According to NFL.com, he played in 13 games last year, and he has started all 7 games this year. So he has played in ~20 games and has 9 games left this year. In other words, we have seen 2/3 of his games by the end of this year.
What do we need to see in his final 1/3 of games? I feel if his final 1/3 of games are similar to the first 2/3, we move on IF we can get Lawrence or Fields. I'd want to see a pretty marked improvement, especially in turnovers, over the final 9 games to stick with him.
I understand that he's playing behind a shit OL and with crummy skill players, but truly good QBs do more with less.
What say you?
Yeh I'm still waiting on this mythical QB that lit it up on a talent deficient offense in his 2nd year.
More designed runs, RPOs, etc. are certainly one way to see more plays like that 80 yard run. Before someone misinterprets that as thinking I expect an 80 yard run every week...no. I'm saying it would be nice to see us make better use of his legs on a consistent basis. He has also shown a great ability to make some very difficult deep throws, which is difficult for us to try to replicate consistently when we can't protect.
On the other hand, almost every game he has played he's turned the ball over at least once. Almost every game he's played he's fumbled. These continue to be issues. Every week he has some throws like the one that just slipped out of his hand last night.
So, if he continues to play like he has for the rest of the season AND we have a shot at Lawrence or Fields, I think you have to be willing to move on. He still very well may be a QB that sees overall success in this league. He certainly is talented and he isn't terrible overall. But, so far, he also hasn't shown himself to be that captivating QB who will put a team on his shoulders and win games on his own. I recognize that is asking a lot of a QB on this team with this roster. But, at this stage, I think it is more a given that he will have a crucial turnover than a positive game changing play.
If the Giants play well enough to fall out of the top 2 or 3 spots where those 2 QBs specifically are gone, then looking to replace him now is probably not the right move. But, if not, it is probably at least in part due to his play and it would be very difficult to turn down 2 QBs with much higher pedigrees and ceilings at this point. To me, the only alternative would be to trade down from one of those spots, collecting more picks.
However, the Giants haven't been doing him any help. As OP mentioned, he is playing behind a poor offensive line. In fact, since starting he's been pressured more then any other QB in the league. He is also playing in an offense with terrible playing calling and horrible route concepts. His receivers are rarely open. The current offense isn't playing to his strengths and are instead exposing his weaknesses. Dude is legit fast, yet maybe there's 2 designed runs a game. The offensive line is struggling to protect, but they are just keeping him in the pocket instead of rolling him out. They should also be encouraging him to take off and run a lot more when the pocket collapses.
If we keep the same offense in place for next year and hope that there's going to be some massive improvement because we bring in a #1 WR, I think that's a mistake. If we try to craft an offense that plays to his strengths, I'd be very interested to see how that plays out next year.
Let’s put it this way....
Lamar Jackson was the league MVP. Would he still be the Lamar Jackson MVP player you know if he was drafted by us? Even close?
Personally, at the moment, I think we have to run to the podium to take Lawrence if we get #1 overall. You can't pass on a super franchise QB prospect unless you already have one in the bag, and if we get #1, then we won't be able to say that about Jones. If we're in #2 and Fields plays good enough to be a true 1A at the top of the draft, the same analysis would apply.
Other than that, I've seen enough flashes from Jones that I'd give him a 3rd year and try to improve other areas of the team. Put differently, Jones has flashed enough based on what I've seen to earn a third year absent the Giants having a chance to an elite franchise QB prospect.
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I don’t see another QB in this league who could come to the Giants with this roster and make us a team over .400 winning percentage and yes that includes PM, LJ, RW AR, TB etc.
Let’s put it this way....
Lamar Jackson was the league MVP. Would he still be the Lamar Jackson MVP player you know if he was drafted by us? Even close?
Lamar Jackson is a running back playing qb, yes i think he could do what he does anywhere, would he win at the rate he is winning, i dont think so
I don't know about the Dolphins OL but Fitzpatrick's skill players are on par with the Giants.
Gardner Minshew's numbers are way better than Jones'.
I hope that Jones turns it around but I'm not sticking with a guy being outplayed by Ryan Fitzpatrick and Gardner Minshew.
