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Colin Cowherd gave the Giants a little love this afternoon.

Beezer : 10/22/2020 2:11 pm
Talked about the rough start. Still, said every week, the Giants have gotten a little bit better in different things. Compared it to the Dolphins last year, being destroyed out of the gate, then actually coming together a bit in the second half to be "not terrible" by season's end.

Also said if the Giants can pull off an upset tonight, Giants fans "have to be feeling pretty good about things." (He doesn't know the majority of BBI posters, apparently.)

He cited things that several of us are looking at as "good" signs: new coach/staff, new system, young QB learning his second system in 2 years, Barkley out, no pre-season games, for reasons for the lackluster start. Also said even though the record isn't good, the Giants have been semi-competitive most weeks so far.

He referred to the Jets as a "grease fire" and to the Falcons as a "re-start," and labeled those two as the only two teams in the league that are truly done.

Added that the Giants' defense is decent.

Anyhow, just a FWIW. I don't often here him say much positive about the Giants, so ... shared it.
They get noticed for giving contrarian opinions  
Mike from Ohio : 10/22/2020 2:12 pm : link
and generating discussion. Saying a 1-5 team is abysmal doesn't generate much attention.
Well if Colin Cowherd  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 10/22/2020 2:13 pm : link
says it.. let me run to my local sportsbook and empty out my 401k BABYYYYY.
I understand.  
Beezer : 10/22/2020 2:13 pm : link
Still, he crapped on the Jets and Falcons.
I listened to the herd  
Gordo : 10/22/2020 2:14 pm : link
back when he was on ESPN. He was always giving love to the Giants, but this was back when they were winning super bowls. The one thing I enjoyed about him is he always seem to stick up for Eli when most pundits were not giving him any respect.
The bottom line problem is  
JonC : 10/22/2020 2:14 pm : link
this is where the roster and talent level are after three years of building.

I think Judge and the coaches have the players motivated and prepared, which are positives.

But, now they still need a ton of core talent and depth, and their drafting is still behind schedule.
Just was listening to several radio shows in car  
LBH15 : 10/22/2020 2:15 pm : link
and surprising lots of sports media picking Giants straight up to win this one.
There have been some very solid developments this season  
Jay on the Island : 10/22/2020 2:15 pm : link
Notably:
James Bradberry
Blake Martinez
Kyler Fackrell
Nick Gates
Matt Peart
Andrew Thomas
Dalvin Tomlinson
Dexter Lawrence
Tae Crowder
RE: They get noticed for giving contrarian opinions  
UConn4523 : 10/22/2020 2:15 pm : link
In comment 15017967 Mike from Ohio said:
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and generating discussion. Saying a 1-5 team is abysmal doesn't generate much attention.


What he's saying isn't polarizing though. People outside of BBIers who are called homers think there are things the Giants have been improving on each week.
Anyhow, I knew in posting this there would be  
Beezer : 10/22/2020 2:15 pm : link
"who cares what that ass-bag says" and "contrarian comments" posts. I get it. In the end his opinion means jack.

Still, the young teen fan that still resides in me DOES perk up a bit when a national talking head says good things about my favorite team, especially when I happen to agree, and I think mostly objectively.

Take it or leave it, all.
RE: Anyhow, I knew in posting this there would be  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 10/22/2020 2:17 pm : link
In comment 15017976 Beezer said:
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"who cares what that ass-bag says" and "contrarian comments" posts. I get it. In the end his opinion means jack.

Still, the young teen fan that still resides in me DOES perk up a bit when a national talking head says good things about my favorite team, especially when I happen to agree, and I think mostly objectively.

Take it or leave it, all.


I love you Beezer. You're in my top 5 all time favorite posters.
RE: There have been some very solid developments this season  
GoDeep13 : 10/22/2020 2:18 pm : link
In comment 15017974 Jay on the Island said:
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Notably:
James Bradberry
Blake Martinez
Kyler Fackrell
Nick Gates
Matt Peart
Andrew Thomas
Dalvin Tomlinson
Dexter Lawrence
Tae Crowder
that’s the biggest difference with Judge and other HC we’ve had in the future. I’m actually seeing guys improvising and getting better.
Don't forget Gano  
LBH15 : 10/22/2020 2:19 pm : link
guy has been pretty solid signing thus far.
RE: The bottom line problem is  
Giantimistic : 10/22/2020 2:25 pm : link
In comment 15017972 JonC said:
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this is where the roster and talent level are after three years of building.

I think Judge and the coaches have the players motivated and prepared, which are positives.

But, now they still need a ton of core talent and depth, and their drafting is still behind schedule.


This is a very accurate assessment. I agreed with Gettleman’s plan to remake the roster, build a strong oline and running game and then bring in a young QB to learn from Eli and then take over.

