he didn't fumble when he got hit trying to get up.
Part of the head scratching decisions that is the Giants...how do we not run that again multiple times? If he's that fast, no DE is catching him to the outside (think Kyler Murray against the Cowgirls). Then they'd have to start running zone to keep him in front of them. Better strategy than having him run for his life from whoever Thomas is blocking.
Part of the head scratching decisions that is the Giants...how do we not run that again multiple times? If he's that fast, no DE is catching him to the outside (think Kyler Murray against the Cowgirls). Then they'd have to start running zone to keep him in front of them. Better strategy than having him run for his life from whoever Thomas is blocking.
The only reason we're running these designed runs at all is because we simply can't reliably generate offense without them.
Everytime a QB gets hit, he risks getting hurt. And everytime a QB takes off with the ball, he gives himself an extra opportunity to get hit. I like that we have a QB who can run fast enough to get a speeding ticket in a school zone, but I think he gets hit enough as it is, thanks.
I hope some of the analysts take a close look at the play this week.
Did the Eagles blow some assignments, or did our WR's somehow clear out the entire secondary, leaving Jones a six-lane highway to the endzone. Well, to the 15-yard-line trip-wire.
Was out of gas man when that happens your whole lower body seems to have shut down. This kid is giving this group of duds all he’s got sure he’s still not protecting the ball as we hoped but who’s he be practicing against with a don’t touch vest. It’s a secret if I tell you I’ll have to kill you, don’t you want me to tell you it’s no defense.
I Love everything about this team. They are young and trying very hard ... with a few more high draft picks and the maturity of a team that comes only with time they will own the NFC East in about 2-3 seasons (IMO).
p.s. not arguing with you jvm but there is probably 2-3 QBs in the league today that can run an 80 yard sprint and not get winded. It is to bad he did not make it because it would have been legendary .... : ).
Phil Simms could have never have finished that run and neither would have Eli ... but, they would have had the QB finesse and maturity to just slide after 10 - 20 or whatever yards. Jones is still very young and wants the "golden ring" on every play. I love his sense of competition. His choices will get better with age. In another 1-2 years he will have never ran until exhaustion and will make a more graceful exit (of the play - : ) ).
They scored anyway so who cares. Had they come away with less than 7 it would have been an infamous moment. But if all the issues last night this really wasn’t one of them.
But he was trying to run too hard and he also kept swiveling his head. They need VC to show him how to watch the big screen for defenders catching up. I actually thought he was going to trip himself about 40 yards in - he was over striding. But it was the 4th longest run in NY Giants history!!!!!
But you are all correct. Why didn't they call it again, although Gallman did a very good job running after that. T
He's not elusive but a long strider. Eventually there will be enough tape where D's have to start looking for that, I mean he has 2 explosive runs the past 2 games. That will help the offense.
RE: it's a real loser play and perfect for the giants
A little too much Lean forward and you see that. I mean you rarely see it at NFL level because these guys are world class athletes but you see kids do that all the time.
Just how athletic is Daniel Jones? Hit 20.64 mph on 49-yard run in first half, per Next Gen Stats. Fastest of career. Jones now has three of top 7 QB speeds recorded this season. Lamar Jackson has other four. No wonder Darius Slayton called his QB “Daniel Jackson” after the game.
This was from the Washington game. Now add another big run.
Just how athletic is Daniel Jones? Hit 20.64 mph on 49-yard run in first half, per Next Gen Stats. Fastest of career. Jones now has three of top 7 QB speeds recorded this season. Lamar Jackson has other four. No wonder Darius Slayton called his QB “Daniel Jackson” after the game.
This was from the Washington game. Now add another big run.
Its their best weapon this year.
I read he hit 21.2+ yesterday ...and how many QBs in the league can go 80 yards at top speed? Maybe 4-5 at the most. He plays his heart out on every play and you can’t ask for anything else.
Why the fuck didn't we run another RPO the rest of the game?
On the last drive maybe?
SMH
I think part of why you don't is because Daniel Jones is as fast as Lamar, but he's nowhere near as elusive. He's not making anyone miss. The times he has taken on a tackler, he just barrels into him.
The reality is Daniel Jones is NOT an RPO quarterback.
However, what I'd like to see more of, is him running for 5-10 yards when it's available on rollouts.
Force the defense to pay attention to his running risk, it has to open up space for his WR's somewhere
If Giants go QB in the draft next year they should think about
I think part of why you don't is because Daniel Jones is as fast as Lamar, but he's nowhere near as elusive. He's not making anyone miss. The times he has taken on a tackler, he just barrels into him.
