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The Giants have resisted trade offers in the past on their 2017 first-round draft pick — this year’s trade deadline is Nov. 3 — waiting for the breakthrough believed to be on the cusp if he could avoid the rash of injuries that cut short his last two seasons. Well, he’s healthy now. |
Run another reverse to Engram, and no one will trade even a coveted late round pick for him.
Cut your losses considering he's a much higher risk of getting hurt and getting that option than being worth a shit. He's not a player you can win with.
We have to make him available and take what we can get.
I don't see how you can get better than a 5th, maybe a 4th in a real longshot.
And no need to give us any picks whatsoever.
Getting rid of Evan Engram is a huge addition by subtraction.
You can't even use this guy in preseason because he's so fragile. It's ridiculous. People wonder why he isn't playing WR or is never split out wide? His route running is atrocious. Any S or CB would eat him alive in coverage, as most Linebackers do. Fade to the end zone? Nope - hands and coordination aren't there. Terrible on a 50/50 ball.
Let someone else try to work him into their O.
The Giants aren't going to get a premium pick for him. So would you rather have a 6th round pick next year or would you like to continue to gamble that someone finds a way to use Engram's all-world athletic abilities to turn him into a productive football player?
Given that the Giants are not going anywhere this year, I'd be just as happy keeping the high-upside proposition than dumping him for effectively nothing.
The Giants aren't going to get a premium pick for him. So would you rather have a 6th round pick next year or would you like to continue to gamble that someone finds a way to use Engram's all-world athletic abilities to turn him into a productive football player?
Given that the Giants are not going anywhere this year, I'd be just as happy keeping the high-upside proposition than dumping him for effectively nothing.
It’s been 4 years, there is no upside. He’s trash and needs to go
The Giants aren't going to get a premium pick for him. So would you rather have a 6th round pick next year or would you like to continue to gamble that someone finds a way to use Engram's all-world athletic abilities to turn him into a productive football player?
Given that the Giants are not going anywhere this year, I'd be just as happy keeping the high-upside proposition than dumping him for effectively nothing.
I no longer believe he has high upside. I now believe he is just fast, probably very athletic, but not a football player. He should try out for track next season.
The Giants aren't going to get a premium pick for him. So would you rather have a 6th round pick next year or would you like to continue to gamble that someone finds a way to use Engram's all-world athletic abilities to turn him into a productive football player?
Given that the Giants are not going anywhere this year, I'd be just as happy keeping the high-upside proposition than dumping him for effectively nothing.
And paying him, what, $6m next year? Fuck that.
He is fast but can’t block, run crisp routes and can’t catch. With those skills it wouldn’t even make sense to move him to WR.
With any pipe dreams of winning the division very likely gone, it's time to 100% focus on 2021 and beyond. Engram shouldn't be part of those plans.
Dump Engram and Zeitler, get two picks to bring us back up to 7 and call it a day.
Why did we even sign Toiolo?
Hilarious!
That being said, I think he's a potential stud! Give him the right coaching and offense and I see an offensive MVP in his future. I would maybe consider trading him for 2nd ;)
Get rid of whatever process is responsible for getting Engram.
The Giants aren't going to get a premium pick for him. So would you rather have a 6th round pick next year or would you like to continue to gamble that someone finds a way to use Engram's all-world athletic abilities to turn him into a productive football player?
Given that the Giants are not going anywhere this year, I'd be just as happy keeping the high-upside proposition than dumping him for effectively nothing.
If there is any upside to Engram it isn't happening here. Maybe we get a player with that 6th round pick.
We should also investigate trading Tate, Zeitler, Peppers, and pretty much anyone else. Give the new GM as many draft assets as possible.
Your argument looses water when you look at his body of work. He hasn't even been good at his position, let alone great and he is imjured aclot.. Cut bait!
a 5th Rd. pick for him, I would do it this year.
What a disappointment he has been!
They signed a big tight end to a two year deal,
in the 'offseason', and he hardly plays.
He is more of a blocker, and I looked at his contract,
all his guaranteed money seems to be this year.
Run another reverse to Engram, and no one will trade even a coveted late round pick for him.
Teams have plenty of tape on him.........they know what they'd be getting. Sans dropped past last night, or reverse runs from this season.
Teams always think they can change a guy. And sometimes it does work.........I'd trade him for a pick simply because it's not worth having him on the roster next year at that price.
He's bringing zero to the table except potential......and now he's literally losing games for you.
Although could see him so well for other teams, Pittsburgh, Seattle, etc.
