I was listening to Jordan Ranaan's podcast (Breaking Big Blue) and he had on Adam Caplan and Jeff Moster (sp?) from the Phila media to preview Thursday's game.
They all agreed that Wentz is the best QB in the NFC East, now that Dak is out. Caplan interrupted to state that his contacts among other NFL teams are all very high on Daniel Jones, stating that the belief is that he is a franchise QB and long-term NFL starter. They believe that getting his Oline fixed, along with his turnovers will get him over the top.
It was refreshing to hear what NFL front offices think of Jones vs the media, and our worst fears as fans.
Seems like Schuplinski has got to focus on DJs pocket awareness, maybe a "shot clock" something to get him to develop that sense of what's going on around him.
It seems there are times where he can run get 5 yards and live to see the next down, or just throw it away..
Can he become a franchise QB? Yes, any 1-3 year QB "CAN", until.they can't...but DJ looks a lot like the ones who didn't pan out. Those same anonymous league sources would also say he can, very easily, become a backup.
Can he become a franchise QB? Yes, any 1-3 year QB "CAN", until.they can't...but DJ looks a lot like the ones who didn't pan out. Those same anonymous league sources would also say he can, very easily, become a backup.
How did you feel about Josh Allen 1 year ago?
Keep in mind DJ is in his 2nd year, with his 2nd HC & Off Coordinator, lost his best skill player for the year and his Oline is a work in progress. Let's see how the next 9 games play out before throwing dirt on his grave.
Eli looked terrible until his 4 year, and even then we were nervous about him going into the playoffs.
I'd mention Simms' development, but I do understand that was decades ago.
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Sanchez, Darnold, Trubisky, Flacco, Bortles (insert 100s of names here)....
Can he become a franchise QB? Yes, any 1-3 year QB "CAN", until.they can't...but DJ looks a lot like the ones who didn't pan out. Those same anonymous league sources would also say he can, very easily, become a backup.
How did you feel about Josh Allen 1 year ago?
Keep in mind DJ is in his 2nd year, with his 2nd HC & Off Coordinator, lost his best skill player for the year and his Oline is a work in progress. Let's see how the next 9 games play out before throwing dirt on his grave.
Eli looked terrible until his 4 year, and even then we were nervous about him going into the playoffs.
I'd mention Simms' development, but I do understand that was decades ago.
The big knock on Simms appears to have been his durability; it took him until his sixth year to start a whole season (contrast with Eli’s 210-game starting streak). Apparently, that’s why Bill Parcells started Scott Brunner in 1983 (Parcells openly admits that was a mistake).
If they have #1, take Lawrence....if they have #2, and the coaching staff likes Jones, trade it for a haul of picks. Fields looks good, but how many OSU, and for that matter USC, quarterbacks look great surrounded by all the talent in the world, then show up in the pros as mediocre?
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maybe it’ll be easier to trade Jones if we have a top two pick.
If they have #1, take Lawrence....if they have #2, and the coaching staff likes Jones, trade it for a haul of picks. Fields looks good, but how many OSU, and for that matter USC, quarterbacks look great surrounded by all the talent in the world, then show up in the pros as mediocre?
Agreed. Would love a load of picks to help fix the many holes in this roster. Trust in DJ, guy has played handicapped his whole career and still has shown signs of being a stud.
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maybe it’ll be easier to trade Jones if we have a top two pick.
If they have #1, take Lawrence....if they have #2, and the coaching staff likes Jones, trade it for a haul of picks. Fields looks good, but how many OSU, and for that matter USC, quarterbacks look great surrounded by all the talent in the world, then show up in the pros as mediocre?
I hear you. But I don’t really believe in jinxes. You sort of have to put that aside and look at each prospect independent of the school’s history.
Fields is growing on me. Yesterday revealed to me his throwing motion looks much better than last year. And he looks more comfortable in the pocket. But need more intel...
Besides, Fields was at Georgia first before he went to OSU. So that is a wrinkle to consider in your OSU/USC theory... ; )
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maybe it’ll be easier to trade Jones if we have a top two pick.
