If you are going to miss in the first round, don’t miss on a fucking tight end that can’t block. You need that fucking guy to be a 700 yard 5TD player to even scratch the surface of proper value in the first round. So awful.
Thomas wants you to hold his beer.
If we missed on Thomas, I’m willing to crush the FO because it was such a tackle-rich class. They should be absolutely roasted for picking the wrong one.
Picking a no-block TE from the SEC is just a different level of risk to take in the first round. Anything other than an absolute stud is a poor use of a pick there.
that ran 4.4. Didn't even think about how we could (or couldn't) use him. 4.4!!!
Meanwhile, Ryan Ramcyzk is an All Pro RT and there were several good 2-way TE's drafted after Engram. That was one of the better TE drafts you will ever see.
I was giving them a chance and thought they’d win because it’s my opinion they aren’t far off. Clearly they still have guys on the roster that just simply aren’t good football players and cost them games, as Engram did tonight (among other guys).
Up 11 with 6 minutes to play against a bad team, you expect to win. Nope.
I feel like the arrow is pointing up. If I could sign Judge and Graham to 35 year extensions, I would. And I can live with the Daniel Jones we saw tonight. That guy can win in this league. Two things have to be corrected:
1. Got to get a GM to work side by side with Judge to acquire players Judge wants
2. Got to get an offensive coordinator that understands what Jones is and is not. Garrett is not putting him or the rest of the offense in the best position to succeed.
Tonight is the first time I felt like this since 2004. That we have direction.
Wasn’t expecting this from you tonight. I agree with it 100%.
The one additional emphasis I’d make is that they either need to have someone calling this offense that embraces making Jones as threat to run on every single drive, or move on to a new QB with the high pick.
It should be much more than a once-per-quarter “gotcha”. They should be forcing teams to stop that element, drive after drive, half after half, game after game.
I was giving them a chance and thought they’d win because it’s my opinion they aren’t far off. Clearly they still have guys on the roster that just simply aren’t good football players and cost them games, as Engram did tonight (among other guys).
Up 11 with 6 minutes to play against a bad team, you expect to win. Nope.
I have seen all the bad losses to Eagles and this goes right up there. I expected the Giants to win. Engram absolutely needs to make that play. The defense absolutely needed to finish better in the end than imploding.
Awful.
Kudos to Jones, Shep, and Gallman. Really nice efforts.
1- EE is horrible. Literally the opposite of a jack of all trades as he only has one skill and he isn't even good at that. Jack off of all phases is a better term.
2- Thomas sucks at T. It isn't a rookie thing, he truly gets beat inside, outside and even with power!
3- I hate EE- just needed a second point for EE. I just cannot stand this guy.
4- With EE in mind, our TE's are garbage overall. I have to believe we knew that coming in.
5- Zeitler, Tate and Shepard can all be had for the right price.. I would say EE but who the fuck would want him...
6- Defense is better for portions of the game but our highly drafted/traded for dl are just a group of roll players and our pass rush lacks a stud!
I was hoping he would start to play better but he is actually getting worse. Their were plays tonight that he actually missed his block.
I hope that Judge is true to his word and let’s Peart play LT. I have to believe he outplays Thomas in practice.
that Engram pussied out on that catch due to the safety coming in. Worst part was it’s not like he was that close but he would have given him a decent shot. I’ve watched this play 15 times - he just gave up on the ball because he didn’t want to get hit
Yeah, that was kinda my take on it too. He definitely appeared to slow down.
Yep. Engram does not strike me as a football player. He’s a pretty good athlete— he’s not a football player. And on top of that, he’s more of just a straight line speed athlete, but beyond that he’s actually not all that athletic in any other way... being athletic means having control of your body, Engram just often seems wildly out of control running routes and on top of that can’t catch and doesn’t have professional-grade eye hand coordination. He reminds me of a taller/bigger version of Tim Carter. He can outrun a defender but it doesn’t help if he doesn’t know where the hell his body is in relation to the ball. Plus he’s a pussy.
... to say that I literally HATE Evan Engram's guts right now???
Not wrong at all. Correct actually. It’s objectively the consensus feeling this entire fanbase has toward that worthless POS. Pretty much the only thing we can all agree on.
go tell your bosses you don't want to do what they want you to do and let me know how that works out. matter of fact, do it at the interview level lol.
Mara wanted to give eli another go. it failed.
it's as if he's the first GM to try and turn a team around and fail with some of you.
the problems with this team stem from 2012. we literally have nothing to show for 8 years of drafts and FA markets until last year basically.
Kill mara not DG. if anything DG has had more to do with our recent success than John Mara.
but this defense gave up 12 points in the final 6 minutes. They allowed Philly to march down the field twice. They committed 4 penalties in these 2 drives alone; illegal contact, holding, 12 men on field, pass interference. It really sloppy when it counted.
And I can tell you what that looks like having never missed a Giants game from 1964-1980.
How does a team stop torturing its fan base? Well, everyone agrees that it needs to acquire more talent, and that takes time.
