Totally with you on Peppers and his football sense. I actually thought our most consistent safety play was when Colbert started in place of Peppers against Dallas.
I think Peppers will be most effective when he has a clearly defined, carved out role. Asking him to command the back end of a defense is too much. Ideally we would be healthy and deep enough to allow Peppers to play more around the LOS, where he is pretty effective. We also know he is good with the ball in his hand (those fair catches were brutal bc he had room). Why not try to work him in on offense at all?
Re: Engram -- while i agree he is big and fast, i don't see the "athleticism" per se. I think he might have a tic where he needs to have both feet off the ground/jump to catch the ball, which may very well be contributing to the drops. He's god awful running the ball (please eliminate that sweep/pop-pass from the playbook) and is only good after the catch when he has room to use straight line speed -- i can't remember the last guy he made miss or ran over.
Maybe it's a mental thing, but I'm with you Sy -- if you can't catch the ball, you can't stay on the field.
A few other comments:
-Really enjoying Gates's progress this year. Also love the attitude he brings that hopefully will become the whole OL's identity
-Thomas's struggles are real. I would not want to bench the 4th overall pick, but i think we have to consider it given Thomas's performance is sometimes single-handedly derailing the offense. Have to hope this 10-day "mini-bye" gives him a chance to get his head right and turn things around
-DL was getting blown off the LOS too often in this game. Not what you want when Devante Downs is one of your starting LBs. Tae Crowder can't get healthy soon enough.
This DL with Martinez and Fackrell and others should be tough to run against. They aren’t. Kills me the one really solid unit we have is failing at what they should be best at.
RE: I just don’t get why they aren’t better against the run
This DL with Martinez and Fackrell and others should be tough to run against. They aren’t. Kills me the one really solid unit we have is failing at what they should be best at.
They generally are good against the run. What ever the Eagles did or whatever defense Graham put the Giants in (as Sy mentioned) made them less effective. I also think they did not tackle exceptionally well. Quite a few missed at the point of contact and in the backfield.
RE: I just don’t get why they aren’t better against the run
This DL with Martinez and Fackrell and others should be tough to run against. They aren’t. Kills me the one really solid unit we have is failing at what they should be best at.
I believe the run defense breaks down because of time of possession. We can't get off the field on third down because we can't rush the passer. Then the defense just gets blown. This defense -- regardless of the stats -- is highly flawed, with no real bona fide pass rusher on the roster.
RE: I just don’t get why they aren’t better against the run
This DL with Martinez and Fackrell and others should be tough to run against. They aren’t. Kills me the one really solid unit we have is failing at what they should be best at.
I have had this observation as well. We're pretty good against the run, but hardly dominating considering how much we've invested into the position. Through blue tinted glasses you'll find positive things to say about Lawrence, Williams, and Tomlinson's (production and/or potential), but I haven't seen enough to break the bank to keep the band together.
Somewhat concerning that Thomas appears on the duds list a lot...
I'd say borderline alarming. Right now he's 2019 Nate Solder bad. If he can recover from getting beat on inside moves, well...
Should have drafted Wiills or Becton. Can't blow that pick with as many Tackles that were in that draft.
There is a 12 season difference between Solder an Thomas. Yes it is alarming, cannot deny that. But 21 years old. Stellar in college. Cannot guarantee he will break out of it, but I'm not giving up, yet.
Big question for me. I sure Columbo and his coaches are working overtime on Thomas technique but I see no improvement. Since the first game he is making the same technique errors. His lack of a strong hand punch is just alarming to me. His setup is awful.
I went back and re-read Frank Coyle’s write up on Thomas and did not see these basic technique flaws mentioned. Don’t know what to say happened to this kid. Maybe just the speed of the NFL game.
It's interesting to see how different certain takes can be
Like with Peppers, Sy thinks he played a poor game, and Sonic Youth started a thread criticizing him too.
But lots of posters said he played a great game, giving up the TD wasn't his fault, etc.
I am guessing that lots of fans saw that Peppers got a sack and then assumed he had a good game without looking at much else. For example not turning his head in his coverage of Scott.
