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Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/25/2020 12:24 pm
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I'll be watching and rooting for the Jets  
Anakim : 10/25/2020 12:28 pm : link
If they think they can outsuck us...
RE: I'll be watching and rooting for the Jets  
Danny Kanell : 10/25/2020 12:36 pm : link
In comment 15023868 Anakim said:
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If they think they can outsuck us...


I took the Bills in my survivor pool so not today. Go Bills. I’ll root for the Jets another day.
Hoping Mims  
beatrixkiddo : 10/25/2020 1:01 pm : link
goes off, desperate fantasy flex play for me this week with no A Jones, No Sanders, Taylor on Bye and other players on Bye.lets go!
Pittsburgh v Tenn  
Pete in MD : 10/25/2020 1:02 pm : link
should be a good one.
Cowboys missing 4 starters on OL ...  
Jim from Katonah : 10/25/2020 1:03 pm : link
... and RT is an undrafted rookie third stringer. Curious to see how Chase Young performs.
Jets putting together a nice opening drive  
Anakim : 10/25/2020 1:06 pm : link
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So  
Harvest Blend : 10/25/2020 1:06 pm : link
let's go Football Team, Falcons, Texans and Jets.
Not for nothing  
Anakim : 10/25/2020 1:07 pm : link
But Becton looks fantastic on this opening drive
Mekhi Beaton just mailing people.  
barens : 10/25/2020 1:07 pm : link
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Mauling  
barens : 10/25/2020 1:07 pm : link
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RE: Not for nothing  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/25/2020 1:08 pm : link
In comment 15023905 Anakim said:
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But Becton looks fantastic on this opening drive


& we got Andrew Thomas so...(shrugs).
And as I say that  
Anakim : 10/25/2020 1:08 pm : link
Becton is beat with an inside twist
Except for that sack,  
barens : 10/25/2020 1:08 pm : link
Finally!
RE: So  
Harvest Blend : 10/25/2020 1:09 pm : link
In comment 15023904 Harvest Blend said:
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let's go Football Team, Falcons, Texans and Jets.


And Bengals.
I guess we put the jinx on Becton  
Anakim : 10/25/2020 1:10 pm : link
He's gotten beaten the last couple of plays.


Jets up 3-0
Washington is up  
Anakim : 10/25/2020 1:11 pm : link
TD
Rodgers to Adams - TD  
Anakim : 10/25/2020 1:12 pm : link
Packers up
Earlier on Fox NFL Kickoff  
Pete in MD : 10/25/2020 1:15 pm : link
was the first time I heard the media criticize the Cowboys' roster. Dave Wannstedt and Colin Cowherd agreed they have been fooling themselves about being a contender.
Oh, that Football Team  
jeff57 : 10/25/2020 1:15 pm : link
😆
RE: I guess we put the jinx on Becton  
barens : 10/25/2020 1:15 pm : link
In comment 15023912 Anakim said:
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He's gotten beaten the last couple of plays.


Jets up 3-0


I just saw the one, he recovered nicely from it. But it is amazing, he just puts guys on the ground.

The Jets got Darnold, Benton and Denzel Mims and Perriman back
Mayfield with an INT  
jeff57 : 10/25/2020 1:17 pm : link
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Wow Ben looked great on that drive.  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/25/2020 1:18 pm : link
Although the TD throw wasn’t as great as looked, he fired it in there making it a tough play in db


This has all the makings of a classic already
Steelers Titans  
St. Jimmy : 10/25/2020 1:19 pm : link
is going to get real nasty. Lots of jawing and extra curricular stuff already.
Bless Austin should've picked Josh Allen off there  
Anakim : 10/25/2020 1:20 pm : link
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RE: Earlier on Fox NFL Kickoff  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/25/2020 1:21 pm : link
In comment 15023916 Pete in MD said:
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was the first time I heard the media criticize the Cowboys' roster. Dave Wannstedt and Colin Cowherd agreed they have been fooling themselves about being a contender.


Where was this before the season. The biggest issue for them is the awful coaching staff, oline injuries, and DLaw looking completely disinterested. His contract is going to make Solders look like a bargain.
Safety for the Team  
jeff57 : 10/25/2020 1:21 pm : link
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The NFC East has been a dumpster fire for the last couple of years  
Anakim : 10/25/2020 1:27 pm : link
But particularly this year. And we may be the worst team in the division. That's the real depressing part.
That roughing the passer  
cjac : 10/25/2020 1:28 pm : link
On Stafford was some BULL SHIT

how else are you suppose to tackle a guy?
RE: That roughing the passer  
beatrixkiddo : 10/25/2020 1:30 pm : link
In comment 15023932 cjac said:
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On Stafford was some BULL SHIT

how else are you suppose to tackle a guy?


Yeah terrible call, the DB is like half the size of Stafford too. textbook tackle, ridiculous.
RE: That roughing the passer  
Mike in NY : 10/25/2020 1:30 pm : link
In comment 15023932 cjac said:
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On Stafford was some BULL SHIT

how else are you suppose to tackle a guy?


I don't mind as it got me a Swift TD. Had lost a Conner TD earlier due to penalty.
Mike Nolan....  
bw in dc : 10/25/2020 1:31 pm : link
is a disaster.
Really nice throw by Darnold there on 3rd and 20  
Anakim : 10/25/2020 1:32 pm : link
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What a throw  
joeinpa : 10/25/2020 1:33 pm : link
By Darnold
Yeah Sam Darnold  
cjac : 10/25/2020 1:33 pm : link
Let’s string together some wins Jets....
Watching the Jets and Becton  
Samiam : 10/25/2020 1:34 pm : link
I think that the reason that the Giants took Andrew Thomas so early was that he was the most NFL ready OT of the 4 OTs and Becton was the least. Watching Becton today, he is playing far better than Thomas is playing which is not saying much. But, Thomas does not look NFL ready in the least and Becton, aside from being the size of a mountain, looks like he belongs.

