Would you re-sign BOTH Dalvin Tomlinson and Leonard Williams

and I can only pick one. Give me Williams. He seems to make more plays. I would love to keep both if possible but neither are game breakers and we already have Big Dex and BJ Hill so it wouldn’t be a huge loss.

Invest in 2-3 edge rushers not named Golden. Build a complete DLine that can actually pressure the QB.

Hate to see that on a team other than big blue.

They committed resources to Williams already. See how the season plays out. If he continues to be a force, work out the extension.

We have needs at spots other than DL right now. No reason to make a hole on the team when there's no one else worth extending.

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Invest in 2-3 edge rushers not named Golden. Build a complete DLine that can actually pressure the QB.

Can you name a good ER in free agency we should target?

how is a WR that has only hit 1000 receiving yards twice in 6 years considered a stud?

This team for too long has been filling needs without ever building a strength. Not taking into cap implications, I would not be opposed to going all in on the defensive line and finally building an identity again.

without knowing what those costs are.

In theory I suspect it's doable though. For example here's the Steelers current front 7 by AAV:

Heyward - $16.5m (just resigned for 4 years)
Tuitt - $12m (signed a 5 year extension during his rookie deal)
Dupree - $15.8m (franchise tag)
Watt - rookie deal (huge extension coming in the near future)
Bush - rookie deal
Williams - 6.2m
Alualu - 2.8m (was a cheaper replacement for Hargrave)

So it's possible depending on where you are prioritizing your cap # even if your QB is expensive. The Steelers have obviously been a front 7 heavy team for a long time.

NE tends to spend more in the secondary than on the front 7, so in a lot of ways it will depend on the team building style Judge prefers and the relative costs of each player.

the Ravens are a blend of both models with heavy investments in the DL (Campbell, Williams, Wolfe) and DB's (Peters, Humphrey, Smith, Clark) but less so at the LB level where they've gone more plug and play (they let Mosely and Zadarius walk).

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how is a WR that has only hit 1000 receiving yards twice in 6 years considered a stud?

Compared to Golden Tate he’s a stud. We had a stud but well. You know.

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how is a WR that has only hit 1000 receiving yards twice in 6 years considered a stud?

He does average 1000 yards per season.

idk that I would target him. Oft injured is why he doesn't have 1000 yard seasons...

doesn't mean we should spend it on whoever our best players are. Asset allocation is paramount. And you can rebuild a team by rolling over money and playing with incentives.

Any of these last 3 seasons would have been a good time to do this and set ourselves up in great cap shape but we've declined that.

That's the biggest crime. If you are going to be as bad as we are you should really be sitting in stellar cap shape at least.

Nothing wrong with being thrifty with resources until you have talent at premium positions that you can lock up together as well as look to add key pieces around at good prices.

The LW deal is a stain on this franchise and it's competence. If they pay him $18-$20M a year and let go of Tomlinson at $12-$14 M that stain will be bigger. But you can't really pay $30-$34 either. They aren't really in a good situation here.

They should really trade LW yesterday...

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Bud Dupree?

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doesn't mean we should spend it on whoever our best players are. Asset allocation is paramount. And you can rebuild a team by rolling over money and playing with incentives. Any of these last 3 seasons would have been a good time to do this and set ourselves up in great cap shape but we've declined that. That's the biggest crime. If you are going to be as bad as we are you should really be sitting in stellar cap shape at least. Nothing wrong with being thrifty with resources until you have talent at premium positions that you can lock up together as well as look to add key pieces around at good prices. The LW deal is a stain on this franchise and it's competence. If they pay him $18-$20M a year and let go of Tomlinson at $12-$14 M that stain will be bigger. But you can't really pay $30-$34 either. They aren't really in a good situation here. They should really trade LW yesterday...

Your last point is key. I'd see what the market becomes for Williams by the trade deadline. He might be moveable then.

I do think Tomlinson is Linval Joseph 2.0. I would extend him.

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He's pretty much it though, no? The market isn't great. Is he likely to leave Pitt?

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Dupree won’t hit the market because Pitt is smart. They’ll do what they’ve always done and let guys like JuJu walk.

That’s the rub with just hoping options will be there in FA. Teams understand the value of ER’s. They just aren’t going to let quality ones walk.

