during non-game days, I look at the long term situation and do worry if any mild success will be detrimental. (Possibly missing out on Trevor Lawrence).
During the game, once kick off happens, I can't do it. I can't find any solace in the Giants losing or seeing Jones turn the ball over. I, want so badly, for him to be the guy but I am starting to become concerned.
match up a little better against the Eagles' offense, but these games always come down to line play, where the Eagles dominate. And along with it typically more bounces go their way, not to mention the confidence and swagger. It pisses me off.
match up a little better against the Eagles' offense, but these games always come down to line play, where the Eagles dominate. And along with it typically more bounces go their way, not to mention the confidence and swagger. It pisses me off.
Eagles offensive line is beat up, Wentz is running for his life constantly..
Eagles defensive line has been bad against the run, no malik jackson is a big loss for them..
match up a little better against the Eagles' offense, but these games always come down to line play, where the Eagles dominate. And along with it typically more bounces go their way, not to mention the confidence and swagger. It pisses me off.
Eagles offensive line is beat up, Wentz is running for his life constantly..
Eagles defensive line has been bad against the run, no malik jackson is a big loss for them..
And yet it very rarely seems to matter for them when playing the Giants. Giants must take it from them, big game for both teams.
match up a little better against the Eagles' offense, but these games always come down to line play, where the Eagles dominate. And along with it typically more bounces go their way, not to mention the confidence and swagger. It pisses me off.
Eagles offensive line is beat up, Wentz is running for his life constantly..
Eagles defensive line has been bad against the run, no malik jackson is a big loss for them..
And yet it very rarely seems to matter for them when playing the Giants. Giants must take it from them, big game for both teams.
Agreed this is a game Williams, Lawrence and Tomlinson can dominate in
Mostly about the coaching staff. With the talent level on the team though there is a limit to what can be expected. I feel like the matchups could favor us but I never seem to be able to parse them very well so...
because anytime I have had any positive thoughts in the last three or four years, they have been wrong. And, I do think we have a good shot tomorrow. So, if the present trend continues, we will get annihilated
But in all seriousness, it’s an early indicator of progress for me. I’ve said week 8 and beyond is when I’d want to see real progress from a lot of the young guys. Let’s hope it comes a week early.
optimist but I'm not going to say I feel good for a second given our history vs. Philly. But this is certainly a game that we can win given the injuries Philly has dealt with. I am optimistic that we can put things together and I absolutely want to see a win just for this team's overall confidence getting two wins in a row and being very much alive in the division race. And for Judge, because I do love him thus far and I feel like he is creating a new culture, but the wins are what cement that culture. I think if we won perhaps we could look back at this game as maybe the beginning of closing the door on this crappy era of Giants football. Please god let us beat these stinking Eagles.
But... if gun to my head and had to predict the game, I would guess we lose in a heartbreaking fashion as that is and has been the Giants way for a bit now. I truly despise Garrett so far, the offense and Jones has taken a step backwards and I think it strongly falls on Garrett's shoulders. The horrible route concepts, the lack of any deep passing game (which obviously is Jones' strength), and the play-calling inspires no confidence. I think if we got out to an early 10-14 point lead, I would bet money that we would squander it. And the lack of aggression on 4th and short in plus territory throughout this season has been worrisome and I think that's the only thing I've been disappointed in Judge in, it's a different day in football and playing not to lose is not the way to win.
I really, really want Garrett to be one and done. If you look at what Joe Brady has done down in Carolina with their offense to get them to 3-3, it makes me yearn for a young offensive mind that understands the game today.
match up a little better against the Eagles' offense, but these games always come down to line play, where the Eagles dominate. And along with it typically more bounces go their way, not to mention the confidence and swagger. It pisses me off.
Are the Eagles better on the line than the Steelers, Bears, Rams (forget the 49ers, yuck)?
I'm not feeling it for tomorrow. You are right, somehow the Giants manage to screw it up.
beat those fucks I can’t feel good. I feel hopeful and I see a path to victory. But at this point when it comes to beating Philly, I’d have to see it to believe it.
- we couldn't beat the 49ers JV squad.
- we couldn't beat Dallas and their sad ass defense.
- we haven't beaten the Eagles since a meaningless end of season game in 2016.
We'll probably choke it at the end, just like we do Dallas.
Martinez, Ryan, Bradberry and a host of rotating big men up front is beginnig to play smarter and more violent football...
Much in the image Joe Judge has said he intends to build, relentless, physical, and playing situationally smart.
And I'm beginning to see flickers of this on the OL, too. There is definitely a chance we see both rookie OTs in action, doing well.
Eagles offensive line is beat up, Wentz is running for his life constantly.
And if the Giants had anyone who could rush the passer, that might mean something.