When Engram dropped that ball, knew it was over. Seen to many Giant mishaps especially vs the Eagles turning the tide.
The Giants / Mara Tech will not draft a QB in the first round next season. Its not our way. A reach for them would be convert Engram to a WR, trade down and draft a TE, or another WR.
I don't know about the Dolphins OL but Fitzpatrick's skill players are on par with the Giants.
Gardner Minshew's numbers are way better than Jones'.
I hope that Jones turns it around but I'm not sticking with a guy being outplayed by Ryan Fitzpatrick and Gardner Minshew.
Well, all I can tell you is Wentz was a whole... WHOLE lot more comfy behind his OL than Jones was behind ours last night. Jones was hit/rushed/hurried and never had one chance to step up in the pocket on every/any offensive play that I watched. Not sure how people don't see that.
That "record" was previously held by Geno Smith (32)
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More designed runs, RPOs, etc. are certainly one way to see more plays like that 80 yard run. Before someone misinterprets that as thinking I expect an 80 yard run every week...no. I'm saying it would be nice to see us make better use of his legs on a consistent basis. He has also shown a great ability to make some very difficult deep throws, which is difficult for us to try to replicate consistently when we can't protect.
On the other hand, almost every game he has played he's turned the ball over at least once. Almost every game he's played he's fumbled. These continue to be issues. Every week he has some throws like the one that just slipped out of his hand last night.
So, if he continues to play like he has for the rest of the season AND we have a shot at Lawrence or Fields, I think you have to be willing to move on. He still very well may be a QB that sees overall success in this league. He certainly is talented and he isn't terrible overall. But, so far, he also hasn't shown himself to be that captivating QB who will put a team on his shoulders and win games on his own. I recognize that is asking a lot of a QB on this team with this roster. But, at this stage, I think it is more a given that he will have a crucial turnover than a positive game changing play.
If the Giants play well enough to fall out of the top 2 or 3 spots where those 2 QBs specifically are gone, then looking to replace him now is probably not the right move. But, if not, it is probably at least in part due to his play and it would be very difficult to turn down 2 QBs with much higher pedigrees and ceilings at this point. To me, the only alternative would be to trade down from one of those spots, collecting more picks.
+1 well said
This year, Carson Wentz, Ryan Fitzpatrick, and Gardner Minshew have outplayed Jones with comparable surrounding players.
I like DJ, but he has a tendency to trust his pre snap reads too much. The offense can't be creative. You need talent to be creative and we can't hang our hat on either our skill players or oline. In fact on the scouts feed last night they were very complimentary of Garrett's game plan. Said that TD was Shephard was all scheme. People just don't want to face the fact our talent on offense fucking sucks. It sucks and I'm not sure there's answers here in the short term. Maybe Peart becomes a starting caliber tackle.
I agree with this. DJ has some pretty tantalizing tools. He has some things to work on, things that not every QB figures out, so there is still a bust factor possible, but unless he totally shits the bed the rest of the year, he is the starter game 1 of 2021.
That said, unless we have a shot at getting Lawrence, but I don't think that will happen.
Its a bit maddening really, but I do think he's earned the right to play next year with some better tools.
We have bigger, more immediate holes to fill than at QB. If he doesn't play more consistently by 22-23, then you cut bait.
Personally, at the moment, I think we have to run to the podium to take Lawrence if we get #1 overall. You can't pass on a super franchise QB prospect unless you already have one in the bag, and if we get #1, then we won't be able to say that about Jones. If we're in #2 and Fields plays good enough to be a true 1A at the top of the draft, the same analysis would apply.
Other than that, I've seen enough flashes from Jones that I'd give him a 3rd year and try to improve other areas of the team. Put differently, Jones has flashed enough based on what I've seen to earn a third year absent the Giants having a chance to an elite franchise QB prospect.
Exactly. You said it better than I did.
In draft. Of course we only have 5 picks thanks to esteemed DG
2 wr and a TE
Heck. I would draft a RO and TE too
We don’t know if Barkley will recover and if he isn’t 97%, I am 50/50 on extending him
Gallman ran hard, if saquon ever saw those holes he would take it to the house
He sure didn’t when he was playing
What pocket? There actually has to be a pocket for a QB to have Pocket presence.
