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Giants have resisted trade offers for Evan Engram

Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/23/2020 10:37 am
Not clear if Dunleavy is talking only about prior years, but this is ANOTHER report saying there were offers.

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The Giants have resisted trade offers in the past on their 2017 first-round draft pick — this year’s trade deadline is Nov. 3 — waiting for the breakthrough believed to be on the cusp if he could avoid the rash of injuries that cut short his last two seasons. Well, he’s healthy now.

Evan Engram left with ‘sucky feeling’ after disastrous Giants drop - ( New Window )
The more  
pjcas18 : 10/23/2020 10:39 am : link
he plays the worse the trade offer will be.

Run another reverse to Engram, and no one will trade even a coveted late round pick for him.
Give me a conditional  
Harvest Blend : 10/23/2020 10:41 am : link
7th.

Cut your losses considering he's a much higher risk of getting hurt and getting that option than being worth a shit. He's not a player you can win with.
We are beyond the point of being picky on a return  
Chris684 : 10/23/2020 10:43 am : link
for this guy.

We have to make him available and take what we can get.

I don't see how you can get better than a 5th, maybe a 4th in a real longshot.
Just take his salary  
M.S. : 10/23/2020 10:43 am : link

And no need to give us any picks whatsoever.

Getting rid of Evan Engram is a huge addition by subtraction.
I need beer for the weekend.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/23/2020 10:44 am : link
I'll trade him for a 12 pack of Sweetwater IPA.
I'd be surprised if he could get more than a 5th.  
mittenedman : 10/23/2020 10:45 am : link
All his flaws are on full display over a large sample size now.

You can't even use this guy in preseason because he's so fragile. It's ridiculous. People wonder why he isn't playing WR or is never split out wide? His route running is atrocious. Any S or CB would eat him alive in coverage, as most Linebackers do. Fade to the end zone? Nope - hands and coordination aren't there. Terrible on a 50/50 ball.

Let someone else try to work him into their O.
While ....  
dschwarz in westchester : 10/23/2020 10:45 am : link
I would be totally fine with the Giants trading Engram, I don't see the rush to do so.

The Giants aren't going to get a premium pick for him. So would you rather have a 6th round pick next year or would you like to continue to gamble that someone finds a way to use Engram's all-world athletic abilities to turn him into a productive football player?

Given that the Giants are not going anywhere this year, I'd be just as happy keeping the high-upside proposition than dumping him for effectively nothing.
Get on it - take whatever you can get  
PatersonPlank : 10/23/2020 10:46 am : link

It's  
AcidTest : 10/23/2020 10:47 am : link
not going to happen here in all likelihood. This is a classic situation where it's in the best interest of both parties to part ways. I hope the Giants aren't holding on to him because Jones has so few targets. Engram already drops too many passes. I'm not saying we should trade him for next to nothing, but a mid to high third would be enough. He needs a fresh start, and it's unlikely we will resign him when he becomes a FA in 2022.
RE: While ....  
Saquads26 : 10/23/2020 10:47 am : link
In comment 15021658 dschwarz in westchester said:
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I would be totally fine with the Giants trading Engram, I don't see the rush to do so.

The Giants aren't going to get a premium pick for him. So would you rather have a 6th round pick next year or would you like to continue to gamble that someone finds a way to use Engram's all-world athletic abilities to turn him into a productive football player?

Given that the Giants are not going anywhere this year, I'd be just as happy keeping the high-upside proposition than dumping him for effectively nothing.


It’s been 4 years, there is no upside. He’s trash and needs to go
RE: While ....  
PatersonPlank : 10/23/2020 10:48 am : link
In comment 15021658 dschwarz in westchester said:
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I would be totally fine with the Giants trading Engram, I don't see the rush to do so.

The Giants aren't going to get a premium pick for him. So would you rather have a 6th round pick next year or would you like to continue to gamble that someone finds a way to use Engram's all-world athletic abilities to turn him into a productive football player?

Given that the Giants are not going anywhere this year, I'd be just as happy keeping the high-upside proposition than dumping him for effectively nothing.


