It's funny, because they obviously thought increasing HRs would increase excitement and interest. It seems that overwhelmingly the opposite has happened. For most fans the HR is now cheapened and boring and the quality of play has lessened.
I agree...imagine Billy Martin managing now.
I with both of you guys on this. Hit and run, bunt for base hits, aggressive base running. Go with the pitch. Triples! That's baseball.
1. DH- in favor
2. Runner on 2nd to start extra innings: I'm fine with a mechanism to prevent absurdly long regular season games. I do think it makes it a little more exciting, especially in the three-true-outcome version that baseball has become. But I'd institute it starting in the 11th or 12th inning and at least have an extra inning or two unadulterated.
3. 7 inning doubleheaders: Fine with me. Don't care either way as I couldn't sit through a doubleheader anymore anyway with the pace of play.
4. Playoff format. FUCKING HATE IT. Baseball is a game of sample sizes. It's a streaky sport and it's why 162 games (or something close to that) makes a lot of sense.
Short series (Best of 1/3/5) are already problematic because of this and allowing more teams into the postseason only corrupts the regular season further, more so than any other sport. If so many teams make the postseason, then why would I follow a team through 162 games?
If baseball has any expansion, it should be set up such that the underdog team has to beat teh favorite more times than the favorite has to win. In other words, if it's 8 teams per League, the series should all be
Round 1: Wild card games: Best of 2: underdog has to win both games
Round 2 Division Series: Best of 4: underdog has to win 3 games before favorite wins 2 games. Though I'd live with this being Best of 5 or Best of 7
Manfred is a terrible commissioner and he continues to show that with some of the moves he wants to make.
If you want to make a change to the playoffs, eliminate the 1-game play-in, but don't let half the league in. Next thing you know, he'll be recommending pod sites for playoffs and no off days
I only tune into the playoffs (and I think there are many like me as far as baseball is concerned) and an expanded playoff format pretty much ruins the reasons people like us to watch. It's a slug of a season and now you are just letting every Tom, Dick, and Harry in? I didn't watch one game of the playoffs this year because of it.
especially the expanded playoffs that totally and completely de-value the regular season. If you can't win your division, you don't belong in the playoffs - in any sport.
Average and shitty teams, because it potentially gives them hope throughout the entire season, because they only have to get to around .500 to make the playoffs.
But for me, as a Yankee fan, it makes the regular season close to irrelevant.
The Yanks haven't had a sub-.500 season for 28 years and it's highly unlikely that next year will be any different.
I watch most of the Yankees' games now, but if the expanded playoff format is on for next year, I'm going to invest 3+ hours of my daily life watching the Yanks play what would amount to 6 months of exhibition games.
No sport should award mediocrity and let more than half the teams into the playoffs.
His "piece of metal" comment is the single worst comment I can remember a Commissioner of a major sport making. Now this shit, which we all saw coming as the OP thread title mentions. He's so damn lucky the Rays didn't blow the series vs. the Astros.
Selig was incompetent, but I almost felt bad for the guy. I have nothing but negative thoughts about Manfred.
RE: RE: I Know This is about Rules, not Pet Peeves, but
I’d like to see batting gloves eliminated. You can do your own math, but in a typical 250 pitch game, the time lost for “adjusting my gloves” nearly every pitch is likely in the range of 12-15 minutes a game. I think there was some quote a while ago about the positive aspect of speeding up the game by 45 seconds or something. Let’s try for some real change. They could allow batting glove makers’ logos on their sleeves for marketing (since we know that’s what it’s about).
Maybe we need a “peeves” thread, but as an old timer, I can’t stand the whimpification of the game. I think shin pads & elbow pads are fine - they do some good. But batting gloves are all about “merchandising” (to quote Spaceballs). How about NASCAR logos all over the uinis?
