we haven't stopped the offense we are playing once on an important drive at the end of the game, not once. That says everything you need to know about how good they actually are.
We stopped the 2 point conversion yes, but in terms of stopping a drive when a team is trying to come back on us we've been completely unable to do that and you can only call our defense so improved if they can't get a key stop.
I have zero issue rooting for losses. I won’t sit in front of the TV and cheer for the other team, I wanted to win that in the 4th q, but this can definitely be a better thing.
That game has nothing to do with “learning how to win” by Daniel Jones or any of the very small handful of players on the roster worth a damn. If losing gives a better chance to acquire better players, it’s the best way forward. This roster is absolute trash.
Less than 2 weeks to the trade deadline. Get me a couple 3rd or 4th round picks.
RE: I said it in the game thread, I'll say it now.
need to have a sale, and make some trades. I'd still be surprised if we did so, but not as much now that we are 1 - 6. We only have five picks next year. We need to get a few more for the next GM.
Look, I loved that long run. Loved the TD to Shepard. Loved some nice throws. The loss isn't on him. But, it was still the play that ended the game. It was still yet another fumble. It was still a 2nd turnover in a game, which happens quite a bit. He didn't lose the game, but he is not above criticism.
It was the 11th hour and he was trying to make something happen. You need to look at the situations
RE: I've officially reached the point of being concerned
Jones cost them the win. I just cannot believe it. Read Eric’s preview of this game. No OL. No playmakers. No TE. No Barkley. Please
I don't think he cost them the game. But, I am not just writing off the fumble. You can do that when it is an isolated play in a game like this. But, it is an almost weekly occurrence. It is still a reason for concern and still the play that ended (not lost) the game.
IF judge wants to preach accountability then start by holding these shit players accountable . We lost because of these 3 players tonight , mainly Engram though. He has enough of a scholarship here. Cut his ass and he will join the practice squad of the Jets
How many times did he throw the ball while being rushed tonight. Was the OL sitting back with a beer, or were they just sound asleep somewhere?
The offense is brutal, the OL is brutal, the only thing that kept them in the game was the defense, and by the end of the game they were being called on EVERY PLAY!
FIRE GETTLEMAN NOW!
The NYG franchise has become a losing one.
A game like tonight you make plays and find a way to win.
They did and have been doing the opposite as they always find a way to lose. The stench remains and is not going away..... it actually is getting stronger.
is even at 10-7 I really liked how they were playing. Felt like maybe we had something with this defense. Then we get to 21-10 and like a sucker I'm starting to think there's maybe a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel. Nope. Same old same old.
We can never enjoy a thing here. Never. We can’t have one god damned cock fucking ten day stretch where we feel ok can we. Not one fucking stretch of feel good time.... can’t enjoy the great drive in the 4th... nope! Joe this team! Oh you think u suffered enough the last few years? Ain’t done yet!!! Pay up fuckers!! Here some more shit sandwich for you to chew on.
the Eagles did everything they could to give us the game. Missed a chip shot FG, went on 4th down at the 3 instead of kicking a FG in a close game, Wentz horsed around for 2 1/2 quarters, then they get down by 11 and bing, bang, boom run up and down the field like nothing. And the Eagles were missing three wideouts, both of their tight ends, two running backs, o-linemen and they went through us like shit through a goose when it counted.
I know the tendency is to find one or two individuals to blame, but that is missing the point. The talent level on this team is abysmal. There are guys out there who don't belong in the NFL and cannot compete with other teams' 3rd and 4th stringers. That's the bottom line.
Needs help they need to get a 6 second clock at practice for him it’s that simple he’s got to get the ball out in 6 or less. These bums he’s being forced to play with are surely destroying his faith from all aspects.
Guys— this is the worst I’ve felt after a Giants loss
In a long LONG time. Like I mean maybe since 2010. That sounds dramatic but there’s something about this one that stings so, so bad. I can’t even fully put my finger on it. Maybe it’s just the fact the awful seasons are just piling up and piling up, and here it really felt like we may have had a real symbolic breakthrough with that 97 yard drive to go up 21-10, all just to see the lead disappear in minutes. Add on the fact it’s the Eagles, in Philly, it’s our 8th straight loss to them, and the fact this game ACTUALLY meant something for control in the division, and.... I just feel absolutely awful guys.
Is anyone else in the same boat as me? Like, as bad this one was, it just feels even worse than you’d expect?
