Giants have resisted trade offers for Evan Engram

he plays the worse the trade offer will be.

Run another reverse to Engram, and no one will trade even a coveted late round pick for him.

7th.

Cut your losses considering he's a much higher risk of getting hurt and getting that option than being worth a shit. He's not a player you can win with.

for this guy.

We have to make him available and take what we can get.

I don't see how you can get better than a 5th, maybe a 4th in a real longshot.

And no need to give us any picks whatsoever.

Getting rid of Evan Engram is a huge addition by subtraction.

I'll trade him for a 12 pack of Sweetwater IPA.

All his flaws are on full display over a large sample size now.

You can't even use this guy in preseason because he's so fragile. It's ridiculous. People wonder why he isn't playing WR or is never split out wide? His route running is atrocious. Any S or CB would eat him alive in coverage, as most Linebackers do. Fade to the end zone? Nope - hands and coordination aren't there. Terrible on a 50/50 ball.

Let someone else try to work him into their O.

I would be totally fine with the Giants trading Engram, I don't see the rush to do so.

The Giants aren't going to get a premium pick for him. So would you rather have a 6th round pick next year or would you like to continue to gamble that someone finds a way to use Engram's all-world athletic abilities to turn him into a productive football player?

Given that the Giants are not going anywhere this year, I'd be just as happy keeping the high-upside proposition than dumping him for effectively nothing.

not going to happen here in all likelihood. This is a classic situation where it's in the best interest of both parties to part ways. I hope the Giants aren't holding on to him because Jones has so few targets. Engram already drops too many passes. I'm not saying we should trade him for next to nothing, but a mid to high third would be enough. He needs a fresh start, and it's unlikely we will resign him when he becomes a FA in 2022.

In comment 15021658 dschwarz in westchester said:

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I would be totally fine with the Giants trading Engram, I don't see the rush to do so. The Giants aren't going to get a premium pick for him. So would you rather have a 6th round pick next year or would you like to continue to gamble that someone finds a way to use Engram's all-world athletic abilities to turn him into a productive football player? Given that the Giants are not going anywhere this year, I'd be just as happy keeping the high-upside proposition than dumping him for effectively nothing.

It’s been 4 years, there is no upside. He’s trash and needs to go

In comment 15021658 dschwarz in westchester said:

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I would be totally fine with the Giants trading Engram, I don't see the rush to do so. The Giants aren't going to get a premium pick for him. So would you rather have a 6th round pick next year or would you like to continue to gamble that someone finds a way to use Engram's all-world athletic abilities to turn him into a productive football player? Given that the Giants are not going anywhere this year, I'd be just as happy keeping the high-upside proposition than dumping him for effectively nothing.

I no longer believe he has high upside. I now believe he is just fast, probably very athletic, but not a football player. He should try out for track next season.

In comment 15021658 dschwarz in westchester said:

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I would be totally fine with the Giants trading Engram, I don't see the rush to do so. The Giants aren't going to get a premium pick for him. So would you rather have a 6th round pick next year or would you like to continue to gamble that someone finds a way to use Engram's all-world athletic abilities to turn him into a productive football player? Given that the Giants are not going anywhere this year, I'd be just as happy keeping the high-upside proposition than dumping him for effectively nothing.

And paying him, what, $6m next year? Fuck that.

If it's a 4th, I'm jumping all over it. A 6th? I'd pass. As frustrating as EE is, this is a team that is severely lacking in talent for our young QB to throw to. EE is still better than many of the alternatives.

But I think folks are under estimating our options.

For the people that think that we would be better off keeping him I have a question if he is not in our plans why wouldn’t you play the other TEs to see if they are? He is a tease and a coach killer taking up snaps from others that should be getting them.

He is fast but can’t block, run crisp routes and can’t catch. With those skills it wouldn’t even make sense to move him to WR.

that makes it so painful. Keep him around? I guess, but not at anything that resembles an expensive contract.

Kaden Smith has a fan club because he's not Engram, but he's allegedly a blocking TE and I see him blow assignments left and right. Toiolo is a blocker they don't even try to work into the offense.

Likely not getting an offer for a better than a 5th round pick.

With any pipe dreams of winning the division very likely gone, it's time to 100% focus on 2021 and beyond. Engram shouldn't be part of those plans.

Dump Engram and Zeitler, get two picks to bring us back up to 7 and call it a day.

In comment 15021720 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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Kaden Smith has a fan club because he's not Engram, but he's allegedly a blocking TE and I see him blow assignments left and right. Toiolo is a blocker they don't even try to work into the offense.

Why did we even sign Toiolo?

In comment 15021654 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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I'll trade him for a 12 pack of Sweetwater IPA.

Hilarious!

It's gotta be when his trade value is at its absolute lowest right? I'm not even talking about his huge drop, the guy's catch % is not good.

you never know what kind of due diligence other teams do. They might be reading this board trying to get as much information on Engram as possible.
That being said, I think he's a potential stud! Give him the right coaching and offense and I see an offensive MVP in his future. I would maybe consider trading him for 2nd ;)

he's useless.

to replace him. There is no shame in keeping Engram. The shame is that he is the best TE we have had for the last few years.

Get rid of whatever process is responsible for getting Engram.

but the right player yes

than picks. There's too many undeveloped players on the team already. Wherever EE goes, he's gonna PLAY. I would hope they could get a veteran player in return. Doesn't have to be a "star" -- just a decent starter.

his value is sky-rocketing every additional game he plays.