Williams/Tomlinson aren’t elite players but they’re good. Paying for good players isn’t a bad option even if the value isn’t perfect. What’s worse is letting good players walk to win a salary cap award with nothing behind or using that money on FA’s who don’t really move the team forward.

The goals next off-season should be to make sure the QB position is settled (Jones or a draft pick), solidify the OL, and finish the DL by adding quality ERs. If that means toughing it out another year at WR or CB then so be it. Those positions are much easier to fill in FA.

Because in the long run, stud DL covers a lot of warts. Not much market for EDGE this year and as of right now, I cant see us offering a back breaking contract to Saquon... it just doeant make sense. The true core players we have right now are on the D line. Might as well keep that group together.

LW is certainly the better player....very underated in pass defense. The Giants get an outside monster edge....LW will shine.

Tomilinson is easier to replace but homegrown. We might have his replacement already on roster.

take Tomlinson with a slight edge if we can only have one.

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how is a WR that has only hit 1000 receiving yards twice in 6 years considered a stud?

He’s often injured but we aren’t talking fantasy football. When he’s on the field he’s a stud. Did you see him vs giants? Grabbing 3rd down after 3rd down in traffic. Terrible throws by trusbiky and he’s snatching them like it’s nothing. When he’s on the field he’s a true 1. Like Shepard, great when they play, but often injured. I would not pay big bucks to guys like that.

We are in no position to just let good players walk out the door.

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doesn't mean we should spend it on whoever our best players are. Asset allocation is paramount. And you can rebuild a team by rolling over money

Save the resources for what? Another pricy and risky vet FA signing? So many of those don’t work out. Resigning both Williams and Tomlinson is the SAFE decision. Redeploying the cap space towards a future signing may very well lead to another useless big ticket signing, which happens to all GMs.

I think this line if reasoning - letting the capable players you have leave and hope to get better ones instead - is one of the reasons this team has stunk for a decade. Remember Linval Joseph?

I have a simpler idea for building the team: when you have a player who is performing in the system, you KEEP them on the team.

(Please avoid extreme situations. I agree that DG should not have matched the Washington offer for Landon Collins.)

He will be cheaper and is better at his position than LW is at his.
I would re-sign LW if there is plenty of money left after some releases. But I doubt he signs for less than AAV $16mill and in my mind he is not worth that much.

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Jadeveon Clowney is the exact same player as LW. Disruptive when he wants to be but doesn't put up overly impressive stats. Not to mention, he'd probably be cheaper than LW and be better than anything the Giants have now at either DE. Unless JC has a great 2nd half, he can prove signed for 13-14 mil per year...that's a better deal than LW at 4 mil more.

We need to add talent not subtract it. At least we have a competitive DL. Without Tomlinson what have we got and who is going to replace him. This is a unit to build around not trade off talent her for talent elsewhere.

and Williams are completely different players. Williams can and has played inside and serves mainly as a space eater and run defender. Clowney is a pass rusher and plays on the edge

I'll tell you one thing - Blake Martinez sure wants to see Tomlinson and Williams resigned.

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those grow on trees.... yeah we should get 2-3 of them this off season. Cheap too

I was looking at the feasibility of cutting players - one of them Zeitler - OTC has Zeitler at $14.5 mill with $12 mill salary and $2.5 mill prorated bonus. Why would the Giants be responsible for the pro-rated bonus? The Browns already paid that. Just like the Browns were not responsible for Beckham's signing bonus - the Giants ate that.
Isn't that a mistake by OTC? Shouldn't cutting Zeitler be free?

Good lineman don’t come around every day. Sure let the strength of our team just walk.

I feel that Tomlinson is undervalued on this site. Williams seems very happy right now and is producing results.
Why start all over on the DL. Get the ER and these guys will be even more productive.

Signing both does not hurt the Giants and does not keep them from adding to this team.

Williams versatile across the defensive line and has been very good thisnyear, you may not see it in stats but he has been very valuable...