RE: It's interesting to see how different certain takes can be
Like with Peppers, Sy thinks he played a poor game, and Sonic Youth started a thread criticizing him too.
But lots of posters said he played a great game, giving up the TD wasn't his fault, etc.
I am guessing that lots of fans saw that Peppers got a sack and then assumed he had a good game without looking at much else. For example not turning his head in his coverage of Scott.
Peppers was making plays and in the QBs face a lot. I thought he played well until the final play. Yes, he absolutely screwed up the Boston TD catch. All the DBs, including Bradberry were a little weak. Ryan Lewis was the worst with Harper right behind. Peppers' sin was giving up the last big play which was glaring and fatal.
pass to EE that bounced off his hands (whoa! bounced off EE's hands, is that possible?) resulting in the pick that Jones fired it hard and--early--misplaced because, Sy' analyzes, he anticipated pressure that wasn't that imminent, i.e., it was in his head. Goodness, Jones has faced nothing but pressure in his face since he got here, and it doesn't get better. Many here say he doesn't react to pressure soon enough and holds the ball too long, but now getting rid of it a hair too early is wrong. He is pavlovian accustomed by now to be in duress, fast, snap after snap.
QBs thrive on rhythm and predicability, rhythm, getting feet set, releasing in rhythm, to a receiver--maybe??--with separation. How many times does it play out that way?
And, EE, the irony here is that Sy' loved, loved, Claypool in this draft, we could have had him (2nd), the Giants could. A stellar call and assessment. And Sy's NFL comp for Claypool was none other than EE. The results couldn't be more different.
I sure Columbo and his coaches are working overtime on Thomas technique but I see no improvement.
Who knows if Columbo is actually as good as people here think he is? He was only the assistant OL coach when the Cowboys OL was built. He inherited a high performing unit.
Coaches have a tendency to get all the credit for their unit's success
Its easy for a position coach to look good when he's coaching a unit full of first and second round talent. Those cowboys linemen were good right out of the gate. You can definitely debate how much they needed to be "coached up".
Like with Peppers, Sy thinks he played a poor game, and Sonic Youth started a thread criticizing him too.
But lots of posters said he played a great game, giving up the TD wasn't his fault, etc.
I am guessing that lots of fans saw that Peppers got a sack and then assumed he had a good game without looking at much else. For example not turning his head in his coverage of Scott.
A big factor of this is that fans who only watch the TV don't actually have any idea of how well defensive backs play.
All-22 camera angle shows the whole field and makes it a lot easier to see the whole game play out. The broadcast angle doesn't show you anything.
claim to know as much about football as Sy....But I've been watching the game for 45 years and have never- and I mean NEVER- seen a QB get blamed for a pick because he "threw the ball too hard."
claim to know as much about football as Sy....But I've been watching the game for 45 years and have never- and I mean NEVER- seen a QB get blamed for a pick because he "threw the ball too hard."
I've watched football almost as long as you and it is certainly a "thing" to throw the football too hard on certain routes/types of throws.
Thank you, said the same exact thing. Engram was wide open. Only thing he shouldn't do is over throw it. Engram has beaten the defender so badly that if the ball is underthrown the DB will run through Engram for PI.
claim to know as much about football as Sy....But I've been watching the game for 45 years and have never- and I mean NEVER- seen a QB get blamed for a pick because he "threw the ball too hard."
I've watched football almost as long as you and it is certainly a "thing" to throw the football too hard on certain routes/types of throws.
Agree Eric. I can play the position and have thrown the ball too hard many times
October 25th, Nick Gates would be praised as our best olineman.
The Peppers criticism on the game winner to Scott is overblown. How about giving credit to Wentz for a sublime pass in the clutch to a tough, undersized back...
Really good analysis of so many components of the Giants' ability to make it close and then consistently find different ways to lose involving many different players on both offense and defense (and even special teams).
D.J. is trying to do too much, leading to some of his mistakes IMO.
Andrew Thomas is a VERY intelligent 21 year old OT, which is one of the reasons he was the pick with the 4th overall choice. That intelligence may be working against him with the media blitz attacking him as a poor draft choice. Maybe paralysis by analysis? Too soon to be so negative about him.
