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Play calling with chance to win the game

armstead98 : 10/23/2020 1:46 pm
Before the Eagles last drive, and before the Engram drop, the Giants had the ball with the chance to win the game. A touchdown and it's over, running out the clock obviously ices it, and a FG makes it 8 points.

The Giants get the ball deep at their 20 and run Gallman effectively. The first run goes for 14 and a new first down, then another 10 and first down.

On the next 1st and 10 and they run Gallman again (makes sense given the success so far) and he gets 3. Time is ticking down but it's clear the Giants need a first down or the Eagles get the ball back.

I don't usually complain about play calls but I hated the next play where they run Gallman yet again.

1. It seemed obvious, the Eagles crowded the box and played for the run.
2. It felt like the Giants were playing to not lose the game, as opposed to playing for the win.

This was the perfect opportunity to run play action or an RPO. If they hit on that play it's game over, instead it felt like the Giants played scared.

So now we're in a long 3rd down and miss the play to Engram but in real time the turning point felt like that failed 2nd down run.

I think the good coaches like Reid and Belichick go for the jugular in that spot.

Was anyone else frustrated with that call?
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ryanmkeane : 10/23/2020 1:50 pm : link
eh, I thought Garrett pretty much called that entire drive as good as you can. They got two first downs using the run, and had the perfect play on third down, and Engram dropped it. If Engram catches that pass we are singing Garrett's praises on that last drive.
Um no.  
Dnew15 : 10/23/2020 1:51 pm : link
JG takes a lot heat about his playcalling.

He called that perfectly.

His players let him down.

End of story.
I think the running play was ok, and I understand your point  
Dinger : 10/23/2020 1:51 pm : link
but they kept getting yards and you want to use the clock up. If you have an incomplete in 2nd down or youre TFL its not good. I think going to Engram was questionable. Where's a play to Slayton? Shepard has hands. hell Even TATE made a tough catch earlier in the game. Too many times EE has missed the easy play. I would hope going forward that they would NOT go to Engram in any must have yardage situation. I truly want the to trade him, but its a case of selling at the low on him, so we'd be lucky to get a 4th round pick
they had it won  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/23/2020 1:54 pm : link
with the right play call. We can nickel and ime every play call for every coordinator. But the ball hit Engram in the hands and the game is over. I think Garrett did his job.
RE: Um no.  
sb from NYT Forum : 10/23/2020 2:18 pm : link
In comment 15022171 Dnew15 said:
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JG takes a lot heat about his playcalling.

He called that perfectly.

His players let him down.

End of story.


Exactly. He forced the Eagles to use a time out and put the team team in a position to win the game.
Come on  
TyreeHelmet : 10/23/2020 2:20 pm : link
Garrett did a great job of calling that series. Not sure how you could possibly criticize him for that.
Simply put..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/23/2020 2:27 pm : link
if Engram catches that ball, the only decision left is whether or not to try a FG or go for it on 4th down with seconds remaining.
RE: Um no.  
UConn4523 : 10/23/2020 2:31 pm : link
In comment 15022171 Dnew15 said:
Quote:
JG takes a lot heat about his playcalling.

He called that perfectly.

His players let him down.

End of story.


This is what I lean towards as well. I know it isn't "controversial" to blame the players, but I 100% do. They lost this game several times over.
RE: they had it won  
Spider56 : 10/23/2020 2:59 pm : link
In comment 15022176 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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with the right play call. We can nickel and ime every play call for every coordinator. But the ball hit Engram in the hands and the game is over. I think Garrett did his job.


+1 and Troy Aikman pretty much said the same thing ... 1 guy catches the ball, the other guy doesn’t. End of story.
Not sure about a riskier play there, but  
Simms11 : 10/23/2020 3:06 pm : link
I agree that an RPO might have been a better call. DJ was running wild all night and might have been able to pick up a first with his legs, especially if nothing is open short.
RE: ...  
Matt M. : 10/23/2020 4:56 pm : link
In comment 15022168 ryanmkeane said:
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eh, I thought Garrett pretty much called that entire drive as good as you can. They got two first downs using the run, and had the perfect play on third down, and Engram dropped it. If Engram catches that pass we are singing Garrett's praises on that last drive.
Agreed. I thought he called a good game in the second half. Even on the final drive, I hated the consecutive dinks to Engram (one being negated by a penalty), but as I was saying they need to do something like a double move to take a shot downfield, they did. Jones had Shepard (I think) just getting behind the CB when he got sacked from behind. I assume that's where he was going if he had another second.
RE: Simply put..  
section125 : 10/23/2020 5:43 pm : link
In comment 15022238 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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if Engram catches that ball, the only decision left is whether or not to try a FG or go for it on 4th down with seconds remaining.


Engram catches that ball and it is a TD. DB was not catching him.

Eagles had 3 timeouts and the first 2 plays  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/23/2020 5:50 pm : link
of the drive were runs of 10+ yards.

If anything you could argue that Jones should’ve kept the ball on the play prior to the Engram drop. The play calling was fine.
This Has Long Been My Pet Peeve as Well  
Jim in Tampa : 10/23/2020 7:09 pm : link
It's easy to defend Garrett's playcalling, because it was by the book. And if Engram makes the catch then it worked and the game is close to over.

But when it's 2nd down and 7 in that situation, I'd rather be agressive and pass on 2nd down to try and gain the 7 yards. That way, if it's incomplete or a shorter gain, you can still pass on 3rd down.

It's also a lot harder to gain yardage when the D knows what you're going to do.

On 2nd and 7 they'll stack the box because "the book" says you're going to run. Then on 3rd and 7, they'll expect a pass, making a completion less likely.

When you play not to lose and give your Offensive just one chance to make (in this case) 3rd and 6, it greatly reduces your odds of winning...especially given the Giants' D.

Some would argue that it's riskier to pass on 2nd down, because you could turn the ball over and an incomplete pass stops the clock.

But what is really the riskier option? Passing on 2nd down or giving the ball back to the Eagles with just over 2 minutes to play and expecting the Giants' D to keep them out of the end zone?
I agree with you  
rasbutant : 10/24/2020 8:05 am : link
If the situation was reversed I would be hoping the other would just run the ball there.

I think in general they need to run Jones more and thought this was the prefect situation for it.

Roll him out, give him a couple crossing route as an option or other easy completion. If it is there throw it for the easy completion, if not run it. Also, you send at least one deep, if the defense blows the coverage because they are all about stopping the run, you have a TD.
Hard to run out the clock with 4 and half minutes left  
Vanzetti : 10/24/2020 11:33 am : link
And the Eagles have all their TOs

Giants needed to score. That was obvious. D was gassed. Judge talks the talk but then he coached like a guy with two X chromosomes. Those guys don’t last long in the NFL
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