Puts to rest whether we need a new Qb if Lawrence is available to us in the draft. No one can say & @!t to the contrary now so let’s save ourselves the hassle.
Guy plays perfect and holds fumbles in a already lost game because two idiots couldnt block? Have fun eating rocks for breakfast tomorrow morning. I'm out for a while, going to be way to much of this retarded shit.
if you watch the game and the conclusion from this game is We need a new QB then you have no idea what your watching.
He played great tonight and was holding the ball longer for the receivers to get down the field .There was 20 seconds left in the game, whether he fumbled or not the game was over anyway
You are kidding right. The kid played well. Evan Engram causes a tip ball INT and then drop a can of corn for what would have won the game. This isn’t on Daniel Jones
This. Without Jones we're not in this game, and if Engram didn't suck we would have won. Jones was trying to make a miracle play at the end with no support. Can't put a lot of weight on that fumble.
but people are smoking crazy if they think Gettleman’s successor would pass on Lawrence if we had #1. Truly the only explanation for such an asinine take.
This game is far from on him. Maybe our first round draft pick this year can go one single play without giving up either a sack or a pressure. Fucking awful that kid has been up to this point.
Who gives a shit if he gets sacked or fumbles. Game's over either way. We're a losing football program right now. Period. We do exactly what you need to to lose week in week out year in year out. Coach in coach out. Everything changes but one thing remains the same. We lose every week.
Jones entire family replied to this thread. I defer to his turnover stats. Parcels said you are what your record says you are. Figure out the extension of that statement.
Jones entire family replied to this thread. I defer to his turnover stats. Parcels said you are what your record says you are. Figure out the extension of that statement.
Yeah it has nothing to do with you being a clueless fucking tool.
Jones entire family replied to this thread. I defer to his turnover stats. Parcels said you are what your record says you are. Figure out the extension of that statement.
Ummm, right... 1986 Simms had 20 plus ints... I doubt we called Simms a loser in 86! Go fuck yourself with Producers dick.
The game is on the line....and he fumbles again? Really?
On the line?? At that point, he needed a 40 yard completion with no timeouts. Fucking imbecile
He wasn’t in a position to get to FG range? If you say no, then you admit you have low expectations of him. Thanks for making my argument especially as you hold yourself out as the intellectual of this forum.
The jones love. Look up my posting record. Never bashed him until today. But omg enough is enough
Your getting all these replies because your football IQ is really poor. There was 20 seconds left in the game with no TO at their own 15 yard line . He held the ball longer then usual to try to let the receivers get down the field. IF you cant realize that, then that is on you not other people who have a brain
The game is on the line....and he fumbles again? Really?
On the line?? At that point, he needed a 40 yard completion with no timeouts. Fucking imbecile
He wasn’t in a position to get to FG range? If you say no, then you admit you have low expectations of him. Thanks for making my argument especially as you hold yourself out as the intellectual of this forum.
He was not. If he didn’t fumble, he would have been sacked and time would have expired. There was no way they were ever going to get into FG range and that would apply regardless of who the QB was
40 seconds is a long time even with no timeouts. Most of us have seen many games where teams score points with less time and the same field position. So let's not act like it was hopeless. We just needed a FG attempt.
It's a sixty minute game and you just can't give it back there. Yes, Jones made plays tonight. But he needed to make at least one or two more at the end. That is the job.
myself as an intellectual, I do point out complete and utter imbeciles.
You are in that camp. Low expectations? He had already dropped a pass right into Engram's hands to win the game. What did you think was going to happen when a 4 man rush can sack him?? You don't know who to fuck to blame you clueless assmonkey
The game is on the line....and he fumbles again? Really?
On the line?? At that point, he needed a 40 yard completion with no timeouts. Fucking imbecile
I think blaming Jones for the loss is extreme. But, answer me this. If we were on D with 40 seconds and the opposition is starting on their own 25 with 0 timeouts, do you feel 100% confident our team holds on to win? We have seen teams embarrass us with a few passes just enough to get in FG range in similar situations.
