Can the Giants win this division?

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We just win one more game...jeeze

but it’s possible with how awful the division is.

Can beat a non-Washington team in this division for a change.

It’d be great to beat the Eagles & Cowboys sometime.

but it has to start with a win in Philly because they will eventually get healthy. And when they do, they will be the prohibitive favorite (baring more injuries).

It's going to be a race to 6 wins. First one there will very likely win the Least.

A win by default is a possibility

if they want to have any shot they absolutely must win tomorrow night. So let's have this conversation on Friday.

It'd be pretty funny if we can't.

the other day that he's starting to like us to win the division.

That means we're fucking doomed.

In comment 15017195 bw in dc said:

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but it has to start with a win in Philly because they will eventually get healthy. And when they do, they will be the prohibitive favorite (baring more injuries). It's going to be a race to 6 wins. First one there will very likely win the Least.

Yup. Have to beat Philly. If we do then I think its' very much in play. We lose and the Skins lose to Dallas I think the season is over.

Thursday is almost a must win.

Some of Coughlin's "Only 9 Wins" seasons we used to be frustrated by, would give us the division running away this year.

I miss the days when 7-9 win seasons were a disgrace. Starting every season at 6-2 or 5-3 was a delight compared to this, even with our second half collapses.

Like others have said, have to beat Philly. Our team is likely to improve as the season goes on because of how young it is. Some confidence right now would do wonders.

in this terrible NFC East division.

Until then, I don’t think so

With a 7-9 record I'd give them a 50-50 shot.

First, win tomorrow night, then ask again.

Would need to go 6-3 the rest of the way.
Oct 22 at Eagles-Win
Nov 2 Buccaneers-Loss
Nov 8 at Washington-Win
Nov 15 Eagles-Win
Nov 29 at Bengals-Win
Dec 6 at Seahawks-Loss
Dec 20 Browns-Win
Dec 27 at Ravens-Loss
Jan 3 Cowboys-Win
Is it possible? yes probably? no
7-9 probably wins the division if you go 5-1 in the division

In comment 15017236 larryflower37 said:

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Would need to go 6-3 the rest of the way. Oct 22 at Eagles-Win Nov 2 Buccaneers-Loss Nov 8 at Washington-Win Nov 15 Eagles-Win Nov 29 at Bengals-Win Dec 6 at Seahawks-Loss Dec 20 Browns-Win Dec 27 at Ravens-Loss Jan 3 Cowboys-Win Is it possible? yes probably? no 7-9 probably wins the division if you go 5-1 in the division

I did the same exercise yesterday with Matt M. I just couldn't give a W for the Nov 15th game v Philly. I think they will be much healthier and ready to roll. So I got to six wins.

But the one I struggled with was the Browns game. They will be coming off the Ravens game, which you have to assume they will lose, and will have the next two with NYG and NYJ, and then the season ends with Pittsburgh. So they are going to desperately need those two wins versus the MetLife boys...

In comment 15017244 bw in dc said:

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In comment 15017236 larryflower37 said: Quote: Would need to go 6-3 the rest of the way. Oct 22 at Eagles-Win Nov 2 Buccaneers-Loss Nov 8 at Washington-Win Nov 15 Eagles-Win Nov 29 at Bengals-Win Dec 6 at Seahawks-Loss Dec 20 Browns-Win Dec 27 at Ravens-Loss Jan 3 Cowboys-Win Is it possible? yes probably? no 7-9 probably wins the division if you go 5-1 in the division I did the same exercise yesterday with Matt M. I just couldn't give a W for the Nov 15th game v Philly. I think they will be much healthier and ready to roll. So I got to six wins. But the one I struggled with was the Browns game. They will be coming off the Ravens game, which you have to assume they will lose, and will have the next two with NYG and NYJ, and then the season ends with Pittsburgh. So they are going to desperately need those two wins versus the MetLife boys...

I miss the Arizona game in there but I had it as a loss
Browns and Tampa are games I question.
Tampa, Browns, and Arizona have been up and down could steal a wins there too

Tests or injuries on other nfl East teams and yes. Could happen.

“Are you 🥜 “

Lets take it one game at a time. Lets show inprovement in each game.

Assuming all 4 wins are within the division, starting with tomorrow night, and the division continues to be terrible.

Five thirty eight did the analysis on it, it's one of their 'doomsday sceanrios' where they pick the worst possible records to win the division.

But this division is so bad....

In comment 15017284 BH28 said:

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Assuming all 4 wins are within the division, starting with tomorrow night, and the division continues to be terrible. Five thirty eight did the analysis on it, it's one of their 'doomsday sceanrios' where they pick the worst possible records to win the division.

I saw that, too.

And here's the kicker - that may be enough to keep Gettleman in his job. He'd have "won" a divisional title... ;)

That's if there is any room left.

if we win against eagles then something might start to happen with this team..

