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Giants trade Markus Golden to Arizona

McNally's_Nuts : 10/23/2020 5:01 pm
saw it on the Giants official tweeter
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RE: def more moves coming  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/23/2020 7:55 pm : link
In comment 15022667 nygiants16 said:
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I agree. And good.
If someone offered a 7th for Tate I'd unload him now  
SGMen : 10/23/2020 7:57 pm : link
I'd unload Zeitler for a 5th even as he isn't playing well and has a big contract.
I'd unload any veteran for value outside of the core group that the staff wants to build the team around.

This team is one 2 point conversion shy of being 0 -6..
I'd let Zeitler go for a 7th no question  
NoGainDayne : 10/23/2020 8:00 pm : link
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RE: If someone offered a 7th for Tate I'd unload him now  
nygiants16 : 10/23/2020 8:00 pm : link
In comment 15022678 SGMen said:
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I'd unload Zeitler for a 5th even as he isn't playing well and has a big contract.
I'd unload any veteran for value outside of the core group that the staff wants to build the team around.

This team is one 2 point conversion shy of being 0 -6..


Big thing in trading zeitler is getting lemexiu on the field..

One "buyers" move is finding a youngish receiver who is already paid to add to slayton and shep
The  
AcidTest : 10/23/2020 8:04 pm : link
sad part is that this is what we're talking about almost every year at this time because we can't even make it to Halloween before being out of contention.
RE: If someone offered a 7th for Tate I'd unload him now  
speedywheels : 10/23/2020 8:05 pm : link
In comment 15022678 SGMen said:
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I'd unload Zeitler for a 5th even as he isn't playing well and has a big contract.
I'd unload any veteran for value outside of the core group that the staff wants to build the team around.

This team is one 2 point conversion shy of being 0 -6..


And if they make one play each in three different games, they'd be 4-3...

What's your point?
RE: Hopefully  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/23/2020 8:09 pm : link
In comment 15022434 pjcas18 said:
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the "get more draft picks" crowd is ecstatic.

Ecstatic? No, but it's a step in the right direction.

Then again, you also think Borat and Project Veritas are comparable, so maybe nuance is lost on you?
RE: RE: RE: Hopefully  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/23/2020 8:11 pm : link
In comment 15022455 pjcas18 said:
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the "get more draft picks" crowd is ecstatic.



The ever essential "draft capital" replenishment



LOL, I keep my draft capital separate from my draft picks so I don't get them mixed up. They look so similar.

Do you need to have this explained to you again?

I thought you were a BCG or McKinsey guy? You know the difference between headcount and payroll, right? That's the difference between draft picks and draft capital.

Or maybe you're just obtuse?
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Amazinz : 10/23/2020 8:14 pm : link
In comment 15022574 Greg from LI said:
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Of course you'd keep Peppers' sorry ass


Lil' Greg, shut the fuck up. Why do you keep talking?
RE: RE: Great  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/23/2020 8:20 pm : link
In comment 15022457 NoGainDayne said:
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Now let's hope that Evan Engram, Kevin Zeitler, and Leonard Williams are next.



I would be shocked to see LW go. If we could get good value for Tomlinson though I'd mind the LW trade less.

I think I'd honestly prefer to retain Tomlinson and deal LW. I still think LW's got that brand-name price tag that Tomlinson has never had, and they're otherwise very similar dirty work DL players. But either way, I'd be pleased if we got something of value for one and extended the other, which would allow us to rebalance the roster a bit from the DL-heavy allocation that it currently carries.
GD definitely with you would 100% prefer to trade Williams  
NoGainDayne : 10/23/2020 8:24 pm : link
because we'd get more and Tomlinson is sure to cost less and I also see them as similar players.

Was just saying what I think DG would do. And IMO trading one of them is better than paying all 3 of Williams, Tomlinson, Lawrence, honestly I'm not thrilled at giving two of those guys big contracts either but assuming "fair" value don't mind trading Tomlinson as I'm resigned to Williams signing a massive deal this offseason at this point.
Cam Brown...Caughlin?  
Rafflee : 10/23/2020 8:29 pm : link
Even with X and Carter Hurt, they traded Golden. I liked Browns Snaps last night, and I thing we may see Coughlin as well.

