After having a couple days to digest this latest debacle, I've realized that (despite the new coaching staff, lack of talent, injuries, poor play, no preseason, etc,) the Giants have been in every single game this year (with the exception of SF). And moreover, it's a handful of plays that have done them in.
If this team can clean up to 2 or 3 killer turnovers, penalties, etc, maybe this team is capable of doing at least something to make the rest of the season somewhat relevant.
Sorry for the optimism. Carry on.
This is my point. We are a bunch of young players (avg ag 24) and we need to learn how to win. Its definitely a mindset and comes with experience
Agreed. And that will mean someone, somewhere will have to step up and make a play with the game on the line.
Who is that person. Is he even on the roster? Barkley? Gano? Anyone else?
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but this team needs to win some of these games and they, together, need to learn how to win.
This is my point. We are a bunch of young players (avg ag 24) and we need to learn how to win. Its definitely a mindset and comes with experience
I 100% agree. The past few years there were so many poor things that I was just hoping for better draft picks. This year you can see the difference. They absolutely need to learn how to overcome adversity. That will do this team way more good imo than moving up a couple of positions in the draft.
If they can play with the energy they've shown so far and clean up some of the "beginner errors" they should be able to go out strong.
A good finish of course is absolutely required to set up a decent 2021 season.
That wouldn't have changed the disappointment at a 1-5 record, or the disappointment in blowing the lead they blew to the Eagles in the last 5 minutes, or not being able to go down field and win against DAL and LAR but I do agree with the premise of the thread. Things are not as bad as they seem and this isn't a team that's gotten a lot of lucky breaks go their way. The DB depth chart blew up in the preseason, they lost their irreplaceable super star, and each week they've had starters banged up and missing like Shepard, Carter, Holmes, Crowder, etc.
I mean if the zebras keep some flags in their pockets in Dallas and Philly this is a different season. That's an alternate reality, the reality is the 1-5 season, but even if plays were offset by flags the 2 tds they didn't get credit for are on tape as is BJ Hill's sack. They happened even if they didn't count. Same as Daniel Jones made a game winning throw to Engram even if it's statistically just an incompletion in the box score.
Without SB too. Every team has injuries but not every team loses their best player, and bad teams generally have less depth to offset a loss like that than good teams.
We stink right now, and losing close games doesn't make us any better.
geez we suck
Multiple coaches, most first and second round picks busting or floundering, losing a staggering number of games in the last minutes of a game...and the ball just hasn't bounced our way very often in the last nine years. The Eagles frustration being a prime example. Football is like no other sport, truly a game of inches. We very well could be 4 wins at this point...but a play here, a play there, a yellow flag appearing or not appearing, a miracle play by the other team, all add up to heart-breaking losses.
I do believe we hit rock bottom last year. If you reflect on your feeling of last year, vs this year (try to disregard the peripheral crap of 2020), you have to feel better about this team and coaching.
Stating the obvious; little practice, no preseason, new coaching staff, 50% or so turnover in players...did we really expect a playoff run? But we DO look better than last year and previous years. There are more bright spots, players are still playing hard after many losses (Dallas is in a mutiny already...lol), coaching looks more creative and intense with details. Don't get me wrong, we are what our record says, we still have a lot of improvements to make. But I do feel better days are ahead of us. It's tough getting through games like Philly and its aftermath. We will eek out a few games this year, but I do feel with a solid draft, a season of the o-line meshing, DJ learning, and maybe, just maybe, some of the karma wearing off, we can start turning the tide.
agree with this
A good pass rush hides a lot of back end deficiencies.
We desperately need pass rushers.
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They are going to have to figure out how to hold leads and make stops when needed. You can’t allow conversions when you force 2nd and 26 and expect to win.
A good pass rush hides a lot of back end deficiencies.
We desperately need pass rushers.
yeah, the rush 3, bend don't break D is not working at end of games.
Philadelphia blitzed 9 times in 39 pass plays, it had consistent pressure anyway. They need to upgrade that line
But despite the above, did you see the 98 yard drive, a most improbable drive , to take an 11pt lead! Followed by a final drive that should have won the game, except for a playmaker failing to make a play.
Jones stepped up big time, just not enough talent on this team to result in a win.
Of course, as has been the case for years, with game on line, the Giants defense is defenseless.
Two touchdowns in 6 minutes, come on!
