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A couple of roster moves I think would help the team

Jim in Forest Hills : 10/23/2020 11:44 am
without derailing the season of any wins.

Trade Peppers - with Mckinney coming back soon, if there is a market for Peppers move him. I could see certain teams like SEA or NO that are in contention being interested. If someone offers me a 4th, I let him go. Love is playing better, Ryan is good and Mckinney has to play. Giants aren't going to pay him.

Trade Engram for a WR - I think Engram does impact the game and how defenses play the Giants. That being said I think they are better off with Smith and Toilolo especially blocking for the run game. If there is a talented split end WR out there and we see a good fit, make the move. Engram for Curtis Samuel? Or for Dede Westbrook? Get some threats on the outside.

Release Dion Lewis and sign Wendell Smallwood. Smallwood is the same size but faster and he's not a rookie. He's on a PS so they can get him for free if he's on the active roster. Lewis is flat out cooked.
you can't trade a fucking guy  
Black_Flag : 10/23/2020 11:47 am : link
.. because he dropped one pass people! That was really over thrown anyway. He would have had to make a diving catch for it.
I'm  
AcidTest : 10/23/2020 11:50 am : link
fine with all of those suggestions. I'd also try and trade Zeitler and Tate.
Engram for Curtis Samuel  
AdamBrag : 10/23/2020 11:55 am : link
That's a trade I could get behind.
RE: you can't trade a fucking guy  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/23/2020 11:56 am : link
In comment 15021838 Black_Flag said:
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.. because he dropped one pass people! That was really over thrown anyway. He would have had to make a diving catch for it.

Such a troll.
RE: you can't trade a fucking guy  
Scyber : 10/23/2020 12:02 pm : link
In comment 15021838 Black_Flag said:
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.. because he dropped one pass people! That was really over thrown anyway. He would have had to make a diving catch for it.


How about for having the most drops by a TE since 2017?

https://twitter.com/pff/status/1319617102953746432?s=21
RE: you can't trade a fucking guy  
Matt M. : 10/23/2020 12:06 pm : link
In comment 15021838 Black_Flag said:
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.. because he dropped one pass people! That was really over thrown anyway. He would have had to make a diving catch for it.
I agree...you shouldn't trade a guy for one drop. But, how about trading him for years of drops and disappointing results for a 1st round pick?

That was not an overthrown ball by any measure. That ball was dropped on his hands.
I'm not questioning the suggestions  
Matt M. : 10/23/2020 12:10 pm : link
But, I wonder what people think they would actually get for some of these guys. I can't see any of the suggested trade bait (Peppers, Engram, Zeitler, Tate) getting us anything better than a 5th round pick at this point. Peppers and Engram may get a drop higher, but Seitler and Tate, at their respective ages and production, aren't getting us anything of interest.

And what is the perceived market? Zeitler and Tate aren't going to be the veteran that puts a team over the top. Maybe Peppers or Engram gets interest from another young team rebuilding, in hopes that a change of scenery makes them a decent asset moving forward. But, again, these guys offer nothing to a team in the hunt right now.
RE: RE: you can't trade a fucking guy  
jpetuch : 10/23/2020 12:22 pm : link
In comment 15021888 Matt M. said:
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In comment 15021838 Black_Flag said:


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.. because he dropped one pass people! That was really over thrown anyway. He would have had to make a diving catch for it.

I agree...you shouldn't trade a guy for one drop. But, how about trading him for years of drops and disappointing results for a 1st round pick?

That was not an overthrown ball by any measure. That ball was dropped on his hands.


Either way if you cant reach hit jump to get it. The first down was critical as we all knew
I am keeping Peppers for now  
nygiants16 : 10/23/2020 12:23 pm : link
Before that play at the end he was having a great game, with mckinney coming back id argue he becomes more valuable becauae he could stick to playing in the box..

I would trade zeitler for a pick.

I would see what is out there for Engram..

I would see what is out there for tate..

3 biggest things this team needs a big receiver next to slayton and shepard, an edge rusher and a 2nd corner
RE: you can't trade a fucking guy  
Bill L : 10/23/2020 12:27 pm : link
In comment 15021838 Black_Flag said:
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.. because he dropped one pass people! That was really over thrown anyway. He would have had to make a diving catch for it.


You are so full of shit.
RE: you can't trade a fucking guy  
McNally's_Nuts : 10/23/2020 12:32 pm : link
In comment 15021838 Black_Flag said:
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.. because he dropped one pass people! That was really over thrown anyway. He would have had to make a diving catch for it.