I can’t remember being THIS down about a loss in forever. Maybe even since before 2010... for a long time the memories of Giants super bowl victories in 07 and 11 often helped soften the blow of even the worst losses. I think those great championships have finally run out of their pain-numbing agent. Now I remember what really horrible Giants losses to feel like.
If you are going to miss in the first round, don’t miss on a fucking tight end that can’t block. You need that fucking guy to be a 700 yard 5TD player to even scratch the surface of proper value in the first round. So awful.
If this was like 2009 or 2010 and those NYG teams blew a 21-10 lead
Jones cost them the win. I just cannot believe it. Read Eric’s preview of this game. No OL. No playmakers. No TE. No Barkley. Please
I don't think he cost them the game. But, I am not just writing off the fumble. You can do that when it is an isolated play in a game like this. But, it is an almost weekly occurrence. It is still a reason for concern and still the play that ended (not lost) the game.
there was 20 seconds left in the game. With no timeouts at their 15 yard line. Whether he fumbles or not, the game was over anyway.
He was trying to make a play so he held on to the ball longer then he usually does to allow the receivers to run longer routes down the field
doubt the Giants cut Harper or Balletine. They lured Harper off the Raiders' practice squad with a $25K bonus, and Ballantine has no replacement. Despite his penalties, I'd like to keep Harper for the rest of the year. But it looks like Ballentine is a guy who you at most bring to camp next year.
A sunken cost. Our current GM just invested a #4 overall on a guy who has been a turnstile all year. I get the lack of practice and rookie thing and all, but hes just getting beat by the guy on him. It’s not like he’s never played the position before. But that’s what he looks like out there.
we haven't stopped the offense we are playing once on an important drive at the end of the game, not once. That says everything you need to know about how good they actually are.
We stopped the 2 point conversion yes, but in terms of stopping a drive when a team is trying to come back on us we've been completely unable to do that and you can only call our defense so improved if they can't get a key stop.
In a long LONG time. Like I mean maybe since 2010. That sounds dramatic but there’s something about this one that stings so, so bad. I can’t even fully put my finger on it. Maybe it’s just the fact the awful seasons are just piling up and piling up, and here it really felt like we may have had a real symbolic breakthrough with that 97 yard drive to go up 21-10, all just to see the lead disappear in minutes. Add on the fact it’s the Eagles, in Philly, it’s our 8th straight loss to them, and the fact this game ACTUALLY meant something for control in the division, and.... I just feel absolutely awful guys.
Is anyone else in the same boat as me? Like, as bad this one was, it just feels even worse than you’d expect?
I can’t remember being THIS down about a loss in forever. Maybe even since before 2010... for a long time the memories of Giants super bowl victories in 07 and 11 often helped soften the blow of even the worst losses. I think those great championships have finally run out of their pain-numbing agent. Now I remember what really horrible Giants losses to feel like.
Me too. Crestfallen. Wish I didn’t care but it’s in my blood.
to me losing means a better draft pick so I am don't get upset anymore.
However, we had a chance in this game and I was rooting wholeheartedly for the Giants to win.
Then this. They deserve to be a 1-6 team, they deserve to lose out the rest of year. That may be the only thing to ensure Gettleman being gone. Fucking guy has screwed up 3 drafts in a row.
RE: Guys— this is the worst I’ve felt after a Giants loss
In a long LONG time. Like I mean maybe since 2010. That sounds dramatic but there’s something about this one that stings so, so bad. I can’t even fully put my finger on it. Maybe it’s just the fact the awful seasons are just piling up and piling up, and here it really felt like we may have had a real symbolic breakthrough with that 97 yard drive to go up 21-10, all just to see the lead disappear in minutes. Add on the fact it’s the Eagles, in Philly, it’s our 8th straight loss to them, and the fact this game ACTUALLY meant something for control in the division, and.... I just feel absolutely awful guys.
Is anyone else in the same boat as me? Like, as bad this one was, it just feels even worse than you’d expect?
I can’t remember being THIS down about a loss in forever. Maybe even since before 2010... for a long time the memories of Giants super bowl victories in 07 and 11 often helped soften the blow of even the worst losses. I think those great championships have finally run out of their pain-numbing agent. Now I remember what really horrible Giants losses to feel like.
It's raw because it just happened but yes
2015 opener against Dallas and that later that year, the OT loss against the Jets at home.
RE: Gettleman is done. No chance he survives this.
doubt the Giants cut Harper or Balletine. They lured Harper off the Raiders' practice squad with a $25K bonus, and Ballantine has no replacement. Despite his penalties, I'd like to keep Harper for the rest of the year. But it looks like Ballentine is a guy who you at most bring to camp next year.
