a perennial title contender and are ready to let him take his lumps now.
This is about that time of year Fitz turns into a pumpkin anyway  
BH28 : 10/20/2020 12:35 pm : link
He's always had streaks of good play followed by streaks of poor play. Maddeningly inconsistent. But I guess consistency is what separates the greats from the averages.
Ivan  
UConn4523 : 10/20/2020 12:43 pm : link
so this is Fitz's year not to turn back into a pumpkin? Flores isn't losing that team over switching to Tua, they all knew the plan. He has a command of that team, IMO.
Figures...I pick up Fitz last week...he plays well for me  
GiantBlue : 10/20/2020 12:46 pm : link
and now I have to drop him. LOL.

Too bad someone already has Tua.

My starters this week will be Danny Dimes & Carr.
they are also 3-3, not 5-1  
UConn4523 : 10/20/2020 12:53 pm : link
and Fitz has thrown multiple INT's in 3 games already this season. Flores likely wants to control the clock and limit turnovers which is supposed to be what Tua excels at (11 Ints in over 600 attempts in college).

This really is a no brainer if he's 100% healthy.
Not like then can't switch back  
David B. : 10/20/2020 1:01 pm : link
if it doesn't work.
RE: RE: I've been impressed with Flores from the start at Miami.  
Tom in NY : 10/20/2020 1:04 pm : link
In comment 15015790 81_Great_Dane said:
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In comment 15015761 Tom in NY said:


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So I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt, but my natural question would be "How do you tell the team you are playing to win, given Fitzpatrick's performances these last few weeks?"

The goal is to win a title. Fitzpatrick's a placeholder. He's a good placeholder, but he's not going to be the starter for the next 10 years. Tua might be. You put the next building block in place and see if it's solid.


All true...for the BIG Picture/Long-Term. What do you tell the guys that won't be on that team after this season?

Again, I probably would make the change as well, but this is an issue for those players...they know how wel Fitz is playing right now.

BIGGER QUESTION: Would Miami trade Fitz to Dallas?
RE: hard to sit Fitz given their record  
ron mexico : 10/20/2020 1:10 pm : link
In comment 15015743 UConn4523 said:
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but they probably want to see what they have in Tua ASAP to see if they will need to pull an Arizona.


I really doubt this is their thinking. They have already played themselves out of a top draft pick. I bet they just think he is ready. Flores has been impressive and has earned my benefit of the doubt.
Knowing is knowing  
UConn4523 : 10/20/2020 1:20 pm : link
and the sooner they know about Tua the better, regardless of what their pick will be.

And while I don’t think it’s the #1 reason they are making this move it’s certainly a factor that will constantly live in the background. They are making the most because it was their plan the whole time and Fitz really hasn’t given them a reason to walk it back.
They have a great pan and they are sticking to it.  
Big Blue Blogger : 10/20/2020 3:27 pm : link
Good for them. 6-0 or 5-1 would be a reason to change course. 3-3, coming off a rout of the Jets, really isn’t.
They have a plan, not a pan.  
Big Blue Blogger : 10/20/2020 3:27 pm : link
Whatever.
RE: RE: hard to sit Fitz given their record  
Spider43 : 10/20/2020 7:05 pm : link
In comment 15015806 giants#1 said:
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In comment 15015743 UConn4523 said:


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but they probably want to see what they have in Tua ASAP to see if they will need to pull an Arizona.



They won't have the chance. No way the Jets are getting 3 wins...


Au contraire, mon corn fritter. They own the Texans first round pick this offseason. They'll have enough draft capital to move up, as need be.

Scuttlebutt is, they indeed are treating this like an audition. Ten games. Perhaps the hip is still wonky. Perhaps they can see something that gives them a better idea if Lawrence or even Fields might be a better option. Food for thought... the number five overall pick not even a year ago. A new day and age in the NFL. You may not get 3 years anymore.
Another smart move...  
trueblueinpw : 10/20/2020 7:37 pm : link
Of course start Tua. That’s why they drafted him. And if he gets nicked up or injured they can always bring in the leprechaun. Fitz was never anything more than a stop gap. Phins seem like they’re building something.
I love how because it happened once now it’s accepted  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/20/2020 7:49 pm : link
as complete norm that QBs can get jettisoned after a year


News flash- that only happened because Rosen is terrible and doesn’t have the right attitude to play in the NFL. Not saying he’s a bad dude, but I just don’t get the sense he wants it enough.

Combine that with a coach who had had a thing for Kyler since high school for his offense coming in year 1. Unusual set of circumstances.

Guys get 3 years to prove themselves because A - they are cheap and B - it’s about the time you get the answer whether they are making the jump from acceptable to good.
Main thing with Tua is health.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/20/2020 7:55 pm : link
Dude always seems to be banged up with something.
Is that much different than sitting Warner at 5-4  
Matt M. : 10/20/2020 8:37 pm : link
for a rookie Manning?
RE: Is that much different than sitting Warner at 5-4  
jpkmets : 10/21/2020 12:31 am : link
In comment 15016449 Matt M. said:
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for a rookie Manning?


Not at all.

Having a QB on his rookie deal is such an advantage. I think you want to install them as fast as you can. Also, you need to be completely sold by end of year 3 when you need to exercise the 5th year option. So I think the days of giving highly rated QBs a year to learn by watching are over.

I’m sure this was their plan from draft day if Tua’s hip was sound. A decent start under Fitz is no reason to deviate from that plan. He’s the future and I’m sure the Dolphins are thrilled that they got the good part if Fitz’ usually up and down year.

Fitz..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/21/2020 11:34 pm : link
is reportedly really upset about the benching. I get planning for the future, but in that division, the Dolphins could be in playoff contention well into the year.
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