The problem is that when you commit to completely turn over a roster you need to have a success rate over 75 percent with the new players otherwise you are still rebuilding.

Quick rebuilds are usually with talented teams that are underperforming
with a Poor coaching staff. Easier to build on those situations.

Gettleman has found talent and good attitudes but not nearly enough to justify turning over an entire roster.

I feel like he is around a 50 percent success rate of some very good players and some huge misses and a lot of solid average role players.

2-5  
ryanmkeane : 10/22/2020 2:26 pm : link
and then 2-1 in a shitty division with our first win against Philly would be something to build on as far as confidence goes. 10 days to prepare for Tampa if we can come out of here tonight with a win. Let's get it done
first win against Philly *in forever*  
ryanmkeane : 10/22/2020 2:27 pm : link
i meant to say
you  
JonC : 10/22/2020 2:32 pm : link
are an optimistic dude, ryan, I'll give you that.
RE: RE: There have been some very solid developments this season  
Jay on the Island : 10/22/2020 2:34 pm : link
In comment 15017979 GoDeep13 said:
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In comment 15017974 Jay on the Island said:


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Notably:
James Bradberry
Blake Martinez
Kyler Fackrell
Nick Gates
Matt Peart
Andrew Thomas
Dalvin Tomlinson
Dexter Lawrence
Tae Crowder

that’s the biggest difference with Judge and other HC we’ve had in the future. I’m actually seeing guys improvising and getting better.

Yes and they actually make half time adjustments. Despite the record I am very happy so far with Joe Judge.
RE: you  
ryanmkeane : 10/22/2020 2:46 pm : link
In comment 15017995 JonC said:
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are an optimistic dude, ryan, I'll give you that.

haha. hey it's a choice i guess. but as i said, i'll eat my hat if we go 4-12 this year and look bad down the stretch, i'll admit that i was way off.
I said it on another thread....this team reminds me a helluva  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/22/2020 2:49 pm : link
lot of the Dolphins team last year. Pretty much open tryouts, developing players, fighting, and playing disciplined. The Dolphins were a tough out last year and found a way to win 5 games.
We always complain that national media is lazy about the Giants,  
81_Great_Dane : 10/22/2020 2:49 pm : link
skimming the surface and not looking at what's actually going on. Cowherd, to his credit, doesn't do that. At least he's not just dismissing the Giants because of their 1-5 and moving on to praise the Cowboys.
RE: I said it on another thread....this team reminds me a helluva  
Jay on the Island : 10/22/2020 2:54 pm : link
In comment 15018011 Zeke's Alibi said:
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lot of the Dolphins team last year. Pretty much open tryouts, developing players, fighting, and playing disciplined. The Dolphins were a tough out last year and found a way to win 5 games.

The difference is that the Dolphins went 0-7 and were outscored 134-17 in their first three games.
I dont know  
cjac : 10/22/2020 2:55 pm : link
the Falcons looked pretty good last week
F it  
bigblue5611_2 : 10/22/2020 2:59 pm : link
I'm getting on the train, let's f'n go and get a win tonight.

I know there's holes on the roster, but they're steadily improving every week and I have full confidence in Judge getting them ready each week and getting the most out of them as he can given the circumstances.
RE: There have been some very solid developments this season  
KingBlue : 10/22/2020 3:02 pm : link
In comment 15017974 Jay on the Island said:
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Notably:
James Bradberry
Blake Martinez
Kyler Fackrell
Nick Gates
Matt Peart
Andrew Thomas
Dalvin Tomlinson
Dexter Lawrence
Tae Crowder


I think you could add Gano, Logan Ryan, Leonard Williams and Riley Dixon as "solid developments"
RE: RE: I said it on another thread....this team reminds me a helluva  
Eric on Li : 10/22/2020 3:04 pm : link
In comment 15018015 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 15018011 Zeke's Alibi said:


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lot of the Dolphins team last year. Pretty much open tryouts, developing players, fighting, and playing disciplined. The Dolphins were a tough out last year and found a way to win 5 games.


The difference is that the Dolphins went 0-7 and were outscored 134-17 in their first three games.


The comparison to the Dolphins is so apt that it really makes me wonder if there's a lot more upside the even those of us that are optimistic realize (especially given the state of the division).

We know Graham and the defense are capable - because he was running their defense last year (with mostly street FA).

Can Judge/Garrett get Jones going? It's hard to not compare our offensive personnel very favorably to the Dolphins last year.

To your point this team is already well ahead of the Dolphins first half performance. What if that trend continues with the 2nd half?
I may be wrong, but I thought Cowherd was a Giants fan  
GiantBlue : 10/22/2020 3:04 pm : link
He has always been somewhat positive about them through the years when others have trashed them or underestimated them.