If they have #1, take Lawrence....if they have #2, and the coaching staff likes Jones, trade it for a haul of picks. Fields looks good, but how many OSU, and for that matter USC, quarterbacks look great surrounded by all the talent in the world, then show up in the pros as mediocre?
I hear you. But I don’t really believe in jinxes. You sort of have to put that aside and look at each prospect independent of the school’s history.
Fields is growing on me. Yesterday revealed to me his throwing motion looks much better than last year. And he looks more comfortable in the pocket. But need more intel...
Besides, Fields was at Georgia first before he went to OSU. So that is a wrinkle to consider in your OSU/USC theory... ; )
the school thing is so dumb. Ohio St QBs.. yea they all suck until the one who is great. I understand the critique that maybe they have so much talent around them that it hides their flaws, but that is what scouts and objective analysts are supposed to see through. How's his footwork, how are his mechanics, how fast does he play, how is his accuracy in a vacuum, anticipation, etc etc.. college stats are a little meaningless. If your guys don;t know how to translate the tools to the nfl, you have the wrong guys making the decisions.
I'm not saying Fields won't be good, I don't know. All I'm saying is I can't go 100% by what he does at Ohio St, because frankly I bet a lot of QB's would look really good playing on that team.
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Sanchez, Darnold, Trubisky, Flacco, Bortles (insert 100s of names here)....
Can he become a franchise QB? Yes, any 1-3 year QB "CAN", until.they can't...but DJ looks a lot like the ones who didn't pan out. Those same anonymous league sources would also say he can, very easily, become a backup.
How did you feel about Josh Allen 1 year ago?
Keep in mind DJ is in his 2nd year, with his 2nd HC & Off Coordinator, lost his best skill player for the year and his Oline is a work in progress. Let's see how the next 9 games play out before throwing dirt on his grave.
Eli looked terrible until his 4 year, and even then we were nervous about him going into the playoffs.
I'd mention Simms' development, but I do understand that was decades ago.
I thought Allen was average last year, and I'll bet he'll be considered average at the end of this year. He's not the QB he was the first 4 games of the season IMO.
That's kinda my point, every fan base evaluates "their" QB on fandom excuses and hope, while tearing down other 1st-3rd year players making the same mistakes for other franchises. There's no objectivity until reality sets in.
I'm not saying Fields won't be good, I don't know. All I'm saying is I can't go 100% by what he does at Ohio St, because frankly I bet a lot of QB's would look really good playing on that team.
As do most QBs at Alabama, Clemson, Florida, Texas, Georgia, Michigan, etc.
All the top programs are loaded with 5 and 4 star players who will play on Sunday.
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important in the scouting process. You put Fields up next to a lot of guys, in roughly the same environment and away from his 10 NFL talented surrounding players, and see. That is why NFL teams take these seriously, and also why you see guys dropping down and moving up on the draft boards near the draft.
I'm not saying Fields won't be good, I don't know. All I'm saying is I can't go 100% by what he does at Ohio St, because frankly I bet a lot of QB's would look really good playing on that team.
As do most QBs at Alabama, Clemson, Florida, Texas, Georgia, Michigan, etc.
All the top programs are loaded with 5 and 4 star players who will play on Sunday.
Yes. Same goes for Lawrence. And the same went for Leinert, Jamarcus Russell, Rosen, Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, Akili Smith, and so on.
Certainly hope so, but boy that seems like quite a stretch for a qb who has a lot to work on.
Yes. Same goes for Lawrence. And the same went for Leinert, Jamarcus Russell, Rosen, Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, Akili Smith, and so on.
I'm glad you brought up Lawrence, actually.
The Clemson program is a recruiting machine and they are loaded everywhere. So we should absolutely consider that when evaluating Lawrence.
If you watched what Wilson and Murray did tonight, not to mention what Mahomes has done, he could be that kind of playmaker from the QB position but at more prototypical QB size.
I'm going to judge him on the Buccaneers game FORWARD and my reasoning is that the coaches have had extra time (10.5 days or so) to review the season, coach up where necessary (Thomas, Peart esp.); and, develop a gameplan where they execute and don't make as many mistakes.
Jones has one WR of merit in Slayton and an "average" guy in Shepard. Jones has no real running game and in fact he is the running game as I believe he leads the team in rush yards by a decent margin.
