due to his handing money out to players immediately after the National Championship Game last year and of course his other poor behaviors that day. OBJ being OBJ - ( New Window )
but wonder if he were on a team with stronger leadership (owner, GM, coaches, captains) if things would be different for him.
I feel like players like him need to be their true selves to excel, and sometimes that means being arrogant, diva-ish, self centered, etc. but also can they still do that but be a functioning part of a team.
The talent is unquestioned, but sometimes it's not enough.
Anyway, this doesn't make me gleeful like some fans. It's sad.
individually, none of them are all that bad. But looking at them in total, it's just absurd how often this guy is in the news for the wrong reasons. It doesn't seem like he's a "bad guy"...but he might just be a dummy.
but wonder if he were on a team with stronger leadership (owner, GM, coaches, captains) if things would be different for him.
I feel like players like him need to be their true selves to excel, and sometimes that means being arrogant, diva-ish, self centered, etc. but also can they still do that but be a functioning part of a team.
The talent is unquestioned, but sometimes it's not enough.
Anyway, this doesn't make me gleeful like some fans. It's sad.
Well, the Giants had that when he was drafted. But Coughlin and co. sold their souls to the devil and enabled Beckham instead of correcting/teaching him, or punishing him. And in doing so lost their credibility. And eventually their jobs..
but wonder if he were on a team with stronger leadership (owner, GM, coaches, captains) if things would be different for him.
I feel like players like him need to be their true selves to excel, and sometimes that means being arrogant, diva-ish, self centered, etc. but also can they still do that but be a functioning part of a team.
The talent is unquestioned, but sometimes it's not enough.
Anyway, this doesn't make me gleeful like some fans. It's sad.
Well, the Giants had that when he was drafted. But Coughlin and co. sold their souls to the devil and enabled Beckham instead of correcting/teaching him, or punishing him. And in doing so lost their credibility. And eventually their jobs..
but wonder if he were on a team with stronger leadership
I know this absolutely was not your intent, but it seems some people (not necessarily you) are blaming everyone else around him. He is an adult and needs to make adult decisions.
I have heard all kinds of excuses...
First it was Eli, our OC, Baker Mayfield, etc etc
At what point does he actually get blamed for his sub par performance or stupid actions off of the field?
In 10 years his career will be over and we will be having debates on this website as to whether he makes the hall of fame.
In 15-20 years we will be seeing posts here about how OBJ is the most talented WR who is not in the HOF. Well... maybe he will make Twitter's hall of fame because that is apparently more important to him.
but wonder if he were on a team with stronger leadership (owner, GM, coaches, captains) if things would be different for him.
I feel like players like him need to be their true selves to excel, and sometimes that means being arrogant, diva-ish, self centered, etc. but also can they still do that but be a functioning part of a team.
The talent is unquestioned, but sometimes it's not enough.
Anyway, this doesn't make me gleeful like some fans. It's sad.
Well, the Giants had that when he was drafted. But Coughlin and co. sold their souls to the devil and enabled Beckham instead of correcting/teaching him, or punishing him. And in doing so lost their credibility. And eventually their jobs..
so then they didn't have strong leaders.
I guess at some point having the job became more important than doing the job to TC.
but wonder if he were on a team with stronger leadership
I know this absolutely was not your intent, but it seems some people (not necessarily you) are blaming everyone else around him. He is an adult and needs to make adult decisions.
I have heard all kinds of excuses...
First it was Eli, our OC, Baker Mayfield, etc etc
At what point does he actually get blamed for his sub par performance or stupid actions off of the field?
In 10 years his career will be over and we will be having debates on this website as to whether he makes the hall of fame.
In 15-20 years we will be seeing posts here about how OBJ is the most talented WR who is not in the HOF. Well... maybe he will make Twitter's hall of fame because that is apparently more important to him.
good post. we all should look in the mirror first.
but wonder if he were on a team with stronger leadership
I know this absolutely was not your intent, but it seems some people (not necessarily you) are blaming everyone else around him. He is an adult and needs to make adult decisions.
I have heard all kinds of excuses...
First it was Eli, our OC, Baker Mayfield, etc etc
At what point does he actually get blamed for his sub par performance or stupid actions off of the field?
In 10 years his career will be over and we will be having debates on this website as to whether he makes the hall of fame.
