We were 5-2 I believe and the announcement came that Tom was switching to Eli. I believe there was something about Kurt's sore thumb and of course going with the future in Eli.
But at the time, I remember Kurt was bitter about it and it seemed like for about five years of so, he seemed anti-Giants working the NFL Network.
Am I wrong about that?
RE: I remember that week. I was at Hilton Head on vacation.
We were 5-2 I believe and the announcement came that Tom was switching to Eli. I believe there was something about Kurt's sore thumb and of course going with the future in Eli.
But at the time, I remember Kurt was bitter about it and it seemed like for about five years of so, he seemed anti-Giants working the NFL Network.
Am I wrong about that?
5-4.
Lost back to back games against Josh McCown of the Cardinals and to the immortal Craig Krenzel of the Bears.
Warner was holding onto the ball forever and had a few bad fumbles.
RE: RE: I remember that week. I was at Hilton Head on vacation.
We were 5-2 I believe and the announcement came that Tom was switching to Eli. I believe there was something about Kurt's sore thumb and of course going with the future in Eli.
But at the time, I remember Kurt was bitter about it and it seemed like for about five years of so, he seemed anti-Giants working the NFL Network.
Am I wrong about that?
5-4.
Lost back to back games against Josh McCown of the Cardinals and to the immortal Craig Krenzel of the Bears.
Warner was holding onto the ball forever and had a few bad fumbles.
Correct, Warner's fumbling was killing the Giants. They needed to make the change.
His rating was nice and we had a winning record, but he was playing poorly imo. He was complaining about the receivers not being where he expected which might have led to him just checking down all the time, but he wasn't helping the offense. Plus he was taking a lot of sacks of his own making and fumbling. Despite the record you could see where that season was headed. It was the right and smart move by Coughlin.
... but there's just enough ambiguity there, and us (BBI) knowing how Eli CAN be dry at times with his humor/sarcasm ... was he taking a little bit of a shot? Subtly?
Like I said. Maybe not. Hell, probably not.
But just ... Eli ... and he HAD to know Kurt took some shitty shots in those early years. I don't think Kurt was anything close to a "class act." I do admit, I have no idea what type of mentor he was or became, considering he was only with the Giants for 7 more games.
Although disappointed, he definitely did mentor Eli. Eli consistently said so that year, and during games, we almost always saw Warner next to Eli when the offense came off the field. A major issue with Warner's play for the Giants was that Coughlin made Warner try to fit the Giants' system rather than adapting their system to his strengths, which I always thought was very short-sighted. Another testament to his character: signing autographs in Albany. He stayed to sign after everyone else had gone. I asked a guy who attended frequently, and he said that Warner did that every day.
@ShaunOHara60
That was tough on all of us bro..And of course you Handled it Like a Champ & with Pure Class!! Except for the end of the year gift Rolling on the floor laughing
Kurt Warner
@kurt13warner
Does the backup QB buy gifts for OL??
Danny
@Top5ive02
If u started 9 games and Eli started 7..... hmmm.... %’s show that the Vet should have handled the EOY gift In ‘04 Man shruggingMan shruggingFace with tears of joyFace with tears of joy
Kurt Warner
@kurt13warner
You are 1000% correct... I’m sure I dropped that ball on that one!! Once I was benched I was more worried about if I could find another job in NFL & just forgot about my guys upfront... no excuses my bad #60, I owe you!!
His resurgence in Arizona was amazing. I think he's been kind of dickish over the years about Eli and the Giants, but his story on the field is truly amazing.
Speaking of harboring resentment I wonder if Eli is. I know I kind of am. I remember Bradshaw was the only one who was like "Eli should pack his bags and go home." Link - ( New Window )
the concussions seemed to have distorted Warner's memory
unlike Fitz he got replaced because his performance nose dived and the season was sinking fast. The team started 4-1 and had that continued he probably would have remained the started - but the proverbial wheels fell off with him taking 24 sacks and committing 9 turnovers in the next 4 games going 1-3. Coughlin did him a favor because it would have gotten even uglier for him in those upcoming games vs. Baltimore, Philly, Pitt, etc. He's lucky that was the pre-YT era because the RZ INT he threw before half in the Chicago game gave even Kerry Collins' worst INT's a run for their money.