100% agree with how batters fidgeting with gloves or whatever between pitches is one of the biggest causes of longer games. Going back to video clips of games in the 60s, 70s, even 80s, batters got back in the box quickly and games took 2.5 hours.
Banning gloves is an interesting idea. But I say hit them in the wallet. $1000 fine for every time they take more than 10 seconds to get back in the box or something like that
Fucking Nomar and Ortiz used to spend 20-30 seconds fidgeting between every pitch
anyone actually read the article or is everyone just responding to the headline? The article says two rules specifically would carry over to future seasons, and even that is not 100% true. It says nothing about the DH, nothing about 7 inning double headers, just that the 10th inning runner on 2nd would stay and that they want to expand the playoffs (but that 16 teams is too many). We already heard the rumblings that they wanted to add another team per league for playoffs, all this article does is confirm that.
“I like the idea of, and I’m choosing my words carefully here, an expanded playoff format,” Manfred said. “I don’t think we would do 16 like we did this year. I think we do have to be cognizant of making sure that we preserve the importance of our regular season. But I think something beyond the 10 that we were at would be a good change.”
of starting the 11th inning with the base runners that were left stranded in the 10th and then continue that way till its over. Instead of both teams automatically getting a runner. would lead to all kinds of situations and maybe decrease the "everyone swing for the fences" approach to extras which makes them boring until its over.
DH is a must. no 7 inning games, need an off day only when you travel.
If they keep expanded playoffs round 1 shoud be double header high seed needs 1 win lower needs a sweep.
there ever been a case of a player getting significantly injured in a long extra inning game?
Of course.
And even if somehow there wasn’t - They play 13 games in 14 days ever summer ... the point of 16-18 games in the midst of 162 or 6-7 hour games for your August entertainment is what exactly?
NHL And nfl dont play unlimited Overtime’s and they play fraction of games.
It’s absurdly stupid, pointless and outdated. If you can’t find a winner after 11 it’s a tie. Why Americans can’t stand ties I don’t know. Who cares.
In fact, I'd go beyond that. If they're still tied after 12 innings, the game ends as a tie. As its been pointed out, the NFL and NHL both limit regular season overtime. Long extra inning games are even more destructive in baseball than overtime in football and hockey. Tired players and a cooked bullpen from a 16+ inning game can affect a team for days. Its also extremely unfair if they go on to play a different rested team the next day.
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It's funny, because they obviously thought increasing HRs would increase excitement and interest. It seems that overwhelmingly the opposite has happened. For most fans the HR is now cheapened and boring and the quality of play has lessened.
I agree...imagine Billy Martin managing now.
I with both of you guys on this. Hit and run, bunt for base hits, aggressive base running. Go with the pitch. Triples! That's baseball.
They can just do the same thing for batters. I don't need to watch you fix your gloves, cleates, nuts, and helmet every single time.
I see it as the equivilant of the shootout out in the NHL. A tool to be used during the regular season but thrown out the window in the playoffs.
Rob Manfred is a disaster.
2. Runner on 2nd to start extra innings: I'm fine with a mechanism to prevent absurdly long regular season games. I do think it makes it a little more exciting, especially in the three-true-outcome version that baseball has become. But I'd institute it starting in the 11th or 12th inning and at least have an extra inning or two unadulterated.
3. 7 inning doubleheaders: Fine with me. Don't care either way as I couldn't sit through a doubleheader anymore anyway with the pace of play.
4. Playoff format. FUCKING HATE IT. Baseball is a game of sample sizes. It's a streaky sport and it's why 162 games (or something close to that) makes a lot of sense.
Short series (Best of 1/3/5) are already problematic because of this and allowing more teams into the postseason only corrupts the regular season further, more so than any other sport. If so many teams make the postseason, then why would I follow a team through 162 games?
