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Baldinger on the Giants offense (both good and bad)

Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/23/2020 2:24 pm
Brian Baldinger @BaldyNFL

@Daniel_Jones10 takes his team on the best drive of the season. What did it take? Execution; lots of attention to detail and lots of execution by all 11. Everything is possible for this #Giants team when they play like this #BaldysBreakdowns

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Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/23/2020 2:25 pm : link
Brian Baldinger @BaldyNFL

@giants are getting closer and closer. This play should have been a @ShowtimeTate TD on the reverse. It just comes down to better execution #BaldysBreakdowns
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I'll  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/23/2020 2:25 pm : link
spare you all of his clips on the Eagles making plays.
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UConn4523 : 10/23/2020 2:30 pm : link
In comment 15022225 Eric from BBI said:
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Brian Baldinger @BaldyNFL

@giants are getting closer and closer. This play should have been a @ShowtimeTate TD on the reverse. It just comes down to better execution #BaldysBreakdowns https://twitter.com/BaldyNFL/status/1319640434990338048 - ( New Window )


This is an example of Garrett's influence and how hard a read it is right now. It's a play I wouldn't see coming, and we didn't see it at all because of the poor execution. But that's a HR if its flipped.

So while disappointing its also a reason for optimism - we are definitely doing things differently, these guys just need to make good on the opportunities. Can't keep coming up small when you are put in the position to succeed.
This is why I don't understand the overwhelming  
Mike from Ohio : 10/23/2020 2:41 pm : link
hate for Garrett. I see him calling plays that can work, but many times aren't do more to lack of talent than poor coaching/play calling.

I'd like to see Jones run a little more, but otherwise I think he generally has called fairly decent games this year.
RE: This is why I don't understand the overwhelming  
crick n NC : 10/23/2020 2:49 pm : link
In comment 15022259 Mike from Ohio said:
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hate for Garrett. I see him calling plays that can work, but many times aren't do more to lack of talent than poor coaching/play calling.

I'd like to see Jones run a little more, but otherwise I think he generally has called fairly decent games this year.


Yep, Garrett knows offense. What are the chances that he is unaware of solutions to the offense's issues that fans are pointing out? I would say low chances.
Now, we need to see players held accountable  
JonC : 10/23/2020 2:53 pm : link
to get the attention to detail improved.
Good on  
McNally's_Nuts : 10/23/2020 2:57 pm : link
Gallman eating that. That play didn't stand a chance.
RE: This is why I don't understand the overwhelming  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/23/2020 3:04 pm : link
In comment 15022259 Mike from Ohio said:
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hate for Garrett. I see him calling plays that can work, but many times aren't do more to lack of talent than poor coaching/play calling.

I'd like to see Jones run a little more, but otherwise I think he generally has called fairly decent games this year.


I've seen far too many plays where WRs simply run the most basic, inconsequential patterns and have no impact on the play, and watched Jones wait desperately for someone to get open, only to see the play go nowhere.

Running an offense is a lot more than calling plays. Its about what each receiver is attempting to do on each assignment. 3 guys running curls was offense many years ago. There's a lot more to it these days.

You don't have to have a great collection of all pro WRs to score in this league. The best offensive minds in the NFL design offenses that create plays for WRs that aren't high draft picks and aren't all touched by the hand of God.

There isn't a QB in the league that has benefitted more from his offensive coordinator that Jared Goff, and probably not a WR that has been helped more than Cooper Kupp, for example.

The goal is making something out of what you have. Even Graham is doing that.

We dont have WRs that can line up and beat coverages on their own. But we keep expecting them to, and when they dont, we just throw our hands up and talk about no talent.

Yeah, talent is a part of it but they don't get anything at all out of what they have.

More to the point, Jason Garrett got his playcalling responsibilities taken from him, and the cowboys offense took off, and Dak stopped looking like a replaceable part. I think people just make the easy assumption that "cowboys good=Garrett good". They were happy to be rid of him. They put a tremendous amount of talent on that offense and he did an okay job.


If "if" and "buts" were candies and nuts  
HomerJones45 : 10/23/2020 3:09 pm : link
we'd all have a Merry Christmas.

You can do a film like this on every bad team. It's the NFL. Every team every game has an "almost" or "HR with just a little more" or "they'd be good if they played like this all the time" except they don't.