I would draft Trevor Lawrence given the opportunity, but enough with this horseshit about mythical QBs who in their second seasons were elevating trash rosters. Enough already.
Additionally, Barkley will be back next year, and I expect them to either add a playmaking WR in FA, or in the top 3 rounds of the draft. Between hopefully an improved OL, and playmakers such as Barkley, WR addition, Slayton, and Shephard, we see some marked improvement.
With that next year, it will be a key year for Jones. If he continues to have the turnover issues, the Giants may have to re-evaluate the position. However, while some is his fault, a lot of his turnover issues are due to poor OL play. I would expect that improved OL play would alleviate some of those issues.
Exactly, and I said this on a thread about a week ago. Of course then I got blasted with "but Fields is different". How do we know that? Wasn't Haskins different too? What about Pryor, Troy Smith, JT Barrett, and Cardale Jones? Hell the gambleholic Schlichter may be their best QB. They are so loaded elsewhere a lot of kids could play QB for them. I get the feeling their recruiting looks for top talent in other places, and just gets more role players for QB
If by the end of next year, Jones is still the same guy in terms of turnovers and mistakes, the 2022 draft may very well be loaded with qb talent.
What's critical here is evaluating Jones before you'd give him a second contract. That will likely fall to Judge and whatever GM is paired with him.
Sure it had some heat on it but good receivers catch that ball 9 out of 10 times.EE knows he should have caught that ball.I feel that he is learning from his mistakes. Last night under extreme pressure he threw the ball out of bounds.
On several of his sacks, I noticed he held onto the ball with both hands.On his fumble he was running to his left away from pressure and the ball was held down low hence the fumble. That's on DJ but I feel that can be a coaching and learning experience.
I for one am not ready to give up on DJ. I feel that he has the talent to play in this league. He is a tough kid taking alot of hits. He also appears to have good leadership abilities and a good presence in the huddle.
He definitely needs to work on his timing in the pocket.
I like his accuracy throwing the ball. We got 9 games to go this year and my hope for the future is that DJ continues to show improvement on his timing and ball security.He looks to be a very coachable player.
I don't know about the Dolphins OL but Fitzpatrick's skill players are on par with the Giants.
Gardner Minshew's numbers are way better than Jones'.
I hope that Jones turns it around but I'm not sticking with a guy being outplayed by Ryan Fitzpatrick and Gardner Minshew.
Wentz has played with the same system and coach for 3 years! Wentz's has been under fore for poor play. Jones out played wentz. Don't let stats fool you.
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This year, Carson Wentz, Ryan Fitzpatrick, and Gardner Minshew have outplayed Jones with comparable surrounding players.
You can't be that stupid! All have been in the same system for at least 2 seasons.. Jags receivers would all be an upgrade, Phins receivers Williams and Parker would stars with Jones and Eagles Te's and Fulgram would be huge upgrades..
1. Jones's mobility is a huge asset. There should be 8-10 planned QB runs each game. A priority this offseason should be acquiring two backup quarterbacks with mobility.
2. Jones is NOT a traditional pocket passer. If he is in the pocket past 2-3 seconds the chances of a successful play go down dramatically. The pass plays have to be designed to be prescribed throws - three prime examples from last night:
- TD to Tate
- big gain to Shepard (Aikman pointed it out - 3 steps and the ball was out)
- Engram drop
On these throws Jones probably identified his target pre-snap. In these situations he is a great passer. But you can't have him scanning for second or third reads. It has to be prescribed. Otherwise he's a liability.
THIS GUY IS NOT ELI. DON'T TRY TO MAKE HIM ELI.
QB runs, RPOs, rollouts - that's what works with Jones.
1. Jones's mobility is a huge asset. There should be 8-10 planned QB runs each game. A priority this offseason should be acquiring two backup quarterbacks with mobility.