We need to send the mistake-prone in pressure situations and otherwise flawed players down the road now or soon: no doubt Coach Judge has his list already made out on this.
Who gets traded (and who we try to trade with no takers) will be very telling about the coaches and GM evaluation. I hope they read Sy's article, but I bet they don't need to in order to come to the same conclusions.
claim to know as much about football as Sy....But I've been watching the game for 45 years and have never- and I mean NEVER- seen a QB get blamed for a pick because he "threw the ball too hard."
I spoke with a former NFL QB about that particular play. It was the first thing that came out of his mouth.
seem to be coming back to reality. The group is overrated on BBI and should be consistently winning at point of attack, and they don't. Even against weaker, injured competition.
Sounds great to want to keep some of your better players, but poor roster management to fill up defensive-roster with overpriced, overvalued DTs that don't have pass rush skills.
And if you think they do, where were they in the last 5 minutes of that game?
Way too early for the vitriol towards Thomas by some here.
s for Engram, I think we've seen enough o realize he'll be just a tease. That ball has to be caught. And then the narrative is about Daniel Jones having his coming out party beating Philly on the road.
claim to know as much about football as Sy....But I've been watching the game for 45 years and have never- and I mean NEVER- seen a QB get blamed for a pick because he "threw the ball too hard."
I spoke with a former NFL QB about that particular play. It was the first thing that came out of his mouth.
Boomer Esiason was saying similar on WFAN - he put it on DJ.
claim to know as much about football as Sy....But I've been watching the game for 45 years and have never- and I mean NEVER- seen a QB get blamed for a pick because he "threw the ball too hard."
I spoke with a former NFL QB about that particular play. It was the first thing that came out of his mouth.
Boomer Esiason was saying similar on WFAN - he put it on DJ.
I haven't been watching football for 45 years, but I can use common sense to tell me that you can throw a ball too hard over a short distance. DJ put too much juice on it. Just watch the tape. Anyone who can't see that, I'd be worried about other assessments they might make about players and coaches.
That pick was on both of them. DJ got fooled and pulled the trigger too fast, and Engram needs to catch that. Now if that defense was what DJ thought it was, the ball drops to the ground at worst. When you fire balls and the other teams drops 7 lots of bodies to clean up.
What is concerning about that play is that it highlights DJs weakness of trusting his pre snap reads too much. On the other hand I’m thinking this team is such trash that he needs to be practically perfect to put up a good stat line. How many negative plays did he have? It’s seems like the few he has results in turnovers because this team just sucks.
to be clear, I was referring to the 4th quarter play
The norm. Very rarely do you get to catch a perfectly thrown softball. The ball is either getting zipped in, is slightly off target and/or the defender is draped all over you committing PI. Usually a combination of all 3.
Josh Allen's receivers in BUF have to catch his lasers all day. You HAVE TO catch anything that hits you in the hands. Engram is not an NFL receiver until he can make the tough catch and up to this point in his career, he can't. They do not even bother throwing him fades because he is so bad on the 50/50 stuff.
RE: Ridiculously tough catches are routine in the NFL.
The norm. Very rarely do you get to catch a perfectly thrown softball. The ball is either getting zipped in, is slightly off target and/or the defender is draped all over you committing PI. Usually a combination of all 3.
Josh Allen's receivers in BUF have to catch his lasers all day. You HAVE TO catch anything that hits you in the hands. Engram is not an NFL receiver until he can make the tough catch and up to this point in his career, he can't. They do not even bother throwing him fades because he is so bad on the 50/50 stuff.
Makes you wonder how John Elway ever survived in this league. Or Bert Jones, Terry Bradshaw. And No Spider Man gloves for the WRs back then
This one is up there with the Westbrook and Jackson punt returns and whatever other Eagles disasters there have been.
I think Peppers will be most effective when he has a clearly defined, carved out role. Asking him to command the back end of a defense is too much. Ideally we would be healthy and deep enough to allow Peppers to play more around the LOS, where he is pretty effective. We also know he is good with the ball in his hand (those fair catches were brutal bc he had room). Why not try to work him in on offense at all?