I no longer believe he has high upside. I now believe he is just fast, probably very athletic, but not a football player. He should try out for track next season.
RE: While ....  
Harvest Blend : 10/23/2020 10:49 am : link
In comment 15021658 dschwarz in westchester said:
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I would be totally fine with the Giants trading Engram, I don't see the rush to do so.

The Giants aren't going to get a premium pick for him. So would you rather have a 6th round pick next year or would you like to continue to gamble that someone finds a way to use Engram's all-world athletic abilities to turn him into a productive football player?

Given that the Giants are not going anywhere this year, I'd be just as happy keeping the high-upside proposition than dumping him for effectively nothing.


And paying him, what, $6m next year? Fuck that.
It depends on what the offer is  
UberAlias : 10/23/2020 10:51 am : link
If it's a 4th, I'm jumping all over it. A 6th? I'd pass. As frustrating as EE is, this is a team that is severely lacking in talent for our young QB to throw to. EE is still better than many of the alternatives.
I would do it for a 5th also  
UberAlias : 10/23/2020 10:53 am : link
But I think folks are under estimating our options.
Trading him makes all the sense in the world  
GFiLA : 10/23/2020 10:55 am : link
For the people that think that we would be better off keeping him I have a question if he is not in our plans why wouldn’t you play the other TEs to see if they are? He is a tease and a coach killer taking up snaps from others that should be getting them.

He is fast but can’t block, run crisp routes and can’t catch. With those skills it wouldn’t even make sense to move him to WR.
It's knowing that he was a 1st rd pick  
ATL_Giants : 10/23/2020 10:57 am : link
that makes it so painful. Keep him around? I guess, but not at anything that resembles an expensive contract.
No reason to think the other TEs are any better.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/23/2020 10:58 am : link
Kaden Smith has a fan club because he's not Engram, but he's allegedly a blocking TE and I see him blow assignments left and right. Toiolo is a blocker they don't even try to work into the offense.
As Others Have Said  
Trainmaster : 10/23/2020 10:58 am : link
Likely not getting an offer for a better than a 5th round pick.

With any pipe dreams of winning the division very likely gone, it's time to 100% focus on 2021 and beyond. Engram shouldn't be part of those plans.

Dump Engram and Zeitler, get two picks to bring us back up to 7 and call it a day.
RE: No reason to think the other TEs are any better.  
AcidTest : 10/23/2020 10:59 am : link
In comment 15021720 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Kaden Smith has a fan club because he's not Engram, but he's allegedly a blocking TE and I see him blow assignments left and right. Toiolo is a blocker they don't even try to work into the offense.


Why did we even sign Toiolo?
RE: I need beer for the weekend.  
MattyKid : 10/23/2020 10:59 am : link
In comment 15021654 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I'll trade him for a 12 pack of Sweetwater IPA.


Hilarious!
Good lord, if we do it now  
widmerseyebrow : 10/23/2020 11:06 am : link
It's gotta be when his trade value is at its absolute lowest right? I'm not even talking about his huge drop, the guy's catch % is not good.
Guys  
Everyone Relax : 10/23/2020 11:08 am : link
you never know what kind of due diligence other teams do. They might be reading this board trying to get as much information on Engram as possible.
That being said, I think he's a potential stud! Give him the right coaching and offense and I see an offensive MVP in his future. I would maybe consider trading him for 2nd ;)
Trade? I'd be fine with cutting him  
islander1 : 10/23/2020 11:11 am : link
he's useless.
Maybe we could get another Kaden Smith with a 4.92 40 time  
Marty in Albany : 10/23/2020 11:12 am : link
to replace him. There is no shame in keeping Engram. The shame is that he is the best TE we have had for the last few years.

Get rid of whatever process is responsible for getting Engram.
wouldn't give up a pick for him (not going to get high pick)  
bc4life : 10/23/2020 11:22 am : link
but the right player yes
I'd rather have a starting quality player  
David B. : 10/23/2020 11:33 am : link
than picks. There's too many undeveloped players on the team already. Wherever EE goes, he's gonna PLAY. I would hope they could get a veteran player in return. Doesn't have to be a "star" -- just a decent starter.
So glad they have held out  
LBH15 : 10/23/2020 11:35 am : link
his value is sky-rocketing every additional game he plays.
RE: While ....  
FStubbs : 10/23/2020 11:36 am : link
In comment 15021658 dschwarz in westchester said:
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I would be totally fine with the Giants trading Engram, I don't see the rush to do so.