I hope they consider something creative for Peppers. He's not a deep back, and they may as well try to find a spot to put his athleticism to work. Can he be a strong piece? We're officially wasting time with Him, now.

trade as many of the following as you can and get whatever you can  
GiantsFan84 : 10/23/2020 8:36 pm : link
LW, Peppers, Zeitler, Tomlinson, and Tate

LW won't be worth the money he will want next year. Peppers won't be worth a second contract. Zeitler is near the end and is blocking Lemiuex. Tomlinson is a run stuffer who won't be worth a second contract, and he is playing Lawrence's best position, and Tate is washed.
Is this the beginning  
David B. : 10/23/2020 8:49 pm : link
of the 2020 fire sale?
Good  
adamg : 10/23/2020 9:11 pm : link
People act like we don't have the second worst record in football and might be sellers for that reason...
I hate Gettleman but this isn’t a bad move.  
mikeinbloomfield : 10/23/2020 9:19 pm : link
That doesn’t make it acceptable that the Giants were forced to sign him in the first place because he was their best edge rusher last year.
RE: Maybe we will draft another  
BlueLou'sBack : 10/23/2020 9:26 pm : link
In comment 15022440 greek13 said:
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Special teams outside backer!


This post is a special kind of stupid. I mean really, really "special".

You don't realize that Tae Crowder, the Giants' Mr. Irrelevant pick, had earned himself the starting ILB role next to Martinez in the base D?

That with Lo Carter and Ximinez out injured, Cam Brown was earning reps at edge, in place of Golden???

Brown's performance on various STs units is apparently THE back room talk among the Giants' coaching staff...

You can bet your booty Golden was moved because this staff wants to see more of Cam Brown and possibly Carter Coughlin on the field playing defense.

In their minds, they had already moved on from Golden, who ar times was, apparently, not assignment sound.
I'm really surprised anyone gave up anything for him  
Eric on Li : 10/23/2020 9:29 pm : link
so good move. Golden clearly didn't fit the new scheme. Since he signing him as a UFA they essentially paid about $2m for a 6th round pick. That seems like good value.

Contrary to what seems like the mainstream opinion I hope they are judicious in who they trade. Guys like Golden who aren't a fit and don't have a future? C'est la vie. Maybe Peppers is on that list. Maybe Tate and Zeitler too. Engram is an affordable threat so I'd be less urgent to dump him if it's only going to be a day 3 pick. And LW is a guy I'd much rather have playing for the next few years than just adding a mid-round pick.
i wouldn't trade Williams or Tomlinson  
Platos : 10/23/2020 9:32 pm : link
chances are if we don't retain either/or we'll get a comp pick for whoever leaves. unless we add much more.

i'm thinking fackrell gets extended, we decide on one of the DTs, Ryan will probably leave unless he really wants to stay.
one of the beat reporters  
bc4life : 10/23/2020 9:32 pm : link
asked Tomlinson if he thought he could get traded. Wonder if reporter heard something or he's just throwing stuff at the wall?

On this or another thread someone pointed out that Johnson looked pretty good. Lawrence ain't going anywhere. Cannot see Williams and DT staying here. So, something's gotta give. Don't know if it will come down to a choice between those DT & LW though......do you trade DT away not knowing LW will sign for acceptable numbers?
RE: Turn those machines back on!!  
Optimus-NY : 10/23/2020 10:01 pm : link
In comment 15022633 JonC said:
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Get back in there and sell!! Sellllll!!


Not sure how anyone can see this as a negative.  
DonQuixote : 10/23/2020 10:48 pm : link
Giants play hardball with Golden in the offseason and retain him at a low cost, because no other team is willing to pay him more. Meanwhile, Giants are developing several promising linebackers. Now, after not really performing up to last year's level, maybe there was a reason other teams did not match the Giants' salary. Yet, the Giants still manage to get a low draft pick for Golden.