And Gettleman is supposed to be an OL guru type,
Charles Davis and whoever he’s paired with are fucking awful  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/25/2020 1:38 pm : link
This is the number 2 cbs team?
4th and 1 and you call a shotgun draw?  
Anakim : 10/25/2020 1:38 pm : link
Uhhh, why?
RE: Mayfield with an INT  
EricJ : 10/25/2020 1:39 pm : link
In comment 15023919 jeff57 said:
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yeah and OBJ left the field with an injury while making the tackle on that play. My fantasy team is going to get smoked again this weekend
RE: 4th and 1 and you call a shotgun draw?  
trueblueinpw : 10/25/2020 1:39 pm : link
In comment 15023942 Anakim said:
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Uhhh, why?


Jets
Another ball that should've been picked off  
Anakim : 10/25/2020 1:41 pm : link
Desir should've had that
Watching Steelers maul Titans  
Rick in Dallas : 10/25/2020 1:42 pm : link
14-0. Titans have run just 3 plays. Their defense cannot stop 3rd down plays. Sounds familiar
RE: Watching Steelers maul Titans  
section125 : 10/25/2020 1:44 pm : link
In comment 15023953 Rick in Dallas said:
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14-0. Titans have run just 3 plays. Their defense cannot stop 3rd down plays. Sounds familiar


Yep. Steelers look impressive and the receivers catch the ball.
RE: RE: Watching Steelers maul Titans  
Producer : 10/25/2020 1:45 pm : link
In comment 15023955 section125 said:
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14-0. Titans have run just 3 plays. Their defense cannot stop 3rd down plays. Sounds familiar



Yep. Steelers look impressive and the receivers catch the ball.


Steelers might be aSB favorite, along with Chiefs.
RE: Watching Steelers maul Titans  
Harvest Blend : 10/25/2020 1:45 pm : link
In comment 15023953 Rick in Dallas said:
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14-0. Titans have run just 3 plays. Their defense cannot stop 3rd down plays. Sounds familiar


In fairness to Tenn there's nothing familiar about them and the Giants other than them both being in the NFL. :)
Anyone see Allen just shrug off those 2 sacks?  
j_rud : 10/25/2020 1:49 pm : link
Yikes, dude is strong.
RE: Anyone see Allen just shrug off those 2 sacks?  
Anakim : 10/25/2020 1:50 pm : link
In comment 15023959 j_rud said:
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Yikes, dude is strong.


Yep. He has Big Ben's presence in the pocket. So hard to bring him down
Titans are going to score a defensive td in this game.  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/25/2020 1:50 pm : link
Steelers are playing with fire.

Josh Allen is an oak tree
And Allen fumbles on the sack  
Anakim : 10/25/2020 1:50 pm : link
Jets recover in the RZ
OBJ out for the game  
jvm52106 : 10/25/2020 1:50 pm : link
with a knee injury.
RE: RE: Anyone see Allen just shrug off those 2 sacks?  
j_rud : 10/25/2020 1:52 pm : link
In comment 15023960 Anakim said:
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Yikes, dude is strong.



Yep. He has Big Ben's presence in the pocket. So hard to bring him down

Yeah for sure. Even knowing he can do that it was still a eye opening display.

And then he loses the handle...
Charles Davis is literally retarded  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/25/2020 1:52 pm : link
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Gregg Williams chin diaper?  
trueblueinpw : 10/25/2020 1:53 pm : link
Is it really that difficult to wear a mask the right way?
Ron rivera and 2pt conversions  
Scooter185 : 10/25/2020 1:58 pm : link
Name a dumber couple
Jeez what is wrong with our scouts???  
Beef Wellington : 10/25/2020 1:59 pm : link
Becton looks great. A real road grader. We picked a road cone.
TD Jets  
Anakim : 10/25/2020 2:00 pm : link
Perine with the run
The Team up 15-3  
jeff57 : 10/25/2020 2:00 pm : link
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Landon Collins out with a pretty serious ankle injury  
j_rud : 10/25/2020 2:01 pm : link
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RE: Jeez what is wrong with our scouts???  
jeff57 : 10/25/2020 2:01 pm : link
In comment 15023973 Beef Wellington said:
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Becton looks great. A real road grader. We picked a road cone.


Scouts?
How the hell haven’t the Steelers turned the ball over yet  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/25/2020 2:01 pm : link
This is nuts
I hate to agree  
Kanavis : 10/25/2020 2:02 pm : link
But Bechton does look dominant. We need to evaluate after a year or two though. Injuries were always the concern. I think most scouts thought he would be dominant if healthy.
Becton...  
Kanavis : 10/25/2020 2:02 pm : link
Can't phone type
Andy Dalton  
GoDeep13 : 10/25/2020 2:05 pm : link
Better have a good life insurance policy. Sheesh.
I guess you’re not allowed  
cjac : 10/25/2020 2:05 pm : link
To touch Matthew Stafford.
Looks like potential serious injuries  
Breeze_94 : 10/25/2020 2:06 pm : link
to 2 former Giants, Beckham and Collins
What happened to Collins?  
Britt in VA : 10/25/2020 2:10 pm : link
?
RE: Looks like potential serious injuries  
jvm52106 : 10/25/2020 2:14 pm : link
In comment 15023984 Breeze_94 said:
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to 2 former Giants, Beckham and Collins


OBJ's didn't look bad but he has been ruled out for the game.
Panthers playing  
jvm52106 : 10/25/2020 2:17 pm : link
well for Rhule. Saints headed for issues- Thomas potentially on trading block, Brees aging, lots of big cap #'s...
Skins up even more  
jvm52106 : 10/25/2020 2:18 pm : link
after Thomas TD reception.
Titans playing cheesey defense  
bc4life : 10/25/2020 2:18 pm : link
a combination of swiss and limburger
I mean I have to imagine that the Texans will pass on a QB  
Anakim : 10/25/2020 2:18 pm : link
With Watson's contract essentially impossible to trade, right?
Washington TE  
bluesince56 : 10/25/2020 2:19 pm : link
Thomas shows the value of a pass catching TE. Tough to tackle
RE: Washington TE  
Anakim : 10/25/2020 2:21 pm : link
In comment 15023993 bluesince56 said:
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Thomas shows the value of a pass catching TE. Tough to tackle


Giants had him for a while
RE: I mean I have to imagine that the Texans will pass on a QB  
UConn4523 : 10/25/2020 2:21 pm : link
In comment 15023992 Anakim said:
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With Watson's contract essentially impossible to trade, right?