If baseball has any expansion, it should be set up such that the underdog team has to beat teh favorite more times than the favorite has to win. In other words, if it's 8 teams per League, the series should all be
Round 1: Wild card games: Best of 2: underdog has to win both games
Round 2 Division Series: Best of 4: underdog has to win 3 games before favorite wins 2 games. Though I'd live with this being Best of 5 or Best of 7
LCS/World Series: standard Best of 7 series.
Manfred is a terrible commissioner and he continues to show that with some of the moves he wants to make.
If you want to make a change to the playoffs, eliminate the 1-game play-in, but don't let half the league in. Next thing you know, he'll be recommending pod sites for playoffs and no off days
I only tune into the playoffs (and I think there are many like me as far as baseball is concerned) and an expanded playoff format pretty much ruins the reasons people like us to watch. It's a slug of a season and now you are just letting every Tom, Dick, and Harry in? I didn't watch one game of the playoffs this year because of it.
But for me, as a Yankee fan, it makes the regular season close to irrelevant.
The Yanks haven't had a sub-.500 season for 28 years and it's highly unlikely that next year will be any different.
I watch most of the Yankees' games now, but if the expanded playoff format is on for next year, I'm going to invest 3+ hours of my daily life watching the Yanks play what would amount to 6 months of exhibition games.
No sport should award mediocrity and let more than half the teams into the playoffs.
Selig was incompetent, but I almost felt bad for the guy. I have nothing but negative thoughts about Manfred.
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I’d like to see batting gloves eliminated. You can do your own math, but in a typical 250 pitch game, the time lost for “adjusting my gloves” nearly every pitch is likely in the range of 12-15 minutes a game. I think there was some quote a while ago about the positive aspect of speeding up the game by 45 seconds or something. Let’s try for some real change. They could allow batting glove makers’ logos on their sleeves for marketing (since we know that’s what it’s about).
Maybe we need a “peeves” thread, but as an old timer, I can’t stand the whimpification of the game. I think shin pads & elbow pads are fine - they do some good. But batting gloves are all about “merchandising” (to quote Spaceballs). How about NASCAR logos all over the uinis?
100% agree with how batters fidgeting with gloves or whatever between pitches is one of the biggest causes of longer games. Going back to video clips of games in the 60s, 70s, even 80s, batters got back in the box quickly and games took 2.5 hours.
Banning gloves is an interesting idea. But I say hit them in the wallet. $1000 fine for every time they take more than 10 seconds to get back in the box or something like that
Fucking Nomar and Ortiz used to spend 20-30 seconds fidgeting between every pitch
Mike Hargrove - The Human Rain Delay
lonk - ( New Window )
If you hate that (3 on 3 in hockey seems to be fine) ... then just accept ties after 11 innings. That’s fine too
Hate the expanded playoffs especially the 2 of 3 first round though. And top seed doesn’t even get a bye?? So so dumb.
“I like the idea of, and I’m choosing my words carefully here, an expanded playoff format,” Manfred said. “I don’t think we would do 16 like we did this year. I think we do have to be cognizant of making sure that we preserve the importance of our regular season. But I think something beyond the 10 that we were at would be a good change.”
It show how out of touch he is with the players
A few players that I've heard commenting on it seemed to like it. They have no interest in playing 13+ inning games.
DH is a must. no 7 inning games, need an off day only when you travel.
If they keep expanded playoffs round 1 shoud be double header high seed needs 1 win lower needs a sweep.
Of course.
And even if somehow there wasn’t - They play 13 games in 14 days ever summer ... the point of 16-18 games in the midst of 162 or 6-7 hour games for your August entertainment is what exactly?
NHL And nfl dont play unlimited Overtime’s and they play fraction of games.
It’s absurdly stupid, pointless and outdated. If you can’t find a winner after 11 it’s a tie. Why Americans can’t stand ties I don’t know. Who cares.
Another issue with never ending extra inning games - the next day starters get rested so paying fans see lots of backups. Not fair to them either.
Just not reasonable or practical. Maybe in an era where everyone did PEDs it was ok but now it’s just dumb.