TROLLLLL
OK fine  
Black_Flag : 10/23/2020 12:34 pm : link
but trading him because of that is ridiculous. Who is going to play TE? What kind of message will that send?
Peppers  
TyreeHelmet : 10/23/2020 12:43 pm : link
I highly doubt there is a market for him. He's simply not that good of a player at this level. What exactly does he do well?
Ingram  
uconngiant : 10/23/2020 12:46 pm : link
has been so inconsistent and the continued drops doesn't help. I would hope for a third round pick
RE: I am keeping Peppers for now  
Matt M. : 10/23/2020 12:48 pm : link
In comment 15021945 nygiants16 said:
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Before that play at the end he was having a great game, with mckinney coming back id argue he becomes more valuable becauae he could stick to playing in the box..

I would trade zeitler for a pick.

I would see what is out there for Engram..

I would see what is out there for tate..

3 biggest things this team needs a big receiver next to slayton and shepard, an edge rusher and a 2nd corner
Peppers was having a great game? By what standards? He was out of position and/or burned on at least a handful of occasions yesterday.
RE: Ingram  
jnoble : 10/23/2020 12:52 pm : link
In comment 15022004 uconngiant said:
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has been so inconsistent and the continued drops doesn't help. I would hope for a third round pick


Most of Jones's INTs are specifically because of Engram's stone hands volleying the ball up for grabs
Tight End  
JB_in_DC : 10/23/2020 1:16 pm : link
is a massive hole on this team. They should really be trying to poach some practice squad guys from teams that seem to be able to scout and develop the position. Ravens seem to do well there - they've got a rookie, Eli Wolf on the Practice Squad.
RE: RE: I am keeping Peppers for now  
nygiants16 : 10/23/2020 1:18 pm : link
In comment 15022012 Matt M. said:
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In comment 15021945 nygiants16 said:


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Before that play at the end he was having a great game, with mckinney coming back id argue he becomes more valuable becauae he could stick to playing in the box..

I would trade zeitler for a pick.

I would see what is out there for Engram..

I would see what is out there for tate..

3 biggest things this team needs a big receiver next to slayton and shepard, an edge rusher and a 2nd corner

Peppers was having a great game? By what standards? He was out of position and/or burned on at least a handful of occasions yesterday.


He was good around the line of scrimmage, the play down the sideline he was supposed to have safety help it was obvious..

Last play Wentz made a great throw put it in the only spot that peppers couldnt get it
RE: OK fine  
Toth029 : 10/23/2020 1:30 pm : link
In comment 15021976 Black_Flag said:
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but trading him because of that is ridiculous. Who is going to play TE? What kind of message will that send?


He wasnt prepared for a quick pass which resulted in the INT, too.

He has not played well. That's your message. If a guy doesn't fit in with your future plans, why keep him around?
The Giants  
Dnew15 : 10/23/2020 1:38 pm : link
should trade literally anyone on the roster that will get them picks moving forward.

It's a great time to tear it all down.

I'll bet you could get a first rounder right now for Bradberry - and if I'm the Giants - I'd do it.
RE: The Giants  
nygiants16 : 10/23/2020 1:44 pm : link
In comment 15022143 Dnew15 said:
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should trade literally anyone on the roster that will get them picks moving forward.

It's a great time to tear it all down.

I'll bet you could get a first rounder right now for Bradberry - and if I'm the Giants - I'd do it.


No offense but i hate this take, why do fans loves draft picks so much? So you would trade a probable all pro corner for a pick that you have no idea what it is goingnto become..

The object is to build a team not tear it down everytime you have a losing season
The  
AcidTest : 10/23/2020 1:49 pm : link
key is not to trade cornerstone players, including Bradberry. He's having an all pro year.

Assuming the compensation is fair, trade players you likely won't give another contract, including Engram, Tate, Zeitler, and Peppers. I'd also consider trading Hernandez, Hill, Tomlinson, and Williams.
RE: RE: The Giants  
Dnew15 : 10/23/2020 2:04 pm : link
In comment 15022157 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 15022143 Dnew15 said:


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should trade literally anyone on the roster that will get them picks moving forward.

It's a great time to tear it all down.

I'll bet you could get a first rounder right now for Bradberry - and if I'm the Giants - I'd do it.



No offense but i hate this take, why do fans loves draft picks so much? So you would trade a probable all pro corner for a pick that you have no idea what it is goingnto become..

The object is to build a team not tear it down everytime you have a losing season


You know what - I probably take that back.

After looking at his deal - DG did a nice job on that one. He's a great player, playing on a pretty team friendly deal.

I think I would keep him.
Wonder what the deal is with McKinney right now!  
Simms11 : 10/23/2020 5:33 pm : link
It’s been at least 8 weeks now and they indicated that it would be close to 8 weeks till it healed. Even if healed, I’m sure he’d still be about a month away from getting into a game right now anyway. He could potentially come back after the Bye and play the last 6 games. That would be huge for his development.
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