2. Jones is NOT a traditional pocket passer. If he is in the pocket past 2-3 seconds the chances of a successful play go down dramatically. The pass plays have to be designed to be prescribed throws - three prime examples from last night:
- TD to Tate
- big gain to Shepard (Aikman pointed it out - 3 steps and the ball was out)
- Engram drop
On these throws Jones probably identified his target pre-snap. In these situations he is a great passer. But you can't have him scanning for second or third reads. It has to be prescribed. Otherwise he's a liability.
THIS GUY IS NOT ELI. DON'T TRY TO MAKE HIM ELI.
QB runs, RPOs, rollouts - that's what works with Jones.
Jones has ZERO pocket presence. He also is awful at reading pre snap defenses and setting the protection. He has no idea where the rush is coming from and no pocket awareness to avoid the rush which causes A LOT of fumbles a deadly combo.
He is clearly not close to an elite franchise carrying QB. But he has skills/assets that if used correctly on a talented team would make that team a contender. Put him behind the 2017-2019 Dallas OL with Elliot at RB and the NFL media would be anointing him the next Staubach but he's really the next Alex Smith.
If KC Alex Smith is good enough for you Jones is your guy.
Jones has ZERO pocket presence. He also is awful at reading pre snap defenses and setting the protection. He has no idea where the rush is coming from and no pocket awareness to avoid the rush which causes A LOT of fumbles a deadly combo.
He is clearly not close to an elite franchise carrying QB. But he has skills/assets that if used correctly on a talented team would make that team a contender. Put him behind the 2017-2019 Dallas OL with Elliot at RB and the NFL media would be anointing him the next Staubach but he's really the next Alex Smith.
If KC Alex Smith is good enough for you Jones is your guy.
That's a great point, and we saw that KC Alex Smith on a talented team wasn't good enough to put the Chiefs over the top, it took Mahomes unique skill set and talents to complete the journey.
I do think Jones has some more physical ability than Smith, but we'll certainly learn more over the next 9 games and the 2021 season.
I see no way they will implement a third offensive system in 3 years for Jones. I would really be surprised. Continuity will be the goal. I don’t think Garrett is awful, I think he’s called better games since Dallas, but as Terps mentioned the offense still needs to be geared more towards Jones.
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but you've gotta be fair - when called upon to make a game winning play Jones made it. Engram didn't.
He should have caught that ball but I have issue with calling the pass perfect. It was on his fingertips, it would have been a good catch.
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This year, Carson Wentz, Ryan Fitzpatrick, and Gardner Minshew have outplayed Jones with comparable surrounding players.
You can't be that stupid! All have been in the same system for at least 2 seasons.. Jags receivers would all be an upgrade, Phins receivers Williams and Parker would stars with Jones and Eagles Te's and Fulgram would be huge upgrades..
This is actually Wentz's 5th year in this system (2016-2020).
Jones' main issue is the pocket awareness/time for a play to develop. Most of his fumbles and sacks are due to this issue. The other big issue for Jones is that he has played the majority of his games with very little talent around him in the skills positions (injuries) and Oline (poor personnel decisions).
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This year, Carson Wentz, Ryan Fitzpatrick, and Gardner Minshew have outplayed Jones with comparable surrounding players.
Even if you really think Jones has been outplayed by those three, you sort of make the point for everyone else.
What have Minshew, Wentz or Fitzpatrick won this year? There's a 1 win team, a 2 win team and 3 win team in there
I actually don't think anyone other than Darnold has less offensive talent around him than Jones. I do think Herbert and Burrow look quite good with pretty mediocre talent around them, but it's too early to really judge.
I think Wilson has had some atrocious talent around him at points in the preceding years.
If they get #1, they need to take Lawrence.
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but you've gotta be fair - when called upon to make a game winning play Jones made it. Engram didn't.
He should have caught that ball but I have issue with calling the pass perfect. It was on his fingertips, it would have been a good catch.
This is the NFL. That pass has to be caught 100 times out of 100. That was a perfect throw.
How are we going to get Lawrence? I really can't see the Jets finishing with the same or better record than us. They really look on course to go 0-16. And Washington are probably going to end up with a worse record too.
Trevor Lawrence may well look at the Jets and say, "Nah, I think I'll spend another year in college."*
*And the Jets end up with the #1 pick in 2022.