Actually I forgot about the signing off the practice squad. Doesn't that mean he has to remain on their roster the remainder of the year.
Some of those penalties down the stretch were ticky tacky
is even at 10-7 I really liked how they were playing. Felt like maybe we had something with this defense. Then we get to 21-10 and like a sucker I'm starting to think there's maybe a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel. Nope. Same old same old.
You must be a new fan lol...the moment I felt what your were thinking I had to check myself. This is exactly who this team has been for years. New coaches, new players, same result. For all of the goodness JJ has brought, we are getting the same results. Stellar OT from the SEC, and after 7 games he's regressed to a level that's arguably worse than Flowers. And I'm a UGA fan, so I'm stunned at just how bad Thomas has been.
RE: Gettleman is done. No chance he survives this.
In a long LONG time. Like I mean maybe since 2010. That sounds dramatic but there’s something about this one that stings so, so bad. I can’t even fully put my finger on it. Maybe it’s just the fact the awful seasons are just piling up and piling up, and here it really felt like we may have had a real symbolic breakthrough with that 97 yard drive to go up 21-10, all just to see the lead disappear in minutes. Add on the fact it’s the Eagles, in Philly, it’s our 8th straight loss to them, and the fact this game ACTUALLY meant something for control in the division, and.... I just feel absolutely awful guys.
Is anyone else in the same boat as me? Like, as bad this one was, it just feels even worse than you’d expect?
I can’t remember being THIS down about a loss in forever. Maybe even since before 2010... for a long time the memories of Giants super bowl victories in 07 and 11 often helped soften the blow of even the worst losses. I think those great championships have finally run out of their pain-numbing agent. Now I remember what really horrible Giants losses to feel like.
I'm totally with you.
I'm sitting here with my stomach in my throat and I won't be able to sleep tonight over this one.
It's hard because I'm a big believer in Judge but I think now is the time we need to see him assert himself in this organization.
At an absolute minimum starting jobs/ST roles need to be lost for Engram, Thomas and Ballentine.
Ideally Engram is traded. Honestly, whatever we can get for him at this point. It's time.
Harper should be off the roster. I'm pretty sure it was his obviously late hit that actually drew the penalty on the punt coverage.
I really want to see Judge start showing some bite.
RE: I am not going to lie, I have no expectations going into any game and
to me losing means a better draft pick so I am don't get upset anymore.
However, we had a chance in this game and I was rooting wholeheartedly for the Giants to win.
Then this. They deserve to be a 1-6 team, they deserve to lose out the rest of year. That may be the only thing to ensure Gettleman being gone. Fucking guy has screwed up 3 drafts in a row.
Unfortunately, I agree. The drafts just aren’t yielding enough talent to produce wins.
RE: Guys— this is the worst I’ve felt after a Giants loss
In a long LONG time. Like I mean maybe since 2010. That sounds dramatic but there’s something about this one that stings so, so bad. I can’t even fully put my finger on it. Maybe it’s just the fact the awful seasons are just piling up and piling up, and here it really felt like we may have had a real symbolic breakthrough with that 97 yard drive to go up 21-10, all just to see the lead disappear in minutes. Add on the fact it’s the Eagles, in Philly, it’s our 8th straight loss to them, and the fact this game ACTUALLY meant something for control in the division, and.... I just feel absolutely awful guys.
Is anyone else in the same boat as me? Like, as bad this one was, it just feels even worse than you’d expect?
I can’t remember being THIS down about a loss in forever. Maybe even since before 2010... for a long time the memories of Giants super bowl victories in 07 and 11 often helped soften the blow of even the worst losses. I think those great championships have finally run out of their pain-numbing agent. Now I remember what really horrible Giants losses to feel like.
It was a major kick in the balls. The TD drive to put them up 21-10 felt like watching them play football for the first time since 2016. I truly thought they were going to win. Jones, Gallman, and Shepherd were giving it their all. That definitely sucked.
I hear you. Same with me.
I think that the Eagles suck as much makes this disgraceful lose so hard to take. Other years the Eagles were better and the expectation was not great. We had this game and you need your star big money guys to make plays to win/secure it. That did not happen. And that is what makes a losing franchise.
I really would cut Engram tonight and have him clean out his locker once they arrive back at the facility.