The Giants aren't going to get a premium pick for him. So would you rather have a 6th round pick next year or would you like to continue to gamble that someone finds a way to use Engram's all-world athletic abilities to turn him into a productive football player?

Given that the Giants are not going anywhere this year, I'd be just as happy keeping the high-upside proposition than dumping him for effectively nothing.


If there is any upside to Engram it isn't happening here. Maybe we get a player with that 6th round pick.
As  
AcidTest : 10/23/2020 11:38 am : link
I and others have said, it depends what you can get for him. But we should at least investigate trading him. We only five picks next year, the team needs to be rebuilt yet again, his hands are at best inconsistent, and he can't block. But his speed might be attractive to some teams.

We should also investigate trading Tate, Zeitler, Peppers, and pretty much anyone else. Give the new GM as many draft assets as possible.
RE: I'd rather have a starting quality player  
jvm52106 : 10/23/2020 12:00 pm : link
In comment 15021815 David B. said:
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than picks. There's too many undeveloped players on the team already. Wherever EE goes, he's gonna PLAY. I would hope they could get a veteran player in return. Doesn't have to be a "star" -- just a decent starter.


Your argument looses water when you look at his body of work. He hasn't even been good at his position, let alone great and he is imjured aclot.. Cut bait!
I thought they should have  
Carson53 : 10/23/2020 12:14 pm : link
moved him last trading deadline, if they can get at least
a 5th Rd. pick for him, I would do it this year.
What a disappointment he has been!
They signed a big tight end to a two year deal,
in the 'offseason', and he hardly plays.
He is more of a blocker, and I looked at his contract,
all his guaranteed money seems to be this year.
Great  
Matt M. : 10/23/2020 12:16 pm : link
I guess we can use another 5th or 6th round pick
RE: The more  
BillKo : 10/23/2020 12:49 pm : link
In comment 15021638 pjcas18 said:
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he plays the worse the trade offer will be.

Run another reverse to Engram, and no one will trade even a coveted late round pick for him.


Teams have plenty of tape on him.........they know what they'd be getting. Sans dropped past last night, or reverse runs from this season.

Teams always think they can change a guy. And sometimes it does work.........I'd trade him for a pick simply because it's not worth having him on the roster next year at that price.

He's bringing zero to the table except potential......and now he's literally losing games for you.
Engram  
Simms : 10/23/2020 12:59 pm : link
Getting a pick for us to draft a player who would suck anyway because our front office is clueless ....

Although could see him so well for other teams, Pittsburgh, Seattle, etc.
RE: It depends on what the offer is  
Kyle_ : 10/23/2020 1:20 pm : link
In comment 15021690 UberAlias said:
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If it's a 4th, I'm jumping all over it. A 6th? I'd pass. As frustrating as EE is, this is a team that is severely lacking in talent for our young QB to throw to. EE is still better than many of the alternatives.

There's nothing to show he's better than the alternatives at this point beyond his combine test results.
EE can't be a part of the long term  
Dnew15 : 10/23/2020 1:41 pm : link
plan for the NYG.

Unload him for whatever you can get.
The one thing he’s supposed  
Simms11 : 10/23/2020 4:56 pm : link
to be good at is catching the ball and he can’t do that. He can run, but doesn’t mean squat without the ball in your hands! This offense is not designed for him and Garrett is trying to get him involved. We need a real TE next year now too! Free Agency could bring one our way.
wonder if a  
bc4life : 10/23/2020 4:58 pm : link
sports shrink would help. dropping is concentration
and trade deadline  
bc4life : 10/23/2020 5:24 pm : link
a week away. could still happen
This is Jerry Reese to a tee  
ghost718 : 10/23/2020 5:58 pm : link
except Jerry is long gone