They don’t have a good team, really not Watson’s fault. The defense is awful and without Hopkins they don’t have any playmakers on offense. Sucks for them in 2020 but a top 5 pick will get them a premier player or a haul in a trade back. The next GM + HC is walking into a great situation.
And there's the patented stupid INT by Darnold  
Anakim : 10/25/2020 2:21 pm : link
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Becton...  
trueblueinpw : 10/25/2020 2:22 pm : link
I guess l’ll add to the Mekhi Becton ball washing. The kid looks freakishly light on his feet. And gigantic!
Dallas  
AcidTest : 10/25/2020 2:23 pm : link
is awful. I know it's unlikely, but what if they ended up with the #1 pick and of course took Lawrence? The whole board would meltdown.
RE: RE: I mean I have to imagine that the Texans will pass on a QB  
Mike in NY : 10/25/2020 2:23 pm : link
In comment 15023995 UConn4523 said:
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With Watson's contract essentially impossible to trade, right?



They don’t have a good team, really not Watson’s fault. The defense is awful and without Hopkins they don’t have any playmakers on offense. Sucks for them in 2020 but a top 5 pick will get them a premier player or a haul in a trade back. The next GM + HC is walking into a great situation.


I thought Miami has their #1 this year as well from Tunsil trade
RE: Dallas  
Anakim : 10/25/2020 2:24 pm : link
In comment 15023999 AcidTest said:
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is awful. I know it's unlikely, but what if they ended up with the #1 pick and of course took Lawrence? The whole board would meltdown.


They're better than us, so we'll have the edge record-wise :)
RE: RE: RE: I mean I have to imagine that the Texans will pass on a QB  
Anakim : 10/25/2020 2:25 pm : link
In comment 15024000 Mike in NY said:
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With Watson's contract essentially impossible to trade, right?



They don’t have a good team, really not Watson’s fault. The defense is awful and without Hopkins they don’t have any playmakers on offense. Sucks for them in 2020 but a top 5 pick will get them a premier player or a haul in a trade back. The next GM + HC is walking into a great situation.



I thought Miami has their #1 this year as well from Tunsil trade


Oh shit, you're right. Good Lord, Bill O'Brien was an utter and complete disaster.
Burrow sacked from behind by Garrett  
chopperhatch : 10/25/2020 2:26 pm : link
And didnt fumble it. I like Jones but that is looking more and more like a massive problem we have with our QB.
10-6 Jets going into the half  
Anakim : 10/25/2020 2:26 pm : link
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Dallas taking Lawrence?  
bc4life : 10/25/2020 2:27 pm : link
Dak has been out two weeks and is still leading NFL in QB stats.
The Giants scouts need to be fired  
WillVAB : 10/25/2020 2:27 pm : link
Can’t scout OL for 10 years, then get the Thomas over Becton selection wrong.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I mean I have to imagine that the Texans will pass on a QB  
chopperhatch : 10/25/2020 2:28 pm : link
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With Watson's contract essentially impossible to trade, right?



They don’t have a good team, really not Watson’s fault. The defense is awful and without Hopkins they don’t have any playmakers on offense. Sucks for them in 2020 but a top 5 pick will get them a premier player or a haul in a trade back. The next GM + HC is walking into a great situation.



I thought Miami has their #1 this year as well from Tunsil trade



Oh shit, you're right. Good Lord, Bill O'Brien was an utter and complete disaster.


Well they still have the 1st they got back in exchange for the best WR in the league....oh wait....
If Jerry Jones does anything dynamic  
bc4life : 10/25/2020 2:29 pm : link
due to things not getting better - it will be firing McCarthy after one season and hiring somemone like Bienemy
Reading these posts about Becton...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/25/2020 2:30 pm : link
Man, I'm depressed. I know it's not even November 1st, but if we F'ed up this pick...UFB.
Shit, forgot about that  
UConn4523 : 10/25/2020 2:30 pm : link
Haha
Becton the better pick?  
bc4life : 10/25/2020 2:30 pm : link
season not even half over. let's give it a few more reps before we start ordering Becton's Gold jacket or cutting Thomas
RE: The Giants scouts need to be fired  
chopperhatch : 10/25/2020 2:31 pm : link
In comment 15024007 WillVAB said:
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Can’t scout OL for 10 years, then get the Thomas over Becton selection wrong.


Posts lile this are fucking idiotic. The entire league had Thomas as the most pro ready Tackle coming out witha minority thinking Wills was. Thomas had better combine than Wills, didnt get hurt like Becton did. Thomas is having a bad start to his career. I seem to remember Trent Williams stuggling as a rookie too.
watching Steelers today  
bc4life : 10/25/2020 2:34 pm : link
and looking at their remaining schedule - possibly a lock for home field advantage
RE: RE: The Giants scouts need to be fired  
WillVAB : 10/25/2020 2:34 pm : link
In comment 15024015 chopperhatch said:
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Can’t scout OL for 10 years, then get the Thomas over Becton selection wrong.



Posts lile this are fucking idiotic. The entire league had Thomas as the most pro ready Tackle coming out witha minority thinking Wills was. Thomas had better combine than Wills, didnt get hurt like Becton did. Thomas is having a bad start to his career. I seem to remember Trent Williams stuggling as a rookie too.


