He thinks the Giants will win more than 4 games based on how competitive they’ve been.
As of now, he doesn’t get the sense that Gettleman is a lock to be gone, if Jones is the guy at QB, it makes it complicated.
Lastly, and this is encouraging - a lot of young executives would want the GM job based on Judge. Ideally, I would like to see Judge paired with a young executive.
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Exactly. As far as we know, Judge could think he is a dink.
Why would they saddle him with a GM he doesn't feel will help him succeed?...
IMO the reason they hired Judge in was to help change the culture in the front office. Gettleman "retires" after this season, Judge brings in his guy or has more input on personnel with someone like Abrams at GM.
I hope its the former. I hope Judge gets his guy and together they change the course of this team.
Why would they saddle him with a GM he doesn't feel will help him succeed?...
IMO the reason they hired Judge in was to help change the culture in the front office. Gettleman "retires" after this season, Judge brings in his guy or has more input on personnel with someone like Abrams at GM.
I hope its the former. I hope Judge gets his guy and together they change the course of this team.
Bingo. I think this is it. It’s one of two scenarios:
1.) Judge has an idea of who he hopes to work with as GM, maybe they’ve even already talked. Mara would still need to approve the hire.
2.) It is already been discussed in the interview process that Abrams will be taking over with Judge having personnel input (not running the show, but significant input). Judge was comfortable with this and that is the understanding.
Belichick recommended this and I’m sure the front office dynamic come up with his conversations with Judge before taking the job. Also, Judge strikes me as very smart. I don’t think as a 38 year old he would jump into an opportunity with a 4-12 team and a lame duck GM unless some of those concerns were addressed.
We play our division opponents 1 more time each and could get 2 or even 3 wins there. The Bengals are not a guaranteed loss and either are the Cards or Browns.
Right now the key is what we do before the trade deadline- EE, Zeitker, Tate all could go to bolster 2021.
Keep in mind the draft this past year and our team make up and philosophy under judge. He wants scheme and position versatility. We drafted guys like Brown, Coughlin, Crowder etc. to give us youth and flexibility in both the LB'er position and special teams. Our Oline picks (while still a work in progress) are there for 2021 as much as they were for 2020. Thomas will be one T (I still think RT) and Peart will be another. SL will get one of the guard spots.
If we play things right we will sign some guys who can help right away (WR and (CB) and trade down in draft to get a couple of additional picks. If we get an Edge rusher and say another WR or another CB then get another TE and a 2nd drafted WR, all of a sudden our team is vsstly different and very young- long term success..
You could also look at it like this, the giants are a terrible Rivera decision away from being 0-7. Also consider this, the Giants played one of their better games in some time in philly coupled with philly with doing ever single thing they could through 3 quarters to give the Giants the game, and they still lost. Heck, they barely got any yardage with the ability to still kick a FG to win. Also consider, the current iteration of the Eagles are terrible.
Consistency for the sake of consistency is foolish if the people leading the organization aren't the right people. McAdoo, Shurmur, Gettleman have all been bad to horrible hires. The only consistency they've brought, outside of BMs first year, is being consistently bad. But yes it's much better to keep the wrong people because of consistency 🙄🙄
Liked his big speech but quite frankly he has looked like another failed Belichick assistant coach promoted to HC
Belichick's first season as head coach of the Patriots, they were 0-4 and then 2-8.
I guess they shoulda fired him right there and then!
Some of us are assessing Joe Judge on a little more than the win/loss record, like how he handles the players, how they respond to him, what decisions he makes, but you go ahead, make him responsible for this roster.
He's had some good to very good acquistions and some misses. But that said, the product on the field just isn't good enough to win games consistently unless they play a near perfect game and that falls on the GM.
My hopes are that they'll reach outside of the organization who is philosophically aligned with Judge and they'll be able to upgrade the talent ASAP.
This offseason will be critical.
This is the big one to me. While he hasn’t really sacrificed the future after he’s gone and I think he’s set us up okay moving forward. This is the fireable offense to me. That and okaying Shurmur. You can’t have the number 1 mandate you give is to fix oline and 3 years later it still doesn’t seem close. Of course if Thomas and Peart work out, it will look much better than it is. Problem is he whiffed on Pio, Solder, and Zietlee and Hernandez isn’t the steal he was billed as. A competent NFL guard at this point.