Teams will look at his speed  
section125 : 10/23/2020 6:06 pm : link
and want him. They may move him to WR, because look at what Chase Claypool is doing for Pittsburgh - about the same size and Engram is faster.
Andy Reid would get something done with him and McVay might also. Bet Pete Carroll would/
RE: Teams will look at his speed  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/23/2020 6:41 pm : link
In comment 15022566 section125 said:
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and want him. They may move him to WR, because look at what Chase Claypool is doing for Pittsburgh - about the same size and Engram is faster.
Andy Reid would get something done with him and McVay might also. Bet Pete Carroll would/


No NFL guy is looking at EE and thinking he needs a change of scenery to be Claypool. Claypool is like the antithesis of EE if anything. Claypool is physical, high pionts the ball well, makes contested catches, and doesn't suffer from concentration drops. The only thing that they are both similar is aren't very good route runners. Difference is Claypool actually uses his frame and can box guys out and make contested catches.
Lol oh yeah  
NoGainDayne : 10/23/2020 6:49 pm : link
that's all Evan Engram needs to do to be Chase Claypool, different play calls.

How did our 3 different coaching staffs miss that one?
Heard leading up the draft in 2019  
JonC : 10/23/2020 7:06 pm : link
there was a #3 pick offered for him.
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Peppers : 10/23/2020 7:39 pm : link
The Saints were one of them..
RE: RE: It depends on what the offer is  
BigBlueShock : 10/23/2020 8:03 pm : link
In comment 15022102 Kyle_ said:
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In comment 15021690 UberAlias said:


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If it's a 4th, I'm jumping all over it. A 6th? I'd pass. As frustrating as EE is, this is a team that is severely lacking in talent for our young QB to throw to. EE is still better than many of the alternatives.


There's nothing to show he's better than the alternatives at this point beyond his combine test results.

Joe Judge said himself that getting Engram involved more has been a priority but the opponents are focusing their defenses on stopping him. So apparently those “combine results” are having an affect on defensive gameplanning? Are they gameplanning for Kaden Smith? I’m guessing no....
RE: It depends on what the offer is  
EricJ : 10/23/2020 8:12 pm : link
In comment 15021690 UberAlias said:
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If it's a 4th, I'm jumping all over it. A 6th? I'd pass. As frustrating as EE is, this is a team that is severely lacking in talent for our young QB to throw to. EE is still better than many of the alternatives.


100% wrong here. He is not a talent. Other than running fast for a tight end, please tell me what talent he has? He cannot catch, he cannot run routes, and he cannot block. So.. he is not a tight end. He does not have the hands or the speed to be a WR either.

Smith is a better tight end than Engram. The guy is not as fast but he can catch and block.
If you are the buyer for him  
.McL. : 10/23/2020 8:27 pm : link
What are you buying?
8 games and then what?

The right to pay him 6M for his 5th year option?
Would anybody pay him 6M per at this point?

If you don't pick up the option he is a UFA. I don't see there being any market at all for him.
RE: If you are the buyer for him  
NoGainDayne : 10/23/2020 8:29 pm : link
In comment 15022709 .McL. said:
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What are you buying?
8 games and then what?

The right to pay him 6M for his 5th year option?
Would anybody pay him 6M per at this point?

If you don't pick up the option he is a UFA. I don't see there being any market at all for him.


I could see someone offering a 6 or 7 but I don't think we'd take that IMO
frustrating as he is I don't see a trade  
bc4life : 10/23/2020 9:44 pm : link
At least he's a threat. You take him away - without a dependable running game, you're taking one of the few credible threats Jones has. I don't see them doing that to him (Jones) - especially for a later round pick.

Use him this and next year and what happens...happens
As long as we're conversing about Engram...  
BlueLou'sBack : 10/24/2020 2:14 am : link
I tell you what irritated me about him almost as much as the balls the went off or through his hands last night.

In his post game interview, where he announced how sucky he felt, he said something like "maybe the outcome of the game would have been different" if he had caught the third down bomb from Jones.

Dude, Evan, look straight into the fooking mirror... There was NO "MAYBE" there. You make that catch, your team WINS, BRO!

Fooking take some responsibility.

Practice catching the ball incessantly, in your sleep, give up sex, meditate on the ball sticking in your hands, vosualize it 24/7, whatever it fooking takes.

But also, just take responsibility when the team's loss is a thorn crown on your head.