You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. The entire league? You mean the random draft people you read?
How did Dalton lead a scoring drive against us  
Mike in NY : 10/25/2020 2:35 pm : link
?
Elliott has ball bounce off his hands  
jvm52106 : 10/25/2020 2:35 pm : link
inside Wash 10 and it gets intercepted. 22-3 Wash at Halftime.
The Mike McCarthy Era ...  
Jim from Katonah : 10/25/2020 2:36 pm : link
.... has started slowly in Big D lol.
RE: The Giants scouts need to be fired  
jeff57 : 10/25/2020 2:36 pm : link
In comment 15024007 WillVAB said:
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Can’t scout OL for 10 years, then get the Thomas over Becton selection wrong.


Scouts didn’t select him.
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GiantEgo : 10/25/2020 2:37 pm : link
Looks like one and out for McCarthy. Team has already quit on him,
RE: RE: The Giants scouts need to be fired  
jeff57 : 10/25/2020 2:37 pm : link
In comment 15024015 chopperhatch said:
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Can’t scout OL for 10 years, then get the Thomas over Becton selection wrong.



Posts lile this are fucking idiotic. The entire league had Thomas as the most pro ready Tackle coming out witha minority thinking Wills was. Thomas had better combine than Wills, didnt get hurt like Becton did. Thomas is having a bad start to his career. I seem to remember Trent Williams stuggling as a rookie too.


No, most said Wills was most pro ready.
RE: Dallas taking Lawrence?  
Toth029 : 10/25/2020 2:37 pm : link
In comment 15024006 bc4life said:
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Dak has been out two weeks and is still leading NFL in QB stats.


Joking, right? Cowboys can pay Dak $40M when he has not won a playoff game or pick a 21 year old kid who's the best QB prospect in a long time and will be cheap for 5 years. Easy choice.
Too early  
cjac : 10/25/2020 2:37 pm : link
To call Thomas a bust. He was thrown into a tough situation. New coach, Covid pre season, the starter opted out. He will get better.
RE: The Mike McCarthy Era ...  
UConn4523 : 10/25/2020 2:38 pm : link
In comment 15024021 Jim from Katonah said:
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.... has started slowly in Big D lol.


Even funnier is Rodgers gets to the NFCC game his first year without him and this year they look unstoppable when Adams is healthy.

McCarthy should be sending his game checks to Rodgers.
RE: RE: The Mike McCarthy Era ...  
Jim from Katonah : 10/25/2020 2:40 pm : link
In comment 15024027 UConn4523 said:
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.... has started slowly in Big D lol.



Even funnier is Rodgers gets to the NFCC game his first year without him and this year they look unstoppable when Adams is healthy.

McCarthy should be sending his game checks to Rodgers.


Haha true
Not watching Cowboys game but  
Rick in Dallas : 10/25/2020 2:40 pm : link
How about those Cowboys!!!! LOL
Dak is the heart of that team.
Hopefully Dak has a full recovery and gets paid by Cowboys
Is Zeke making business decisions already?
Titans missing Lewan  
bc4life : 10/25/2020 2:41 pm : link
big time.
RE: RE: The Mike McCarthy Era ...  
Blue Dream : 10/25/2020 2:42 pm : link
In comment 15024027 UConn4523 said:
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The team is already quitting on him, could be a short era


.... has started slowly in Big D lol.



Even funnier is Rodgers gets to the NFCC game his first year without him and this year they look unstoppable when Adams is healthy.

McCarthy should be sending his game checks to Rodgers.
RE: RE: RE: The Giants scouts need to be fired  
chopperhatch : 10/25/2020 2:45 pm : link
In comment 15024024 jeff57 said:
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Can’t scout OL for 10 years, then get the Thomas over Becton selection wrong.



Posts lile this are fucking idiotic. The entire league had Thomas as the most pro ready Tackle coming out witha minority thinking Wills was. Thomas had better combine than Wills, didnt get hurt like Becton did. Thomas is having a bad start to his career. I seem to remember Trent Williams stuggling as a rookie too.



No, most said Wills was most pro ready.


Totally and completely incorrect.
RE: Not watching Cowboys game but  
section125 : 10/25/2020 2:45 pm : link
In comment 15024029 Rick in Dallas said:
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How about those Cowboys!!!! LOL
Dak is the heart of that team.
Hopefully Dak has a full recovery and gets paid by Cowboys
Is Zeke making business decisions already?


Does McCarthy make the season before termination?
RE: RE: The Giants scouts need to be fired  
WillVAB : 10/25/2020 2:45 pm : link
In comment 15024022 jeff57 said:
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Can’t scout OL for 10 years, then get the Thomas over Becton selection wrong.



Scouts didn’t select him.


He needs to go too. But the common denominator over the last decade has been the scouts and evaluators of these guys coming out of college. The Giants have picked a bunch of guys at various points in the draft and they’ve been shit. They’ve also passed on plenty of studs. It’s obvious whomever or whatever they’re using to evaluate OL isn’t working.
Chase Young is fast and powerful but ...  
Jim from Katonah : 10/25/2020 2:47 pm : link
... lacks the change of direction and slipperiness of the top pass rushers. He has straight line burst but falls for ball fakes and has difficulty recovering when overrunning plays. I know he’s had hip and groin injuries, maybe that’s part of it.
RE: The Giants scouts need to be fired  
section125 : 10/25/2020 2:49 pm : link
In comment 15024007 WillVAB said:
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Can’t scout OL for 10 years, then get the Thomas over Becton selection wrong.


Good God, can we wait a couple seasons to see how it transpires. Becton did have the highest upside and the lowest ceiling, I will grant you.
RE: RE: RE: The Giants scouts need to be fired  
chopperhatch : 10/25/2020 2:49 pm : link
In comment 15024017 WillVAB said:
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Can’t scout OL for 10 years, then get the Thomas over Becton selection wrong.



Posts lile this are fucking idiotic. The entire league had Thomas as the most pro ready Tackle coming out witha minority thinking Wills was. Thomas had better combine than Wills, didnt get hurt like Becton did. Thomas is having a bad start to his career. I seem to remember Trent Williams stuggling as a rookie too.



You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. The entire league? You mean the random draft people you read?