In comment 15017291 bw in dc said:

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In comment 15017284 BH28 said: Quote: Assuming all 4 wins are within the division, starting with tomorrow night, and the division continues to be terrible. Five thirty eight did the analysis on it, it's one of their 'doomsday sceanrios' where they pick the worst possible records to win the division. I saw that, too. And here's the kicker - that may be enough to keep Gettleman in his job. He'd have "won" a divisional title... ;)

Worst thing about making the playoffs with a losing record is the shittier draft position. Can you imagine winning 4 games and picking 18th or higher?

Is there such a thing as less than 0% chance?

Sign me up for that.

but we have some "nearly guaranteed losses":

Vs Bucs
At Seahawks
Vs Cardinals
At Ravens

so that puts us at 7 wins max (current 5 losses plus 4 more).

Where are the other wins?

At Wash?
At Bengals?
Vs Cowboys?

But also would likely need two here:

At Eagles tomorrow
Vs Browns
Vs Eagles


That would be 6 - 10. Not sure that will do it.

In comment 15017317 Trainmaster said:

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but we have some "nearly guaranteed losses": Vs Bucs At Seahawks Vs Cardinals At Ravens so that puts us at 7 wins max (current 5 losses plus 4 more). Where are the other wins? At Wash? At Bengals? Vs Cowboys? But also would likely need two here: At Eagles tomorrow Vs Browns Vs Eagles That would be 6 - 10. Not sure that will do it.

Now that you lay it out so nicely, I see 2-14.

3-14 if we punch above our weight.

Get dyslexic people to either report the scores for the rest of the season or to post the final official standings ... but not both ...

In comment 15017301 BH28 said:

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Worst thing about making the playoffs with a losing record is the shittier draft position. Can you imagine winning 4 games and picking 18th or higher?

That would be so Giants.

This would take.

I'd say yes if we had some passing offence

thanks to a stupid decision to go for two at games end. 6-10 would win division and is not of the realm of possibility however win a convincing game first.

The team that can come together and run off a handful of wins will control their own destiny.

This team has a lot of holes so who knows, but I like Judge for being the kind of coach that gets his team buying into the idea that they can do just that. This stretch will determine whether or not they can pull it off.

and 7 wins guarantees a playoff spot and a good chance it will be 6. NFC BEAST

so as much as everyone wants to write the obit on the season and Gettleman, and to a lesser degree Jones, tomorrow's game is actually a pretty real potential turning point.

But if they can beat the Eagles, especially if Jones starts producing the way he did last year in this new offense, why can't they win this dog shit division?

In comment 15017293 LBH15 said:

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That's if there is any room left.

I had developed a soft spot for you for some reason when you were Googs. This new version of you has completely lost me. You’re an absolute dumpster fire with nothing of value to add.

Come on, Googs. Be better. This is getting ridiculous now my friend.

No.

about how historically pathetic the NFC East is ("there are half a dozen teams with more wins thus far than the entire NFC East combined") caught my eye as I was checking my email from work this morning. He basically said that WAS is infuriating with Ron Rivera trying to turn the team around; that PHI has been decimated by injuries; how DAL has lost its heart & soul with Dak being knocked out for the season; and how the Giants are just plain incompetent.

The crux of it was that the Giants are the worst of the worst. Sobering.

I think they may be able to beat Washington again, but it's a coin flip. They may be able to beat Cincinnati, but that's also a coin flip. Beating Philly or the Cowboys? I really have a hard time believing they can do that right now, or any of the other teams we will be facing.

I've been turning this in my mind, and this is a well-coached team, but there are relatively few areas of the Giants game you can rely on besides Bradberry, Martinez and the front combo of Williams and Tomlinson on Defense; Freeman and Tate on Offense; and Gano on Special teams; and as bad as the Cowboys and Philly are, they are better than the Giants; there's really not enough horses right now.

In comment 15017426 gidiefor said:

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I think they may be able to beat Washington again, but it's a coin flip. They may be able to beat Cincinnati, but that's also a coin flip. Beating Philly or the Cowboys? I really have a hard time believing they can do that right now, or any of the other teams we will be facing. I've been turning this in my mind, and this is a well-coached team, but there are relatively few areas of the Giants game you can rely on besides Bradberry, Martinez and the front combo of Williams and Tomlinson on Defense; Freeman and Tate on Offense; and Gano on Special teams; and as bad as the Cowboys and Philly are, they are better than the Giants; there's really not enough horses right now.

Say what you want about your opinions of this team, but how anyone on the planet can watch that game last Week against Dallas and come away with the idea that “ I have a really hard time thinking they can do that right now” as far as beating Dallas, is completely mind blowing. Were we watching the same game? You honestly think they can’t beat that team?