The thing about losing a bunch of OL to injuries isn't just that you have worse players on the field but they have no chemistry and very few in game reps. We have big men upfront that can over power them but Graham likes to run exotic blitz screens that can even confuse a cohesive vetern line. Expect 3-4 sacks from CBs, LBs, and safeties. Even if our "rushers" don't get home.
It's good to feel like there's an important game to look forward to, at least. But yeah, we've fallen for this before.
We need Garrett to get his head out of his ass for this one. Get Jones out of the pocket, and get him running the football himself.
If we stand Jones up in the pocket scanning the field, the eagles are going to get a defensive touchdown.
You act like he hasn't been doing that. He even ran for it in the red zone. Aside from that TD and a couple of decent passes ; his only plays were on runs against WFT. They came up short in the red zone and had to kick a little chip shot field goal after a 15 yard run . Hard for me to fathom a guy who cannot pass in the NFL. A pro league! Either the league has become Bush league or this QB is bush league. This whole look-to-run is a college QB technique for QBs who can't pass with accuracy beyond 10 yards ... I immediately turn college games like that off. It's boring. Hopefully what John Gruden did against the Chiefs last Sunday sowed he had the winning ticket and we can get back to good football again.
I would like to see Andrew thomas play well and some explosive plays. Just want to see signs of life from Jones and the offense. That being said, the Eagles are ripe with injuries. Now is the time to beat them if ever
However, my bigger hope is that the Philadelphia native, Judge, can own the Eagles during his coaching tenure. It has been a long time and would be great if he could just have their number regardless of what team he brings in. Not saying that will be the case but that would really be a happy change.
It's good to feel like there's an important game to look forward to, at least. But yeah, we've fallen for this before.
We need Garrett to get his head out of his ass for this one. Get Jones out of the pocket, and get him running the football himself.
If we stand Jones up in the pocket scanning the field, the eagles are going to get a defensive touchdown.
You act like he hasn't been doing that. He even ran for it in the red zone. Aside from that TD and a couple of decent passes ; his only plays were on runs against WFT. They came up short in the red zone and had to kick a little chip shot field goal after a 15 yard run . Hard for me to fathom a guy who cannot pass in the NFL. A pro league! Either the league has become Bush league or this QB is bush league. This whole look-to-run is a college QB technique for QBs who can't pass with accuracy beyond 10 yards ... I immediately turn college games like that off. It's boring. Hopefully what John Gruden did against the Chiefs last Sunday sowed he had the winning ticket and we can get back to good football again.
What?
T,he only way we win this game is if we run on them AND win the
turnover battle +2. The OL has been improving, especially Gates. We must run well tonight to keep the pressure off of D. Jones and our weak contingent of receivers.
I also believe if Shepard is effective, we will move the ball a bit better. Slayton must be close to 100% as well if we are to generate offense.
And for the love of God, when will Engram's speed be used by creating situations on their LB's that give him a seam to catch & run. I know Engram is likely GONE afer this year along with Solder, Tate, Zeitler but if he could just make that big catch and run tonight to keep those safeties honest it would be a big boon and help us get a win.
I want to win this division at 6 - 10. Washington is on par with us but I think D. Jones is a better QB so we ar better, if even by a point. I think I sense mutiny in Dallas. Philly is the top contender despite their offensive injuries. If we win tonight, and even if its by 1 lucky point, we are right in the race and can get three more division wins and perhaps beat Cincy?
6 - 10 can win this division, get us a playoff game and some positive motivation for the off-season. Just a real shame we lost Barkley cause with him we have some offense but without him we can be contained by good D's, which Philly is a good defense still, very well coached. Let hope D. Jones doesn't turn it over while Wentz forces a few bad ones.
I feel like this will be similar to all our games except for SF
Giants will come out ready to play, and be competitive for a while. In the end, I think we probably give up a few too many plays on defense, can’t finish in the red zone, and lose a close one.
In other words, sticking with this seasons formula
I hope we mix up our offensive plays when we start the way we did
I think Eagles will want this game. They should win division and I expect us to have problems with their defense running the ball. If we had a pass rush I would give us a solid chance.
This game, like the Niners game, is a 'trap' game if there is such a thing with a 1-5 team. The Giants confidence will get the better of them and we as fans will be tortured by another loss to the Iggles. Its happened too many times for me to mention that the Giants will rip your heart out.
It's good to feel like there's an important game to look forward to, at least. But yeah, we've fallen for this before.
We need Garrett to get his head out of his ass for this one. Get Jones out of the pocket, and get him running the football himself.
If we stand Jones up in the pocket scanning the field, the eagles are going to get a defensive touchdown.
Agree with this. Always root for a win by the Giants but no longer expect a win--no matter who the opponent. The stats tell me the Giants should be competitive, but I cannot help but feel they will help another banged up team get well quickly in a loss that will not be close.