No, I do know what Im talking about. When the draft came around, most everybody had the Giants drafting Thomas as he was the closest to plug and play. Wills had size concerns as well as concerns about flipping to the left side. Becton was too much of a wild card due to his being very raw, came from a system heavily slanted to the run. Wirfs was projected by many as an all pro Guard and was strictly viewed as either that or RT at best.

YOU don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
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WillVAB : 10/25/2020 2:51 pm : link
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Can’t scout OL for 10 years, then get the Thomas over Becton selection wrong.



Posts lile this are fucking idiotic. The entire league had Thomas as the most pro ready Tackle coming out witha minority thinking Wills was. Thomas had better combine than Wills, didnt get hurt like Becton did. Thomas is having a bad start to his career. I seem to remember Trent Williams stuggling as a rookie too.



You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. The entire league? You mean the random draft people you read?



No, I do know what Im talking about. When the draft came around, most everybody had the Giants drafting Thomas as he was the closest to plug and play. Wills had size concerns as well as concerns about flipping to the left side. Becton was too much of a wild card due to his being very raw, came from a system heavily slanted to the run. Wirfs was projected by many as an all pro Guard and was strictly viewed as either that or RT at best.

YOU don't know what the fuck you're talking about.


You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. It’s obvious you didn’t watch Becton or Thomas much in college.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The Giants scouts need to be fired  
section125 : 10/25/2020 2:56 pm : link
In comment 15024041 WillVAB said:
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YOU don't know what the fuck you're talking about.



You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. It’s obvious you didn’t watch Becton or Thomas much in college.


Becton was great shoving college players around, but was constantly off balance and then could not recover as the DE went past him after initial contact. Difference was at Louisville the ball was out of the QBs hand quickly.
Powerful, absolutely. Quick feet, yes. But watch him bend at the waist and almost topple forward.
This is a hell of a debate  
Jersey Heel : 10/25/2020 2:59 pm : link
“You don’t know what you’re talking about!”

“No, YOU don’t know what you’re talking about!”
Ok Will,  
chopperhatch : 10/25/2020 2:59 pm : link
Fucking putz.
Gotta love A.J. Brown  
jeff57 : 10/25/2020 3:01 pm : link
Reminds me a bit of Nicks at his peak.
Rodgers at 10 yards per attempt just about, haha  
UConn4523 : 10/25/2020 3:04 pm : link
and what is WFT doing? Over 6 yards per carry, Gibson at almost 8 ypc and they keep letting Allen drop back. Makes no sense.
Dalton  
uther99 : 10/25/2020 3:07 pm : link
gets cheap shot
Dallas is a prime example of why I’m encouraged by Judge..  
Sean : 10/25/2020 3:08 pm : link
Dallas is a poorly coached team where the players don’t seem to be buying in at all.
Andy Dalton might be legally dead  
Blue Dream : 10/25/2020 3:08 pm : link
After that hit
RE: Dalton  
jeff57 : 10/25/2020 3:08 pm : link
In comment 15024051 uther99 said:
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gets cheap shot


Brutal looking hit.
Dalton down  
bluesince56 : 10/25/2020 3:08 pm : link
Cheap hit to head
Player safety won't mean shit until  
jvm52106 : 10/25/2020 3:08 pm : link
the players care. Dalton slides and idiot bostic goes right for his head with a viscious dirty shit!
Andy Dalton just got  
Route 9 : 10/25/2020 3:08 pm : link
popped in the head. Didn't look good.
Rooting for the Jets and Washington  
GeofromNJ : 10/25/2020 3:09 pm : link
I don't want either team to be in a position to draft Trevor Lawrence. And while I have no doubt that Jimma' would take Lawrence in a nanosecond if he had the chance, I don't think Dallas will end up with the #1 selection.
RE: Player safety won't mean shit until  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/25/2020 3:09 pm : link
In comment 15024056 jvm52106 said:
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the players care. Dalton slides and idiot bostic goes right for his head with a viscious dirty shit!


I only saw tail end and need to see it again but those type of hits on guys with Daltons mobility are almost always dirty
That is a disgraceful hit  
black aces : 10/25/2020 3:09 pm : link
inexcusable
RE: RE: Dalton  
chopperhatch : 10/25/2020 3:10 pm : link
In comment 15024054 jeff57 said:
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gets cheap shot



Brutal looking hit.


That was bad. He got hit in the front of the head and then his head slammed back on the turf.
RE: Player safety won't mean shit until  
bubba0825 : 10/25/2020 3:10 pm : link
In comment 15024056 jvm52106 said:
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the players care. Dalton slides and idiot bostic goes right for his head with a viscious dirty shit!


If that wasn’t an ejection-able hit I don’t know what is. The nfl should come down hard
Ben Dinucci in  
jeff57 : 10/25/2020 3:10 pm : link
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RE: Dallas  
GeofromNJ : 10/25/2020 3:12 pm : link
In comment 15023999 AcidTest said:
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is awful. I know it's unlikely, but what if they ended up with the #1 pick and of course took Lawrence? The whole board would meltdown.

There's no doubt Jimma would take Lawrence if he had the chance, but I don't think Dallas will end up with the #1 selection.
RE: Ben Dinucci in  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/25/2020 3:12 pm : link
In comment 15024065 jeff57 said:
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I thought you were just making up a person’s name.
Dallas is a clown show and I love every moment of it  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/25/2020 3:12 pm : link
Tried to tell them this was a downgrade at the coaching position. This isn’t just a downgrade it’s falling off a cliff. Mike Nolan and McCarthy lol
Shame of it is if we only held on Thursday night.  
PetesHereNow : 10/25/2020 3:13 pm : link
We’d have been in the driver’s seat in this awful division
RE: RE: Ben Dinucci in  
jeff57 : 10/25/2020 3:14 pm : link
In comment 15024067 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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I thought you were just making up a person’s name.


