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If we do decide Jones isn’t the solution, Fields should be given a long look if we have a top five pick (but not the first).
I’ve been back and forth on him. Finally had a chance to be a starter last year after transferring from Georgia. Put up outstanding numbers. Just not sure about his overall passing qualities. But the physical attributes are certainly there...
Minnesota has this freak at OT who makes Mekhi Becton look like a poodle. The kid is 6'10, 400 pounds, but he's VERY athletic for his size.
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Minnesota has this freak at OT who makes Mekhi Becton look like a poodle. The kid is 6'10, 400 pounds, but he's VERY athletic for his size.
"According to Bruce Feldman of The Athletic, Minnesota sophomore (now junior) T Daniel Faalele recorded a vertical jump of 29 inches and an 8-foot, 7-inch broad jump.
Those numbers would be impressive for any lineman, much less one with the physical dimensions of Faalale. The rising sophomore is listed at 6-foot-9, 400 pounds, and in addition to the vertical and broad jump numbers he benches 391 pounds, hang cleans 375 and squats 570. Feldman also noted that Faalele has 275 pounds of lean mass"
You keep saying that but not giving a reason why? Kids is insanely talented he’s most likely top 3
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Great throw but no need to throw in buzzwords there. That was not an “anticipation” throw. The corner was sitting high and on the outside and the guy was running a post. That is not example of great anticipation. Every NFL QBs makes that throw. I will give him that was a dime.
Fields threw the ball just as the WR was coming out of his break. It was excellent ball placement.
Right but the corner but was sitting on the top and outside. Shit any D1 QB is making that throw not just NFL. It was a dime, but to say that’s anticipation is ludicrous.
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is a huge TE. Guy is a tree...
Minnesota has this freak at OT who makes Mekhi Becton look like a poodle. The kid is 6'10, 400 pounds, but he's VERY athletic for his size.
Right. Saw him last year. I may have brought him when people where talking about Bechton and his size prior to the draft. Faaelele is a airplane hanger. Australian...right?
I think this is probably accurate. Probably. A lot has to happen from now until April for the giants to not only end up drafting a hot shot qb in round one but for jones to be actually be dealt. It’s possible but a so many dominoes need to fall.
I think he is, he’s always had the arm talent, and has always been neck and neck with Lawrence coming out of high school. The biggest thing to look for is whether he plays with timing and anticipation in the pocket as the season goes on.
The thing I like about Fields, is that you can alleviate a lot of growing pains by being able to extend plays.
There's a lot more tape on Lawrence versus tape defenses at this point though and he's rang the ball. I'm not even sure what to take from this game against Nebraska. They have one of the worst defenses in the Big10. I will say Fields certainly looks the part though, but doubt anybody is going to use this one as a go to game for scouting purposes.
The thing I like about Fields, is that you can alleviate a lot of growing pains by being able to extend plays.
True. But I do think Jones is underrated throwing on the move. I think that's one of his better features. I don't think that he's that great throwing from a pocket...
Has to. I can't believe anyone ever watched Fromm and thought he was good. The fact there were people here talkin about him to us made me want to puke.
There's a lot more tape on Lawrence versus tape defenses at this point though and he's rang the ball. I'm not even sure what to take from this game against Nebraska. They have one of the worst defenses in the Big10. I will say Fields certainly looks the part though, but doubt anybody is going to use this one as a go to game for scouting purposes.
Agree on the last part - just one game so far this season for Fields. Need more intel.
Lawrence was indeed terrific vs Alabama. Not so versus LSU. And the ACC is not littered with top defenses anymore now that Miami and FSU have slipped...
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Has to. I can't believe anyone ever watched Fromm and thought he was good. The fact there were people here talkin about him to us made me want to puke.
Ain't that the truth. Some around here had him as a first rounder. That was one of the dumber things I have ever read around here...
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The thing I like about Fields, is that you can alleviate a lot of growing pains by being able to extend plays.
True. But I do think Jones is underrated throwing on the move. I think that's one of his better features. I don't think that he's that great throwing from a pocket...
Really? I think it’s the opposite. I think he’s really good in the pocket, runs a great read option, but once he has to leave the pocket, I think he struggles to create with his arm.
Really? I think it’s the opposite. I think he’s really good in the pocket, runs a great read option, but once he has to leave the pocket, I think he struggles to create with his arm.
I could be off on this. I just happen to like Jones on the move. The more he stays in the pocket the more I think he's prone to turnovers.
Just based on the Mara Way, I agree.
But it's any sell for me - Fields is a more dynamic prospect than Jones. So many more plus attributes.
And the Fields love is grass always greener syndrome.
To me, it's not a question that Fields is a superior prospect to Jones at QB. Just more dynamic as a creator.
