I didn't see the Jets game, but saw the posts that Becton looked really good. Wirfs & Wills have also graded well.
There's no other way to put it about Thomas...he's been awful. And yes, it's only 7 games in a weird season, but those other guys are in the same boat for the most part.
He's been in Sy's dud's multiple times. If he's a blown pick...well, another Gettleman disaster.
I would start to worry if there is no imlrovement by the end of the year
I would start to worry if there is no imlrovement by the end of the year
Yes. I think the original plan before Solder left was for him to play on the right side anyway
was thinking the same thing. So glad we have people who bring insightful discussions to the table.
This. He has struggled, but he has also struggled after zero offseason and playing some tough defensive fronts. Pitt, Chicago, 49ers, Dallas (Lawreence, Smith and Crawford are no slouches), Rams and Wash have pretty top notch DEs and rush backers.
Compare that to everybody's hero in Becton (widely regarded as the 3rd or 4th best OT going into the draft) who has played the 49ers, Colts and not much else in terms of DL talent.
The answer is probably cliser to early next season. You really cant evaluate him at this point
I hated the pick. Not Thomas in particular but DG should have been able to trade down a few picks for anything and get any of the top 4 OTs. It wasn't anything close to a value pick and Thomas was regarded as the highest floor/lowest ceiling OT in the draft. Looks like the floor is dropping already? I still don't think DG has the intellect to negotiate a solid trade. When has he made a trade where the Giants have benefited more than the other franchise? I think that's why he's so scared to trade down.
But yes, at this point in the season I was hoping to see better play from him.
There were a lot of differences of opinion by draft gurus on this.
There is very ample room to criticize DG for this
My biggest worry with him (why I had him behind Wills, Becton, and Wirfs in that order), is his lack of balance. The reason the Flowers experiment didn't work.
I didn't know if that could be fixed. I really hope for our sake it can, but its up to the young man and a lot of work. He has all the tools, but he has to change the way he's doing things.
Highest floor? NFL ready? Best technique? Those terms thrown around post-draft about Thomas don't indicate a player who needs a year to get acclimated to the NFL game. Thomas looks like the project tackle.
Highest floor? NFL ready? Best technique? Those terms thrown around post-draft about Thomas don't indicate a player who needs a year to get acclimated to the NFL game. Thomas looks like the project tackle.
yes he was supposed to be the most pro ready according to DG. becton and wirfs were the freak athletes and they are already better technically by a wide margin. someone really dropped the ball on this
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He wasn’t a reach and everyone here loved the pick.
There were a lot of differences of opinion by draft gurus on this.
There is very ample room to criticize DG for this
I think he's being facetious
Right fucking now!
He looks like the sort of draft bust that will set this hell-hole franchise back another three years.
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He wasn’t a reach and everyone here loved the pick.
There were a lot of differences of opinion by draft gurus on this.
There is very ample room to criticize DG for this
I think he's being facetious
I don't know if he was. PFF loved thomas coming out
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after the 1st pre-season game and he is still getting no one blocked.
This. He has struggled, but he has also struggled after zero offseason and playing some tough defensive fronts. Pitt, Chicago, 49ers, Dallas (Lawreence, Smith and Crawford are no slouches), Rams and Wash have pretty top notch DEs and rush backers.
Compare that to everybody's hero in Becton (widely regarded as the 3rd or 4th best OT going into the draft) who has played the 49ers, Colts and not much else in terms of DL talent.
The answer is probably cliser to early next season. You really cant evaluate him at this point
Yeah, and when Becton went against the Niners, he only had to face Bosa, who he had no trouble with. But who's counting.
"He was my fourth Offensive Tackle...I did not see elite recoverability, quickness or athleticism...there were better options on the board." - ( New Window )
This isn't even taking in the mental aspect of the game where he is slow to read stunts. Too much is going in around him.
If I am a coach I am making it simple on him. I am having him focus on not getting beat inside. That has to come first. He's so worried about getting beat outside that he is struggling with everything. I am saying hey nobody gets inside of you. That's your focus then adjust to the outside stuff. Then I would have TEs and WRs help slow down the initial rush of defenders and have backs help chip. Put him in a position to gain some confidence with something and then slowly build off of that.
People on a fan forum liked the guy so an NFL GM is exonerated if it proves to be a terrible decision. That checks out
I agree he wasn't particularly a reach, but there were quite a few here who didn't love the pick.
I'm concerned. The Giants have bungled line picks for years (and our Director of College Scouting has been with the franchise for 15 years). When you add in how good some other guys have looked, it's concerning.
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He wasn’t a reach and everyone here loved the pick.
I agree he wasn't particularly a reach, but there were quite a few here who didn't love the pick.
I didnt love it, but not so much because of the player. I had a hard time differentiating between the 4 OT's, and because of that, I really was hoping for a minor trade down a few spots (assuming there was someone who wanted to move up to 4 for someone) and then take whichever OT was left standing, and also pick up an extra pick or two so we could fill a couple of holes, mainly WR because of the deep class. But when they made the pick, I figured that someone in their scouting department or DG saw something in Thomas that made him stand out among the group. Whatever that is.....obviously havent seen it yet.
This isn't even taking in the mental aspect of the game where he is slow to read stunts. Too much is going in around him.
If I am a coach I am making it simple on him. I am having him focus on not getting beat inside. That has to come first. He's so worried about getting beat outside that he is struggling with everything. I am saying hey nobody gets inside of you. That's your focus then adjust to the outside stuff. Then I would have TEs and WRs help slow down the initial rush of defenders and have backs help chip. Put him in a position to gain some confidence with something and then slowly build off of that.
I actually think the one area that he's good at, is picking up stunts with Hernandez. For some reason, that seems more natural, but we are getting to a point where we ask, is he a better interior player? This really can't go on all year.
Don’t recall any NFL team, scout, etc thinking Wirfs was an NFL left tackle most thought he would be a G
Wills never played LT in college
Beckton was not considered as good as Thomas
It sucks right now he is struggling, but it is only 7 games
Anyway, the time to worry is now. It’s not like he can’t get better. But, why wouldn’t anyone be worried now? He’s getting beat every week in every way imaginable. Seriously, what’s not to worry about?
Don’t recall any NFL team, scout, etc thinking Wirfs was an NFL left tackle most thought he would be a G
Wills never played LT in college
Beckton was not considered as good as Thomas
It sucks right now he is struggling, but it is only 7 games
Some people had Becton ahead of Thomas. DJ I believe had Becton as his #1 OT.
Speaking of Peart, why is he not getting snaps after his performance against Washington? He rated much better than Thomas. Joe Judge has said over and over that you earn playing time, and he doesn't care where you were drafted. Yet as Thomas keeps getting beat, Peart remains on the bench.
And I suppose Gallman after looking good against Philly will not play. And even worse, Engram not only gets snaps, but is counted on in clutch times. What a joke next week it will be watching Gronkowski, possibly the best tight end ever, and comparing his play to Engram, the most overrated player in the entire league.
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He was the best LT prospect coming out of the best conference. It was the right choice for the LT. Unfortunately he is struggling
Don’t recall any NFL team, scout, etc thinking Wirfs was an NFL left tackle most thought he would be a G
Wills never played LT in college
Beckton was not considered as good as Thomas
It sucks right now he is struggling, but it is only 7 games
Some people had Becton ahead of Thomas. DJ I believe had Becton as his #1 OT.
Becton may very well have been seen as having the highest ceiling and the lowest floor. After Flowers that lowest floor part must have scared them away.