This is exactly right. He is fast, but has no moves at all. He should be running whenever he has open field in front of him, but I really don't think a lot of designed runs for him are in the cards.
especially with Barkley out - we need to keep defenses honest somehow. Even if its 4-5 yards each that's enough to keep the threat there, not to mention he will break a big one from time to time.
I certainly don't expect runs like last night, or him to shake defenders, but quality yards here and there is completely attainable.
Why the fuck didn't we run another RPO the rest of the game?
On the last drive maybe?
SMH
It was a zone read, not an RPO, and they couldn't have run it in the last drive, they had no TO's.
I don't want Garrett calling these too often, he doesn't have to. It exposes DJ to unnecessary hits. Just the treat of the zone read can give ER's a second of hesitation in pursuit plays. The threat of the ZR helps the running game overall.
should be the reason not to run these plays. We shouldn't do them often so defenses don't get used to it, but he plays better when he runs (as does the offense) and the injury risk is what it is. What good is he standing there getting hit in the pocket?
We have to get over this fear of every QB getting "killed". If he isnt durable enough to play I'd like to know in 2020, not 2021.
But instead of patting the ball and holding in the pocket for 4 seconds, be decisive and take the 4-7 yard runs. And slide. The reads are not going to be there with this awful collection of talent.
RE: I hope some of the analysts take a close look at the play this week.
Did the Eagles blow some assignments, or did our WR's somehow clear out the entire secondary, leaving Jones a six-lane highway to the endzone. Well, to the 15-yard-line trip-wire.
When they showed the shot from behind DJ at the start of the play, you can see the field WIDE open. Best decision he made. Saw it immediately and reacted.
he didn't fumble when he got hit trying to get up.
Part of the head scratching decisions that is the Giants...how do we not run that again multiple times? If he's that fast, no DE is catching him to the outside (think Kyler Murray against the Cowgirls). Then they'd have to start running zone to keep him in front of them. Better strategy than having him run for his life from whoever Thomas is blocking.
Be careful not to conflate top speed with acceleration. DJ exceeding 21 MPH is incredible, but it doesn't necessarily mean that he could get to the corner with the same explosiveness as Kyler Murray.
It was amazing and funny, and scoring the TD took the sting out of
Why the fuck didn't we run another RPO the rest of the game?
On the last drive maybe?
SMH
I think part of why you don't is because Daniel Jones is as fast as Lamar, but he's nowhere near as elusive. He's not making anyone miss. The times he has taken on a tackler, he just barrels into him.
The reality is Daniel Jones is NOT an RPO quarterback.
However, what I'd like to see more of, is him running for 5-10 yards when it's available on rollouts.
Force the defense to pay attention to his running risk, it has to open up space for his WR's somewhere
Jones is not as fast as Lamar.
He's got the fastest recorded speed in a couple years
Part of the head scratching decisions that is the Giants...how do we not run that again multiple times? If he's that fast, no DE is catching him to the outside (think Kyler Murray against the Cowgirls). Then they'd have to start running zone to keep him in front of them. Better strategy than having him run for his life from whoever Thomas is blocking.
Part of the head scratching decisions that is the Giants...how do we not run that again multiple times? If he's that fast, no DE is catching him to the outside (think Kyler Murray against the Cowgirls). Then they'd have to start running zone to keep him in front of them. Better strategy than having him run for his life from whoever Thomas is blocking.
The only reason we're running these designed runs at all is because we simply can't reliably generate offense without them.
Everytime a QB gets hit, he risks getting hurt. And everytime a QB takes off with the ball, he gives himself an extra opportunity to get hit. I like that we have a QB who can run fast enough to get a speeding ticket in a school zone, but I think he gets hit enough as it is, thanks.
Zero people will remember this by next week because the Giants scored a TD on the drive anyway.
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i mean the dude is a great athlete and he can't just run without falling down? like running is that hard? people will be laughing at this for years
Zero people will remember this by next week because the Giants scored a TD on the drive anyway.
Yup didn’t this happen to Ogletree a couple of years ago? Might have even been last year?
+1
I Love everything about this team. They are young and trying very hard ... with a few more high draft picks and the maturity of a team that comes only with time they will own the NFC East in about 2-3 seasons (IMO).
p.s. not arguing with you jvm but there is probably 2-3 QBs in the league today that can run an 80 yard sprint and not get winded. It is to bad he did not make it because it would have been legendary .... : ).