Having 3 mammoth Dlineman help Martinez tremendously keeping the blocks off of him and letting him fill the hole

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Yup. Cheaper and just as productive. I’d look to deal Williams at the deadline as other posters have mentioned.

you take Williams but cap wise you take Tomlison. They have a lot of needs to fill and i think the difference between the two isn't worth what Williams will get and what DT will get. I was looking at cap numbers yesterday and think that Zeitler is gone unless they can't find a decent replacement and Solder stays because his dead money($10m according to Over the Cap) is just too much next year. Maybe they move him inside? I think Tate is gone as well. What are they going to do about Peppers. I know a lot of people on here are all for dumping him but who do you get to replace him? I expect there to be some turnover in the secondary (How do they justify keeping Beal, Ryan isn't signed Ballentine is meh and love is worse and the rest seem like fodder). They'll need an Edge, Safety, LB(Fackrell isn't signed) WR, RB, TE and OL(again), not to mention a backup (or starting) QB.

That 2.5 Million is not his Brown's signing bonus. We restructured Zeitler's contract after trading for him.

As to the OP's question, hell yes you sign them both if you can reasonably; letting good players go in the hopes of getting great ones is the road to 18 years of lousy football.

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Was thinking the same thing....we don't have any now because we didn't hit the super market.

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That 2.5 Million is not his Brown's signing bonus. We restructured Zeitler's contract after trading for him.

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Jadeveon Clowney is the exact same player as LW. Disruptive when he wants to be but doesn't put up overly impressive stats. Not to mention, he'd probably be cheaper than LW and be better than anything the Giants have now at either DE. Unless JC has a great 2nd half, he can prove signed for 13-14 mil per year...that's a better deal than LW at 4 mil more.

Clowney and LW are the "exact same player"? Have you seen either of them? How are they at all similar?

That's why cutting him will incur a $2.5M hit. That is very manageable.

is also manageable at $4.7M. I am no fan of Gettleman's but I do like how he has avoided loading up the team with future cap liabilities the last couple of years (2018 is a different matter). We are in good shape.

Btw, this is looking farther into the future, but Saquon's rookie contract is so expensive that resigning him to a long-term contract at market HB rates (say Ezekiel Elliott) will only have a marginal negative impact on our cap. The downside of this of course is that we've been incurring an unusually large cap allocation for a rookie HB contract in his first three seasons. But keeping him on the team for the long term won't be a major cap event given our current baseline.

has spent most of the past decade as a plus player for the Vikings.

We have a QB on a rookie contract. Now is not the time to let one of our best players walk.

We need to start building a core of players. This team was good when we had a dominant d line. Focus on edge rushers in the off season to pair with LW/DL/DT.

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I agree with Greg, Re-sign Tomlinson and Austin Johnson and then draft another DL in rounds 3-4.

I hope the Giants trade Leonard Williams before the trade deadline unless they win Thursday and are still in the playoff hunt.

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That's why cutting him will incur a $2.5M hit. That is very manageable.

Zeitler, Solder, and Tate will more than likely be cut this offseason and rightfully so.

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Because in the long run, stud DL covers a lot of warts. Not much market for EDGE this year and as of right now, I cant see us offering a back breaking contract to Saquon... it just doeant make sense. The true core players we have right now are on the D line. Might as well keep that group together.

They will only get better the more they play together. I agree keep them if possible. Otherwise we end up using a draft spot to backfill. If we can re-sign we can use the spot for another position.

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This is so inaccurate. You're comparing apples and oranges. Williams is a dirty work DT/DE who can pressure the QB at a high rate FOR THAT POSITION. HE's also very good against the run. He's a very good player no matter what the number crunchers here say. So is Thomlinson.

If you compare Williams to true edge players of course he's going to fall short in the flashy impact play department. Why not compare a fucking tackle to a WR while you're at it.

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I have a feeling that one of Solder or Zeitler are kept and Zeitler is the better of the two. Unless Lemieux gets in there and wows them, Zeitler will stay, I think. If Thomas and Peart keep developing. Solder is gone.

Agree on Tate.

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Why not keep the line in tact, who have been playing together and improving as a unit? Use that 3-4 round pick on another position of need? It may cost them but Williams/Tomlinson/Lawrence will only be getting better together. Bringing in another guy from the 3rd/4th round certainly means a year of learning Graham's system...this sets them back up front?

I think you have to understand how the 3-4 defense works to really appreciate how good Williams is. Otherwise you'll drive yourself crazy comparing him to players like Clowney.

