Yes, I'm as pissed as anyone for losing the way we did last night.
I fucking hate the Eagles. Can't stand them. I cursed at the screen all night because of how bad I hate losing to them, cursed at our team, at the refs. Madre Harper needs to pay the piper. Engram is an athlete non-football player with a loser's karma the size of a naval boat anchor. Real coach/team killer. Maybe a practice superstar, but not a gamer. He needs to be jettison'ed. The ticky tack penalties were killer of course.
All that said, and even with the talent deficiencies, this is the first time that I felt the Giants weren't laughingly out-coached by Pederson. In fact, I think Judge was far superior and kept us in it. I felt that way in Dallas against McCarthy. Of course he beat Rivera. We've been kept in close games against Chicago & LA.
This coach is the real freaking deal. Our roster is super young, very undermanned with talent, have a losing culture to overcome, and we still don't know how to finish at all -- another teaching point last night. But... I cannot help but feel when Judge shook Pederson's hand at the end of the game, that it was Pederson this time that felt like he got away with one, and that the days of walking easily over the Giants is over.
With the way the Eagles core is aging, Wentz is spiraling, and our coaching staff keeps us in games every week, if the Giants can figure out a way to juice up this roster, Judge continues to lay the foundation for a winning culture and eradicates the chronic loser-ship, I truly believe we are on the upswing. I needed to see it against the Eagles because of how they've owned our asses, especially coaching-wise. We let them off the hook last night, but when we truly understand how to win, that won't be happening anymore. As frustrating as the loss was, I think this is a turning point.
If DG is out, Judge needs to be a major part of the selection process for GM so that those two can not only be on the same page, but starting on the same paragraph, and going line-by-line toward building a winner in lockstep.
I believe in coach Judge. I'm pissed we lost, but I feel we really have something special in him. I don't think you're going to see the division winning streaks continue against us much longer, and the rest of the division knows it.
I’d look to trade Engram & Tate for draft picks if you can get anything.
They will when they get better players - it is that obvious.
You cannot trot a Ryan Lewis out there and have him give up a 53 yarder against Dallas and a 59 yarder against Philly when any one or two minute delay in time wins you the game
Aside from the fucking team in DC.
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but they have to start winning some games.
They will when they get better players - it is that obvious.
You cannot trot a Ryan Lewis out there and have him give up a 53 yarder against Dallas and a 59 yarder against Philly when any one or two minute delay in time wins you the game
Hope you are right
Couple of years, fuck that, this team cant be 1 6 after seven weeks next year. If you go into a season with a developmental mentality you are already doomed.
I hope they win again this year.
Matt, absolutely.
And scenes like what you describe are exactly what replays in my mind over and over. Literally laughing, on camera, at how stupid coaches like Shurmur were. How bad does it have to be to where another coach is laughing in public at your head coach? I just know Doug wasn't laughing last night against our scrappy under-handed squad, and the shoe will soon be on the other foot if we can build this team up properly. No more cake-walks, Mr. Pederson.
Helps the losses not hit as hard..
I also thing thinknthey have their coach which will help because i think with his input they will turn this team around quicker then we think
That was up there with the worst of the Philly losses, and I lost it in a way that I haven't in quite a long time after that game. I couldn't sleep last night. I'm gonna have to listen to shit all day here at work and I'm gonna have to do it with a smile because I wont give them the satisfaction.
Once Gettleman is gone, once the roster is *competently* rebuilt, hopefully right about the time Philly is trying to figure out what to do with Wentz and Love and Pederson's job rides on the outcome... that will be an enjoyable day.
Talent helps, but come on, so many other teams dont let every 3rd down passrush get there in 2-3 seconds for a strip sack. Come on.
I still remember them laughing at how unprepared our special teams was that game. I think that would never happen under Judge and his situational thinking. I hope he's the guy.
I'm no fan of Pedersen but the Eagles rallied from an 11 point deficit with 6 minutes to go without their two best RB's, two best tight ends, their top three receivers and scrubs on the o-line. Give the devil his due. Outcoached my ass.
Go ahead and have faith in Judge but until he starts winning some games around here, he's just another tough-talking Patriot assistant that is nothing without Lil Bill in back of him.
If you are watching these games and think this team isn't playing a different brand of football from the previous few years then I seriously question your opinions on anything related to football.