In comment 15021658 dschwarz in westchester said:

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I would be totally fine with the Giants trading Engram, I don't see the rush to do so. The Giants aren't going to get a premium pick for him. So would you rather have a 6th round pick next year or would you like to continue to gamble that someone finds a way to use Engram's all-world athletic abilities to turn him into a productive football player? Given that the Giants are not going anywhere this year, I'd be just as happy keeping the high-upside proposition than dumping him for effectively nothing.

If there is any upside to Engram it isn't happening here. Maybe we get a player with that 6th round pick.

I and others have said, it depends what you can get for him. But we should at least investigate trading him. We only five picks next year, the team needs to be rebuilt yet again, his hands are at best inconsistent, and he can't block. But his speed might be attractive to some teams.

We should also investigate trading Tate, Zeitler, Peppers, and pretty much anyone else. Give the new GM as many draft assets as possible.

In comment 15021815 David B. said:

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than picks. There's too many undeveloped players on the team already. Wherever EE goes, he's gonna PLAY. I would hope they could get a veteran player in return. Doesn't have to be a "star" -- just a decent starter.

Your argument looses water when you look at his body of work. He hasn't even been good at his position, let alone great and he is imjured aclot.. Cut bait!

moved him last trading deadline, if they can get at least
a 5th Rd. pick for him, I would do it this year.
What a disappointment he has been!
They signed a big tight end to a two year deal,
in the 'offseason', and he hardly plays.
He is more of a blocker, and I looked at his contract,
all his guaranteed money seems to be this year.

I guess we can use another 5th or 6th round pick

In comment 15021638 pjcas18 said:

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he plays the worse the trade offer will be. Run another reverse to Engram, and no one will trade even a coveted late round pick for him.

Teams have plenty of tape on him.........they know what they'd be getting. Sans dropped past last night, or reverse runs from this season.

Teams always think they can change a guy. And sometimes it does work.........I'd trade him for a pick simply because it's not worth having him on the roster next year at that price.

He's bringing zero to the table except potential......and now he's literally losing games for you.

Getting a pick for us to draft a player who would suck anyway because our front office is clueless ....

Although could see him so well for other teams, Pittsburgh, Seattle, etc.

In comment 15021690 UberAlias said:

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If it's a 4th, I'm jumping all over it. A 6th? I'd pass. As frustrating as EE is, this is a team that is severely lacking in talent for our young QB to throw to. EE is still better than many of the alternatives.

There's nothing to show he's better than the alternatives at this point beyond his combine test results.

plan for the NYG.

Unload him for whatever you can get.

to be good at is catching the ball and he can’t do that. He can run, but doesn’t mean squat without the ball in your hands! This offense is not designed for him and Garrett is trying to get him involved. We need a real TE next year now too! Free Agency could bring one our way.

sports shrink would help. dropping is concentration

a week away. could still happen

except Jerry is long gone

and want him. They may move him to WR, because look at what Chase Claypool is doing for Pittsburgh - about the same size and Engram is faster.
Andy Reid would get something done with him and McVay might also. Bet Pete Carroll would/

In comment 15022566 section125 said:

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and want him. They may move him to WR, because look at what Chase Claypool is doing for Pittsburgh - about the same size and Engram is faster. Andy Reid would get something done with him and McVay might also. Bet Pete Carroll would/

No NFL guy is looking at EE and thinking he needs a change of scenery to be Claypool. Claypool is like the antithesis of EE if anything. Claypool is physical, high pionts the ball well, makes contested catches, and doesn't suffer from concentration drops. The only thing that they are both similar is aren't very good route runners. Difference is Claypool actually uses his frame and can box guys out and make contested catches.

that's all Evan Engram needs to do to be Chase Claypool, different play calls.

How did our 3 different coaching staffs miss that one?

there was a #3 pick offered for him.

The Saints were one of them..

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In comment 15021690 UberAlias said: Quote: If it's a 4th, I'm jumping all over it. A 6th? I'd pass. As frustrating as EE is, this is a team that is severely lacking in talent for our young QB to throw to. EE is still better than many of the alternatives. There's nothing to show he's better than the alternatives at this point beyond his combine test results.

Joe Judge said himself that getting Engram involved more has been a priority but the opponents are focusing their defenses on stopping him. So apparently those “combine results” are having an affect on defensive gameplanning? Are they gameplanning for Kaden Smith? I’m guessing no....

In comment 15021690 UberAlias said:

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If it's a 4th, I'm jumping all over it. A 6th? I'd pass. As frustrating as EE is, this is a team that is severely lacking in talent for our young QB to throw to. EE is still better than many of the alternatives.

100% wrong here. He is not a talent. Other than running fast for a tight end, please tell me what talent he has? He cannot catch, he cannot run routes, and he cannot block. So.. he is not a tight end. He does not have the hands or the speed to be a WR either.

Smith is a better tight end than Engram. The guy is not as fast but he can catch and block.

What are you buying?
8 games and then what?

The right to pay him 6M for his 5th year option?
Would anybody pay him 6M per at this point?

If you don't pick up the option he is a UFA. I don't see there being any market at all for him.

In comment 15022709 .McL. said:

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What are you buying? 8 games and then what? The right to pay him 6M for his 5th year option? Would anybody pay him 6M per at this point? If you don't pick up the option he is a UFA. I don't see there being any market at all for him.

I could see someone offering a 6 or 7 but I don't think we'd take that IMO

At least he's a threat. You take him away - without a dependable running game, you're taking one of the few credible threats Jones has. I don't see them doing that to him (Jones) - especially for a later round pick.

Use him this and next year and what happens...happens