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but you've gotta be fair - when called upon to make a game winning play Jones made it. Engram didn't.
He should have caught that ball but I have issue with calling the pass perfect. It was on his fingertips, it would have been a good catch.
This is the NFL. That pass has to be caught 100 times out of 100. That was a perfect throw.
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That said, Jones has some nice attributes and showed a lot of grit last night. Extremely accurate with the football. His mobility is a weapon that needs to be utilized more. Makes pretty good decisions in the pocket. Outside of that, hard to get a read with the trash OL.
We’ll see how it plays out but I’m leaning towards giving him a fair shake and building around him. Root for a high pick and trade it down for a boatload of picks.
For me the issue is the turnovers. He has the most turnovers through 20 games of any QB ever. Second is Geno. That is really, really bad.
Last year Jones had 13 tds and 0 ints in the RZ. Yesterday PFF had it as his best game on the throws where he had a clean pocket. He engineered 1 of the best 4Q drives with a lead we've seen in years. As Aikman said, when he's given time he consistently makes elite throws. Both TD throws and the throw to Engram being examples of that.
Yesterday looked like Garrett finally loosened the reigns a little bit early in the game and obviously Shepard back helped as well. I would 100% sign for DJ playing to the exact same level as he did yesterday in any game the rest of the season. And if he does this team will simply not be in the Trevor Lawrence discussion for more than one reason.
1. Jones's mobility is a huge asset. There should be 8-10 planned QB runs each game. A priority this offseason should be acquiring two backup quarterbacks with mobility.
2. Jones is NOT a traditional pocket passer. If he is in the pocket past 2-3 seconds the chances of a successful play go down dramatically. The pass plays have to be designed to be prescribed throws - three prime examples from last night:
- TD to Tate
- big gain to Shepard (Aikman pointed it out - 3 steps and the ball was out)
- Engram drop
On these throws Jones probably identified his target pre-snap. In these situations he is a great passer. But you can't have him scanning for second or third reads. It has to be prescribed. Otherwise he's a liability.
THIS GUY IS NOT ELI. DON'T TRY TO MAKE HIM ELI.
QB runs, RPOs, rollouts - that's what works with Jones.
In 20 games, how many times has Jones had a clean pocket for 3 seconds? Seriously. Once or twice a game? Other QB's enjoy 3 seconds routinely – not every play, but routinely.
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but you've gotta be fair - when called upon to make a game winning play Jones made it. Engram didn't.
He should have caught that ball but I have issue with calling the pass perfect. It was on his fingertips, it would have been a good catch.
This is the NFL. That pass has to be caught 100 times out of 100. That was a perfect throw.
12 inches shorter would have been perfect. I still have the recording in HD. Watch it, it would be a good catch. He was running full speed and it hit his fingers, his palms did not touch it as far as I can tell. Looks like he got most of his fingers on it. NFL players should make that catch. not easily, not quite perfect pass. He had steps on the defender, it did not have to be as far.
Lol you are clueless (as already stated numerous times). It was an absolutely perfect pass. Engram didn’t even extend his arms! 99.99% of NLF players catch that ball...
Last year Jones had 13 tds and 0 ints in the RZ. Yesterday PFF had it as his best game on the throws where he had a clean pocket. He engineered 1 of the best 4Q drives with a lead we've seen in years. As Aikman said, when he's given time he consistently makes elite throws. Both TD throws and the throw to Engram being examples of that.
Yesterday looked like Garrett finally loosened the reigns a little bit early in the game and obviously Shepard back helped as well. I would 100% sign for DJ playing to the exact same level as he did yesterday in any game the rest of the season. And if he does this team will simply not be in the Trevor Lawrence discussion for more than one reason.
No, not all turnovers are equal, but over 20 games having the most turnovers cannot be attributed away to flukishness.
Lumping everything in as "turnovers" obscures things because as much as turnovers have continued to be an issue, he has actually improved his ball security in terms of fumbles. Here were your fumble leaders going into week 7:
5 - Zeke, Carr, Wentz, Burrow
4 - D Jones, Lock, Brady, Minshew, Haskins
Notice 3 of his contemporary 2nd year QBs also on poor teams, a rookie from this year, a HOF'er, and Wentz who has played behind a patchwork OL (and who also put the ball on the ground last night). Certainly not a list anyone wants to be on but also not "worst ever".