The pride of James Madison.
Finally! There’s that long overdue bounce for the Titans  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/25/2020 3:14 pm : link
LTG
Gotta wonder what Jerry Jones is thinking now.  
chopperhatch : 10/25/2020 3:14 pm : link
Dalton hadnt looked good at all, but now miss significant time to concussion. Think he decides to try and dump some players and tank for Trevor?

That would legit suck ass if he was able to unload some ridiculous salaries like Elliot or Cooper
How bad is the NFC East?  
jvm52106 : 10/25/2020 3:14 pm : link
If Washington wins the Giants are still solidly in East contention. If the Jets win the Giants are in solid contention for #1 pick..
DALQB3 almost got sent to the QB cemetery with that hit.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/25/2020 3:15 pm : link
Ouch.
RE: Dallas is a clown show and I love every moment of it  
bw in dc : 10/25/2020 3:17 pm : link
In comment 15024069 Zeke's Alibi said:
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Tried to tell them this was a downgrade at the coaching position. This isn’t just a downgrade it’s falling off a cliff. Mike Nolan and McCarthy lol


Nolan was a horrific hire. I have no idea why McCarthy chose him. They aren't going to win another game at this point.
Awful  
AcidTest : 10/25/2020 3:17 pm : link
hit on Dalton. Ejection was absolutely warranted. The same with the inevitable large fine. That hit might have ended Dalton's season.
Are we ever going to address how the Giants could’ve  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/25/2020 3:18 pm : link
drafted TJ Watt or is it just too painful???
RE: Awful  
cjac : 10/25/2020 3:20 pm : link
In comment 15024082 AcidTest said:
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hit on Dalton. Ejection was absolutely warranted. The same with the inevitable large fine. That hit might have ended Dalton's season.


Yeah that guy should get another game suspension for that. And he argued the flag. Not sure what he was thinking. You have to know that’s wrong.
...  
broadbandz : 10/25/2020 3:20 pm : link
BIG D BABY! lol cant stand that loser team and fanbase.
Call the Bills GM right now and offer Gano for a 3rd rounder  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/25/2020 3:23 pm : link
...
Amazing.  
Route 9 : 10/25/2020 3:25 pm : link
That if the Giants actually weren't complete useless losers, they could've had a chance at this division. Haha. Pathetic. Engram cut or ... jettisoned from a plane yet?
RE: Awful  
bw in dc : 10/25/2020 3:25 pm : link
In comment 15024082 AcidTest said:
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hit on Dalton. Ejection was absolutely warranted. The same with the inevitable large fine. That hit might have ended Dalton's season.


Maybe his career. I'm totally convinced coaches still teach these tactics to hit with the helmet.

What are we in the 4th or 5th year of this huge emphasis on safe play? But we still see it every week. And almost every game...

Time to start fining these DCs and HCs to really change the culture...
This Pitt vs Titans game  
montanagiant : 10/25/2020 3:28 pm : link
Is getting interesting.
RE: ...  
Route 9 : 10/25/2020 3:28 pm : link
In comment 15024085 broadbandz said:
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BIG D BABY! lol cant stand that loser team and fanbase.


I can't think of a bigger bunch of losers than the pussies we got on our team. I think I hate these guys more than the 2017 team.
Here come the Titans  
jeff57 : 10/25/2020 3:30 pm : link
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No Charles Davis he’s thinking they have to go 99  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/25/2020 3:34 pm : link
Yards. Steelers are more likely to turn it over then score from here
Why does Detroit keep feeding Peterson?  
Mike in NY : 10/25/2020 3:35 pm : link
Their O is much better with Swift
RE: Call the Bills GM right now and offer Gano for a 3rd rounder  
section125 : 10/25/2020 3:37 pm : link
In comment 15024087 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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NFW. Gano is worth keeping.
RE: Call the Bills GM right now and offer Gano for a 3rd rounder  
Mike in NY : 10/25/2020 3:39 pm : link
In comment 15024087 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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How about call Dallas and see if they will give a 2nd Rounder for Colt McCoy
montanagiant  
bc4life : 10/25/2020 3:39 pm : link
this series is going to be a good test of where the Steelers are as a team
Damn, that was one of the  
Dave on the UWS : 10/25/2020 3:41 pm : link
dirtiest hits I’ve ever seen. At his age, Dalton may want to retire.
The Jets will end up with Lawrence and will rule the NY Metro area  
GeofromNJ : 10/25/2020 3:47 pm : link
for the next ten years. I hate that as much as I'd hate Lawrence playing for Washington or Dallas.
Titans. Want to make a play on defense on 3rd  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/25/2020 3:50 pm : link
Down. Jesus
RE: The Jets will end up with Lawrence and will rule the NY Metro area  
AlwaysASpiral : 10/25/2020 3:53 pm : link
In comment 15024107 GeofromNJ said:
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for the next ten years. I hate that as much as I'd hate Lawrence playing for Washington or Dallas.


Yeah, I hope the Jets don't get Lawrence.

In other news, imagine what it must be like for Darnold. He knows that. It is poetic for him in this regard.
RE: RE: Dallas  
FStubbs : 10/25/2020 3:54 pm : link
In comment 15024066 GeofromNJ said:
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is awful. I know it's unlikely, but what if they ended up with the #1 pick and of course took Lawrence? The whole board would meltdown.


There's no doubt Jimma would take Lawrence if he had the chance, but I don't think Dallas will end up with the #1 selection.


Winning a game puts you out of reach to get Lawrence.
Smart move tomlin  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/25/2020 3:56 pm : link
Goes for it there and prob gets it
And they get that pick  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/25/2020 3:57 pm : link
Nice
man thank god  
terz22 : 10/25/2020 3:57 pm : link
we didnt get McCarthy what a disaster that is proving to be. I feel 1000x better we got Judge.
Oh man. Too dangerous a throw by Ben  
jeff57 : 10/25/2020 3:57 pm : link
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And we shit on  
section125 : 10/25/2020 3:57 pm : link
Jones? as Ben throws a INT in the endzone.....
Ben  
AcidTest : 10/25/2020 3:58 pm : link
throws his third pick.
Gurley just pulled an Ahmad Bradshaw  
Sean : 10/25/2020 3:58 pm : link
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RE: And we shit on  
jnoble : 10/25/2020 3:59 pm : link
In comment 15024118 section125 said:
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Jones? as Ben throws a INT in the endzone.....