I will say this. The second would be TD throw that Olave dropped on the deep post, it was a good pass, not a great one. Olave made a great attempt going high for the ball, but if Fields places that ball a few steps more towards the left hash, it's an easy TD. I think this needed to be pointed out bc the broadcast crew was talking about it being a perfect throw, it was not.
The deep throws between the hashes do look good, but these aren't the biggest degree of difficulty throws. So I want to see more, but the tools seem to be there to garner some pretty exciting comps for Fields.
And the Fields love is grass always greener syndrome.
Greatest season by a QB in CFB history. As great an OC as Brady is, Burrow still needs to execute it on the field and he did so with historic efficiency. Brady still watches from the sideline.
Great college football teams are going to be talented.
Great college football teams are going to be talented.
Yeah, I dont really understand this either. Its a stupid, stupid way to pretend to 'scout' a qb. This is not how professional evaluators think.
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“He has a turn around him and a ton of time to throw” for every top college QB prospect.
Great college football teams are going to be talented.
Yeah, I dont really understand this either. Its a stupid, stupid way to pretend to 'scout' a qb. This is not how professional evaluators think.
Yup. There’s ways to evaluate a QB while separating the talent around him.
It’s weird, Jones gets the excuses that he has nothing around him, but we also have to be careful and not take Fields because he has a really good team around him. What exactly do people want?
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He has the 32 ranked rushing attack, few weapons, and an OL that is struggling mightily.
I wouldn't be opposed to drafting Fields or even Trey Lance if the Giants loved either one but I think it's wiser to focus on other positions like ER, WR, CB, etc.
For sure, but if you have the chance to take Lawrence or Fields, who are simply better QB prospects than Jones is and was, you seize the opportunity.
Don't worry, if the opportunity presents itself, we will. I guarantee it.
Except it’s not a factor at all. The talent around him is inconsequential to evaluating him, unless you’re only looking at touchdowns and highlights.
The talent around him has no impact on how fast he goes through his progressions, his arm strength, his internal clock, his accuracy, or his athleticism.
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“He has a turn around him and a ton of time to throw” for every top college QB prospect.
Great college football teams are going to be talented.
Yeah, I dont really understand this either. Its a stupid, stupid way to pretend to 'scout' a qb. This is not how professional evaluators think.
It definitely has to be part of the conversation. There are lots of lots of QB's who looked really good because of their surrounding talent, Leinert is the first one that comes to mind, also J Russell, yes Haskins, Rosen, on and on.
That is why things like private workouts and combines become so important. The scouts get to see these guys out of their environment, and shoulder to shoulder with their peers.
You can't just proclaim a guys is going to be good just because he looks good for Ohio St or Clemson. All it means is that they likely were better when they were 18, but now they are 22. Lots of times the kid from Duke or Vandy (Cutler for example) is better but his stats are worse.
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Say, "don't take fields because of surrounding talent"? Considering the circumstances of a player is logical, whether you're talking about lack of talent or great talent. It's not the deciding factor, but should it be considered in my opinion.
Except it’s not a factor at all. The talent around him is inconsequential to evaluating him, unless you’re only looking at touchdowns and highlights.
The talent around him has no impact on how fast he goes through his progressions, his arm strength, his internal clock, his accuracy, or his athleticism.
Ok, we'll just disagree on that.
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Say, "don't take fields because of surrounding talent"? Considering the circumstances of a player is logical, whether you're talking about lack of talent or great talent. It's not the deciding factor, but should it be considered in my opinion.
Except it’s not a factor at all. The talent around him is inconsequential to evaluating him, unless you’re only looking at touchdowns and highlights.
The talent around him has no impact on how fast he goes through his progressions, his arm strength, his internal clock, his accuracy, or his athleticism.
Sure it does. Lot easier to get comfortable in the pocket when the pass rush you are facing is a light breeze. Haskins QB rating against pressure was unreal because he rarely faced it and when he did his guts would win their 1v1 battles. I want to see what a guy looks like when he’s facing down in and down our pressure and how he reacts to that mentally.
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Say, "don't take fields because of surrounding talent"? Considering the circumstances of a player is logical, whether you're talking about lack of talent or great talent. It's not the deciding factor, but should it be considered in my opinion.
Except it’s not a factor at all. The talent around him is inconsequential to evaluating him, unless you’re only looking at touchdowns and highlights.
The talent around him has no impact on how fast he goes through his progressions, his arm strength, his internal clock, his accuracy, or his athleticism.
Sure it does. Lot easier to get comfortable in the pocket when the pass rush you are facing is a light breeze. Haskins QB rating against pressure was unreal because he rarely faced it and when he did his guts would win their 1v1 battles. I want to see what a guy looks like when he’s facing down in and down our pressure and how he reacts to that mentally.
Then you’ll only be drafting QBs from average programs then.
No college QB has 10 seconds in the pocket and id wager most of Fields’ throws are out in under 5 seconds. The receiver being open doesn’t mean you’ll complete the throw.