I realize is become all the rage to trash this team on this site, but can we at least not be sheep? I know it’s easier because you won’t have to deal with the wrath of the rest of the mob, but come on now.

that they can, otherwise it’s the same old story here.

is that whomever wins the division will lead to a ton of calls for reform to the playoff qualifications so that in the future, teams with losing records can't get a bye or win their division.

Don't laugh, there was similar talk in years prior when teams that were poor made the playoffs.

In comment 15017426 gidiefor said:

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Beating Philly or the Cowboys? I really have a hard time believing they can do that right now, or any of the other teams we will be facing.

If it weren't for a couple questionable calls that called back two td's the Giants would have beaten the Cowboys and be in first place right now.

Who knows if they can get hot and win this division, but it's kind of silly to act as if the Giants have no business even being on the same field with these guys.

In comment 15017443 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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is that whomever wins the division will lead to a ton of calls for reform to the playoff qualifications so that in the future, teams with losing records can't get a bye or win their division. Don't laugh, there was similar talk in years prior when teams that were poor made the playoffs.

Nothing would surprise me with the NFL rule changes and their ability to worsen the game. But how in the world can they deny a divisional winner a spot? But the NFL always seems to defy common sense with these things so who knows.

A game that matters, regardless of the circumstances, it matters. If they are able to beat those guys, that s a big step towards a very interesting season.

Now, I m guessing there are quite a few posters who won’t feel that way, glad I m not one of them.

In comment 15017436 BigBlueShock said:

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I realize is become all the rage to trash this team on this site, but can we at least not be sheep? I know it’s easier because you won’t have to deal with the wrath of the rest of the mob, but come on now.

You think people are trashing then giants because it's 'trendy' and not related to their .160 win percentage, -51 point differential, and 31st ranked offense?

Honestly, playing the victim card as a 'positive fan' is the sheep play.

In comment 15017486 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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In comment 15017436 BigBlueShock said: Quote: I realize is become all the rage to trash this team on this site, but can we at least not be sheep? I know it’s easier because you won’t have to deal with the wrath of the rest of the mob, but come on now. You think people are trashing then giants because it's 'trendy' and not related to their .160 win percentage, -51 point differential, and 31st ranked offense? Honestly, playing the victim card as a 'positive fan' is the sheep play.

Come on Eric, that s not what he s doing, that s silly

He s right, the trend on this site is to be negative, and you re right they deserve it.

But some of us what to have some fun “this “ season. The Giants are playing a game tonight, regardless of their record, should they win, it puts some juice in This season.

I hope it is mine - GO GIANTS - F the Eagles

... but it is hard to blame some fans to have negativity.

Personally, last week was a Win on the books but it almost still felt like a loss to me the way it went down. I will take the win because I always want the Giants to win, but I am still waiting for a Win that feels like something positive. Maybe tonight? Who knows? I don't see the point of being a fan without hope though. I vote for being allowed to HOPE but also be allowed to criticize.

Its 2020, one of the most polarizing years of all time. Why not on BBI too.

If being a 6-10 team ends up winning the division, then I really don't care at all about winning the division. It means absolutely nothing to me if they are the worst team to ever make the playoffs. If the only reason you're there is because the entire division is wretched, then it really does nothing for me.

In comment 15017759 Greg from LI said:

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If being a 6-10 team ends up winning the division, then I really don't care at all about winning the division. It means absolutely nothing to me if they are the worst team to ever make the playoffs. If the only reason you're there is because the entire division is wretched, then it really does nothing for me.

On top of that, "winning" the division, despite a losing record, very likely means Gettleman is retained.

In comment 15017759 Greg from LI said:

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If being a 6-10 team ends up winning the division, then I really don't care at all about winning the division. It means absolutely nothing to me if they are the worst team to ever make the playoffs. If the only reason you're there is because the entire division is wretched, then it really does nothing for me.

I have to say, while I can see your point a little bit, I’m surprised by your take here. You don’t seem to be a guy that puts too much give a damn into “optics” or what other people have to say. Who cares how they get there or what the clowns in the media say? Not me.

We were told after both of the last two Super Bowls wins that they were the worst team to ever win a Super Bowl. You giving those back based on the opinions of idiots? Not me. Don’t give a damn what others think. I’ll take whatever we can get. I’m tired of watching the playoffs each year while the Giants sit at home. Get in any way you can.

this season has a screw loose. Put aside they may get their heads handed to them, it's another game to look forward to.

and without fail they are here every year after every win.

We beat the WFT.. and now we're talking about if we can win the division? Lol.

5-1 in the division and 6-10 wins it.

IF

Dallas goes no better than 4-5 plus loss to Giants

Philly goes no better than 4-4 plus 2 losses to Giants

Washington goes no better than 5-5

HELL even 5-11 could win it if all the wins are in the division.

Dallas goes no better than 3-6 plus a loss to Giants

Philly goes no better than 3-5 plus 2 losses to Giants

Washington goes no better than 4-6