I'm not advocating for the Giants to trade for a WR, so this isn't another thread about going after Michael Thomas.
However, if the Giants beat the Eagles convincingly on Thursday, and the front office becomes more confident that there is a chance to actually win the division, are there any WRs worth a trade, who won't cost the team an arm and a leg, that can help out our WR corps?
Now, "worth a trade" is separate from "available for trade," so let's only point out WRs that are both available and worthy of trade.
Also, how high of a draft pick would you trade?
Plus a million!
I agree with you. I would love to see Shepard show us that he can become a playmaker, but how likely is that, especially coming off injury? I would love receiver similar to Plaxico, but we know they don't grow on trees.
A guy like Will Fuller would be exactly what we need, but his cost will be too high and he's less reliable than Shepard.
I would not trade away any draft picks.
A guy like Will Fuller would be exactly what we need, but his cost will be too high and he's less reliable than Shepard.
I personally like Chris Conley from the Jags as a lowkey player. When given an opportunity, he's done decently. With Chark, Shenault, and Cole (and Westbrook), Conley seems to be the odd man out.
Oh man...why? Why must you, Terp...lol?
I would not trade away any draft picks.
I'd trade late round picks for any player of value. But overall I agree, just like last year (lol).
Giants should be sellers if anyone on the team is attractive to other teams (which I doubt) - Engram, Peppers, Fleming, Tate, maybe more.
John Ross supposedly asked CIN to trade him since he isn't playing, I'd be open to something like that if you can get the guy for a conditional future 7th based on whether or not he sticks on the roster into next year. Basically a tryout deal for the rest of the season.
Gotta think there are a few young guys like that out there that you can get for practically nothing. Not that it's worked out well, but similar to Yiadom.
well, every team passed on Metcalf. NKeal is a bust.
Yes because the Thorpe Award winner was a bad choice for a team needing a CB.
Best DB in college football - but yeah
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Gettleman drafted DeAndre Baker over Deebo Samuel, NKeal Harry, AJ Brown, and DK Metcalf.
Yes because the Thorpe Award winner was a bad choice for a team needing a CB.
I wasn't opposed to the pick at the time, but I also wasn't in the interview room, nor am I plugged in to scouts around the league. They should have been able to identify Baker as a scumbag. They failed.
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the Thorpe Award!
Best DB in college football - but yeah
and it means dick in the NFL. Were you at all impressed by Baker last year?
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is pretty interesting. In theory they should cost the least, the problem is a lot of them are playing for contenders.
A guy like Will Fuller would be exactly what we need, but his cost will be too high and he's less reliable than Shepard.
I personally like Chris Conley from the Jags as a lowkey player. When given an opportunity, he's done decently. With Chark, Shenault, and Cole (and Westbrook), Conley seems to be the odd man out.
I would be all over Chris Conley as a free agent, but I'd hesitate to throw draft picks after him unless we reel off the next two wins in very convincing fashion. We're a questionable 2PT conversion try away from potentially being 0-6 right now; I don't think we're in a position to be flipping picks for FAs.
I get it, the division is shitty. But a shitty team winning a shitty division still has a pretty shitty chance of winning in the playoffs. Are you down to flip picks to bolster a 1-and-out playoff berth?
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Gettleman drafted DeAndre Baker over Deebo Samuel, NKeal Harry, AJ Brown, and DK Metcalf.
Yes because the Thorpe Award winner was a bad choice for a team needing a CB.
Picking him wasn't necessarily the problem. Trading up to pick him, with two other highly-graded CBs (not to mention, a few very good OL and WR prospects) still on the board... it's yet another example of DG's tunnel-vision when he identifies a player he likes.
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Gettleman drafted DeAndre Baker over Deebo Samuel, NKeal Harry, AJ Brown, and DK Metcalf.
Yes because the Thorpe Award winner was a bad choice for a team needing a CB.
I wasn't opposed to the pick at the time, but I also wasn't in the interview room, nor am I plugged in to scouts around the league. They should have been able to identify Baker as a scumbag. They failed.
LOL you are an absolute 🤡
OBJ is average 3.8 catches per game and 53 yds per game. We can find that from almost anyone
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In comment 15016214 Go Terps said:
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Gettleman drafted DeAndre Baker over Deebo Samuel, NKeal Harry, AJ Brown, and DK Metcalf.
Yes because the Thorpe Award winner was a bad choice for a team needing a CB.
I wasn't opposed to the pick at the time, but I also wasn't in the interview room, nor am I plugged in to scouts around the league. They should have been able to identify Baker as a scumbag. They failed.
LOL you are an absolute 🤡
Who were you before?
"if the Giants beat the Eagles convincingly on Thursday..."
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Gettleman drafted DeAndre Baker over Deebo Samuel, NKeal Harry, AJ Brown, and DK Metcalf.
Yes because the Thorpe Award winner was a bad choice for a team needing a CB.