Re: Engram -- while i agree he is big and fast, i don't see the "athleticism" per se. I think he might have a tic where he needs to have both feet off the ground/jump to catch the ball, which may very well be contributing to the drops. He's god awful running the ball (please eliminate that sweep/pop-pass from the playbook) and is only good after the catch when he has room to use straight line speed -- i can't remember the last guy he made miss or ran over.
Maybe it's a mental thing, but I'm with you Sy -- if you can't catch the ball, you can't stay on the field.
A few other comments:
-Really enjoying Gates's progress this year. Also love the attitude he brings that hopefully will become the whole OL's identity
-Thomas's struggles are real. I would not want to bench the 4th overall pick, but i think we have to consider it given Thomas's performance is sometimes single-handedly derailing the offense. Have to hope this 10-day "mini-bye" gives him a chance to get his head right and turn things around
-DL was getting blown off the LOS too often in this game. Not what you want when Devante Downs is one of your starting LBs. Tae Crowder can't get healthy soon enough.
Yes, Ryan Lewis has cost them two wins, speaking of football IQ or lack thereof.
As Sy pointed out, Hill's sack was wiped out by a penalty.
But you are correct, Lawrence also had a sack. I added that.
They generally are good against the run. What ever the Eagles did or whatever defense Graham put the Giants in (as Sy mentioned) made them less effective. I also think they did not tackle exceptionally well. Quite a few missed at the point of contact and in the backfield.
I believe the run defense breaks down because of time of possession. We can't get off the field on third down because we can't rush the passer. Then the defense just gets blown. This defense -- regardless of the stats -- is highly flawed, with no real bona fide pass rusher on the roster.
I have had this observation as well. We're pretty good against the run, but hardly dominating considering how much we've invested into the position. Through blue tinted glasses you'll find positive things to say about Lawrence, Williams, and Tomlinson's (production and/or potential), but I haven't seen enough to break the bank to keep the band together.
I'd say borderline alarming. Right now he's 2019 Nate Solder bad. If he can recover from getting beat on inside moves, well...
Should have drafted Wiills or Becton. Can't blow that pick with as many Tackles that were in that draft.
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Somewhat concerning that Thomas appears on the duds list a lot...
I'd say borderline alarming. Right now he's 2019 Nate Solder bad. If he can recover from getting beat on inside moves, well...
Should have drafted Wiills or Becton. Can't blow that pick with as many Tackles that were in that draft.
There is a 12 season difference between Solder an Thomas. Yes it is alarming, cannot deny that. But 21 years old. Stellar in college. Cannot guarantee he will break out of it, but I'm not giving up, yet.
Not on my end.
I went back and re-read Frank Coyle’s write up on Thomas and did not see these basic technique flaws mentioned. Don’t know what to say happened to this kid. Maybe just the speed of the NFL game.
But lots of posters said he played a great game, giving up the TD wasn't his fault, etc.
I am guessing that lots of fans saw that Peppers got a sack and then assumed he had a good game without looking at much else. For example not turning his head in his coverage of Scott.
But lots of posters said he played a great game, giving up the TD wasn't his fault, etc.
I am guessing that lots of fans saw that Peppers got a sack and then assumed he had a good game without looking at much else. For example not turning his head in his coverage of Scott.
Peppers was making plays and in the QBs face a lot. I thought he played well until the final play. Yes, he absolutely screwed up the Boston TD catch. All the DBs, including Bradberry were a little weak. Ryan Lewis was the worst with Harper right behind. Peppers' sin was giving up the last big play which was glaring and fatal.
QBs thrive on rhythm and predicability, rhythm, getting feet set, releasing in rhythm, to a receiver--maybe??--with separation. How many times does it play out that way?
And, EE, the irony here is that Sy' loved, loved, Claypool in this draft, we could have had him (2nd), the Giants could. A stellar call and assessment. And Sy's NFL comp for Claypool was none other than EE. The results couldn't be more different.