40 seconds is a long time even with no timeouts. Most of us have seen many games where teams score points with less time and the same field position. So let's not act like it was hopeless. We just needed a FG attempt.
It's a sixty minute game and you just can't give it back there. Yes, Jones made plays tonight. But he needed to make at least one or two more at the end. That is the job.
I honestly think that you’re the one not being honest in this case. You’re falling back into contrarian schtick.
40 seconds is a long time even with no timeouts. Most of us have seen many games where teams score points with less time and the same field position. So let's not act like it was hopeless. We just needed a FG attempt.
It's a sixty minute game and you just can't give it back there. Yes, Jones made plays tonight. But he needed to make at least one or two more at the end. That is the job.
It was 28 seconds left from the 15. Would be interested to see a collection of highlights where that team ended up winning
myself as an intellectual, I do point out complete and utter imbeciles.
You are in that camp. Low expectations? He had already dropped a pass right into Engram's hands to win the game. What did you think was going to happen when a 4 man rush can sack him?? You don't know who to fuck to blame you clueless assmonkey
He fumbled...again...and the hope for a long FG died. I’m sorry, was I watching a different game?
40 seconds is a long time even with no timeouts. Most of us have seen many games where teams score points with less time and the same field position. So let's not act like it was hopeless. We just needed a FG attempt.
It's a sixty minute game and you just can't give it back there. Yes, Jones made plays tonight. But he needed to make at least one or two more at the end. That is the job.
Exactly. We've seen the Cowboys and Eagles pull off wins under similar circumstances on us what seems like a million times. We needed about 40-45 yards. Is it fair to expect a team like ours to pull that off? No. But, is it fair to at least think we have a shot? I think so. Of course the 2 dump offs to Engram to start the drive were not going to cut it. I was just saying with this team we need a double move and just take a shot. It looks like the last play was just that and it was Shepard (I think) who just got behind the CB. I assume that's where Jones was going to go, even with a safety deep. But, alas, the fumble.
Did he lose the game? Nope. Did he make big plays in the second half to help create the 11 point lead? Yes. Did Engram fuck us on his best throw of the night and a great call? Yes. But, did that fumble end the game? Yes. Not lose it, but end it.
As I said earlier, if he didn't fumble almost every week, just about everyone here would write it off as holding the ball to make that final play. But, given the history, and this team's recent history, it is not unreasonable for people to be upset.
40 seconds is a long time even with no timeouts. Most of us have seen many games where teams score points with less time and the same field position. So let's not act like it was hopeless. We just needed a FG attempt.
It's a sixty minute game and you just can't give it back there. Yes, Jones made plays tonight. But he needed to make at least one or two more at the end. That is the job.
I honestly think that you’re the one not being honest in this case. You’re falling back into contrarian schtick.
No. I'm recalling many years of watching the game and other QBs finding a way in those situations.
Look, I know the odds are long there. But anything but a fumble and sack. Maybe my expectations are too high for how I view the QB position...so guilty.
And you do hold yourself out as a pompous intellectual. At least be objective. It will add to your credibility as most of the time I think you are insightful.
myself as an intellectual, I do point out complete and utter imbeciles.
You are in that camp. Low expectations? He had already dropped a pass right into Engram's hands to win the game. What did you think was going to happen when a 4 man rush can sack him?? You don't know who to fuck to blame you clueless assmonkey
He fumbled...again...and the hope for a long FG died. I’m sorry, was I watching a different game?
You are intentionally being dishonest . There was 20 seconds left when Jones got sacked and then fumbled. Without the fumble, he clocks the ball with 13 seconds left , ball on the 15 yard line and no timeouts.
The fact you think the fumble had anything to do with the loss is so stupid
And you do hold yourself out as a pompous intellectual. At least be objective. It will add to your credibility as most of the time I think you are insightful.
Holding myself as being smarter than a fucking moron shouldn't be confused with being an intellectual.
We are pinning this loss on Engram. We know he’s done in this organization. Seriously. Does anyone think engram is the future? Did anyone think engram would win the game for us on the last drive? Did anyone HOPE jones would drive is to FG? Who fumbled, again, to dash those hopes?