This year's issue is that he's thrown more picks and all around he just hasn't been as comfortable or successful in Garrett's scheme as he was in Shurmur's seemingly from day 1. That said I think we are seeing progress and the 2 picks each of the past 2 weeks were not the result of an incorrect decision but lack of execution from both Jones and his teammates. Kaden Smith got blown up by Chase Young and Jones couldn't get enough on the ball to get it out of play. Engram not only didn't secure the catch but he popped it up in the middle of the field. With last night having been Jones' best game throwing the ball all season it's odd to me to dismiss the context and act like Jones is holding them back when I think there's a far better case the opposite is true. If Engram makes 2 catches last night that each hit him in the hands Jones has 0 TO's and the Giants Org has their first win over the Eagles since 2016.
Lawrence is projected to be a superstar. You keep him at all costs. QB's are protected by the NFL.
And you can trade Jones if he is any good. He looks okay to me. Trade him then you get multiple picks. And you have cap space.
**********If Lawrence were the QB- the Giants would have 3 or 4 wins this year. He is better than Jones more than likely. That's how much a difference maker a QB is.
And Rodgers was the only first rounder of the three and he went in the mid-20's.
And Rodgers was the only first rounder of the three and he went in the mid-20's.
Doesn't make a difference where they were drafted. The fact is Lawrence is considered to be like them as a pro. A superstar. You are drafting what nearly all experts will consider a superstar similar to Luck. Who are we ot argue someone considered that great who has produced in big games vs Bama and Ohio State?
If projections at end of college season suggest he is not all that - then sure bypass him. But I don't believe I should fight the vast majority that will probably claim he is a probable superstar.
I just want to reiterate - I do NOT dislike Jones.
Sorry but Jones has to go. The team is not competitive and it mostly is on him.
Go back & watch last years dolphin game when Eli played. Same line ,same supporting cast.
He makes that same throw to Golden Tate like it was nothing. Literally the same throw that got me thinking “we’re onto something “ last night watching the game , We are not. i fell into the trap too thinking jones is the goods after the Tate touchdown... were so used to mediocre play from jones that when he does something good it’s supposed to be a big deal.
I threw a lot of picks but like typical Eli he also threw deep a lot. / td’s.They were up 2 scores ; scored 30 + points. That a team that would be playoff bound if not for fitz late start. Not some one win division team .
That L wasn't on him. The W should have been, and he damn near did it without help.
Other teams' mediocre players make key plays. Some of the Giants' "stars" simply don't, not at key junctures.
Jones can't throw the ball and then catch it himself.
Maybe it's impetuous to think one can make a judgement based on one game. Hell it probably is, but its not like the kid hasn't flashed before.
Thin slice analysis: Jones is the real deal.
Also, listened to Jordan Ranaan's pre game pod with two Eagles ESPN guys. One of the Eagles' beats, maybe both of them, said they made multiple calls around the league to "sources they trust" to get the skinny on Jones. Bottom line, Jones is very highly thought of throughout the league. Giants (ie, DG) did not err selecting Jones at 6... He's got it all.
Unfortunately, he has yet to play one game with a truly explosive receiving threat. We must, perhaps above all our other glaring needs, get some explosive speed on the outside.
Unfortunately, he has yet to play one game with a truly explosive receiving threat. We must, perhaps above all our other glaring needs, get some explosive speed on the outside.
Honestly I think you are dead wrong about what Jones needs at WR (and TE too). He needs a couple of guys that really CATCH the ball 1) reliably and 2) win in contested ball situations well better than 50%.
Engram is a "burner" himself... But he doesn't catch reliably, let alone win contested balls. DJ would be better served byguys like Kevin Boss or Greg Ballard than Engram.
My position has been that during the bye-week, the coaches and staff will work with the WHOLE team to work out the kinks and to "coach up" the young guys who need it.