Giant lose and they trade him, knowing full well that any hope of winning the division was just a weird pipe dream.
MS you seem VERY down about the game and though I will feel the same if your score prediction comes true(BLECH,please no!) if they trade DT then we hopefully get a draft pick or two. I think that even winning the division at this point isn't a great thing. They'd most likely get destroyed in the playoffs and your draft slot is worse. Lets look to this game for a step in the right direction. Play em tough like we always do and lose on a last second field goal like 3 of the last 4 against them. I think if thats the case we beat them in 3 or 4 weeks when we play them again and I think the same will happen when we meet Dallas. Play tough.
I think the path to victory lies in Jones playing an excellent game (even with a TO which I expect). If he can take this offense and convert in the red zone, they have a chance. The Eagles for all their issues, still have the pass rush. Honestly that is the difference in this game.
dating back to last season - I have a bunch of friends from college days that are Eagles fans, and they absolutely positively hate this Eagles team and hate Carson Wentz. It’s odd. But maybe that’s just the Philly fan in them.
dating back to last season - I have a bunch of friends from college days that are Eagles fans, and they absolutely positively hate this Eagles team and hate Carson Wentz. It’s odd. But maybe that’s just the Philly fan in them.
My friend lives in south jersey he said on the radio, he gets all thr philly stations, they have no worries about the Giants...He told me they were laughing when it came to playing the Giants
The coaches are teaching (see recent cowboy news).
Another god forbid, The OL actually improving!!!
The defense getting better!!!
During the game, once kick off happens, I can't do it. I can't find any solace in the Giants losing or seeing Jones turn the ball over. I, want so badly, for him to be the guy but I am starting to become concerned.
That went out the window Sunday. Get over it
Mark it down
Eagles offensive line is beat up, Wentz is running for his life constantly..
Eagles defensive line has been bad against the run, no malik jackson is a big loss for them..
Eagles offensive line is beat up, Wentz is running for his life constantly.
And if the Giants had anyone who could rush the passer, that might mean something.
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match up a little better against the Eagles' offense, but these games always come down to line play, where the Eagles dominate. And along with it typically more bounces go their way, not to mention the confidence and swagger. It pisses me off.
Eagles offensive line is beat up, Wentz is running for his life constantly..
Eagles defensive line has been bad against the run, no malik jackson is a big loss for them..
And yet it very rarely seems to matter for them when playing the Giants. Giants must take it from them, big game for both teams.
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match up a little better against the Eagles' offense, but these games always come down to line play, where the Eagles dominate. And along with it typically more bounces go their way, not to mention the confidence and swagger. It pisses me off.
Eagles offensive line is beat up, Wentz is running for his life constantly..
Eagles defensive line has been bad against the run, no malik jackson is a big loss for them..
And yet it very rarely seems to matter for them when playing the Giants. Giants must take it from them, big game for both teams.
Agreed this is a game Williams, Lawrence and Tomlinson can dominate in
But in all seriousness, it’s an early indicator of progress for me. I’ve said week 8 and beyond is when I’d want to see real progress from a lot of the young guys. Let’s hope it comes a week early.
But... if gun to my head and had to predict the game, I would guess we lose in a heartbreaking fashion as that is and has been the Giants way for a bit now. I truly despise Garrett so far, the offense and Jones has taken a step backwards and I think it strongly falls on Garrett's shoulders. The horrible route concepts, the lack of any deep passing game (which obviously is Jones' strength), and the play-calling inspires no confidence. I think if we got out to an early 10-14 point lead, I would bet money that we would squander it. And the lack of aggression on 4th and short in plus territory throughout this season has been worrisome and I think that's the only thing I've been disappointed in Judge in, it's a different day in football and playing not to lose is not the way to win.
I really, really want Garrett to be one and done. If you look at what Joe Brady has done down in Carolina with their offense to get them to 3-3, it makes me yearn for a young offensive mind that understands the game today.
Are the Eagles better on the line than the Steelers, Bears, Rams (forget the 49ers, yuck)?
I'm not feeling it for tomorrow. You are right, somehow the Giants manage to screw it up.
We need Garrett to get his head out of his ass for this one. Get Jones out of the pocket, and get him running the football himself.
If we stand Jones up in the pocket scanning the field, the eagles are going to get a defensive touchdown.
- we couldn't beat Dallas and their sad ass defense.
- we haven't beaten the Eagles since a meaningless end of season game in 2016.
We'll probably choke it at the end, just like we do Dallas.
Much in the image Joe Judge has said he intends to build, relentless, physical, and playing situationally smart.
And I'm beginning to see flickers of this on the OL, too. There is definitely a chance we see both rookie OTs in action, doing well.
Or not...
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Eagles offensive line is beat up, Wentz is running for his life constantly.