Josh Allen fumbles as much if not more than Jones
RE: And we shit on  
Greg from LI : 10/25/2020 3:59 pm : link
In comment 15024118 section125 said:
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Jones? as Ben throws a INT in the endzone.....


a)I will never understand why, on BBI, any level of criticism, no matter how justified, is almost always termed "shitting on".

b)Ben has two rings. That buys a QB an awful lot of leeway.
RE: RE: And we shit on  
terz22 : 10/25/2020 4:00 pm : link
In comment 15024121 jnoble said:
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Jones? as Ben throws a INT in the endzone.....



Josh Allen fumbles as much if not more than Jones


Agreed. The only big differece is these two are on winning teams.
RE: And we shit on  
jeff57 : 10/25/2020 4:00 pm : link
In comment 15024118 section125 said:
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Jones? as Ben throws a INT in the endzone.....


How many Super Bowls has Jones won.
If  
AcidTest : 10/25/2020 4:00 pm : link
the Jets get Lawrence, somebody might give them a #2 for Darnold. Teams are desperate for QBs. I could see somebody taking a chance on him for a relatively low investment. It's just that it would be ironic considering that Jets fans thought they had finally found their QB in Darnold.
RE: RE: RE: And we shit on  
Greg from LI : 10/25/2020 4:01 pm : link
In comment 15024123 terz22 said:
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Agreed. The only big differece is these two are on winning teams.


Josh Allen makes a helluva lot more big plays than Daniel Jones does. Sorry if that is a fact you don't want to admit.
what a dumb throw  
bc4life : 10/25/2020 4:02 pm : link
by Ben. play it safe, worst case scenario - kick the FG and make Titans go length of field for a TD
Bad  
AcidTest : 10/25/2020 4:02 pm : link
throw by Ben, but yeah, he's won two SB, is a HOF QB, and is playing a 5 - 0 team on the road. He's playing with house money at this point in his career.
Joe Burrow  
Mike in NY : 10/25/2020 4:02 pm : link
Just led go ahead drive
Atlanta and Cincy winning  
jeff57 : 10/25/2020 4:03 pm : link
Good for the Giants.
RE: If  
bubba0825 : 10/25/2020 4:03 pm : link
In comment 15024125 AcidTest said:
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the Jets get Lawrence, somebody might give them a #2 for Darnold. Teams are desperate for QBs. I could see somebody taking a chance on him for a relatively low investment. It's just that it would be ironic considering that Jets fans thought they had finally found their QB in Darnold.


The Steelers would make sense
RE: RE: And we shit on  
section125 : 10/25/2020 4:03 pm : link
In comment 15024122 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 15024118 section125 said:


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Jones? as Ben throws a INT in the endzone.....



a)I will never understand why, on BBI, any level of criticism, no matter how justified, is almost always termed "shitting on".

b)Ben has two rings. That buys a QB an awful lot of leeway.


Two rings buys you nothing when you make a rookie error. A 16 year vet should know better to not force a ball like that when he had a crossing pattern wide open that may have got the 1st down and at worst got them a try for 3 points.
And yes Jones deserves the criticism but Ben deserves it more.
RE: RE: RE: RE: And we shit on  
AcidTest : 10/25/2020 4:04 pm : link
In comment 15024126 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 15024123 terz22 said:


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Agreed. The only big differece is these two are on winning teams.



Josh Allen makes a helluva lot more big plays than Daniel Jones does. Sorry if that is a fact you don't want to admit.


Allen is playing with loads more talent than Jones.
RE: RE: Dallas is a clown show and I love every moment of it  
FStubbs : 10/25/2020 4:04 pm : link
In comment 15024081 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15024069 Zeke's Alibi said:


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Tried to tell them this was a downgrade at the coaching position. This isn’t just a downgrade it’s falling off a cliff. Mike Nolan and McCarthy lol



Nolan was a horrific hire. I have no idea why McCarthy chose him. They aren't going to win another game at this point.


McCarthy was Nolan's OC in San Francisco.
RE: If  
jnoble : 10/25/2020 4:04 pm : link
In comment 15024125 AcidTest said:
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the Jets get Lawrence, somebody might give them a #2 for Darnold. Teams are desperate for QBs. I could see somebody taking a chance on him for a relatively low investment. It's just that it would be ironic considering that Jets fans thought they had finally found their QB in Darnold.


Why does everyone think TL is going to solve all of the Jets problems? Is he going to play defense, coach, play special teams block catch and run too? They're not losing games specifically because of Darnold
RE: RE: If  
AcidTest : 10/25/2020 4:05 pm : link
In comment 15024132 bubba0825 said:
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In comment 15024125 AcidTest said:


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the Jets get Lawrence, somebody might give them a #2 for Darnold. Teams are desperate for QBs. I could see somebody taking a chance on him for a relatively low investment. It's just that it would be ironic considering that Jets fans thought they had finally found their QB in Darnold.



The Steelers would make sense


Agreed.
RE: RE: RE: RE: And we shit on  
FStubbs : 10/25/2020 4:05 pm : link
In comment 15024126 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 15024123 terz22 said:


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Agreed. The only big differece is these two are on winning teams.



Josh Allen makes a helluva lot more big plays than Daniel Jones does. Sorry if that is a fact you don't want to admit.


Josh Allen plays on a vastly superior team to Jones.
Look, Ben isn't my favorite QB, and it was a terrible throw  
Greg from LI : 10/25/2020 4:05 pm : link
But acting shocked and outraged that an unproven second year QB gets more flak for it than a future HOFer is silly.
What the hell was that Tannehill  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/25/2020 4:05 pm : link
?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: And we shit on  
AlwaysASpiral : 10/25/2020 4:06 pm : link
In comment 15024134 AcidTest said:
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In comment 15024126 Greg from LI said:


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In comment 15024123 terz22 said:


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Agreed. The only big differece is these two are on winning teams.