I am going to judge Jones "post-bye week" for mainly turnovers. I believe post-bye we go with youth mostly:
Thomas-Hernandez-Gates-Lemiuex-Peartt - those five bodies will hopefully pave the way for 2021...
1. Jones's mobility is a huge asset. There should be 8-10 planned QB runs each game. A priority this offseason should be acquiring two backup quarterbacks with mobility.
2. Jones is NOT a traditional pocket passer. If he is in the pocket past 2-3 seconds the chances of a successful play go down dramatically. The pass plays have to be designed to be prescribed throws - three prime examples from last night:
- TD to Tate
- big gain to Shepard (Aikman pointed it out - 3 steps and the ball was out)
- Engram drop
On these throws Jones probably identified his target pre-snap. In these situations he is a great passer. But you can't have him scanning for second or third reads. It has to be prescribed. Otherwise he's a liability.
THIS GUY IS NOT ELI. DON'T TRY TO MAKE HIM ELI.
QB runs, RPOs, rollouts - that's what works with Jones.
No one except some idiot journalists and fans making him out to be Eli.
You don’t think it is weird that you are calling for an NFL qb to basically just continue with college level qb play?
College qbs do that sort of thing because ...
A. They can’t throw
B. He rules are different
Constantly rolling out cuts half the field ... you run it once is awhile .
The element of surprise works to get dj big yards on qb runs.
Do it often enough and defenses will catch on quick
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Agree with the earlier post that most people have no idea what they are watching on TV
Agree with the earlier post that most people have no idea what they are watching on TV
Anyone with a half a brain saw that DJ outplayed Wentz Thursday and just look at who had the better stat line. Kinda tells you what stats mean in football, at least traditional ones.
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For the rest of the season I just want him to have shep/Tate/Slayton all healthy. They aren’t a great unit, bottom third of the league I think. But, they are competent enough that Jones will be able to work 9n things and progress with three decent pros to work with.
Unfortunately, he has yet to play one game with a truly explosive receiving threat. We must, perhaps above all our other glaring needs, get some explosive speed on the outside.
Honestly I think you are dead wrong about what Jones needs at WR (and TE too). He needs a couple of guys that really CATCH the ball 1) reliably and 2) win in contested ball situations well better than 50%.
Engram is a "burner" himself... But he doesn't catch reliably, let alone win contested balls. DJ would be better served byguys like Kevin Boss or Greg Ballard than Engram.
That’s a good point. I certainly agree that those are important elements for Jones’ new receivers. I think hands and fight are minimum requirements for starting NFL WR’s. That’s why shephard’s return is big. He displays those “floor” traits better than anyone else we have
However, he needs someone who can credibly stretch the field and, at least occasionally, get separation. It would allow Jones a respite from trying to put throws into minimal windows. It would also be the first time Jones has a WR that demands game planning and will open up other areas.
Engram May be a “burner” compared to other TE’S, but even the fastest TE’s are not vertical threats. Right now we have mostly slow-ish receivers who run similar routes and rarely create an easy play for the QB. We need to find Jones a legitimate top 15 NFL wideout.
So as long as he is good -- the Giants desperately need to ensure he doesn't take the beating like he's ben taking.
SO ensure you get him adequate protection -- he is young and young kids sometimes have way too much bravado.
And most importantly he needs at least one of a big time tall receiver OR legit stud big tight end. Would love to have both but right now this team has neither.
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I'm very happy so far of the coaching. OFC I'm strictly speaking as a Giants fan - I think Peterson and Rivera are nuts. And I think McCarthy is now incompetent. Again these are highly successful coaches - so I'm only saying it as a fan and realize it doesn't mean much. It's just right now I'm happy with what I see from Judge. I think if he gets talent - he won't get overwhelmed by opposing coaches even if I'm wrong for example about the others in our division. But even the nuts coaches can do very well.
Eli did not take no 3 years to do anything. He was rocking and rolling by year 2. Moreover he had his 2nd best year in 2007. And it was a year that was one for the history books; in if 2011 never happened. Let's face it Eli was a pretty rare commodity. He beat up a pretty decent Miami Dolphins team last year at nearly 40 years old.