The Giants need everything. Giving up 3 draft picks for Baker was the bad choice.
the ones the Giants are missing are a 5th and 7th.
So, what?
You seem to fret over not having a ton of picks. The Giants made 10 picks in the 2020 draft - and that includes losing a 3rd for Williams.
Having so many picks really did wonders.
In 2005 the Giants were rebuilding (though the team overall was much better than 2020) and made just 4 picks in the draft. Webster, Tuck and Jacobs were 3 of them.
it's quality, not quantity.
Stop fretting over missing a 5th and 7th round draft pick, they're not preventing this team from doing anything they want to do. They're barely even trade assets.
More is always better.
I'd consider trading our 5th and a future 7th for Corey Davis. I doubt that gets it done though. But Davis is a guy on my radar. He's a complementary type of receiver compared to the guys we have. A true outside guy. He was hyped big time in the draft and hasn't performed to his slot yet. This year seems like a break out for him. And the Titans declined his option so he's a free agent. I'd consider him in the off season if trading doesn't work out value wise.
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I'd consider trading our 5th and a future 7th for Corey Davis. I doubt that gets it done though. But Davis is a guy on my radar. He's a complementary type of receiver compared to the guys we have. A true outside guy. He was hyped big time in the draft and hasn't performed to his slot yet. This year seems like a break out for him. And the Titans declined his option so he's a free agent. I'd consider him in the off season if trading doesn't work out value wise.
Hard pass. Unbelievably soft for a guy his size and poor route runner. No way he turns the light bulb on.
More is always better.
More is not always better based on the alternative.
In a vacuum a 3rd for Leonard Williams is a fine trade. The odds of drafting a player equal or better than Leonard Williams in the 3rd is small. The other factors made that a terrible trade, but I would trade a 3rd all day for an established young player.
Once you leave the 3rd round, I'd trade all those picks for anyone of value and not bat an eye.
the data is out there, late round picks are probably less valuable than UDFAs in some cases because of the scholarship approach some GM's have to draft picks.
Anyway, I agree with the value of the top 3 rounds and I'd only part with a top 3 round pick sparingly if at all, after that the odds drop so dramatically even the best drafting teams are not likely landing starters in those rounds.
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More picks, more chances to find starters, more chances to upgrade depth, more chances to move around in draft as needed, more chances to take a flyer on a guy.
More is always better.
More is not always better based on the alternative.
In a vacuum a 3rd for Leonard Williams is a fine trade. The odds of drafting a player equal or better than Leonard Williams in the 3rd is small. The other factors made that a terrible trade, but I would trade a 3rd all day for an established young player.
Once you leave the 3rd round, I'd trade all those picks for anyone of value and not bat an eye.
the data is out there, late round picks are probably less valuable than UDFAs in some cases because of the scholarship approach some GM's have to draft picks.
Anyway, I agree with the value of the top 3 rounds and I'd only part with a top 3 round pick sparingly if at all, after that the odds drop so dramatically even the best drafting teams are not likely landing starters in those rounds.
Good luck creating a roster in a timely fashion. By the time you are done, your first draft pick would be dead.
I don't understand why someone would be so cavalier about giving away later round picks when we consistently have untenable depth problems.
1 for 19. Even if you add Michael Johnson, it's 2 for 19.
6th round pick? I guess Tyree in 2003, maybe Sash.
1 for 20 or 2 for 20 if you count both, and I add Tyree for the SB catch and ST contributions, but let's all agree he was not a starter.
5th round?
Obviously we have more success here. Slayton, the Giants best WR was a 5th round pick. Expanding for the entire Eli era:
Slayton (2019)
Gibril (2004)
Boss (2007)
Kennard (2014)
Lemieux (TBD) to be fair all 2020 picks should be TBD.
But none of those eligible got a 2nd contract with the Giants which is important especially to the comment about roster building.
These picks are not as valuable as some of you think outside of the top 3 rounds. It's not just the Giants league-wide statistics support me on this.
I'd do the 4th round but I'm out of time, need to head to hockey practice, I will revisit this thread though.
If we do win a few games now IDK how we can compete going forward realistically when we rarely pass for even 200 yards.
BUT, I do not want to trade a 1, 2, or 3 pick to get one, even though I wish we had some talent there. Aside from Slayton we really have 0.
i always thought the tate signing was a bad one but i guess after trading OBJ they were desperate.
In comment 15016376 mpinmaine said:
If we do win a few games now IDK how we can compete going forward realistically when we rarely pass for even 200 yards.
BUT, I do not want to trade a 1, 2, or 3 pick to get one, even though I wish we had some talent there. Aside from Slayton we really have 0.
By low you mean late round? If so we can agree to disagree. And it’s relative. It depends on your alternative
I've echoed that point most of this week. In fact, I think the next big moment for this team isn't Thursday against the Eagles. It's the trade deadline on November 3rd.
We should be telling the league that LW, Zeitler, Golden, Fleming, Tate are for sale. So let the bidding begin.