Josh Allen makes a helluva lot more big plays than Daniel Jones does. Sorry if that is a fact you don't want to admit.



Allen is playing with loads more talent than Jones.


Exactly. Jones playing behind a nice offensive line, with a starting caliber RB, and receivers who can create separation, is a pretty good QB. Looking forward to seeing how he plays the rest of the year. I don't think we will be in a position to take Lawrence or Fields anyway.
Even  
AcidTest : 10/25/2020 4:07 pm : link
by NFL standards, there has been some huge hitting in this Pittsburgh Tennessee game.
Dumb call by Pitt on the 4th down  
montanagiant : 10/25/2020 4:07 pm : link
Take the FG and go up by 6. I appreciate being aggressive but you just made this an easily tileable game the would have been twice as difficult if you take the FG
No  
AcidTest : 10/25/2020 4:07 pm : link
good!
Titans miss FG  
jeff57 : 10/25/2020 4:07 pm : link
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yeah, and if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle  
Greg from LI : 10/25/2020 4:09 pm : link
And while the Bills have better talent than the Giants (who doesn't?) let's not act as if they're the '80s Niners or anything on offense. A lot of their success rests on Allen's physical gifts.
Lions TD at the gun  
jeff57 : 10/25/2020 4:09 pm : link
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Hey Falcon fans  
cjac : 10/25/2020 4:10 pm : link
I know how you feel
RE: Look, Ben isn't my favorite QB, and it was a terrible throw  
section125 : 10/25/2020 4:10 pm : link
In comment 15024140 Greg from LI said:
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But acting shocked and outraged that an unproven second year QB gets more flak for it than a future HOFer is silly.


Bullshit. A 2X SB champ and 16 year vet absolutely knows better than to throw that kind of pass with a FG in hand at 2 minutes..you have your reasoning backward. The 2nd year player should get more leeway - and yet he should know as well. Anyway IMHO
that grounding penalty cost them the game  
Greg from LI : 10/25/2020 4:10 pm : link
.
crazy Cleveland  
bc4life : 10/25/2020 4:10 pm : link
win
Hey Falcon AND Bengal fans  
cjac : 10/25/2020 4:11 pm : link
I know how you feel
Man I feel bad for Stafford  
beatrixkiddo : 10/25/2020 4:11 pm : link
such a great, clutch player but with such a terrible organziation and coach. Wonder what he could do with in a better environemnt
Lions win it  
jeff57 : 10/25/2020 4:11 pm : link
.
Just saw that hit on Dalton.  
section125 : 10/25/2020 4:11 pm : link
That should be a suspension. That was pure intent to injure ala Burfunct....
yeah  
bc4life : 10/25/2020 4:12 pm : link
the grounding penalty killed a great comeback
RE: Hey Falcon AND Bengal fans  
uther99 : 10/25/2020 4:12 pm : link
In comment 15024153 cjac said:
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I know how you feel


Falcons just snatch defeat from the jaws of victory
RE: Just saw that hit on Dalton.  
cjac : 10/25/2020 4:12 pm : link
In comment 15024156 section125 said:
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That should be a suspension. That was pure intent to injure ala Burfunct....


I agree. At least a game or two
CIN and ATL wins  
Metnut : 10/25/2020 4:13 pm : link
would’ve been better for our draft pick.
Browns win  
jeff57 : 10/25/2020 4:14 pm : link
.
Burrow  
bc4life : 10/25/2020 4:14 pm : link
has been looking good
RE: CIN and ATL wins  
jeff57 : 10/25/2020 4:15 pm : link
In comment 15024162 Metnut said:
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would’ve been better for our draft pick.


Yeah, Atlanta was a killer.
RE: Burrow  
terz22 : 10/25/2020 4:18 pm : link
In comment 15024166 bc4life said:
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has been looking good


Agreed but looking like he's been prone to fumbling another 3 today.
Any word on OBJ's knee injury?  
montanagiant : 10/25/2020 4:19 pm : link
.
Fucking disaster  
Anakim : 10/25/2020 4:20 pm : link
All those teams were leading!!! Falcons, Jets, Bengals...


Ugh, not good for our draft pick :(
Stafford with huge drive for the winner!  
Simms11 : 10/25/2020 4:21 pm : link
That was amazing. Patricia has the Lions at 3-3 now. They have a nice offense.
.  
Anakim : 10/25/2020 4:24 pm : link
Sporting News
@sportingnews
The Falcons have lost three games this season where they had a 95% win probability or higher.
quick question...  
BillKo : 10/25/2020 4:36 pm : link
...no 10 second runoff in the Detroit/ATL game because Detroit was all setup when they decided to review the catch before the TD?

I don't believe DET had any TOs.
OBJ's injury Per Rappaport  
montanagiant : 10/25/2020 5:04 pm : link
Is claiming he received a major knee injury early in today's game
RE: RE: If  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/25/2020 5:14 pm : link
In comment 15024136 jnoble said:
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In comment 15024125 AcidTest said:


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the Jets get Lawrence, somebody might give them a #2 for Darnold. Teams are desperate for QBs. I could see somebody taking a chance on him for a relatively low investment. It's just that it would be ironic considering that Jets fans thought they had finally found their QB in Darnold.



Why does everyone think TL is going to solve all of the Jets problems? Is he going to play defense, coach, play special teams block catch and run too? They're not losing games specifically because of Darnold


Who is saying Trevor Lawrence would solve all of the Jets problems?

Dalton Hit  
D HOS : 10/25/2020 5:18 pm : link
Took a break from football today. Just checked highlights and saw the hit on Dalton. I am a little upset that no Dallas players tried to kick Bostic's ass. If I was a Dallas fan I would have wanted my players to risk also getting ejected because they all went after Bostic.
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