IF judge wants to preach accountability then start by holding these shit players accountable . We lost because of these 3 players tonight , mainly Engram though. He has enough of a scholarship here. Cut his ass and he will join the practice squad of the Jets
You can add Lewis to this list. Cost us 2 games. Got beat deep in Dallas game that set up winning FG and tonight with an 11 point lead and under 5 minutes allows Wide Receiver to beat him deep again. Dumb and dumber.
Engram. Drop leads to pick. Drop leads to punt which loses game.
Ballentine is left uncovered on a punt and doesn't look back? Horrible late penalty on Jackson.
Harper. Does nothing but takes two horrible penalties. WTF?
We stopped the 2 point conversion yes, but in terms of stopping a drive when a team is trying to come back on us we've been completely unable to do that and you can only call our defense so improved if they can't get a key stop.
That game has nothing to do with “learning how to win” by Daniel Jones or any of the very small handful of players on the roster worth a damn. If losing gives a better chance to acquire better players, it’s the best way forward. This roster is absolute trash.
Less than 2 weeks to the trade deadline. Get me a couple 3rd or 4th round picks.
Fuck. This. Team.
Unlikeable? No... the 2017 team says hello. Just bad? Absolutely.
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Fucking guy never feels pressure...
That’s what killed us?
Geezus
Look, I loved that long run. Loved the TD to Shepard. Loved some nice throws. The loss isn't on him. But, it was still the play that ended the game. It was still yet another fumble. It was still a 2nd turnover in a game, which happens quite a bit. He didn't lose the game, but he is not above criticism.
It was the 11th hour and he was trying to make something happen. You need to look at the situations
Move him to RT. At least Jones will be able to see when Thomas gets beaten.
Engram. Drop leads to pick. Drop leads to punt which loses game.
Ballentine is left uncovered on a punt and doesn't look back? Horrible late penalty on Jackson.
Harper. Does nothing but takes two horrible penalties. WTF?
Boy did they all suck
This defense needed to hold an 11 point lead and didnt.
IF judge wants to preach accountability then start by holding these shit players accountable . We lost because of these 3 players tonight , mainly Engram though. He has enough of a scholarship here. Cut his ass and he will join the practice squad of the Jets
The offense is brutal, the OL is brutal, the only thing that kept them in the game was the defense, and by the end of the game they were being called on EVERY PLAY!
FIRE GETTLEMAN NOW!
A game like tonight you make plays and find a way to win.
They did and have been doing the opposite as they always find a way to lose. The stench remains and is not going away..... it actually is getting stronger.
We can never enjoy a thing here. Never. We can’t have one god damned cock fucking ten day stretch where we feel ok can we. Not one fucking stretch of feel good time.... can’t enjoy the great drive in the 4th... nope! Joe this team! Oh you think u suffered enough the last few years? Ain’t done yet!!! Pay up fuckers!! Here some more shit sandwich for you to chew on.
Are you kidding me.
I know the tendency is to find one or two individuals to blame, but that is missing the point. The talent level on this team is abysmal. There are guys out there who don't belong in the NFL and cannot compete with other teams' 3rd and 4th stringers. That's the bottom line.
Is anyone else in the same boat as me? Like, as bad this one was, it just feels even worse than you’d expect?
I can’t remember being THIS down about a loss in forever. Maybe even since before 2010... for a long time the memories of Giants super bowl victories in 07 and 11 often helped soften the blow of even the worst losses. I think those great championships have finally run out of their pain-numbing agent. Now I remember what really horrible Giants losses to feel like.
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Jones cost them the win. I just cannot believe it. Read Eric’s preview of this game. No OL. No playmakers. No TE. No Barkley. Please
I don't think he cost them the game. But, I am not just writing off the fumble. You can do that when it is an isolated play in a game like this. But, it is an almost weekly occurrence. It is still a reason for concern and still the play that ended (not lost) the game.
there was 20 seconds left in the game. With no timeouts at their 15 yard line. Whether he fumbles or not, the game was over anyway.
He was trying to make a play so he held on to the ball longer then he usually does to allow the receivers to run longer routes down the field
Those teams had pride. This team has none. What a disgrace.
We stopped the 2 point conversion yes, but in terms of stopping a drive when a team is trying to come back on us we've been completely unable to do that and you can only call our defense so improved if they can't get a key stop.
Yep. Penalties, 59 yard passes, pass interferences, touchdown throws.
They don’t step up.
Is anyone else in the same boat as me? Like, as bad this one was, it just feels even worse than you’d expect?