How is this an indictment of Gettleman? Not seeing it.
RE: one of the beat reporters  
chopperhatch : 10/23/2020 11:17 pm : link
In comment 15022762 bc4life said:
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asked Tomlinson if he thought he could get traded. Wonder if reporter heard something or he's just throwing stuff at the wall?

On this or another thread someone pointed out that Johnson looked pretty good. Lawrence ain't going anywhere. Cannot see Williams and DT staying here. So, something's gotta give. Don't know if it will come down to a choice between those DT & LW though......do you trade DT away not knowing LW will sign for acceptable numbers?


The way I see it, we have nobody else coming up for a contract (yea, Barkley, but....) and those two have been a great strength of ours. Bradberry os signed. I dont see us going nuts in FA. Likely we are more focused on the draft. Having Hill, DT, LW and DL as our front protects a qeak LB corps and secondary. I think we sign them both.
LW or DT should be traded next  
BigBlueNH : 10/23/2020 11:31 pm : link
whichever one they don't want to bring back next year. No way we shell out $$ to bring both back as FAs. The coaching staff should have a pretty good idea by now. Gotta get something and both have at least some value, even in a walk year.
RE: LW or DT should be traded next  
JohnnyFlowers : 10/23/2020 11:47 pm : link
In comment 15022813 BigBlueNH said:
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whichever one they don't want to bring back next year. No way we shell out $$ to bring both back as FAs. The coaching staff should have a pretty good idea by now. Gotta get something and both have at least some value, even in a walk year.


Wouldn't we get decent Comp picks if we don't resign them?
another coach killing D.G. pick.......  
thrunthrublue : 10/24/2020 12:21 am : link
Once you realize that you, sitting on your couch in Paramus, have gotten closer to opposing quarterbacks this season than golden....you will see that paying his game many zeroes game checks are a waste of the mara's monies.....88 has to be cut loose too....but most of all to blame is the systemic scouting and talent evaluating giants mechanism...to win it really has to be torn out root and branch from the teams scouting pipeline. accumulating so many wasted picks.......especially in their consideration for character and talent. from blowing their hands to bits from forth of July m-80's to performing in armed robberies, to crashing their trucks into poles, to taking decrepit boat trips.....it just goes on and on is a shit parade of selfishness towards their team. D>G must be freed up to do for other nfl team what he has done for the 1 and 5 giants.
Depressing  
Bavaro_the_Mafioso : 10/24/2020 12:24 am : link
How many years in a row is it the same old shit. Sad ass fking franchise
RE: another coach killing D.G. pick.......  
BlueLou'sBack : 10/24/2020 1:37 am : link
In comment 15022825 thrunthrublue said:
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Once you realize that you, sitting on your couch in Paramus, have gotten closer to opposing quarterbacks this season than golden....you will see that paying his game many zeroes game checks are a waste of the mara's monies.....88 has to be cut loose too....but most of all to blame is the systemic scouting and talent evaluating giants mechanism...to win it really has to be torn out root and branch from the teams scouting pipeline. accumulating so many wasted picks.......especially in their consideration for character and talent. from blowing their hands to bits from forth of July m-80's to performing in armed robberies, to crashing their trucks into poles, to taking decrepit boat trips.....it just goes on and on is a shit parade of selfishness towards their team. D>G must be freed up to do for other nfl team what he has done for the 1 and 5 giants.



Ummm errrr yeah... Marcus Golden was never a "D.G. pick".


He was a low cost FA pickup who, after playing about 1.5 years with the Giants, netted them a low draft pick via a trade back to the team that originally let him go...

That's called "free money"... This was a plus move by Getts. Admittedly a lucky one perhaps more than skillful, but still a good move.

And if the Giants found 2 players who can have a role in their d schemes, (Crowder and Cam Brown),or even 3 (Coughlin?) among their 4 bottom of the barrel picks at LB and DB from the 2020 draft, that is a HUGE win.
Lol  
Sonic Youth : 10/24/2020 3:12 am : link
People arguing peppers is good? Lololol
So basically the Giants paid ~$2.5 million for a 6th round pick  
sb from NYT Forum : 10/24/2020 3:16 am : link
...because that's what they paid Golden so far this season.