In 15-20 years we will be seeing posts here about how OBJ is the most talented WR who is not in the HOF. Well... maybe he will make Twitter's hall of fame because that is apparently more important to him.
That's a myopic way of looking at it. My post had nothing to do with blame.
He deserves all the blame if that's your thing, but if I were part of a football team front office or coaching staff, how does blaming Beckham for his own demise solve anything?
It doesn't, but as a franchise when you draft an young man, it's an investment, a first round pick is a massive investment outside of a LT contact it's the biggest investment a team can make in a player, so my post was less about accountability or blame and almost exclusively about protecting your investment.
but wonder if he were on a team with stronger leadership (owner, GM, coaches, captains) if things would be different for him.
I feel like players like him need to be their true selves to excel, and sometimes that means being arrogant, diva-ish, self centered, etc. but also can they still do that but be a functioning part of a team.
The talent is unquestioned, but sometimes it's not enough.
Anyway, this doesn't make me gleeful like some fans. It's sad.
Well, the Giants had that when he was drafted. But Coughlin and co. sold their souls to the devil and enabled Beckham instead of correcting/teaching him, or punishing him. And in doing so lost their credibility. And eventually their jobs..
so then they didn't have strong leaders.
I guess at some point having the job became more important than doing the job to TC.
individually, none of them are all that bad. But looking at them in total, it's just absurd how often this guy is in the news for the wrong reasons. It doesn't seem like he's a "bad guy"...but he might just be a dummy.
but wonder if he were on a team with stronger leadership (owner, GM, coaches, captains) if things would be different for him.
I feel like players like him need to be their true selves to excel, and sometimes that means being arrogant, diva-ish, self centered, etc. but also can they still do that but be a functioning part of a team.
The talent is unquestioned, but sometimes it's not enough.
Anyway, this doesn't make me gleeful like some fans. It's sad.
Well, the Giants had that when he was drafted. But Coughlin and co. sold their souls to the devil and enabled Beckham instead of correcting/teaching him, or punishing him. And in doing so lost their credibility. And eventually their jobs..
so then they didn't have strong leaders.
I guess at some point having the job became more important than doing the job to TC.
Maybe, but Shockey and Plax were coddled as well.
Shockey was by Fassel. If you recall Plax was fined and punished many times to no avail. He had to learn the hard way. He admitted it later on.
Beckham is averaging the same this year as he has every season
His mind and brain work differently than even most other football players, and most other athletes, never mind the general public.
He seems to be a very emotional person. People toss around "dumb" and "stupid" but I think intelligence isn't exactly the issue. I think he lacks impulse control. In that respect, he's kind of childlike — child-ish if you re being uncharitable. He is super competitive, but loses control so easily. We all lose control occasionally, but with him it's a regular occurrence.
He may some day "grow up" or "mature" and look back on how he acted now and shake his head. But I dunno, maybe he's just... different.
but wonder if he were on a team with stronger leadership (owner, GM, coaches, captains) if things would be different for him.
I feel like players like him need to be their true selves to excel, and sometimes that means being arrogant, diva-ish, self centered, etc. but also can they still do that but be a functioning part of a team.
The talent is unquestioned, but sometimes it's not enough.
Anyway, this doesn't make me gleeful like some fans. It's sad.
Well, the Giants had that when he was drafted. But Coughlin and co. sold their souls to the devil and enabled Beckham instead of correcting/teaching him, or punishing him. And in doing so lost their credibility. And eventually their jobs..
so then they didn't have strong leaders.
This isn't worth the fight - Victor has already decided that this is the hill he wants to die on.
since we traded him: 3.8 catches per game and 55 yds per game. HOF my ass
Every season since we traded him...
It's been one season and then this year's games. And that's not what his y/g avg was last year anyway. Not that his numbers were wildly better (65 y/g), but for the sake of accuracy, your point is flat out wrong.
Was your post intended to be misleading, or just bad with words and numbers?
LSU in the SEC banning a guy for handing out 20 $100
bills is like the madam of the whorehouse banning one of the girls for wearing her skirts too short. His real crime was not handing out cash directly and not through the boosters like everyone else.
Some of you people take every opportunity to piss all over OBJ like he spit on your mother. It is a peculiarity of the small town ways of NYC that everything get turned into a morality play. And for all the shots at TC, he got the best out of OBJ and in the NFL, that's the bottom line - get the most you can out of a diverse group of individuals.