And you do hold yourself out as a pompous intellectual. At least be objective. It will add to your credibility as most of the time I think you are insightful.
Holding myself as being smarter than a fucking moron shouldn't be confused with being an intellectual.
Way to give a substantive reply. Perhaps I gave you too much credit
40 seconds is a long time even with no timeouts. Most of us have seen many games where teams score points with less time and the same field position. So let's not act like it was hopeless. We just needed a FG attempt.
It's a sixty minute game and you just can't give it back there. Yes, Jones made plays tonight. But he needed to make at least one or two more at the end. That is the job.
I honestly think that you’re the one not being honest in this case. You’re falling back into contrarian schtick.
No. I'm recalling many years of watching the game and other QBs finding a way in those situations.
Look, I know the odds are long there. But anything but a fumble and sack. Maybe my expectations are too high for how I view the QB position...so guilty.
bw - I'm with you 100%. I wouldn't say I expect us to pull it off. But, I don't think it is unreasonable to expect us to get off 3 or 4 passes that try to advance the ball.
If the show is on the other foot, we've seen other QBs at least get into FG range. We've had our hearts ripped out by other teams immediately after we score to take the lead in similar situations over and over and over. So, do I blame Jones? No. But, I am sure as fuck pissed off at him for holding it that long and not feeling the pressure. At the OL for a fucking holding penalty before that and the pressure there and the entire game. And at this fucking team in general.
The other thing that eats at me is how team completely manhandle our OL every week, and this is the OL we intended to start the season with. Yet, 3 times already this year alone we have faced decimated OLs with 3rd stringers sometimes playing and we never dominate. We make a play here and there, even tonight, to give a glimmer of hope. But, we don't come out and dominate other teams up front even when they have 3 or 4 starters out. I am fucking tired of it.
To point the finger at Jones. He made plays all night long to put the team in a position to win the game — despite a trash OL, worthless Engram, and no separation Tate.
But considering you seemingly don't think Engram cost us the game but Jones did, I'd say you are pretty fucking stupid. Incredibly so
Your comprehension is either incredibly selective or deficient. I will assume the former. Does anyone on this forum trust engram to win a game for us? The smart people know he’s gone. Are we all hoping Jones is the Future for us? At the end, we have Jones, with little time on the clock to drive us to a long FG....he fumbles. Tell me Fat Man where I am wrong.
ignored posts that lacked objectivity, there'd be crickets here
What the fucking moron doesn't realize is if Jones is just sacked on the last play, he's got to spike the ball or let 15 seconds run off the clock and we are still at the 20 yard line.
So objectivity isn't really high on the list of things the galactically insane post about.
It's not on Jones. The defense played GREAT up until the last 6 mins of this game, where they then went on to give up 2 TDs to end the game. It's on them and the Engram drop in whatever order you want to put those two things in.
Yet, 3 times already this year alone we have faced decimated OLs with 3rd stringers sometimes playing and we never dominate. We make a play here and there, even tonight, to give a glimmer of hope. But, we don't come out and dominate other teams up front even when they have 3 or 4 starters out. I am fucking tired of it.
I can't reconcile this either. It's right there for the taking and it's like the other team suddenly has the best depth in the league. I find this maddening...
ignored posts that lacked objectivity, there'd be crickets here
What the fucking moron doesn't realize is if Jones is just sacked on the last play, he's got to spike the ball or let 15 seconds run off the clock and we are still at the 20 yard line.
So objectivity isn't really high on the list of things the galactically insane post about.
Ever here of throwing the ball out of bounds? He fumbled...again
40 seconds is a long time even with no timeouts. Most of us have seen many games where teams score points with less time and the same field position. So let's not act like it was hopeless. We just needed a FG attempt.
It's a sixty minute game and you just can't give it back there. Yes, Jones made plays tonight. But he needed to make at least one or two more at the end. That is the job.
You forget the penalty making it 1st and 20 at the 15 with 29 seconds. That hurt us the most and put Jones under the gun.