And if the Giants had anyone who could rush the passer, that might mean something.
The thing about losing a bunch of OL to injuries isn't just that you have worse players on the field but they have no chemistry and very few in game reps. We have big men upfront that can over power them but Graham likes to run exotic blitz screens that can even confuse a cohesive vetern line. Expect 3-4 sacks from CBs, LBs, and safeties. Even if our "rushers" don't get home.
And nope.
Eagles 31 - Giants 10
We need Garrett to get his head out of his ass for this one. Get Jones out of the pocket, and get him running the football himself.
If we stand Jones up in the pocket scanning the field, the eagles are going to get a defensive touchdown.
You act like he hasn't been doing that. He even ran for it in the red zone. Aside from that TD and a couple of decent passes ; his only plays were on runs against WFT. They came up short in the red zone and had to kick a little chip shot field goal after a 15 yard run . Hard for me to fathom a guy who cannot pass in the NFL. A pro league! Either the league has become Bush league or this QB is bush league. This whole look-to-run is a college QB technique for QBs who can't pass with accuracy beyond 10 yards ... I immediately turn college games like that off. It's boring. Hopefully what John Gruden did against the Chiefs last Sunday sowed he had the winning ticket and we can get back to good football again.
Dalvin Tomlinson Farewell Game.
Giant lose and they trade him, knowing full well that any hope of winning the division was just a weird pipe dream.
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It's good to feel like there's an important game to look forward to, at least. But yeah, we've fallen for this before.
We need Garrett to get his head out of his ass for this one. Get Jones out of the pocket, and get him running the football himself.
If we stand Jones up in the pocket scanning the field, the eagles are going to get a defensive touchdown.
You act like he hasn't been doing that. He even ran for it in the red zone. Aside from that TD and a couple of decent passes ; his only plays were on runs against WFT. They came up short in the red zone and had to kick a little chip shot field goal after a 15 yard run . Hard for me to fathom a guy who cannot pass in the NFL. A pro league! Either the league has become Bush league or this QB is bush league. This whole look-to-run is a college QB technique for QBs who can't pass with accuracy beyond 10 yards ... I immediately turn college games like that off. It's boring. Hopefully what John Gruden did against the Chiefs last Sunday sowed he had the winning ticket and we can get back to good football again.
What?
I also believe if Shepard is effective, we will move the ball a bit better. Slayton must be close to 100% as well if we are to generate offense.
And for the love of God, when will Engram's speed be used by creating situations on their LB's that give him a seam to catch & run. I know Engram is likely GONE afer this year along with Solder, Tate, Zeitler but if he could just make that big catch and run tonight to keep those safeties honest it would be a big boon and help us get a win.
I want to win this division at 6 - 10. Washington is on par with us but I think D. Jones is a better QB so we ar better, if even by a point. I think I sense mutiny in Dallas. Philly is the top contender despite their offensive injuries. If we win tonight, and even if its by 1 lucky point, we are right in the race and can get three more division wins and perhaps beat Cincy?
6 - 10 can win this division, get us a playoff game and some positive motivation for the off-season. Just a real shame we lost Barkley cause with him we have some offense but without him we can be contained by good D's, which Philly is a good defense still, very well coached. Let hope D. Jones doesn't turn it over while Wentz forces a few bad ones.
In other words, sticking with this seasons formula
We need Garrett to get his head out of his ass for this one. Get Jones out of the pocket, and get him running the football himself.
If we stand Jones up in the pocket scanning the field, the eagles are going to get a defensive touchdown.
Agree with this. Always root for a win by the Giants but no longer expect a win--no matter who the opponent. The stats tell me the Giants should be competitive, but I cannot help but feel they will help another banged up team get well quickly in a loss that will not be close.
Dalvin Tomlinson Farewell Game.
Giant lose and they trade him, knowing full well that any hope of winning the division was just a weird pipe dream.
MS you seem VERY down about the game and though I will feel the same if your score prediction comes true(BLECH,please no!) if they trade DT then we hopefully get a draft pick or two. I think that even winning the division at this point isn't a great thing. They'd most likely get destroyed in the playoffs and your draft slot is worse. Lets look to this game for a step in the right direction. Play em tough like we always do and lose on a last second field goal like 3 of the last 4 against them. I think if thats the case we beat them in 3 or 4 weeks when we play them again and I think the same will happen when we meet Dallas. Play tough.
I m not confident, how can you be, just excited and hopeful.
I m not confident, how can you be, just excited and hopeful.
Yep, excited and hopeful for this fan.
My friend lives in south jersey he said on the radio, he gets all thr philly stations, they have no worries about the Giants...He told me they were laughing when it came to playing the Giants
In our last 24 games with them, we are 4-20
In our last 24 games with them, we are 4-20
That is truly unbelievable.