Certainly very few HERE give a shit NOW.
Continues to be a great move. And yeah, electric player for a few minutes. AMF!!!
I feel like players like him need to be their true selves to excel, and sometimes that means being arrogant, diva-ish, self centered, etc. but also can they still do that but be a functioning part of a team.
The talent is unquestioned, but sometimes it's not enough.
Anyway, this doesn't make me gleeful like some fans. It's sad.
I feel like players like him need to be their true selves to excel, and sometimes that means being arrogant, diva-ish, self centered, etc. but also can they still do that but be a functioning part of a team.
The talent is unquestioned, but sometimes it's not enough.
Anyway, this doesn't make me gleeful like some fans. It's sad.
Well, the Giants had that when he was drafted. But Coughlin and co. sold their souls to the devil and enabled Beckham instead of correcting/teaching him, or punishing him. And in doing so lost their credibility. And eventually their jobs..
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but wonder if he were on a team with stronger leadership (owner, GM, coaches, captains) if things would be different for him.
I feel like players like him need to be their true selves to excel, and sometimes that means being arrogant, diva-ish, self centered, etc. but also can they still do that but be a functioning part of a team.
The talent is unquestioned, but sometimes it's not enough.
Anyway, this doesn't make me gleeful like some fans. It's sad.
Well, the Giants had that when he was drafted. But Coughlin and co. sold their souls to the devil and enabled Beckham instead of correcting/teaching him, or punishing him. And in doing so lost their credibility. And eventually their jobs..
so then they didn't have strong leaders.
I know this absolutely was not your intent, but it seems some people (not necessarily you) are blaming everyone else around him. He is an adult and needs to make adult decisions.
I have heard all kinds of excuses...
First it was Eli, our OC, Baker Mayfield, etc etc
At what point does he actually get blamed for his sub par performance or stupid actions off of the field?
In 10 years his career will be over and we will be having debates on this website as to whether he makes the hall of fame.
In 15-20 years we will be seeing posts here about how OBJ is the most talented WR who is not in the HOF. Well... maybe he will make Twitter's hall of fame because that is apparently more important to him.
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but wonder if he were on a team with stronger leadership (owner, GM, coaches, captains) if things would be different for him.
I feel like players like him need to be their true selves to excel, and sometimes that means being arrogant, diva-ish, self centered, etc. but also can they still do that but be a functioning part of a team.
The talent is unquestioned, but sometimes it's not enough.
Anyway, this doesn't make me gleeful like some fans. It's sad.
Well, the Giants had that when he was drafted. But Coughlin and co. sold their souls to the devil and enabled Beckham instead of correcting/teaching him, or punishing him. And in doing so lost their credibility. And eventually their jobs..
so then they didn't have strong leaders.
I guess at some point having the job became more important than doing the job to TC.
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but wonder if he were on a team with stronger leadership
I know this absolutely was not your intent, but it seems some people (not necessarily you) are blaming everyone else around him. He is an adult and needs to make adult decisions.
I have heard all kinds of excuses...
First it was Eli, our OC, Baker Mayfield, etc etc
At what point does he actually get blamed for his sub par performance or stupid actions off of the field?
In 10 years his career will be over and we will be having debates on this website as to whether he makes the hall of fame.
In 15-20 years we will be seeing posts here about how OBJ is the most talented WR who is not in the HOF. Well... maybe he will make Twitter's hall of fame because that is apparently more important to him.
good post. we all should look in the mirror first.
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but wonder if he were on a team with stronger leadership
I know this absolutely was not your intent, but it seems some people (not necessarily you) are blaming everyone else around him. He is an adult and needs to make adult decisions.
I have heard all kinds of excuses...
First it was Eli, our OC, Baker Mayfield, etc etc
At what point does he actually get blamed for his sub par performance or stupid actions off of the field?
In 10 years his career will be over and we will be having debates on this website as to whether he makes the hall of fame.
In 15-20 years we will be seeing posts here about how OBJ is the most talented WR who is not in the HOF. Well... maybe he will make Twitter's hall of fame because that is apparently more important to him.
That's a myopic way of looking at it. My post had nothing to do with blame.