Hopefully in the future, you'll watch a game and actually figure out a fucking way to process what you are looking at.
I'm pessimistic that will happen, but stranger things have happened.
Like I said earlier. If you believe our QB had no chance of pulling us in FG range with less than a minute in the game, then you have low expectations for a franchise QB. “Charlotte”—perhaps a Jones homer or family member? Btw...he fumbled again with the game on the line.
Hopefully in the future, you'll watch a game and actually figure out a fucking way to process what you are looking at.
I'm pessimistic that will happen, but stranger things have happened.
Like I said earlier. If you believe our QB had no chance of pulling us in FG range with less than a minute in the game, then you have low expectations for a franchise QB. “Charlotte”—perhaps a Jones homer or family member? Btw...he fumbled again with the game on the line.
I’m neither a Charlotte homer or a Jones relative and I’ll simply add that if you think Jones lost the game in any way, you are either ignorant to football or an asshole. He played his heart out and though not perfect, played well enough to win. Focusing on the fumble at the end is just stupid.
What's this guy going to look like when the OL runs the ball well and he gets a new toy or too...and when he gets more games under his belt.
I know I'm in the minority with this opinion, but I think the Lawrence talk is nuts.
It’s not nuts, but we’re just not going to be in the hunt. It’s a race to the bottom with many teams and Judge is going to get at least three more wins out of this team. So we’ll be out of the Lawrence Sweepstakes.
The next question to consider is whether we take Fields because we might have that opportunity. And he’s a very interesting prospect.
Go take a long walk off a short pier
Jones had a good game. Engram dropped a win
He played great tonight and was holding the ball longer for the receivers to get down the field .There was 20 seconds left in the game, whether he fumbled or not the game was over anyway
This. Without Jones we're not in this game, and if Engram didn't suck we would have won. Jones was trying to make a miracle play at the end with no support. Can't put a lot of weight on that fumble.
Agree- go fuck yourself you piece of trash!
Yeah it has nothing to do with you being a clueless fucking tool.
Ummm, right... 1986 Simms had 20 plus ints... I doubt we called Simms a loser in 86! Go fuck yourself with Producers dick.
On the line?? At that point, he needed a 40 yard completion with no timeouts. Fucking imbecile
Yeah, right.
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The game is on the line....and he fumbles again? Really?
On the line?? At that point, he needed a 40 yard completion with no timeouts. Fucking imbecile
He wasn’t in a position to get to FG range? If you say no, then you admit you have low expectations of him. Thanks for making my argument especially as you hold yourself out as the intellectual of this forum.
Your getting all these replies because your football IQ is really poor. There was 20 seconds left in the game with no TO at their own 15 yard line . He held the ball longer then usual to try to let the receivers get down the field. IF you cant realize that, then that is on you not other people who have a brain
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The game is on the line....and he fumbles again? Really?
On the line?? At that point, he needed a 40 yard completion with no timeouts. Fucking imbecile
He wasn’t in a position to get to FG range? If you say no, then you admit you have low expectations of him. Thanks for making my argument especially as you hold yourself out as the intellectual of this forum.
He was not. If he didn’t fumble, he would have been sacked and time would have expired. There was no way they were ever going to get into FG range and that would apply regardless of who the QB was
It's a sixty minute game and you just can't give it back there. Yes, Jones made plays tonight. But he needed to make at least one or two more at the end. That is the job.
You are in that camp. Low expectations? He had already dropped a pass right into Engram's hands to win the game. What did you think was going to happen when a 4 man rush can sack him?? You don't know who to fuck to blame you clueless assmonkey
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The game is on the line....and he fumbles again? Really?
On the line?? At that point, he needed a 40 yard completion with no timeouts. Fucking imbecile
It's a sixty minute game and you just can't give it back there. Yes, Jones made plays tonight. But he needed to make at least one or two more at the end. That is the job.
I honestly think that you’re the one not being honest in this case. You’re falling back into contrarian schtick.