The fact of the matter is good teams get it done and bad teams don't and good teams have players that win battles and bad teams don't. This is a bad team.

I wish Baldinger, who I do like, would dissect why we had 4 three and outs in a row last night in a close game.
RE: Now, we need to see players held accountable  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/23/2020 3:10 pm : link
In comment 15022274 JonC said:
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to get the attention to detail improved.


This. I’ll be upset if I don’t see some benching or reduced snap counts on offense next week. Judge strikes me as a guy that practices what he preaches so I’ll be disappointed next week if we don’t see that.

Garrett has an excellent feel as a playcaller when to call things and go against tendency. You can see that every time he calls DJs number in run game. Pretty much lulls them then boom

RE: If  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/23/2020 3:11 pm : link
In comment 15022298 HomerJones45 said:
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we'd all have a Merry Christmas.

You can do a film like this on every bad team. It's the NFL. Every team every game has an "almost" or "HR with just a little more" or "they'd be good if they played like this all the time" except they don't.

The fact of the matter is good teams get it done and bad teams don't and good teams have players that win battles and bad teams don't. This is a bad team.

I wish Baldinger, who I do like, would dissect why we had 4 three and outs in a row last night in a close game.


Andrew Thomas. He really needs to sit.
It's not Garrett's fault  
David B. : 10/23/2020 3:26 pm : link
the players suck right now.

Thomas is having the VERY PREDICTABLE growing pains of 21 year-old starting. In another world, he'd be a Senior in college now.

Flemming is a career backup/swing tackle. Peart needs to start getting time there.

Zeitler is done according to Sy.

Gates and Hernandez are not really good yet.

As such, Jones (when he's not fumbling) has NO time. NONE. Simms even tweeted about it.

Barkley is out, and couldn't run behind this line when he was in.

Engram's problems are well documented here. He's now directly contributing to losses.

Jones is the most dangerous rusher on the team right now.

But yeah, it's Garrett's fault.




RE: It's not Garrett's fault  
GMen72 : 10/23/2020 9:57 pm : link
In comment 15022318 David B. said:
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the players suck right now.

Thomas is having the VERY PREDICTABLE growing pains of 21 year-old starting. In another world, he'd be a Senior in college now.

Flemming is a career backup/swing tackle. Peart needs to start getting time there.

Zeitler is done according to Sy.

Gates and Hernandez are not really good yet.

As such, Jones (when he's not fumbling) has NO time. NONE. Simms even tweeted about it.

Barkley is out, and couldn't run behind this line when he was in.

Engram's problems are well documented here. He's now directly contributing to losses.

Jones is the most dangerous rusher on the team right now.

But yeah, it's Garrett's fault.





The love for Garrett on this site is comical. He got replaced as the play caller in Dallas with the best OLine in the NFL, top 3 RB, stud TE, and average WRs. Now, in NY, his offense sucks again, and our fans are making excuses and saying it isn't his fault at all?

Garrett is average at best. Last night wasn't completely on him but we have a QB that can't throw for 200 yards in 4 of 7 games and an offense that cant score 20 points most of the time, against bad teams.

Yeah, Garrett is the best!
RE: RE: It's not Garrett's fault  
PatersonPlank : 10/24/2020 12:03 am : link
In comment 15022777 GMen72 said:
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In comment 15022318 David B. said:


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the players suck right now.

Thomas is having the VERY PREDICTABLE growing pains of 21 year-old starting. In another world, he'd be a Senior in college now.

Flemming is a career backup/swing tackle. Peart needs to start getting time there.

Zeitler is done according to Sy.

Gates and Hernandez are not really good yet.

As such, Jones (when he's not fumbling) has NO time. NONE. Simms even tweeted about it.

Barkley is out, and couldn't run behind this line when he was in.

Engram's problems are well documented here. He's now directly contributing to losses.

Jones is the most dangerous rusher on the team right now.

But yeah, it's Garrett's fault.







The love for Garrett on this site is comical. He got replaced as the play caller in Dallas with the best OLine in the NFL, top 3 RB, stud TE, and average WRs. Now, in NY, his offense sucks again, and our fans are making excuses and saying it isn't his fault at all?

Garrett is average at best. Last night wasn't completely on him but we have a QB that can't throw for 200 yards in 4 of 7 games and an offense that cant score 20 points most of the time, against bad teams.

