I know he has little talent to work with (Though that is a bit overstated)
But as I said in a thread last night.
Dallas last possession....TD
redskins last possession...TD
Philly...final 2 possessions TD
What kind of coaching is that?
Penalty's, blown assignments, miscommunication, flat out beat man on man
I have seen this movie far too often in the last 8-10 years
The names change and the results are always the same.
When will this end?
There is only so mucb a coorsinator can do,if the talent is not there then it is not going to work, he tried to go zone to hide some of hia secondary, but eventually he had to go man..
And Dallas didnt score a td on their last drive, it was a field goal..
The late game TD's are frustrating, but this defense is FAR better than last year. My thought after last night was don't get to used to Graham as DC, he may be a HC soon.
It comes from years of losing, and not having leaders on the team knowing how to finish. Graham is the right guy, just need to get him some weapons on defense.
A lot of these defensive backs were late camp additions and for the most part they are playing the schemes well.
There is a lot about injuries to other teams but there has been a lot of games missed by our starters.
You can arguably say that here are our starters that missed last night... OLB - Carter and Ximines. LB - Crowder S - McKinney (and then Colbert) CB - Holmes.
I'd really like to get McKinney (and Crowder) back this year to see what we have.
Lewis did the same thing versus Dallas. He lost the ball in the air and fell down.
The Giants spend almost all of their resources on Offense and leave the defense just scraps. The defense is super young, has tons of turnover this year, has substantial injury issues, and no one who can really rush the QB and he's still got them to play as an above average Unit with an offense that can't sustain drives and turns the ball over a ton.
Yes, the Defense isn't 'elite'; but given what he's got to work with, he's been fantastic. If the Offense was nearly as productive the Giants would be well on their way to the playoffs.
The late game TD's are frustrating, but this defense is FAR better than last year. My thought after last night was don't get to used to Graham as DC, he may be a HC soon.
It seems Graham is getting credit for improving a defense that had a large cash infusion for FA in the offseason. I don't know that Graham, who was shown the door in Miami, is headed for a head coaching spot anytime soon.
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on Lewis to commit defensive holding on a one play, and then to lose his man in coverage deep down the field on the next play. Those aren't scheme/call issues, that is a bad player making bad plays.
Lewis did the same thing versus Dallas. He lost the ball in the air and fell down.
Lewis is an undrafted free agent on his 8th team. He's our number 2 corner and our defense is still respectable. That says a lot about Graham in itself.
You have to scheme for what you have, and right now that means playing coverage that best matches poor personnel. If Lewis is a liability in coverage (and he is) teams will scheme to go after him. With little to no pass rush you can only scheme around a bad secondary so much.
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on Lewis to commit defensive holding on a one play, and then to lose his man in coverage deep down the field on the next play. Those aren't scheme/call issues, that is a bad player making bad plays.
Lewis did the same thing versus Dallas. He lost the ball in the air and fell down.
Lewis is an undrafted free agent on his 8th team. He's our number 2 corner and our defense is still respectable. That says a lot about Graham in itself.
I agree, he's kept the defense respectable with PS caliber players starting at premium positions.
There is only so mucb a coorsinator can do,if the talent is not there then it is not going to work, he tried to go zone to hide some of hia secondary, but eventually he had to go man..
And Dallas didnt score a td on their last drive, it was a field goal..
They were gassed on the next to last drive when the offense had held the ball how long?
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on Lewis to commit defensive holding on a one play, and then to lose his man in coverage deep down the field on the next play. Those aren't scheme/call issues, that is a bad player making bad plays.
Lewis did the same thing versus Dallas. He lost the ball in the air and fell down.
Lewis is an undrafted free agent on his 8th team. He's our number 2 corner and our defense is still respectable. That says a lot about Graham in itself.
The team is playing multiple practice squad guys in the secondary during crunch time - Madre Harper, Ryan Lewis - and those are the guys making the critical mistakes that lost the game.
It should be. We have the 9th highest paid DE in the League, the 7th highest paid corner, the 10th highest paid inside lb, Ryan is the 37th highest paid corner (which sounds ok until you think there are 32 teams and 96 corners and slot corners who play on a regular basis), a first rounder DT and a first rounder safety playing.
It seems Graham is getting credit for improving a defense that had a large cash infusion for FA in the offseason. I don't know that Graham, who was shown the door in Miami, is headed for a head coaching spot anytime soon.