Not "maybe."
I hope they resist no more.  
jpkmets : 10/24/2020 3:22 am : link
Would settle for a seventh, take a sixth, and be overjoyed at a fifth. He’s a huge net negative.
I hope they resist no more.  
jpkmets : 10/24/2020 3:22 am : link
Would settle for a seventh, take a sixth, and be overjoyed at a fifth. He’s a huge net negative.
I think the play with Engram should be a player for player  
LBH15 : 10/24/2020 8:34 am : link
trade. Maybe somebody else that needs a change of scenery like he does.

Just spitballing
LBH15  
bc4life : 10/24/2020 10:36 am : link
That would make more sense, IMHO.
RE: I think the play with Engram should be a player for player  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/24/2020 10:40 am : link
In comment 15022903 LBH15 said:
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trade. Maybe somebody else that needs a change of scenery like he does.

Just spitballing


David Njoku comes to mind honestly. We desperately need a redzone threat and he's been injured and a disappointment there as well. I'd pull the trigger on that trade in a second.
the player for player idea is a good- if you look at the '17 draft  
Eric on Li : 10/24/2020 10:46 am : link
you can see some of those guys have either already been moved (Jordan Willis) or are on teams who have decisions coming up that seem unlikely to bring them back. Juju comes to mind as a player having a poor year unlikely to go back to his team due to cost whereas Engram might be affordable enough for them to bring back (he's duplicative of Ebron, but also probably better).

Kenny Golladay was in that draft class as well and Rico had him rumored to possibly be on the move.

Peppers was in that class and we talked about moving him.

Njoku is very similar to Engram so not sure I'd do that - it'd be a swap just for the sake of a swap.

Corey Davis or John Ross have both been rumored out there. Haason Reddick.

Ultimately not sure if I'd do any of those deals 1 for 1, it's very dependent on who the coaches think will fit, but I'd be open to it for any of Engram, Peppers, Tate, Zeitler.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2017/draft.htm - ( New Window )
RE: I think the play with Engram should be a player for player  
.McL. : 10/24/2020 10:11 pm : link
In comment 15022903 LBH15 said:
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trade. Maybe somebody else that needs a change of scenery like he does.

Just spitballing

This is the only thing that makes any sense.
Nobody is going to want him at his current salary
RE: If you are the buyer for him  
bw in dc : 10/24/2020 11:05 pm : link
In comment 15022709 .McL. said:
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What are you buying?
8 games and then what?

The right to pay him 6M for his 5th year option?
Would anybody pay him 6M per at this point?

If you don't pick up the option he is a UFA. I don't see there being any market at all for him.


If a team has multiple late round picks - like three six rounders, for example - why not roll the dice for Engram? At least he has NFL experience and maybe a change of scenery is the magic recipe...
RE: RE: If you are the buyer for him  
chopperhatch : 10/24/2020 11:18 pm : link
In comment 15023578 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15022709 .McL. said:


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What are you buying?
8 games and then what?

The right to pay him 6M for his 5th year option?
Would anybody pay him 6M per at this point?

If you don't pick up the option he is a UFA. I don't see there being any market at all for him.



If a team has multiple late round picks - like three six rounders, for example - why not roll the dice for Engram? At least he has NFL experience and maybe a change of scenery is the magic recipe...


Because you have to replace him as a player and believe it or not, a player like him DOES have quite a bit of value.

I get the drops are infuriating. But he has produced before. I get that he isnt getting open that often, but could it be that teams are targeting him and Slayton in their schemes with Shephard being out?

Giving up EE for a 6th or even a 5th I dont think is worth it. You try and get another receiving threat next year and pick up his option.

However, I wpuld trade him for John Ross straight up.
Corey Davis  
KWALL2 : 10/25/2020 12:38 am : link
Ten would never do it. They don’t need a TE. Smith is beastly. The backup is really good.

Ross? That could help both teams.
RE: Corey Davis  
LBH15 : 10/25/2020 8:03 am : link
In comment 15023619 KWALL2 said:
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Ten would never do it. They don’t need a TE. Smith is beastly. The backup is really good.

Ross? That could help both teams.



Something like this is where I was going. Player for player trade for Engram.

Imagine a bunch of teams that have a green #3 or #4 wide-out they may be willing to part with.
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