He deserves all the blame if that's your thing, but if I were part of a football team front office or coaching staff, how does blaming Beckham for his own demise solve anything?
It doesn't, but as a franchise when you draft an young man, it's an investment, a first round pick is a massive investment outside of a LT contact it's the biggest investment a team can make in a player, so my post was less about accountability or blame and almost exclusively about protecting your investment.
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but wonder if he were on a team with stronger leadership (owner, GM, coaches, captains) if things would be different for him.
I feel like players like him need to be their true selves to excel, and sometimes that means being arrogant, diva-ish, self centered, etc. but also can they still do that but be a functioning part of a team.
The talent is unquestioned, but sometimes it's not enough.
Anyway, this doesn't make me gleeful like some fans. It's sad.
Well, the Giants had that when he was drafted. But Coughlin and co. sold their souls to the devil and enabled Beckham instead of correcting/teaching him, or punishing him. And in doing so lost their credibility. And eventually their jobs..
so then they didn't have strong leaders.
I guess at some point having the job became more important than doing the job to TC.
Maybe, but Shockey and Plax were coddled as well.
That's a good way to put it.
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but wonder if he were on a team with stronger leadership (owner, GM, coaches, captains) if things would be different for him.
I feel like players like him need to be their true selves to excel, and sometimes that means being arrogant, diva-ish, self centered, etc. but also can they still do that but be a functioning part of a team.
The talent is unquestioned, but sometimes it's not enough.
Anyway, this doesn't make me gleeful like some fans. It's sad.
Well, the Giants had that when he was drafted. But Coughlin and co. sold their souls to the devil and enabled Beckham instead of correcting/teaching him, or punishing him. And in doing so lost their credibility. And eventually their jobs..
so then they didn't have strong leaders.
I guess at some point having the job became more important than doing the job to TC.
Maybe, but Shockey and Plax were coddled as well.
Shockey was by Fassel. If you recall Plax was fined and punished many times to no avail. He had to learn the hard way. He admitted it later on.
That's a myopic way of looking at it. My post had nothing to do with blame.
Yeah.. I started out my reply by saying I know this was not your intent PJ
He seems to be a very emotional person. People toss around "dumb" and "stupid" but I think intelligence isn't exactly the issue. I think he lacks impulse control. In that respect, he's kind of childlike — child-ish if you re being uncharitable. He is super competitive, but loses control so easily. We all lose control occasionally, but with him it's a regular occurrence.
He may some day "grow up" or "mature" and look back on how he acted now and shake his head. But I dunno, maybe he's just... different.
You think Cleveland will let us take him back?
If we beg and plea?
How About giving them those draft picks back?
Please stop. It was the right move getting him out.
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but wonder if he were on a team with stronger leadership (owner, GM, coaches, captains) if things would be different for him.
I feel like players like him need to be their true selves to excel, and sometimes that means being arrogant, diva-ish, self centered, etc. but also can they still do that but be a functioning part of a team.
The talent is unquestioned, but sometimes it's not enough.
Anyway, this doesn't make me gleeful like some fans. It's sad.
Well, the Giants had that when he was drafted. But Coughlin and co. sold their souls to the devil and enabled Beckham instead of correcting/teaching him, or punishing him. And in doing so lost their credibility. And eventually their jobs..
so then they didn't have strong leaders.
This isn't worth the fight - Victor has already decided that this is the hill he wants to die on.
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That's a myopic way of looking at it. My post had nothing to do with blame.
Yeah.. I started out my reply by saying I know this was not your intent PJ
Sorry, Eric. My fault.
Every season since we traded him...
It's been one season and then this year's games. And that's not what his y/g avg was last year anyway. Not that his numbers were wildly better (65 y/g), but for the sake of accuracy, your point is flat out wrong.
Was your post intended to be misleading, or just bad with words and numbers?
Some of you people take every opportunity to piss all over OBJ like he spit on your mother. It is a peculiarity of the small town ways of NYC that everything get turned into a morality play. And for all the shots at TC, he got the best out of OBJ and in the NFL, that's the bottom line - get the most you can out of a diverse group of individuals.
More likely is that in two years there will still be weekly if not daily posts about OBJ. We seem obsessed.
Fassel had Shockey for 2 years, TC had him for 4...lol. And regarding Plax, it took TC 4 years to finally do more than just fine him.