It's a sixty minute game and you just can't give it back there. Yes, Jones made plays tonight. But he needed to make at least one or two more at the end. That is the job.
It was 28 seconds left from the 15. Would be interested to see a collection of highlights where that team ended up winning
because he turns into a robot when the game starts
We need a new QB?? Fuck off
Problem is not your eyes; it’s that they connect to nothing.
Does being stupid come easy to you? Or do you have to work at it?
That was funny. I feel your pain, but that was funny.
You are in that camp. Low expectations? He had already dropped a pass right into Engram's hands to win the game. What did you think was going to happen when a 4 man rush can sack him?? You don't know who to fuck to blame you clueless assmonkey
He fumbled...again...and the hope for a long FG died. I’m sorry, was I watching a different game?
It's a sixty minute game and you just can't give it back there. Yes, Jones made plays tonight. But he needed to make at least one or two more at the end. That is the job.
Did he lose the game? Nope. Did he make big plays in the second half to help create the 11 point lead? Yes. Did Engram fuck us on his best throw of the night and a great call? Yes. But, did that fumble end the game? Yes. Not lose it, but end it.
As I said earlier, if he didn't fumble almost every week, just about everyone here would write it off as holding the ball to make that final play. But, given the history, and this team's recent history, it is not unreasonable for people to be upset.
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40 seconds is a long time even with no timeouts. Most of us have seen many games where teams score points with less time and the same field position. So let's not act like it was hopeless. We just needed a FG attempt.
It's a sixty minute game and you just can't give it back there. Yes, Jones made plays tonight. But he needed to make at least one or two more at the end. That is the job.
I honestly think that you’re the one not being honest in this case. You’re falling back into contrarian schtick.
No. I'm recalling many years of watching the game and other QBs finding a way in those situations.
Look, I know the odds are long there. But anything but a fumble and sack. Maybe my expectations are too high for how I view the QB position...so guilty.
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Was jones fumbled. Tell me a different narrative. You can’t. Jones fumbled and the hope died. Tell me I saw something different
Problem is not your eyes; it’s that they connect to nothing.
Haha! Bill L for the win. /thread
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myself as an intellectual, I do point out complete and utter imbeciles.
You are in that camp. Low expectations? He had already dropped a pass right into Engram's hands to win the game. What did you think was going to happen when a 4 man rush can sack him?? You don't know who to fuck to blame you clueless assmonkey
He fumbled...again...and the hope for a long FG died. I’m sorry, was I watching a different game?
You are intentionally being dishonest . There was 20 seconds left when Jones got sacked and then fumbled. Without the fumble, he clocks the ball with 13 seconds left , ball on the 15 yard line and no timeouts.
The fact you think the fumble had anything to do with the loss is so stupid
Holding myself as being smarter than a fucking moron shouldn't be confused with being an intellectual.
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And you do hold yourself out as a pompous intellectual. At least be objective. It will add to your credibility as most of the time I think you are insightful.
Holding myself as being smarter than a fucking moron shouldn't be confused with being an intellectual.
Way to give a substantive reply. Perhaps I gave you too much credit
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40 seconds is a long time even with no timeouts. Most of us have seen many games where teams score points with less time and the same field position. So let's not act like it was hopeless. We just needed a FG attempt.
It's a sixty minute game and you just can't give it back there. Yes, Jones made plays tonight. But he needed to make at least one or two more at the end. That is the job.
I honestly think that you’re the one not being honest in this case. You’re falling back into contrarian schtick.
No. I'm recalling many years of watching the game and other QBs finding a way in those situations.
Look, I know the odds are long there. But anything but a fumble and sack. Maybe my expectations are too high for how I view the QB position...so guilty.
If the show is on the other foot, we've seen other QBs at least get into FG range. We've had our hearts ripped out by other teams immediately after we score to take the lead in similar situations over and over and over. So, do I blame Jones? No. But, I am sure as fuck pissed off at him for holding it that long and not feeling the pressure. At the OL for a fucking holding penalty before that and the pressure there and the entire game. And at this fucking team in general.