Clowney's role looks more like Golden or Carter i'd say.

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I think you have to understand how the 3-4 defense works to really appreciate how good Williams is. Otherwise you'll drive yourself crazy comparing him to players like Clowney. Clowney's role looks more like Golden or Carter i'd say.

That was always Clowney's role. He is an OLB/ER in a 3-4 or a DE in a 4-3..

LW is a 3-4 DE of a DT 4-3. The 3-4 DE is really a DT anyway.

Tomlinson if not traded these guys are just fools. Williams can’t be traded since we way overpriced him but if they even discuss bringing him back next season well it’s just stupidity.

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That's how I see it too. I agree.

Tomlinson is going to get a ton of money on the open market. I'd resign him. Williams - it depends on the money. If he gets offered some ludicrous long term deal then we probably have to pass. I'm guessing we can get him on a nice deal but who knows. I'd re-sign both and target EDGE in the draft.

the Steelers are a smart team so even though I don't think they can afford him long term, my guess is they tag and trade him for a similar return to what other teams have done in recent years (Ngakue, Ford, Clark, Buckner, etc).

They will get a 1st or 2nd for him and clear the cap as opposed to letting him walk for nothing.

Who will probably command less money and let Williams walk. I don’t think we’ve seen Tomlinson’s best play. Williams on the other hand, I don’t know if he’ll ever meet his potential.

A positional comp (not talent or production) for LW is Deforest Buckner or Arik Armstead, for example. They are DTs playing on the end in 3-man fronts, or kicking inside in 4-man fronts, but they're not Edge players.

As to the OP, it's going to be interesting if they'll have the cap space to sign both. I suspect it will be a choice of one and I'd sign LW, however, he's not a $20M per season player, imo. But, he does play a position that's harder to fill than Tomlinson's.

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the Steelers are a smart team so even though I don't think they can afford him long term, my guess is they tag and trade him for a similar return to what other teams have done in recent years (Ngakue, Ford, Clark, Buckner, etc). They will get a 1st or 2nd for him and clear the cap as opposed to letting him walk for nothing.

Agreed. This seems to be the new norm for big time players at premier positions. There will always be a contender willing to go all in on their window and add a pre-made star.

Draft 2nd round DTs and then letting them walk

Barry Cofield
Linval Joseph
Jonathan Hankins
Dalvin Tomlinson (Hopefully we keep him)

The big miss was

Marvin Austin (BUST)

If it’s doable without breaking the bank then sure, but if we can only keep one I’d keep Tomlinson. He’s very underrated, never missed time, has always played well despite not having the greatest cast around him. Think he will be like Josesph if we let him go. He seems primed to be just entering his best play, I know both he and Williams are young guys just hitting their prime bit Tomlinson has been the more consistent player. Something about paying Williams scares me as he seems like the type who plays hard when his paycheck is on the line might get a little to lax after you sign him. Give me Tomlinson, just a very underrated unsung football player.

and can produce on the field, you keep your own guys before you go trying to sign UFA's. I lean towards keeping both so long as the money is reasonable. All you need is ONE crazy team that wants to way overpay to lose a guy. I don't BLAME players for leaving for big money as careers are short.

We know what we have with these two. If the draft has an ER when we pick, great! But yes we need an ER. But do you pay huge, huge money for say Dupree? I'd rather draft an ER and pray he can rush. Ximines isn't looking like a guy who will develop and Carter is hurt. Neither would be elite even if healthy and at their best.

Tough decisions ahead but in my mind Solder, Tate, Zeitler and definite cuts at this point so we will have cap space even if the cap doesn't go up at all due to Covid losses.

Only resign Williams if the price tag is worth it.

They made a mistake letting Hankins and Joseph go, because it was felt they were easily replaceable. That was not the case.

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and can produce on the field, you keep your own guys before you go trying to sign UFA's. I lean towards keeping both so long as the money is reasonable. All you need is ONE crazy team that wants to way overpay to lose a guy. I don't BLAME players for leaving for big money as careers are short. We know what we have with these two. If the draft has an ER when we pick, great! But yes we need an ER. But do you pay huge, huge money for say Dupree? I'd rather draft an ER and pray he can rush. Ximines isn't looking like a guy who will develop and Carter is hurt. Neither would be elite even if healthy and at their best. Tough decisions ahead but in my mind Solder, Tate, Zeitler and definite cuts at this point so we will have cap space even if the cap doesn't go up at all due to Covid losses.