Phil Simms could have never have finished that run and neither would have Eli ... but, they would have had the QB finesse and maturity to just slide after 10 - 20 or whatever yards. Jones is still very young and wants the "golden ring" on every play. I love his sense of competition. His choices will get better with age. In another 1-2 years he will have never ran until exhaustion and will make a more graceful exit (of the play - : ) ).
On the last drive maybe?
SMH
But you are all correct. Why didn't they call it again, although Gallman did a very good job running after that. T
They won't, the result was a TD. How many bone headed plays do you see weekly that you forget? Yeah, me too.
This is the kind of stuff that goes down in an Eagle game...like clockwork.
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i mean the dude is a great athlete and he can't just run without falling down? like running is that hard? people will be laughing at this for years
Zero people will remember this by next week because the Giants scored a TD on the drive anyway.
I think that if Jones becomes the Giants' franchise QB for the next 10-15 years, getting tripped up by the 10 yard line will be mostly forgotten.
If he never becomes a franchise guy it will be part of Jones's low-lights video, along with all the fumbles.
Only thing worse would have been if he fumbled or got hurt.
A lot of the morning shows are replaying it with that take.
On the last drive maybe?
SMH
It wasn't an RPO
This was from the Washington game. Now add another big run.
Its their best weapon this year.
That's a gamer.
If the next play had started from the 12 instead of the 8, maybe the Giants don't score the TD and "the fall" would be even harder to live down.
This was from the Washington game. Now add another big run.
Its their best weapon this year.
I read he hit 21.2+ yesterday ...and how many QBs in the league can go 80 yards at top speed? Maybe 4-5 at the most. He plays his heart out on every play and you can’t ask for anything else.
On the last drive maybe?
SMH
I think part of why you don't is because Daniel Jones is as fast as Lamar, but he's nowhere near as elusive. He's not making anyone miss. The times he has taken on a tackler, he just barrels into him.
The reality is Daniel Jones is NOT an RPO quarterback.
However, what I'd like to see more of, is him running for 5-10 yards when it's available on rollouts.
Force the defense to pay attention to his running risk, it has to open up space for his WR's somewhere
This is exactly right. He is fast, but has no moves at all. He should be running whenever he has open field in front of him, but I really don't think a lot of designed runs for him are in the cards.
I certainly don't expect runs like last night, or him to shake defenders, but quality yards here and there is completely attainable.
On the last drive maybe?
SMH
It was a zone read, not an RPO, and they couldn't have run it in the last drive, they had no TO's.
I don't want Garrett calling these too often, he doesn't have to. It exposes DJ to unnecessary hits. Just the treat of the zone read can give ER's a second of hesitation in pursuit plays. The threat of the ZR helps the running game overall.
We have to get over this fear of every QB getting "killed". If he isnt durable enough to play I'd like to know in 2020, not 2021.
When they showed the shot from behind DJ at the start of the play, you can see the field WIDE open. Best decision he made. Saw it immediately and reacted.
Part of the head scratching decisions that is the Giants...how do we not run that again multiple times? If he's that fast, no DE is catching him to the outside (think Kyler Murray against the Cowgirls). Then they'd have to start running zone to keep him in front of them. Better strategy than having him run for his life from whoever Thomas is blocking.
Be careful not to conflate top speed with acceleration. DJ exceeding 21 MPH is incredible, but it doesn't necessarily mean that he could get to the corner with the same explosiveness as Kyler Murray.
In his defense - do you think he practices running 80 yards at 21 MPH? His legs and his lungs must have been going crazy. Have some mercy...
Would love to see some more designed runs for him.
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Why the fuck didn't we run another RPO the rest of the game?
On the last drive maybe?
SMH
I think part of why you don't is because Daniel Jones is as fast as Lamar, but he's nowhere near as elusive. He's not making anyone miss. The times he has taken on a tackler, he just barrels into him.
The reality is Daniel Jones is NOT an RPO quarterback.
However, what I'd like to see more of, is him running for 5-10 yards when it's available on rollouts.
Force the defense to pay attention to his running risk, it has to open up space for his WR's somewhere
Jones is not as fast as Lamar.
You can talk underwear 40 times all you like - their game top speed is equal.8
You can talk underwear 40 times all you like - their game top speed is equal.8
there's more to speed than top end. There's quickness and acceleration. There's also the eye test. Daniel Jones is not as fast as Lamar.