But the flip side of that is shedding players who play small when they are needed most. As long as Evan Engram is part of this franchise, the masochism will continue.
they're better but not good enough. Not having a pass rusher kills this defense, especially when they need stops. add to that - outside of Bradberry, best 3 secondary players not even playing a down.
Eagles have been underachieving but they almost came back and beat the Ravens last week. They're not trash.
I'd give a good chunk of change to be a fly on the wall when Garrett & Columbo review OLine film this week.
is not a strong enough word for this Jaden Smith look a like. Ran away from contact all night and dropped the game icing pass. Disgusting player. I wish bad things on him.
But lets not let the defense off the hook either. What the hell was Ryan Lewis doing on that 59 yard floater to Hightower that basicallt got the Eagles back in the game. That ball was primed to be intercepted the way it floated up there. Also Jabril Peppers cannot let a 5'8 rb beat him foir the game winning TD. He never turned around to look where that ball was. Yes, Engram's drop was inexcusable and very costly, but lets not foirget the defense still could have prevented the Eagles from marching down the field and just completely self destructed
fuck the defense. Fuck Engram. Fuck Jones and his 2 left feet. Fuck the garbage offense that doesn't have one singular hair on it's toddler wobbling ass. Fuck the Maras and their choir boy player personnel standard here. Fuck Dg and his stupid over the top Bostonian accent and his refusal to draft athletes that can catch the ball and rush the passer. Fuck DeAndre Baker. Fuck Met Life. Fuck the meadowlands while we're at it, such a great place for a stadium if you're a dirty, disease infested seagull. Fuck this team from the ground up. And fuck the top even more so. Can't wait till next year. Maybe the Giants will find a way to fool people into thinking they are a normal NFL team that can actually defeat a division foe once a god damned decade.
I was giving them a chance and thought they’d win because it’s my opinion they aren’t far off. Clearly they still have guys on the roster that just simply aren’t good football players and cost them games, as Engram did tonight (among other guys).
Up 11 with 6 minutes to play against a bad team, you expect to win. Nope.
You shouldn't have to defend your stance (and mine) that this team had enough talent to show some legit progress this year. It is as clear as day that this team can hang with other NFL teams pretty much every week. The problem is deeper than talent. It's the culture. Some of us knew this team could compete every Sunday. We just weren't sure they could close. And they most definitely cannot close.
So mad. I am not even making sense and I don't care.
fuck the defense. Fuck Engram. Fuck Jones and his 2 left feet. Fuck the garbage offense that doesn't have one singular hair on it's toddler wobbling ass. Fuck the Maras and their choir boy player personnel standard here. Fuck Dg and his stupid over the top Bostonian accent and his refusal to draft athletes that can catch the ball and rush the passer. Fuck DeAndre Baker. Fuck Met Life. Fuck the meadowlands while we're at it, such a great place for a stadium if you're a dirty, disease infested seagull. Fuck this team from the ground up. And fuck the top even more so. Can't wait till next year. Maybe the Giants will find a way to fool people into thinking they are a normal NFL team that can actually defeat a division foe once a god damned decade.
I have come to the conclusion that us Gmen fans are the souls of horrible people that don't know were dead and out hell is to watch our team lose in the last minute to the Cowboys and Eagles year in and year out. My only explanation because these late losses defy logic.
Eagles have been underachieving but they almost came back and beat the Ravens last week. They're not trash
They aren't trash, but they aren't very good.
Closer inspection of that game is Wentz was getting destroyed throghout and he threw a near interception (over turned) that would have ended the game with the Ravens up 16. They had controlled the Eagles most of the game.
The Eagles are making games close after they fall way behind.
Steelers.
Ravens.
Giants.
Fell behind to the Rams (blowout) and Cincy (comeback to tie) too.
Interesting enough, the last four games at the Linc have been sloppy and the Giants very easily could be 4-0 in those games. We aren't exactly getting blown away.
It's the Giants vs. Eagles. It'd be more surprising if we DID win this game.
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If you are going to miss in the first round, don’t miss on a fucking tight end that can’t block. You need that fucking guy to be a 700 yard 5TD player to even scratch the surface of proper value in the first round. So awful.
Thomas wants you to hold his beer.
If we missed on Thomas, I’m willing to crush the FO because it was such a tackle-rich class. They should be absolutely roasted for picking the wrong one.
Picking a no-block TE from the SEC is just a different level of risk to take in the first round. Anything other than an absolute stud is a poor use of a pick there.
Holy hell. Another fucking heartbreaker to the Philthy dirty birds.
Meanwhile, Ryan Ramcyzk is an All Pro RT and there were several good 2-way TE's drafted after Engram. That was one of the better TE drafts you will ever see.
Up 11 with 6 minutes to play against a bad team, you expect to win. Nope.
Time for Engram to just be off this team.
1. Got to get a GM to work side by side with Judge to acquire players Judge wants
2. Got to get an offensive coordinator that understands what Jones is and is not. Garrett is not putting him or the rest of the offense in the best position to succeed.
Tonight is the first time I felt like this since 2004. That we have direction.