If you could resign one and Dupree would you do it? To me Dupree > Williams. And resign Tomlinson. If you draft a guy like Parsons additionally our defense is going to start looking elite.

I really don't want to draft another DT high. We let Griffin go. We let Hankins go. We let Joseph go. And spent high draft capital each time to replace. Right how with so few draft picks, I'm inclined to say yes, let's not create holes to fill others. Of course price has to be right for both sides though.

before deadline. Imagine can come to a reasonable extension with Tomlinson moreso than LW based on Giants not getting it done with him/his agent when they had 3/4 of year to do it.

Lawrence, Tomlinson, Johnson, Hill plus an extra pick or player...sounds better than breaking the bank with Williams and regretting the dollars later.

1. Has Daniel Jones demonstrated he is the long-term answer at QB?

2. What is the Giants' draft position?

3. What is the pan with Barkley? Long-term signing? Let him play out the 5th year?

My preference would be to re-sign both players, draft edge rushers, WR, and corners in April. BUT, Jones has to prove he is the guy....mostly just prove that his field awareness and ball security have improved.

the Steelers tagged him last year and will do so again if need be. Why wouldn't they? They can get a 1st or 2nd for him and save the money - why let him walk for nothing?

Separately, re: Tomlinson, 1 other factor of note is that UFA contract lengths have been declining in recent years, just as Bradberry and Martinez took 3 year deals here. Lawrence has 3 more years left on his rookie deal after this one (assuming the 5th year option gets picked up).

So they could extend Tomlinson for 3 years or so and there could be no overlap with Lawrence's 2nd contract.

Williams contract is different because he is a tier above as a player and negotiating off a much higher base. Resigning him is a more dynamic decision based on the alternatives in the market and his demands relative to the tag prices. In the flat cap offseason I'd be very tempted to transition tag him so they have the right of refusal. Then they can either decide to match the market price or know he will only walk if he gets severely overpaid (which would likely mean a comp pick is coming back).

Although if Giants can get a pick/player for LW now that is reasonable, I would go with that over transition tag process as that road wasn't taken when available this year.

Possible comp pick is always helpful but a pick now is better...bird in the hand.

I would sign resign BJ Hill and Tomlinson and let LW walk. Was not inf favor of the acquisition or the price tag and still not. Unless you have a McDonald type, that money at 17M or whatever should be invested in some pass rushers. Golden was nothing but a rotational pass rusher, Just like Carter and Xman, Carter was showing some growth.

ER and WR are the toughest skill positions to fill and keep. You sink that money into both, what are you going to do at RT and C. Pray that Peart and Lemuiex work out?

The Oline is not fortified. Trying to sink more money into a DL for the parts you have and ignore the same areas the talent level is deficit is a recipe for failure.

And will someone explain to me why RJ McIntosh is on the roster????

I think Williams will probably be seeking a $ value that far exceeds his demonstrated worth

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Although if Giants can get a pick/player for LW now that is reasonable, I would go with that over transition tag process as that road wasn't taken when available this year. Possible comp pick is always helpful but a pick now is better...bird in the hand.

I don't disagree, but personally I wouldn't trade LW for anything short of a 2nd round pick. It would have to be for more than we got him for. Otherwise why bother since there's the prospect of retaining or receiving a comp pick.

But I am coming at this from the POV of seeing value in winning as many games possible this year. It is in everyone in the organizations (and us fans) best interest for Jones to be the guy, and Judge to be the guy, and Graham to be the guy, and having good players helps that cause. The sooner all of them can start getting wins and get the stink of losing off the better.

and try to sign Tomlinson but I think we can move Lawrence over to the nose (might be his better position anyway) and put in Hill and not lose too much.

Williams is very good trade bait right now to claw back some draft picks for 2021 and maybe add for 2022.

Let's face it - we have DT strength. Let's move a piece to potentially improve another area.

To me, unless you have an Aaron Donald type - a complete outlier talent - DT is a position that is fairly fungible. Always big guys on the market to fill gap. See New England.