However, if the Giants can control the lines tonight, they will have a good shot to win. That Eagle OL and DL have destroyed our game in the past.

We need to attack their OL and protect and hope holes vs. their DL.
RE: They get noticed for giving contrarian opinions  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 10/22/2020 3:16 pm : link
In comment 15017967 Mike from Ohio said:
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and generating discussion. Saying a 1-5 team is abysmal doesn't generate much attention.


You sound like fucking Eeyore.

I wonder how some of you guys manage to get out of bed in the morning.

Dolphins  
ryanmkeane : 10/22/2020 3:18 pm : link
also have two 1sts and two 2nds in the 2021 draft. Flores seems like a really good coach. They are in a good spot moving forward if Tua is the real deal.
RE: The bottom line problem is  
santacruzom : 10/22/2020 3:23 pm : link
In comment 15017972 JonC said:
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this is where the roster and talent level are after three years of building.

I think Judge and the coaches have the players motivated and prepared, which are positives.

But, now they still need a ton of core talent and depth, and their drafting is still behind schedule.


Also, unlike the Dolphins he compared us to, we don't have as bright of a future as far as sheer amount of high draft picks are concerned.
I feel better about the Giants  
Breeze_94 : 10/22/2020 3:27 pm : link
Relative to the rest of the NFC East

Dallas has a bunch of money tied up into underperforming vets (Elliott, Tyron Smith, Jaylon Smith, Lawrence) and made a horrible mistake in hiring McCarthy.

Philly is tied to a mediocre QB, has an aging OL and DL, and minimal young talent

WFT is WFT

Giants- I think Joe Judge is the right guy for the job and they at least have young talent. Barkley, Slayton, Lawrence all are studs. Plus Martinez, Williams and Bradberry are all “young-vets” playing at a high level.

And other young guys like Thomas, Peart, Crowder, McKinney and Holmes that are developing.
RE: RE: There have been some very solid developments this season  
Bavaro_the_Mafioso : 10/22/2020 4:30 pm : link
In comment 15017979 GoDeep13 said:
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In comment 15017974 Jay on the Island said:


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Notably:
James Bradberry
Blake Martinez
Kyler Fackrell
Nick Gates
Matt Peart
Andrew Thomas
Dalvin Tomlinson
Dexter Lawrence
Tae Crowder

that’s the biggest difference with Judge and other HC we’ve had in the future. I’m actually seeing guys improvising and getting better.


Teaching and accountability do wonderful things.
RE: RE: There have been some very solid developments this season  
Jay on the Island : 10/22/2020 4:42 pm : link
In comment 15018028 KingBlue said:
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In comment 15017974 Jay on the Island said:


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Notably:
James Bradberry
Blake Martinez
Kyler Fackrell
Nick Gates
Matt Peart
Andrew Thomas
Dalvin Tomlinson
Dexter Lawrence
Tae Crowder



I think you could add Gano, Logan Ryan, Leonard Williams and Riley Dixon as "solid developments"

I didn't add them because I think all of them will be gone after the season with the exception of Dixon. I do hope that Gano is brought back. It's nice having a dependable veteran kicker again.
Gano shouldn't be going anywhere until further notice  
LBH15 : 10/22/2020 4:52 pm : link
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RE: 2-5  
CT Charlie : 10/22/2020 5:10 pm : link
In comment 15017989 ryanmkeane said:
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and then 2-1 in a shitty division with our first win against Philly would be something to build on as far as confidence goes. 10 days to prepare for Tampa if we can come out of here tonight with a win. Let's get it done


I'd love LOVE a win tonight. But didn't Tampa Bay just humiliate the then 4-0 Packers? On any Sunday, perhaps...
A bit early to call the book on Peart.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/22/2020 5:41 pm : link
Nor would I call wha Thomas has dealt with to this point a positive.

Last year Miami didn't really develop many pieces for the future  
Eric on Li : 10/22/2020 5:46 pm : link
so I think some are kind of missing the point. They traded most of their future pieces to hoard draft picks (which is also not really the point).

The point is that even with a woefully undertalented roster Flores proved that if you find the right coach you can compete and win games against good teams - which has so far carried over this year as well, albeit with an upgraded roster.
RE: Gano shouldn't be going anywhere until further notice  
BillT : 10/22/2020 6:46 pm : link
In comment 15018134 LBH15 said:
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Needs to be signed long term ASAP.
Kiss of death right there  
Greg from LI : 10/22/2020 6:49 pm : link
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I feel a lot worse about this game  
Matt M. : 10/22/2020 6:54 pm : link
after reading this.
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