Losing Barkley really hurt this offense cause he opened things up for others AND he could really catch those short dumpoffs in the flat where anything could happen due to his speed. It is what it is and injuries are a big part of the NFL, you move on.
What I'm looking for from Jones is 1. less fumbles despite duress, 2. No "dumb" inerception - the Engram interception was on him not Jones iMHO 3. the deep ball accuracy to Slayton and possibly Engram if he ever gets his head out of his ass with those drops, 4. right adjustments and drop backs (steps) so he isn't killed by the OL as much.
I think Judge is a good HC who just doesn't have any Top End talent outside of possibly Bradberry on defense.
We have a core group to build around. We must hope that by season's end we know that Thomas and Peart can be quality starting OT's in this league; we must know what we have in Lemiuex cause Zeitler isn't worth his paycheck anymore; and, we have to re-sign and retain the players that fit the future & system. We will purge the team of contracts and players that don't fit.
We need to draft well and sign the right UFA's to fill major holes; however, we should NOT sign big name UFA's like a Dupree to sick serious money as we are in rebuild mode. I'd prefer to build through the draft.
We could win this division next year if Barkley comes back strong; the OL is fixed & cohesive; and, we get that WR, CB and possibly ER to help via UFA & Draft & Development of youth.
Jones is our future and I am confident in that.
Ever correct his chronic fumbling problem?
If you watched what Wilson and Murray did tonight, not to mention what Mahomes has done, he could be that kind of playmaker from the QB position but at more prototypical QB size.
I find it hard to judge Fields for one reason: When he drops back to pass, it looks like he's in an isolation tank with not a single defender near him and he's playing a casual game of toss. You could cement his feet to the ground and he still wouldn't be touched.
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In the last 20 years or more that has what Fields appears to have. None have got my attention as a top of the draft QB and potential NFL star. Not Haskins, Pryor, Barrett, Cardale Jones, none of them. Go through the list. None have the complete package that Fields has. There's a lot of football yet to go and a lot to happen prior to the draft, but to me right now, I'm not writing him off.
If you watched what Wilson and Murray did tonight, not to mention what Mahomes has done, he could be that kind of playmaker from the QB position but at more prototypical QB size.
I find it hard to judge Fields for one reason: When he drops back to pass, it looks like he's in an isolation tank with not a single defender near him and he's playing a casual game of toss. You could cement his feet to the ground and he still wouldn't be touched.
Yep this is exactly my point too. Just because he puts up gawdy stats at OSU doesn't tell us much more than he should be in the conversation. A lot of QB's would put up gawdy stats in that position. Lets see what happens at the private workouts where teams put him through their paces. Could he be the next Cam, or could he be the next Rosen, can't tell right now. However people shouldn't be getting all fired up over his stats (or Lawrence for that matter), for every Peyton there is a Leinert (QB from big school with loads of talent who ends up being average)
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Yes. Same goes for Lawrence. And the same went for Leinert, Jamarcus Russell, Rosen, Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, Akili Smith, and so on.
I'm glad you brought up Lawrence, actually.
The Clemson program is a recruiting machine and they are loaded everywhere. So we should absolutely consider that when evaluating Lawrence.
This is why I don't understand people acting like TL is some sure thing. There's a bigger body of work there than Fields and people love pointing to his Bama performance, but Bama's D was trash that year.
They are both really good prospects that essentially have the same "weakness". Plus Fields has the Ryan Day factor. I don't understand how people just discount this. You don't know how a guy is going to react mentally under heavy duress, which is the norm for the NFL. Truthfully, I was leaning towards possibly taking a QB this year until Thursday. I think it's pretty apparent DJ is going to be a solid 8-12 perennial type. Now if Fields and Lawrence were doing this at mediocre programs I'd be fully onboard on jettising DJ, but its such a giant question mark you won't get an answer to. They'll be another small sample size of games you can look at end of the year, but statisticians will tell you everything you need to know about those.
Those things are why he's a turnover machine. I doubt he'll get get better at them since he's shown zero improvement in 20 games. He's actually getting worse because now he knows he doesn't know what he's doing. When he first started playing he wasn't thinking just playing. Now he knows the league has figured out how to attack him and he can't do anything about it.