IMO, I believe things are actually worse.
A lot worse. Why?
(1) We spent a ton of Draft capital on our secondary, and it sucks;
(2) We spent a ton of Draft capital on our offensive line, and it sucks;
(3) We have no, zero, zilch legitimate pass rushers; and forget about a two-way lineman than can stone the run and pressure the QB;
(4) We have no legitimate 2-way TE that any NFL team has to give a second thought to;
(5) Our WR group is very thin with no true #1 receiver, and it says everything you need to know about this team that this unit is as good if not better than our secondary; edge pass rush; offensive line and TE.
This is an example of why they desperately need to add another pass rusher and a CB opposite Bradberry. There is no pass rusher on the roster that scares opposing offenses. Also Ryan Lewis has given up two deep passes late in the 4th quarter to the Cowboys and Eagles that have cost the Giants both wins.
You can usually see good teams coming. I remember the Seahawks pre-Legion of Boom. They lost games, but you knew you played a football game afterwards. That's what I'm seeing with the Giants now. They have a young, physical core that is going to keep hammering for 60 minutes.
Now they need to learn how to win. Confidence breeds success, and as they start to figure it out, and add pieces, it will snowball for this group. I believe that.
Jax -56
WSH -54
Giants -52
No one else in the league is minus 50. Things are bad folks and the people who put us in this situation need to be relieved of duty.
We are "competitive" until the other team decides to play and then we are not and they blow through us like shit through a goose. We've been playing beat up teams starting scrub qb's, or scrub o-lines or scrub rb's and sometimes all three - and losing. Our one win came against WFT starting a replacement level qb and a wide receiver turned running back with one good receiver on the whole team and they could have had OT if they wanted to. This is not good.
So don't get fooled by "competitive" games. Against decent teams we are a fly that gets swatted away in the 4th quarter. Against bad teams, you can cue the Benny Hill music. Until this team gets some talent on the field, Joe Judge is this era's Bill Arnsparger and Daniel Jones is our new Craig Morton.
The Jets and Falcons last year were 6-2 in their last games. How did that help them?
I don't think some understand how bad Dallas, Washington and Philly are. All 3 of these teams offenses are awful-- their OLINES terrible. Yet did the Giants dominate?
IMO the losing has gotten some on here to accept awful play and as a result desperately seek for any positives. What is it that the Giants are very good at?
That wouldn't have changed the disappointment at a 1-5 record, or the disappointment in blowing the lead they blew to the Eagles in the last 5 minutes, or not being able to go down field and win against DAL and LAR but I do agree with the premise of the thread. Things are not as bad as they seem and this isn't a team that's gotten a lot of lucky breaks go their way. The DB depth chart blew up in the preseason, they lost their irreplaceable super star, and each week they've had starters banged up and missing like Shepard, Carter, Holmes, Crowder, etc.
I mean if the zebras keep some flags in their pockets in Dallas and Philly this is a different season. That's an alternate reality, the reality is the 1-5 season, but even if plays were offset by flags the 2 tds they didn't get credit for are on tape as is BJ Hill's sack. They happened even if they didn't count. Same as Daniel Jones made a game winning throw to Engram even if it's statistically just an incompletion in the box score.
You are making this up. IMO your commentaty is incredibly over-the-top.
What you fail to mention is that the 5 games they either own or were close-
1--- The Bears played us with Trubisky Who is their number 1 QB now? What you don't understand is that Trubisky got benched one game after the Giants. He didn't even make it for the whole game after getting benched. Nor did the Bears have Ginn or Graham. SO all this doesn't count?
2-- With all the injuries Dallas and Philly have had - you're seriously using the injury excuse here? YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING!!!!
3-- You want to give credit for playing Washington close? Really? Led by the immortal QB named Kyle Allen?
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Anyone fair - not being a cheerleader that would look at this objectively imo would say give credit for the Rams game but blast them for the San Fran Game. And the Pitt game was not in doubt and as a 1st game - just an overall pass.
But giving them credit "for staying close" to the other 4 is pretty pathetic.
Bears, Philly, Dallas and WFT. Also have "excuses."
those two injuries don't mean 3 more wins.
Anyone who can't see it is just a dimwit. They should be 0-7. Losers find ways to lose games.
Enjoy yourself in thinking these all star players such as Engram, Peppers, Leonard Williams and Daniel Jones are going to get you anywhere.