I don't care what they're getting paid, that is not on Graham. I stand by what I said, Bradbury is the only DB worthwhile, Logan Ryan is a good rotational CB, but shouldn't be playing outside on every down. He has no pass rushers, so has to create pressure from blitz schemes. The personnel is little better than last year, but with much better results.
Hes got no elite players. Bradberry, Martinez, Lawrence, Tomlinson and Williams are good-to-very-good players. Everybody else? ehhhhhh
Hightower beat Lewis...the Philly OL except their center was getting abused all year......The 49ers were playing their C squad........Andy Dalton ran up the field with under a minute......Kyle Allen led that drive with 2 minutes.......
We seem to play improved defense until it's time to win
Getting Darnay Holmes and Colbert back will help too. Ebner should not be seeing the field..
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Will plug a hole...Crowder returns, plug another....too bad Baker and or Beal wasn’t there to plug up a third hole.
Getting Darnay Holmes and Colbert back will help too. Ebner should not be seeing the field..
did ebner drop an easy pick on the 2nd to last drive?
has not helped in two of the last three games.
He allowed completions deep, late in the game.
You can't let a WR get behind you late in the game,
he's not a starting caliber corner, no wonder he has bounced around the league.
They need to draft a CB early in the draft.
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Will plug a hole...Crowder returns, plug another....too bad Baker and or Beal wasn’t there to plug up a third hole.
Getting Darnay Holmes and Colbert back will help too. Ebner should not be seeing the field..
did ebner drop an easy pick on the 2nd to last drive?
I don't even know why Ebner is even out there myself?
He is nothing more than a special teams player, I guess
they are desperate. I can assure you that BB didn't use him on defense, with the Pats.
Gotta look at the depth and see how poor it is before attacking the guy who was pegged as the 4th S.
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Logan Ryan is a 4th corner on a good team, and he is arguably our 2nd. He has no ER's, so he has to manufacture a pass rush. His safeties stink, LB's are fair, the only good unit is the interior DL.
The late game TD's are frustrating, but this defense is FAR better than last year. My thought after last night was don't get to used to Graham as DC, he may be a HC soon.
It should be. We have the 9th highest paid DE in the League, the 7th highest paid corner, the 10th highest paid inside lb, Ryan is the 37th highest paid corner (which sounds ok until you think there are 32 teams and 96 corners and slot corners who play on a regular basis), a first rounder DT and a first rounder safety playing.
It seems Graham is getting credit for improving a defense that had a large cash infusion for FA in the offseason. I don't know that Graham, who was shown the door in Miami, is headed for a head coaching spot anytime soon.
New contracts always result in higher paid players, pretty flawed way of gauging how well this defense should or shouldn't do. We still don't have a pass rusher so no matter how many times you type "DE" for Williams, he's not an edge rusher.
You know as well as I do that the defense is playing far above its talent level. I can't think of s single BBIer that thought this defense would be good heading into this season, so don't act like this isn't a surprise and Graham isn't having a positive effect on the the D.
Players aren't talented? I grant that some were late round draft picks with low expectations, but they are all pros and should know not to commit penalties.
Players were gassed? Come on, are they not running sprints in practice? The offense held the ball for 8 minutes before those final 2 drives. That was plenty of time to rest.
To me, the lack of discipline late in this game was on the coaches, not only Graham, but also his assistants.
Players aren't talented? I grant that some were late round draft picks with low expectations, but they are all pros and should know not to commit penalties.
Players were gassed? Come on, are they not running sprints in practice? The offense held the ball for 8 minutes before those final 2 drives. That was plenty of time to rest.
To me, the lack of discipline late in this game was on the coaches, not only Graham, but also his assistants.
They were committing penalties because they were beaten. That is a talent issue. Guys commit penalties when they are beaten to stop something much worse than happening. That isn't on the coaches. In fact the only thing that pissed me off from a coaching standpoint is Ryan can't get beat deep there. We were up 11 no reason not to give a big a cushion as you need. Of course, we'd have people here crying about Prevent defense, but up 11 the clock is our friend and it's not like these guys are good.
Big difference between undisciplined, dumb penalties and what we saw the Giants give up. Or technique that these guys are obviously taught leading to penalties.
The Giants as a TEAM doesn't finish games.
Here's a hint dude. When you want to broadly paint a coach or player or anyone as inept...
Don't make your point on a highly limited data set.
That's called citing examples simply to prove your point, its not any kind of insightful analysis.
They were committing penalties because they were beaten. That is a talent issue. Guys commit penalties when they are beaten to stop something much worse than happening.
Do you mean beaten physically, or overmatched by opponent?
No, I think we have our DC, unless he gets signed away.