I have no idea if that's good or bad. But that's the dollars and cents of it.

$1.375 million roster bonus

$100,000 per game bonus (so $700,000)

Base salary of $1.07 million ($470,000 through 7 games).
for a 6th rounder  
Chip : 10/24/2020 7:32 am : link
who cares. 6th rounders don't amount to anything. I wish Markus well. Why people get excited about picks after the 4th round is ridiculous.
RE: for a 6th rounder  
GiantsRage2007 : 10/24/2020 8:01 am : link
In comment 15022883 Chip said:
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who cares. 6th rounders don't amount to anything. I wish Markus well. Why people get excited about picks after the 4th round is ridiculous.


is this a Tom Brady quote?
A nice effort player on a poor defense last year  
GiantTuff1 : 10/24/2020 8:59 am : link
in a scheme only he seemed to be able to understand.

I was disappointed he didn't make more of an impact this year, though his name was called a little more in recent weeks. His size is a big issue, and once he had to be on the field more often in the run game with Zo going down, he was exposed as a major liability.

Makes sense to get him out of here for something, and give the time to the young pups.
If only we could get a 6th for Gettleman  
Giant4Life : 10/24/2020 9:01 am : link
But instead, he'd probably cost us two 1's and a 2.
This trade only makes sense  
Giant4Life : 10/24/2020 9:02 am : link
If Gettleman isn't drafting the pick.
RE: for a 6th rounder  
BigBlueShock : 10/24/2020 9:41 am : link
In comment 15022883 Chip said:
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who cares. 6th rounders don't amount to anything. I wish Markus well. Why people get excited about picks after the 4th round is ridiculous.

This is stupid. Just one example of the stupidity, Tae Crowder was a 7th round pick. He became the starting LB by the 6th game and played very well. Players can be found late in the draft. And it’s even likely they can contribute more than a guy that wasnt going to be on the team next season anyways...
Or  
Toth029 : 10/24/2020 10:04 am : link
How Darius Slayton was a 5th round.

Travis Fulgham was a 6th (by DET). Tre Flowers was a 6th (by SEA). Russell Gage and Boston Scott both wee 6th.

So yeah, they matter.
RE: RE: LW or DT should be traded next  
beatrixkiddo : 10/24/2020 10:15 am : link
In comment 15022816 JohnnyFlowers said:
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whichever one they don't want to bring back next year. No way we shell out $$ to bring both back as FAs. The coaching staff should have a pretty good idea by now. Gotta get something and both have at least some value, even in a walk year.



Wouldn't we get decent Comp picks if we don't resign them?


Guess it depends what they sign for, obviously a team pick trumps a comp pick and you don’t have to roll the dice on what round they will compensate you, plus and FA signings we make cancel those out from my understanding which can limit your hand if your playing that game. I think it’s a wise idea, especially if they can return a late 3rd for one of them to help a playoff team improve.
RE: Not sure how anyone can see this as a negative.  
FStubbs : 10/24/2020 10:23 am : link
In comment 15022795 DonQuixote said:
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Giants play hardball with Golden in the offseason and retain him at a low cost, because no other team is willing to pay him more. Meanwhile, Giants are developing several promising linebackers. Now, after not really performing up to last year's level, maybe there was a reason other teams did not match the Giants' salary. Yet, the Giants still manage to get a low draft pick for Golden.

How is this an indictment of Gettleman? Not seeing it.


This. Gettleman definitely needs to be canned, but this was a good move. Giants basically paid $3.5 million to add a 6th round draft pick.
RE: Or  
Jay on the Island : 10/24/2020 10:30 am : link
In comment 15022964 Toth029 said:
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How Darius Slayton was a 5th round.

Travis Fulgham was a 6th (by DET). Tre Flowers was a 6th (by SEA). Russell Gage and Boston Scott both wee 6th.