The other thing that eats at me is how team completely manhandle our OL every week, and this is the OL we intended to start the season with. Yet, 3 times already this year alone we have faced decimated OLs with 3rd stringers sometimes playing and we never dominate. We make a play here and there, even tonight, to give a glimmer of hope. But, we don't come out and dominate other teams up front even when they have 3 or 4 starters out. I am fucking tired of it.
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The game is on the line....and he fumbles again? Really?
On the line?? At that point, he needed a 40 yard completion with no timeouts. Fucking imbecile
Why do you waste your time responding to posts like that. They lack objectivity and should be summarily dismisses
Your comprehension is either incredibly selective or deficient. I will assume the former. Does anyone on this forum trust engram to win a game for us? The smart people know he’s gone. Are we all hoping Jones is the Future for us? At the end, we have Jones, with little time on the clock to drive us to a long FG....he fumbles. Tell me Fat Man where I am wrong.
What the fucking moron doesn't realize is if Jones is just sacked on the last play, he's got to spike the ball or let 15 seconds run off the clock and we are still at the 20 yard line.
So objectivity isn't really high on the list of things the galactically insane post about.
And don't answer it - it is rhetorical and you are a clueless imbecile anyway
Yet, 3 times already this year alone we have faced decimated OLs with 3rd stringers sometimes playing and we never dominate. We make a play here and there, even tonight, to give a glimmer of hope. But, we don't come out and dominate other teams up front even when they have 3 or 4 starters out. I am fucking tired of it.
I can't reconcile this either. It's right there for the taking and it's like the other team suddenly has the best depth in the league. I find this maddening...
What the fucking moron doesn't realize is if Jones is just sacked on the last play, he's got to spike the ball or let 15 seconds run off the clock and we are still at the 20 yard line.
So objectivity isn't really high on the list of things the galactically insane post about.
Ever here of throwing the ball out of bounds? He fumbled...again
And don't answer it - it is rhetorical and you are a clueless imbecile anyway
Just saw this. My mistake. If you believe engram is a reliable weapon I now realize I can’t have a rational discussion with you.
Another non-substantive response from you. Btw, he fumbled...again...with the game on the line.
Hopefully in the future, you'll watch a game and actually figure out a fucking way to process what you are looking at.
I'm pessimistic that will happen, but stranger things have happened.
It's a sixty minute game and you just can't give it back there. Yes, Jones made plays tonight. But he needed to make at least one or two more at the end. That is the job.
You forget the penalty making it 1st and 20 at the 15 with 29 seconds. That hurt us the most and put Jones under the gun.
Hopefully in the future, you'll watch a game and actually figure out a fucking way to process what you are looking at.
I'm pessimistic that will happen, but stranger things have happened.
Like I said earlier. If you believe our QB had no chance of pulling us in FG range with less than a minute in the game, then you have low expectations for a franchise QB. “Charlotte”—perhaps a Jones homer or family member? Btw...he fumbled again with the game on the line.
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he fumbled with the game over.
Hopefully in the future, you'll watch a game and actually figure out a fucking way to process what you are looking at.
I'm pessimistic that will happen, but stranger things have happened.
Like I said earlier. If you believe our QB had no chance of pulling us in FG range with less than a minute in the game, then you have low expectations for a franchise QB. “Charlotte”—perhaps a Jones homer or family member? Btw...he fumbled again with the game on the line.
I’m neither a Charlotte homer or a Jones relative and I’ll simply add that if you think Jones lost the game in any way, you are either ignorant to football or an asshole. He played his heart out and though not perfect, played well enough to win. Focusing on the fumble at the end is just stupid.
I know I'm in the minority with this opinion, but I think the Lawrence talk is nuts.
I know I'm in the minority with this opinion, but I think the Lawrence talk is nuts.
It’s not nuts, but we’re just not going to be in the hunt. It’s a race to the bottom with many teams and Judge is going to get at least three more wins out of this team. So we’ll be out of the Lawrence Sweepstakes.
The next question to consider is whether we take Fields because we might have that opportunity. And he’s a very interesting prospect.