Daniel Jones maximum speed on the 80 yard run was 21.23 MPH
To put this in perspective this is the fastest time for a QB in the last three years. The only faster time was Jackson in 2018.
See attached Nextgen stats diagram
Tyreek Hill fastest MPH is 21.29 MPH ONLY .06 faster than Jones
Daniel Jones has 296 yards rushing and is averaging an amazing 9.6 yards per carry.
While Jones has played more games than other players, he has only rushed 31 times.
The three top running qbs;
Murray has 51 carries and 370 yards
Jackson has 50 carries and 346 yards
Jones has 31 carries and 296 yards
Jones is leading the league with tight window throws and is second making throws under duress. (the Giants lead the league in blown blocking Thomas and Fleming are at the bottom of the league.)
Due to the pressure coverage and tight window coverage.
Daniel Jones to Golden Tate 39-yard TD had just a 1.6% TD probability according to Nextgen completion probability & xYAC models
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Wait.....
Kidding. Maybe he can complete the play next time.
I don't dispute it, I think that's a really interesting stat and easily the thing I've been most impressed with from Jones. His arm strength may not be elite but his accuracy is.
In terms of the dual threat, I'd still rather not run him too much. When he went down on the long run I figured he pulled something. As much as there's a trend towards rushing QB's, Mahomes and Russell Wilson really only run sparingly other than buying time. Russell Wilsons rushing attempts the last few years have been about 50% of what they used to be at his peak. I'd rather Jones emulate those guys than Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson if it's at all possible. Lamar is quick enough to avoid a lot of big hits but Allen takes an absolute beating every game.
haha!
hopefully in my lifetime.
Jones is a plus athlete, has speed, is tough and is accurate. A lot of good qualities.
The best QBs in the league are never in the top tier of tight window throws. Now there has been done debate of whether Jones being in the top of tight window throws is a result of receivers not getting separation or a trait of his QB style.
I personally think it's a trait of his QB style as if you look at the WR next gen stats our WRs are average in getting separation.
This leads me to believe that Jones is always going to be in the tops in tight window throws which means he'll always be prone to interceptions.
Bradberry is the ONLY Giant will a shot at the probowl right now; Martinez perhaps too.
My thing during this "break" is for the coaches to figure out what is working; figure out what clearly isn't; and, get the players coached up where they need it.
I am confident Jones is the answer at QB.
HAHAHAHAHAHA.
OMG that was great.
He's doesn't have a lot of skill position talent around him compared to other comparably talented QB's, and the blocking he gets has usually been awful.
BUT . . . .
I am growing concerned. Despite his obvious talent, he doesn't seem to have a feel for the game he's in, something the really good QB's all have. And it still looks like it is taking him much too long to go through his reads. Sometimes QB's that fit that description wind up being career long journeymen.
But he's only in his 2nd year, and he's already in ANOTHER new offensive system, so I know that could change, and it'll all come together for him.
But I am growing concerned.
Next gen stats track WR separation as a category so you can see the average separation our WRs get compared to the rest of the league.
Below average separation would suggest the tight window throws are a product of poor WRs. If WR separation is average or better, to me that is an indication of a QBs decision making. More throws in tight windows would seem to be prone to more interceptions unless the accuracy is spot on.
The fact that he stumbled means, at least to me is that he can't really run as fast as you want to give him credit for.
Yes he certainly does. The Giants need to add a starting WR, another WR for depth preferably one that can stretch the field, a TE, and a backup RB.
Free agency will be interesting this season. If the cap goes down as expected many teams will be scrambling just to get under the cap. This will force them to sit out free agency.
I would like to see the Giants attempt to add a WR in FA. My main targets would be Will Fuller, Kenny Golladay, or Corey Davis. I doubt Golladay hits the market but if he does then he would look great opposite Slayton.
The best QBs in the league are never in the top tier of tight window throws. Now there has been done debate of whether Jones being in the top of tight window throws is a result of receivers not getting separation or a trait of his QB style.
I personally think it's a trait of his QB style as if you look at the WR next gen stats our WRs are average in getting separation.
This leads me to believe that Jones is always going to be in the tops in tight window throws which means he'll always be prone to interceptions.
Tight window throws DO work - IF you have the horses at WR and a defense you can count on to get the ball back. Great example was Watson at Clemson; Swinney encouraged the 50 - 50 throws because he had the WRs to win contested balls and Venables' D to get the ball back.
Current NYG WR and D - not so much.
Both Nextgen and PFF keep stats for separation and pressure.
The Giants WRs average about 2yds of separation which is among the worst in the league
Their lack of separation in conjunction with lack of time,( Giants lead the league in blown blocks and pressure) contribute to the necessity to make TWTs
With better receivers and better protection Jones will not have to make TWTs. This is important as historically it is significantly less probable to complete TWTs.
Some additional stats
AGG% Aggressiveness tracks the amount of passing attempts a quarterback makes that are into tight coverage, where there is a defender within 1 yard or less of the receiver at the time of completion or incompletion. (AGG is shown as a % of attempts into tight windows over all passing attempts ) Daniel Jones 17.7% (top 7)
Jones is showing improvement each week.
This past week his QB Rating was 91.9 which is up significantly from 71 for the season.
This rating does not include his running stats.
Finally see attached chart showing Jones effectiveness throwing to various areas of the field
In looking at the chart what jumps out is that contrary to common perception Jones is far more effective throwing long than the short
His ratings from deep left to deep right are 101.9,158.3 and 104.3
His middle intermediate throws are 114.9
His short throws are very poor (low of 7.5 to 82.9)
This begs the question why aren't the Giants throwing downfield more. Jones is a far better deep thrower than short.
It is not surprising that Jones best rated days are the days he throws long.
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This is a new offense . It takes a while for a qb much less a second year player to be comfortable in the system
There is hope that the OL will improve, the running game be more efficient, and that the receivers will get better separation
In addition I hope that Garrett takes the training wheels off and let’s Jones throw downfield more
I expect that we will see steady improvement from Jones
Jones has all the physical attributes to succeed
I believe that those who think lowly of Jones will be surprised by his improvement
I suggest you watch some other teams in the NFL besides the Giants. Right now, Jones is one of the worst starting QBs in the NFL.
Sick of all the little dudes we put out there at WR. And at TE, Engram might as well be a wide receiver, although I don't want him on this team at all anymore.
there are not too many people that would take Jones over Burrow, and most of them post on this message board.
what makes you think Bill wants Jones?
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Cam Newton looks non-competitive. Belichick might prefer Trading a second rounder for Jones to drafting a guy.
what makes you think Bill wants Jones?
I don't know that he would, but I'd ask. We aren't going to be competing for anything real during the remainder of Jones's rookie deal, and he isn't likely to be worth a second contract. This is the kind of sunk cost resource allocation exercise that Gettleman repeatedly fails.
Regarding Jones, I still feel he isn’t worth a 2nd contract. But, I do think his running ability plus Barkley should present a challenge to opposing defenses if utilized correctly. I just don’t see Garrett being able to do that.
Regarding Jones, I still feel he isn’t worth a 2nd contract. But, I do think his running ability plus Barkley should present a challenge to opposing defenses if utilized correctly. I just don’t see Garrett being able to do that.
Yeah, Judge only.
Herbert is having a phenomenal game today..
I think most objective observers now would admit that the Giants should have waited on QB until the 2020 draft.