Who knows if Columbo is actually as good as people here think he is? He was only the assistant OL coach when the Cowboys OL was built. He inherited a high performing unit.
Not saying Columbo should be questioned yet.
He is frustrating as hell but he is a weapon, on a team that has few. We already see what slow with hands produce - it is called Tate
But lots of posters said he played a great game, giving up the TD wasn't his fault, etc.
I am guessing that lots of fans saw that Peppers got a sack and then assumed he had a good game without looking at much else. For example not turning his head in his coverage of Scott.
A big factor of this is that fans who only watch the TV don't actually have any idea of how well defensive backs play.
All-22 camera angle shows the whole field and makes it a lot easier to see the whole game play out. The broadcast angle doesn't show you anything.
That day when you read that Nick Gates is your favorite team’s best offensive lineman is a rough one.
I've watched football almost as long as you and it is certainly a "thing" to throw the football too hard on certain routes/types of throws.
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claim to know as much about football as Sy....But I've been watching the game for 45 years and have never- and I mean NEVER- seen a QB get blamed for a pick because he "threw the ball too hard."
I've watched football almost as long as you and it is certainly a "thing" to throw the football too hard on certain routes/types of throws.
The Peppers criticism on the game winner to Scott is overblown. How about giving credit to Wentz for a sublime pass in the clutch to a tough, undersized back...
D.J. is trying to do too much, leading to some of his mistakes IMO.
Andrew Thomas is a VERY intelligent 21 year old OT, which is one of the reasons he was the pick with the 4th overall choice. That intelligence may be working against him with the media blitz attacking him as a poor draft choice. Maybe paralysis by analysis? Too soon to be so negative about him.
We need to send the mistake-prone in pressure situations and otherwise flawed players down the road now or soon: no doubt Coach Judge has his list already made out on this.
Who gets traded (and who we try to trade with no takers) will be very telling about the coaches and GM evaluation. I hope they read Sy's article, but I bet they don't need to in order to come to the same conclusions.
I spoke with a former NFL QB about that particular play. It was the first thing that came out of his mouth.
Sounds great to want to keep some of your better players, but poor roster management to fill up defensive-roster with overpriced, overvalued DTs that don't have pass rush skills.
And if you think they do, where were they in the last 5 minutes of that game?
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claim to know as much about football as Sy....But I've been watching the game for 45 years and have never- and I mean NEVER- seen a QB get blamed for a pick because he "threw the ball too hard."
I spoke with a former NFL QB about that particular play. It was the first thing that came out of his mouth.
Boomer Esiason was saying similar on WFAN - he put it on DJ.
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claim to know as much about football as Sy....But I've been watching the game for 45 years and have never- and I mean NEVER- seen a QB get blamed for a pick because he "threw the ball too hard."
I spoke with a former NFL QB about that particular play. It was the first thing that came out of his mouth.
Boomer Esiason was saying similar on WFAN - he put it on DJ.
I haven't been watching football for 45 years, but I can use common sense to tell me that you can throw a ball too hard over a short distance. DJ put too much juice on it. Just watch the tape. Anyone who can't see that, I'd be worried about other assessments they might make about players and coaches.
What is concerning about that play is that it highlights DJs weakness of trusting his pre snap reads too much. On the other hand I’m thinking this team is such trash that he needs to be practically perfect to put up a good stat line. How many negative plays did he have? It’s seems like the few he has results in turnovers because this team just sucks.
Josh Allen's receivers in BUF have to catch his lasers all day. You HAVE TO catch anything that hits you in the hands. Engram is not an NFL receiver until he can make the tough catch and up to this point in his career, he can't. They do not even bother throwing him fades because he is so bad on the 50/50 stuff.
Josh Allen's receivers in BUF have to catch his lasers all day. You HAVE TO catch anything that hits you in the hands. Engram is not an NFL receiver until he can make the tough catch and up to this point in his career, he can't. They do not even bother throwing him fades because he is so bad on the 50/50 stuff.
Makes you wonder how John Elway ever survived in this league. Or Bert Jones, Terry Bradshaw. And No Spider Man gloves for the WRs back then