Williams would be the priority but at the right price. Tomlinson - think they need to save that money for other positions. If they cannot sign Williams - would depend on what DT was looking for.

yup, and this is also supposed to be where the 3-4 base is supposed to help. Create fungible, multiple, rotation depth, and cheaper contract cost up front.

Is his dead money hit $10million? I think that is too much to just let him go. I think he'll have had a year off, you see what he's got left and obviously how the current players are doing and then you either move him to RT or Guard or keep him around as injuries inevitably happen. Zeitlers it is lower, so i think you let him walk and look to allocate minimal additional cap space to the OL until the following year when you jettison Solder. with only 5 draft picks, our cap resources will be strained trying to fill all the depth we need via FA.

No coincidence Leo came and Dalvin got better right away. He's a great piece to this defense albeit pricey.

Whereas Tomlinson who is a run stuffer will command $12-13M per most likely.

the Bills may be looking to trade for Tomlinson.

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If thats the case and we can get a 3rd for him, yes you do it. Otherwise I maintain our strength on the D Line. BJ Hill has played better since last year and having 4 big D Linemen to rotate is a nice thing to have.

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In comment 15017377 mittenedman said: Quote: the Bills may be looking to trade for Tomlinson. If thats the case and we can get a 3rd for him, yes you do it. Otherwise I maintain our strength on the D Line. BJ Hill has played better since last year and having 4 big D Linemen to rotate is a nice thing to have.

I disagree. Tomlinson is worth more than a 3.

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No coincidence Leo came and Dalvin got better right away. He's a great piece to this defense albeit pricey. Whereas Tomlinson who is a run stuffer will command $12-13M per most likely.

I don't think Dalvin gets that much with the CAP losing about $25 mill next season. Probably $6-$8 mill range.

last offseason.

and it wouldn't surprise me if the talk started again, which suggests he's not in their longterm plans.

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That 2.5 Million is not his Brown's signing bonus. We restructured Zeitler's contract after trading for him. As to the OP's question, hell yes you sign them both if you can reasonably; letting good players go in the hopes of getting great ones is the road to 18 years of lousy football.

well said. Everybody is always saying don't pay this person, he is good but not great. Where are all the great players that we are going to acquire? How many DL are actually better than L. Williams? People talk like there are 8 A. Donald's out there or in the draft.

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and it wouldn't surprise me if the talk started again, which suggests he's not in their longterm plans.

Getting rid of Jerry's people just to do it. DG has to go.

but sometimes you got to make the decision not to make the good DT open market dollars. They went out and got LW and Dexter and tried to trade him.

In comment 15017570 JonC said:

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but sometimes you got to make the decision not to make the good DT open market dollars. They went out and got LW and Dexter and tried to trade him.

I think Dalvin is playing much better this season. He seems to be making a lot more plays. He also seems to stay on the field, which is a plus.
In the end, should DG be gone after this year, it will be up to the next GM with input from Judge. Perhaps Judge has a different view of Tomlinson than DG has.

Bad injury history and to me he does not consistently dominate. Keep both guys. They are a known versus unknown Clowney. Another shiny toy.

point, Clowney isn't a shiny toy, he's an old doll gathering dust

In comment 15017570 JonC said:

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but sometimes you got to make the decision not to make the good DT open market dollars. They went out and got LW and Dexter and tried to trade him.

First I heard of the trade rumor. I find that interesting

I like Tomlinson, Just like I liked Joseph and Hankins. It seems we grow DL talent and let them walk to sign supposedly better talent.

Williams is a foregone conclusion. They spent two picks and a franchise tag on him, they aren't going to let him walk and be totally embarrassed.

would appear highly unlikely they sign LW for market dollars, Tomlinson for $12M+, and then go out and spend on Edge talent, and still have needs to consider on the OL, WR, CB, etc. Cap space disappears quickly, can't keep everyone and some tough decisions need to be made.

whose making the decisions and are they the right decisions.

I can see them keeping LW and letting Tomlinson walk. No way to justify it not signing him. Gettleman is not going to let his top FA walk after the costs to get him. And I hate talk of Comp picks. I wonder when the last time a Comp pick worked out for the Giants?

With a lower cap next year, some hard decisions are going to have to be made.

Well, next year is year 2!