So yeah, they matter.

David Diehl 5th round pick
Shane Lemieux 5th round pick
Gibril Wilson 5th round pick
Kevin Boothe 6th round pick (Raiders)
Kaden Smith 6th round pick (49'ers)
chopperhatch  
bc4life : 10/24/2020 10:35 am : link
They may want some of that $$$ to shop with though?
Tomlinson played well vs Eagles, really well in spots  
JonC : 10/24/2020 12:13 pm : link
He knows it's audition time if he wants to get paid, and possibly traded to a better team. Same with LW, tho he's compensation floor should be much higher.

Giants apparently couldn't get the draft pick they wanted for him last off-season, not sure they'll do better now. Maybe a #4 could be had from a team like the Bills.
Rumor is the Bills are very interested in one of our DTs  
LBH15 : 10/24/2020 12:19 pm : link
likely it is Tomlinson.
RE: Rumor is the Bills are very interested in one of our DTs  
Jay on the Island : 10/24/2020 12:26 pm : link
In comment 15023099 LBH15 said:
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likely it is Tomlinson.

How about Dawson Knox and a 3rd for Evan Engram and Leonard Williams?
RE: RE: Rumor is the Bills are very interested in one of our DTs  
Eric on Li : 10/24/2020 12:30 pm : link
In comment 15023110 Jay on the Island said:
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likely it is Tomlinson.


How about Dawson Knox and a 3rd for Evan Engram and Leonard Williams?


I'd Engram and a DT for a 2nd and a conditional pick if the DT resigns. Maybe I'd do a 3rd if the deal included Tomlinson, but not Williams.
RE: RE: Rumor is the Bills are very interested in one of our DTs  
LBH15 : 10/24/2020 12:44 pm : link
In comment 15023110 Jay on the Island said:
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likely it is Tomlinson.


How about Dawson Knox and a 3rd for Evan Engram and Leonard Williams?


Who's Knox?
RE: RE: RE: Rumor is the Bills are very interested in one of our DTs  
Jay on the Island : 10/24/2020 12:44 pm : link
In comment 15023119 Eric on Li said:
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likely it is Tomlinson.


How about Dawson Knox and a 3rd for Evan Engram and Leonard Williams?



I'd Engram and a DT for a 2nd and a conditional pick if the DT resigns. Maybe I'd do a 3rd if the deal included Tomlinson, but not Williams.

I would want more too but seeing what Ngakoue just went for has lowered my expectations. I would like to re-sign Williams but only for $13-14 million per season. He is not going to accept that so I would rather get something for him now rather than nothing this offseason.

RE: RE: RE: Rumor is the Bills are very interested in one of our DTs  
Jay on the Island : 10/24/2020 12:47 pm : link
In comment 15023154 LBH15 said:
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likely it is Tomlinson.


How about Dawson Knox and a 3rd for Evan Engram and Leonard Williams?



Who's Knox?

Knox is a 2019 3rd round pick of the Bills. He recorded 388 receiving yards during his rookie season.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Rumor is the Bills are very interested in one of our DTs  
LBH15 : 10/24/2020 12:49 pm : link
In comment 15023160 Jay on the Island said:
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likely it is Tomlinson.


How about Dawson Knox and a 3rd for Evan Engram and Leonard Williams?



Who's Knox?


Knox is a 2019 3rd round pick of the Bills. He recorded 388 receiving yards during his rookie season.


Was just looking him up. Ironically Mississippi.

Engram and LW seems a bit much for this guy. But I really don't know his potential Jay.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Rumor is the Bills are very interested in one of our DTs  
Jay on the Island : 10/24/2020 12:51 pm : link
In comment 15023164 LBH15 said:
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Was just looking him up. Ironically Mississippi.

Engram and LW seems a bit much for this guy. But I really don't know his potential Jay.

I also suggested a 3rd round pick with Knox. Knox was a very popular TE around here by some during the draft. He has the potential to be a very good receiving TE. I don't know much about his blocking but he can't be worse than Engram.
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