There's nothing to show he's better than the alternatives at this point beyond his combine test results.
Unload him for whatever you can get.
Andy Reid would get something done with him and McVay might also. Bet Pete Carroll would/
Andy Reid would get something done with him and McVay might also. Bet Pete Carroll would/
No NFL guy is looking at EE and thinking he needs a change of scenery to be Claypool. Claypool is like the antithesis of EE if anything. Claypool is physical, high pionts the ball well, makes contested catches, and doesn't suffer from concentration drops. The only thing that they are both similar is aren't very good route runners. Difference is Claypool actually uses his frame and can box guys out and make contested catches.
How did our 3 different coaching staffs miss that one?
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If it's a 4th, I'm jumping all over it. A 6th? I'd pass. As frustrating as EE is, this is a team that is severely lacking in talent for our young QB to throw to. EE is still better than many of the alternatives.
There's nothing to show he's better than the alternatives at this point beyond his combine test results.
Joe Judge said himself that getting Engram involved more has been a priority but the opponents are focusing their defenses on stopping him. So apparently those “combine results” are having an affect on defensive gameplanning? Are they gameplanning for Kaden Smith? I’m guessing no....
100% wrong here. He is not a talent. Other than running fast for a tight end, please tell me what talent he has? He cannot catch, he cannot run routes, and he cannot block. So.. he is not a tight end. He does not have the hands or the speed to be a WR either.
Smith is a better tight end than Engram. The guy is not as fast but he can catch and block.
8 games and then what?
The right to pay him 6M for his 5th year option?
Would anybody pay him 6M per at this point?
If you don't pick up the option he is a UFA. I don't see there being any market at all for him.
8 games and then what?
The right to pay him 6M for his 5th year option?
Would anybody pay him 6M per at this point?
If you don't pick up the option he is a UFA. I don't see there being any market at all for him.
I could see someone offering a 6 or 7 but I don't think we'd take that IMO
Use him this and next year and what happens...happens
In his post game interview, where he announced how sucky he felt, he said something like "maybe the outcome of the game would have been different" if he had caught the third down bomb from Jones.
Dude, Evan, look straight into the fooking mirror... There was NO "MAYBE" there. You make that catch, your team WINS, BRO!
Fooking take some responsibility.
Practice catching the ball incessantly, in your sleep, give up sex, meditate on the ball sticking in your hands, vosualize it 24/7, whatever it fooking takes.
But also, just take responsibility when the team's loss is a thorn crown on your head.
Not "maybe."
Just spitballing
Just spitballing
David Njoku comes to mind honestly. We desperately need a redzone threat and he's been injured and a disappointment there as well. I'd pull the trigger on that trade in a second.
Kenny Golladay was in that draft class as well and Rico had him rumored to possibly be on the move.
Peppers was in that class and we talked about moving him.
Njoku is very similar to Engram so not sure I'd do that - it'd be a swap just for the sake of a swap.
Corey Davis or John Ross have both been rumored out there. Haason Reddick.
Ultimately not sure if I'd do any of those deals 1 for 1, it's very dependent on who the coaches think will fit, but I'd be open to it for any of Engram, Peppers, Tate, Zeitler.
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Just spitballing
This is the only thing that makes any sense.
Nobody is going to want him at his current salary
8 games and then what?
The right to pay him 6M for his 5th year option?
Would anybody pay him 6M per at this point?
If you don't pick up the option he is a UFA. I don't see there being any market at all for him.
If a team has multiple late round picks - like three six rounders, for example - why not roll the dice for Engram? At least he has NFL experience and maybe a change of scenery is the magic recipe...
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What are you buying?
8 games and then what?
The right to pay him 6M for his 5th year option?
Would anybody pay him 6M per at this point?
If you don't pick up the option he is a UFA. I don't see there being any market at all for him.
If a team has multiple late round picks - like three six rounders, for example - why not roll the dice for Engram? At least he has NFL experience and maybe a change of scenery is the magic recipe...
Because you have to replace him as a player and believe it or not, a player like him DOES have quite a bit of value.
I get the drops are infuriating. But he has produced before. I get that he isnt getting open that often, but could it be that teams are targeting him and Slayton in their schemes with Shephard being out?
Giving up EE for a 6th or even a 5th I dont think is worth it. You try and get another receiving threat next year and pick up his option.
However, I wpuld trade him for John Ross straight up.
Ross? That could help both teams.
Ross? That could help both teams.
Something like this is where I was going. Player for player trade for Engram.
Imagine a bunch of teams that have a green #3 or #4 wide-out they may be willing to part with.