I can’t remember being THIS down about a loss in forever. Maybe even since before 2010... for a long time the memories of Giants super bowl victories in 07 and 11 often helped soften the blow of even the worst losses. I think those great championships have finally run out of their pain-numbing agent. Now I remember what really horrible Giants losses to feel like.
Me too. Crestfallen. Wish I didn’t care but it’s in my blood.
However, we had a chance in this game and I was rooting wholeheartedly for the Giants to win.
Then this. They deserve to be a 1-6 team, they deserve to lose out the rest of year. That may be the only thing to ensure Gettleman being gone. Fucking guy has screwed up 3 drafts in a row.
Is anyone else in the same boat as me? Like, as bad this one was, it just feels even worse than you’d expect?
I can’t remember being THIS down about a loss in forever. Maybe even since before 2010... for a long time the memories of Giants super bowl victories in 07 and 11 often helped soften the blow of even the worst losses. I think those great championships have finally run out of their pain-numbing agent. Now I remember what really horrible Giants losses to feel like.
It's raw because it just happened but yes
2015 opener against Dallas and that later that year, the OT loss against the Jets at home.
No chance? We said that about Reese for four years before he was fired.
John Mara is not going to fire DG in the middle of this season... or after the season.
At this point, you really have to consider that we might well draft the kid from Oregon next spring.
Wait. This łoss is indicative of the GM?
You must be a new fan lol...the moment I felt what your were thinking I had to check myself. This is exactly who this team has been for years. New coaches, new players, same result. For all of the goodness JJ has brought, we are getting the same results. Stellar OT from the SEC, and after 7 games he's regressed to a level that's arguably worse than Flowers. And I'm a UGA fan, so I'm stunned at just how bad Thomas has been.
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The only issue is who replaces him. It better not be someone with any Giant ties.
Wait. This łoss is indicative of the GM?
This loss? No, not particularly. This season? Last season? The 2018 season? You're damn right it's indicative of the GM.
Is anyone else in the same boat as me? Like, as bad this one was, it just feels even worse than you’d expect?
I can’t remember being THIS down about a loss in forever. Maybe even since before 2010... for a long time the memories of Giants super bowl victories in 07 and 11 often helped soften the blow of even the worst losses. I think those great championships have finally run out of their pain-numbing agent. Now I remember what really horrible Giants losses to feel like.
I'm totally with you.
I'm sitting here with my stomach in my throat and I won't be able to sleep tonight over this one.
It's hard because I'm a big believer in Judge but I think now is the time we need to see him assert himself in this organization.
At an absolute minimum starting jobs/ST roles need to be lost for Engram, Thomas and Ballentine.
Ideally Engram is traded. Honestly, whatever we can get for him at this point. It's time.
Harper should be off the roster. I'm pretty sure it was his obviously late hit that actually drew the penalty on the punt coverage.
I really want to see Judge start showing some bite.
However, we had a chance in this game and I was rooting wholeheartedly for the Giants to win.
Then this. They deserve to be a 1-6 team, they deserve to lose out the rest of year. That may be the only thing to ensure Gettleman being gone. Fucking guy has screwed up 3 drafts in a row.
Unfortunately, I agree. The drafts just aren’t yielding enough talent to produce wins.
Is anyone else in the same boat as me? Like, as bad this one was, it just feels even worse than you’d expect?
I can’t remember being THIS down about a loss in forever. Maybe even since before 2010... for a long time the memories of Giants super bowl victories in 07 and 11 often helped soften the blow of even the worst losses. I think those great championships have finally run out of their pain-numbing agent. Now I remember what really horrible Giants losses to feel like.
It was a major kick in the balls. The TD drive to put them up 21-10 felt like watching them play football for the first time since 2016. I truly thought they were going to win. Jones, Gallman, and Shepherd were giving it their all. That definitely sucked.
I think that the Eagles suck as much makes this disgraceful lose so hard to take. Other years the Eagles were better and the expectation was not great. We had this game and you need your star big money guys to make plays to win/secure it. That did not happen. And that is what makes a losing franchise.
I really would cut Engram tonight and have him clean out his locker once they arrive back at the facility.
IF judge wants to preach accountability then start by holding these shit players accountable . We lost because of these 3 players tonight , mainly Engram though. He has enough of a scholarship here. Cut his ass and he will join the practice squad of the Jets
You can add Lewis to this list. Cost us 2 games. Got beat deep in Dallas game that set up winning FG and tonight with an 11 point lead and under 5 minutes allows Wide Receiver to beat him deep again. Dumb and dumber.