In his 10 total games that year he had 6 tds, 4 ints, 9 fumbles, 39 sacks, averaged just 200 ypg and he was actually held under 200 yards in his last 4. He didn't have a single multi-TD game. And he sucked the next 2 years in AZ also before his miraculous end of career run.
it's obviously a different era that's hardly worth comparing statistically but Fitzpatrick has at least won 3 of his last 4 games and played well. Not that it's necessarily the wrong decision to replace him, just that he has a much better claim to the crocodile tears Warner milks every time a veteran QB gets replaced by a rookie. He has fetishized these moments like Mercury Morris and undefeated teams losing.
Warner was empathizing with how Fitz must feel, since he went through something similar. And he also made a point to say that Fitz is playing better than he was.
There is a very strong argument to be made that from 06-10 Warner was the better player.
Worked out well for both giants and cardinals and outside of the HOF stuff not sure Warner is really ever unfair towards Eli. This seems like an overly defensive reaction by BBI compared to what he actually said.
How and why is K Warner like a spokesperson for the Giants like he is LT or Phil Simms or something?
I mean I never hear Kerry Collins chimming in his 2 cents about Eli or Jones or this Defense or anything.
This guy who I liked a whole lot more when he was on the Rams; was a Journeyman ; he played liked 9 games in a Giants uniform? I actually liked him except for all his dumb comments and not to mention it seems like Ancient history now anyway.
Although disappointed, he definitely did mentor Eli. Eli consistently said so that year, and during games, we almost always saw Warner next to Eli when the offense came off the field. A major issue with Warner's play for the Giants was that Coughlin made Warner try to fit the Giants' system rather than adapting their system to his strengths, which I always thought was very short-sighted. Another testament to his character: signing autographs in Albany. He stayed to sign after everyone else had gone. I asked a guy who attended frequently, and he said that Warner did that every day.
The offense was designed for Eli Manning, not the interim qb which everyone knew was Warner's role.
RE: I think you're reading too much into what he said
Warner was empathizing with how Fitz must feel, since he went through something similar. And he also made a point to say that Fitz is playing better than he was.
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(& i wasn’t playing as well as Fitz)
I know. Warner said nothing that should offend anyone. He goes on to say how the move worked out very well for the G-men.
Warner was an excellent qb and an amazing story. From Iowa Barnstormers to a 12 year career, three Super Bowl appearances and threw for 300+ yards in every one. The amount of shit he gets around here, you'd think he spit on your mothers.
in his last 2 seasons in StL, and I don't think the cobwebs had cleared yet when he was playing for the Giants. That, and the offense wasn't well-suited for him. That half-season off may have been the best thing to happen for him, as it allowed him to get healthy.
What I don't get is the need for some Giants fans to take shots at him.
There is a very strong argument to be made that from 06-10 Warner was the better player.
Worked out well for both giants and cardinals and outside of the HOF stuff not sure Warner is really ever unfair towards Eli. This seems like an overly defensive reaction by BBI compared to what he actually said.
From 04-06 Warner was not very good. Including his 5 wins with the Giants he was 8-16 and he had 23 tds / 18 ints / 31 fumbles.
Over that same period of time Eli was 20-19 with 54 tds, 44 ints, and 21 fumbles.
Point being there's not much of an argument that Warner was the better player when he was replaced by Eli. He was playing very poorly and while obviously a #1 overall pick is going to get on the field eventually, he seems to abdicate his own performance as a factor in that decision. And as others have mentioned that he knew he was coming here to be a mentor to Eli in the first place.
His resurgence from 2007-2009 at age 36 was both remarkable and completely unpredictable. That was not the same player that played for the Giants.
But at the time, I remember Kurt was bitter about it and it seemed like for about five years of so, he seemed anti-Giants working the NFL Network.
Am I wrong about that?
But at the time, I remember Kurt was bitter about it and it seemed like for about five years of so, he seemed anti-Giants working the NFL Network.
Am I wrong about that?
5-4.
Lost back to back games against Josh McCown of the Cardinals and to the immortal Craig Krenzel of the Bears.
Warner was holding onto the ball forever and had a few bad fumbles.