Yeah, Garrett is the best!


This is a mantra that just isn't true. When he was strictly an OC his offenses were in the top 10, I believe even as high as #2. Its when he became HC he gave up the play calling, which makes sense. I don't see how him giving up the play calling as a HC, because he had too much to do, is a negative. Look at his record when he was OC.
At 1-6, everything needs to improve  
George from PA : 10/24/2020 4:24 am : link
Execution, play calling etc....

Vince Lombardi could rise from the dead and say the Giants  
Victor in CT : 10/24/2020 6:56 am : link
are on the right track, and the same people here will respond that they suck and Gettleman has to go.
RE: RE: It's not Garrett's fault  
section125 : 10/24/2020 7:11 am : link
In comment 15022777 GMen72 said:
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In comment 15022318 David B. said:


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the players suck right now.

Thomas is having the VERY PREDICTABLE growing pains of 21 year-old starting. In another world, he'd be a Senior in college now.

Flemming is a career backup/swing tackle. Peart needs to start getting time there.

Zeitler is done according to Sy.

Gates and Hernandez are not really good yet.

As such, Jones (when he's not fumbling) has NO time. NONE. Simms even tweeted about it.

Barkley is out, and couldn't run behind this line when he was in.

Engram's problems are well documented here. He's now directly contributing to losses.

Jones is the most dangerous rusher on the team right now.

But yeah, it's Garrett's fault.







The love for Garrett on this site is comical. He got replaced as the play caller in Dallas with the best OLine in the NFL, top 3 RB, stud TE, and average WRs. Now, in NY, his offense sucks again, and our fans are making excuses and saying it isn't his fault at all?

Garrett is average at best. Last night wasn't completely on him but we have a QB that can't throw for 200 yards in 4 of 7 games and an offense that cant score 20 points most of the time, against bad teams.

Yeah, Garrett is the best!


Stupidest comment. You freaking understand that Garrett was the head GD coach in Dallas. You do freakin understand it was his offense. You do understand that sometimes it is better not to call plays as the HC and the OC has more time to assess the offense then the HC who is running the whole show.
Yes, I question the trick plays that lose yardage, but then I watch other games and see other OCs do the same and with better talent......
When Zeitler plays at least at a competent level  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 10/24/2020 9:01 am : link
They can execute in the running game. But it doesn't look like he can take anyone 1-1 anymore, everything looks labored.
RE: Vince Lombardi could rise from the dead and say the Giants  
Angel Eyes : 10/24/2020 9:38 am : link
In comment 15022877 Victor in CT said:
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are on the right track, and the same people here will respond that they suck and Gettleman has to go.

I don't know about that. Lombardi hated losing, and even when they won he didn't like it when people didn't do their assignments. Look at LB Dave Robinson; in the 1966 NFL Championship Game vs the Dallas Cowboys the year before the Ice Bowl (now the NFC Championship Game) he was supposed to be in pass coverage, but he realized that the Cowboys had put "Bullet" Bob Hayes on blocking (a huge mistake given that Hayes was 6'0" 187lbs and Robinson was 6'3", 245lbs), blitzed into the Cowboys' backfield and nearly sacked Don Meredith, causing him to throw an interception that ended the game. Lombardi both praised and criticized Robinson on that play for being out of position.
Execution improves when players UNDERSTAND their roles and assignments  
SGMen : 10/24/2020 9:49 am : link
I considered the first four games "pre-season games" and the last few "the start of the learning curve" and now comes 10 days off with time to review what is working; coach up where neessary; remove that which can't work due to skill sets; and, possibly "send a message" via trades, cuts, promotions from PS.

Personally, I would start Peart at RT over Fleming vs the Bucs and beyond. Let the kid grow and get real world snaps & experience. Fleming is a swing tackle, a journeyman and it shows. I'm not sure where Lemiuex is in his development but I'd love for him to start NO LESS than the last say 2 games of the year over Zietler.

At season's end, I see a purge of players on both sides of the ball, mostly the overpaid and/or those that don't fit our system or desired "presence / attitude" and so forth.

I see a new GM on the horizon cause this is well UNACCEPTABLE.
Does anyone have any idea why  
Angel Eyes : 10/24/2020 9:55 am : link
Fleming is still starting?
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