Wasn’t expecting this from you tonight. I agree with it 100%.
The one additional emphasis I’d make is that they either need to have someone calling this offense that embraces making Jones as threat to run on every single drive, or move on to a new QB with the high pick.
It should be much more than a once-per-quarter “gotcha”. They should be forcing teams to stop that element, drive after drive, half after half, game after game.
Up 11 with 6 minutes to play against a bad team, you expect to win. Nope.
I have seen all the bad losses to Eagles and this goes right up there. I expected the Giants to win. Engram absolutely needs to make that play. The defense absolutely needed to finish better in the end than imploding.
Awful.
Kudos to Jones, Shep, and Gallman. Really nice efforts.
1- EE is horrible. Literally the opposite of a jack of all trades as he only has one skill and he isn't even good at that. Jack off of all phases is a better term.
2- Thomas sucks at T. It isn't a rookie thing, he truly gets beat inside, outside and even with power!
3- I hate EE- just needed a second point for EE. I just cannot stand this guy.
4- With EE in mind, our TE's are garbage overall. I have to believe we knew that coming in.
5- Zeitler, Tate and Shepard can all be had for the right price.. I would say EE but who the fuck would want him...
6- Defense is better for portions of the game but our highly drafted/traded for dl are just a group of roll players and our pass rush lacks a stud!
Yeah...why?
I hope that Judge is true to his word and let’s Peart play LT. I have to believe he outplays Thomas in practice.
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that Engram pussied out on that catch due to the safety coming in. Worst part was it’s not like he was that close but he would have given him a decent shot. I’ve watched this play 15 times - he just gave up on the ball because he didn’t want to get hit
Yeah, that was kinda my take on it too. He definitely appeared to slow down.
Yep. Engram does not strike me as a football player. He’s a pretty good athlete— he’s not a football player. And on top of that, he’s more of just a straight line speed athlete, but beyond that he’s actually not all that athletic in any other way... being athletic means having control of your body, Engram just often seems wildly out of control running routes and on top of that can’t catch and doesn’t have professional-grade eye hand coordination. He reminds me of a taller/bigger version of Tim Carter. He can outrun a defender but it doesn’t help if he doesn’t know where the hell his body is in relation to the ball. Plus he’s a pussy.
Not wrong at all. Correct actually. It’s objectively the consensus feeling this entire fanbase has toward that worthless POS. Pretty much the only thing we can all agree on.
its not the easiest position in the league and its not like he's got anything special playing next to him.
and i'm saying this as a person who thinks we should move him to RT and try peart at LT. to say he's garbage is a joke.
go tell your bosses you don't want to do what they want you to do and let me know how that works out. matter of fact, do it at the interview level lol.
Mara wanted to give eli another go. it failed.
it's as if he's the first GM to try and turn a team around and fail with some of you.
the problems with this team stem from 2012. we literally have nothing to show for 8 years of drafts and FA markets until last year basically.
Kill mara not DG. if anything DG has had more to do with our recent success than John Mara.
Masochistic stage in watching this Giants team.
And I can tell you what that looks like having never missed a Giants game from 1964-1980.
How does a team stop torturing its fan base? Well, everyone agrees that it needs to acquire more talent, and that takes time.
But the flip side of that is shedding players who play small when they are needed most. As long as Evan Engram is part of this franchise, the masochism will continue.
Will probably accelerate.
Eagles have been underachieving but they almost came back and beat the Ravens last week. They're not trash.
I'd give a good chunk of change to be a fly on the wall when Garrett & Columbo review OLine film this week.
I regret sitting in the stands with Engram's father 3 years ago telling him his boy was going to be a real good one
Lmao
Up 11 with 6 minutes to play against a bad team, you expect to win. Nope.
You shouldn't have to defend your stance (and mine) that this team had enough talent to show some legit progress this year. It is as clear as day that this team can hang with other NFL teams pretty much every week. The problem is deeper than talent. It's the culture. Some of us knew this team could compete every Sunday. We just weren't sure they could close. And they most definitely cannot close.
So mad. I am not even making sense and I don't care.
I have come to the conclusion that us Gmen fans are the souls of horrible people that don't know were dead and out hell is to watch our team lose in the last minute to the Cowboys and Eagles year in and year out. My only explanation because these late losses defy logic.
But, bottom line...ya gotta win. That's why last night sucks. Joe Judge was putting on a clinic and then in 6 minutes it was wiped away.
Eagles have been underachieving but they almost came back and beat the Ravens last week. They're not trash
They aren't trash, but they aren't very good.
Closer inspection of that game is Wentz was getting destroyed throghout and he threw a near interception (over turned) that would have ended the game with the Ravens up 16. They had controlled the Eagles most of the game.
The Eagles are making games close after they fall way behind.
Steelers.
Ravens.
Giants.
Fell behind to the Rams (blowout) and Cincy (comeback to tie) too.
Interesting enough, the last four games at the Linc have been sloppy and the Giants very easily could be 4-0 in those games. We aren't exactly getting blown away.