Quote:
We were 5-2 I believe and the announcement came that Tom was switching to Eli. I believe there was something about Kurt's sore thumb and of course going with the future in Eli.
But at the time, I remember Kurt was bitter about it and it seemed like for about five years of so, he seemed anti-Giants working the NFL Network.
Am I wrong about that?
5-4.
Lost back to back games against Josh McCown of the Cardinals and to the immortal Craig Krenzel of the Bears.
Warner was holding onto the ball forever and had a few bad fumbles.
Correct, Warner's fumbling was killing the Giants. They needed to make the change.
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Did you even see what Kurt wrote?
+1... clearly it is still bugging him
... but there's just enough ambiguity there, and us (BBI) knowing how Eli CAN be dry at times with his humor/sarcasm ... was he taking a little bit of a shot? Subtly?
Like I said. Maybe not. Hell, probably not.
But just ... Eli ... and he HAD to know Kurt took some shitty shots in those early years. I don't think Kurt was anything close to a "class act." I do admit, I have no idea what type of mentor he was or became, considering he was only with the Giants for 7 more games.
That was tough on all of us bro..And of course you Handled it Like a Champ & with Pure Class!! Except for the end of the year gift Rolling on the floor laughing
Kurt Warner
@kurt13warner
Does the backup QB buy gifts for OL??
Danny
@Top5ive02
If u started 9 games and Eli started 7..... hmmm.... %’s show that the Vet should have handled the EOY gift In ‘04 Man shruggingMan shruggingFace with tears of joyFace with tears of joy
Kurt Warner
@kurt13warner
You are 1000% correct... I’m sure I dropped that ball on that one!! Once I was benched I was more worried about if I could find another job in NFL & just forgot about my guys upfront... no excuses my bad #60, I owe you!!
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Kurt
+1... clearly it is still bugging him
You are both dumb as rocks
Speaking of harboring resentment I wonder if Eli is. I know I kind of am. I remember Bradshaw was the only one who was like "Eli should pack his bags and go home."
Link - ( New Window )
In his 10 total games that year he had 6 tds, 4 ints, 9 fumbles, 39 sacks, averaged just 200 ypg and he was actually held under 200 yards in his last 4. He didn't have a single multi-TD game. And he sucked the next 2 years in AZ also before his miraculous end of career run.
it's obviously a different era that's hardly worth comparing statistically but Fitzpatrick has at least won 3 of his last 4 games and played well. Not that it's necessarily the wrong decision to replace him, just that he has a much better claim to the crocodile tears Warner milks every time a veteran QB gets replaced by a rookie. He has fetishized these moments like Mercury Morris and undefeated teams losing.
Worked out well for both giants and cardinals and outside of the HOF stuff not sure Warner is really ever unfair towards Eli. This seems like an overly defensive reaction by BBI compared to what he actually said.
I mean I never hear Kerry Collins chimming in his 2 cents about Eli or Jones or this Defense or anything.
This guy who I liked a whole lot more when he was on the Rams; was a Journeyman ; he played liked 9 games in a Giants uniform? I actually liked him except for all his dumb comments and not to mention it seems like Ancient history now anyway.
Quote:
(& i wasn’t playing as well as Fitz)
Warner was an excellent qb and an amazing story. From Iowa Barnstormers to a 12 year career, three Super Bowl appearances and threw for 300+ yards in every one. The amount of shit he gets around here, you'd think he spit on your mothers.
What I don't get is the need for some Giants fans to take shots at him.
Worked out well for both giants and cardinals and outside of the HOF stuff not sure Warner is really ever unfair towards Eli. This seems like an overly defensive reaction by BBI compared to what he actually said.
From 04-06 Warner was not very good. Including his 5 wins with the Giants he was 8-16 and he had 23 tds / 18 ints / 31 fumbles.
Over that same period of time Eli was 20-19 with 54 tds, 44 ints, and 21 fumbles.
Point being there's not much of an argument that Warner was the better player when he was replaced by Eli. He was playing very poorly and while obviously a #1 overall pick is going to get on the field eventually, he seems to abdicate his own performance as a factor in that decision. And as others have mentioned that he knew he was coming here to be a mentor to Eli in the first place.
His resurgence from 2007-2009 at age 36 was both remarkable and completely unpredictable. That was not the same player that played for the Giants.