Losing Barkley, McKinney, Baker & Beal off an already thin team was a killer.
I do agree that Judge looks like a very prepared coach which is nice but until that translates to wins not sure my HOPE can take it.
Please get some more talent on this team 🙏
Also, we were thoroughly outplayed in the first half and were lucky to enter halftime only down 3.
If you are watching these games and think this team isn't playing a different brand of football from the previous few years then I seriously question your opinions on anything related to football.
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if you are only looking at record then you aren't applying any critical thinking. Sure, record is all that matters but since the team stinks we kinda have to look past that right now. Going on every thread crying about the record seems like low hanging fruit.
If you are watching these games and think this team isn't playing a different brand of football from the previous few years then I seriously question your opinions on anything related to football.
Please explain how it is a different brand of football so we may all benefit from your wisdom because this sure looks like Shurmur's team with a worse offense to us uninitiated.
I've already explained. I've got nothing more to say to you - I've read your posts this morning. You want to keep repeating the same things and don't want to apply any critical thinking. You are an angry fan and you are entitled to that. But conversing with you is a fruitless exercise.
Terps, JonC, and plenty of other quality posters disagree with you.
It won't, we are going to win some games. We don't have a shot at Lawrence, we'd basically need to go 2-14 and even that may not be enough.
I mean, "better than Pat Shurmur" isn't exactly a demanding standard to meet.
Offense-worse-no Barkley, new system, not enough talent.
They did not lose last night because of talent.
They also beat the 49ers, a team that kicked the shit out of us.
It seems every time the Giants are *this* close to winning a game a lot of people just say oh the other team is terrible.
Losing sucks, there's no excuses, this team just needs to fucking win. But let's at least be honest.
97 Yard drive....whoopee. We still can't finish. DJ still turns the ball over. Engram still can't catch. The D couldn't make a stop when it mattered.
I get Joe Judge sounds intelligent and I believe that he is. Only results matter. I am tired of excuses, I am tired of moral victories. Win or STFU.
When did that kick happen? LOL
I'm 50 year + fan. As heartbreaking as last night was the bigger picture is this team is filled with terrible players. Until the Mara brothers hire a real GM and step back from picking the players the NYG are doomed.
Anyone who posts things like the guy above have no idea what they're watching. Half of the Giants starters would struggle to make the roster of the best teams in the league.
As a general rule, I ignore what people say. Every single person on this planet says the things that make them look good. It is all bullshit. I focus instead on actions and results. You can only be conned if you listen.
This^^
Until this franchise starts to close out winnable games Judge will be toeing a very fine line.
That was up there with the worst of the Philly losses, and I lost it in a way that I haven't in quite a long time after that game. I couldn't sleep last night.
I have handled losses like taking out the garbage the last few years. But not Philly. I called a Engram a fucking cunt at the top of lungs in front of my wife and son. They bring out the worst in me. I despise them. Living in south Jersey will do that to a man.
Jackson and Parkey and now Engram. Three crushing losses that all should have been wins. Fuck Philly.
Philly had one starter playing at the end of the game on the O-Line. DECIMATED and drove to score.
The 49ers had 162 guys out and pushed our shit in.
Our talent is bad but teams are beating us with street free agents playing serious time.
I'm 50 year + fan. As heartbreaking as last night was the bigger picture is this team is filled with terrible players. Until the Mara brothers hire a real GM and step back from picking the players the NYG are doomed.
Anyone who posts things like the guy above have no idea what they're watching. Half of the Giants starters would struggle to make the roster of the best teams in the league.
True, but the Eagles beat them with a cast of scrubs and a completely devastated offensive line (while we’ve had 7 games of OL health). Ever hear of John Hightower? Me neither. Good teams win with backups and waiver wire talent. We are hopefully going to move some day to where the Eagles are, a core of winners like Kelce, Cox, and Graham — but who knows.
Philly had one starter playing at the end of the game on the O-Line. DECIMATED and drove to score.
The 49ers had 162 guys out and pushed our shit in.
Our talent is bad but teams are beating us with street free agents playing serious time.
You know he's building a program from scratch right? Pederson has built his, injuries and all. Shanahan has built his, injuries and all. Good programs can handle injuries, its just that simple.
Give me 2-3 years of Judge building his program and I'm of the opinion its going to look a lot like the ones you quoted. Don't know what else to tell you, you just need to wait.