That said, if they end up #1, I would take Lawrence. He is just that good of a prospect and they can trade Jones for a decent haul probably. If they end up at #2, I would trade down. But, the bottom line,, is don't expect better from Jones if the OL isn't straightened out. At the same time, Jones has to produce almost immediately with an improved OL.
Let's fast forward to 2022, when Daniel Jones will be in his 4th year.
Here's a list of QB's that figure to be in the conversation:
Joe Burrow, Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Russell Wilson, Tua, Justin Herbert, Trevor Lawrence, Josh Allen, Baker Mayfield, Kyler Murray, Wentz, Darnold, Deshaun Watson.
Are you confident that Jones will be in the top-5 of that group? That's a tough sell, and doesn't include guys like Bryce Love who was drafted to ultimately replace Aaron Rodgers, or anyone besides Lawrence drafted in 2021 and 2022.
This is why I don't understand people acting like TL is some sure thing. There's a bigger body of work there than Fields and people love pointing to his Bama performance, but Bama's D was trash that year.
They are both really good prospects that essentially have the same "weakness". Plus Fields has the Ryan Day factor. I don't understand how people just discount this. You don't know how a guy is going to react mentally under heavy duress, which is the norm for the NFL. Truthfully, I was leaning towards possibly taking a QB this year until Thursday. I think it's pretty apparent DJ is going to be a solid 8-12 perennial type. Now if Fields and Lawrence were doing this at mediocre programs I'd be fully onboard on jettising DJ, but its such a giant question mark you won't get an answer to. They'll be another small sample size of games you can look at end of the year, but statisticians will tell you everything you need to know about those.
Agree with some of this. The jury is still out for me on Jones.
The Day factor is a good point. I mentioned that repeatedly when Haskins was putting up big numbers.
It was the same thing when Bud Foster coached the D for Virginia Tech. It's the same now with Brent Venables, the DC for Clemson. Guys with the ability to really scheme it up and make players look great...
However, you have to look beyond that and focus on the player. And there are opportunities - for the QB, in this case - to look at ball placement, motion, velocity, touch, pocket presence, mobility, eyes, etc.
I'm telling you right now that Fields is closing the gap on Lawrence. He has changed his stroke and really looked sensational throwing darts on Saturday against Nebraska. I'm getting very bullish on him...but certainly still need to see more. Hopefully the B1G gets all 8 of their games in...
That is a ridiculous statement. Even if you discount some of the older guys, Mahomes, Wilson, Watson, Burrow, Murray, Herbert, Josh Allen are all playing far better than Jones.
And anyone disregarding Teddy Bridgewater just isn’t watching much football. He is on pace for 4,500 yds, 40 TD’s, while completing 72%, over 8 YPA, and only 9 INT’s. But I guess we’ll hear about how much talent he has around him.
I will say this, I haven't seem him much, but I could see Fields closing that gap on TL as the season wears on. I need to see him play some good defenses first, as that was just way too easy last week, but I'll def be tuning in.
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The most athletic QB the Giants have ever had. Get the guy a line and a receiver .
That is a ridiculous statement. Even if you discount some of the older guys, Mahomes, Wilson, Watson, Burrow, Murray, Herbert, Josh Allen are all playing far better than Jones.
And anyone disregarding Teddy Bridgewater just isn’t watching much football. He is on pace for 4,500 yds, 40 TD’s, while completing 72%, over 8 YPA, and only 9 INT’s. But I guess we’ll hear about how much talent he has around him.
DJ Moore is an absolute stud and Robbie Anderson is on Slayton's level and throw in Curtis Samuel for good measure. They are actually very similar players. I like Teddy, but he absolutely does have a lot of talent around him.
He'll make some plays, he won't make other plays- he's not great at anything. "Fix the o-line!" "Get great receivers!" WTF, if we were going to do that, we didn't need to spend the 6th pick in the draft.
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Yes. Same goes for Lawrence. And the same went for Leinert, Jamarcus Russell, Rosen, Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, Akili Smith, and so on.
I'm glad you brought up Lawrence, actually.
The Clemson program is a recruiting machine and they are loaded everywhere. So we should absolutely consider that when evaluating Lawrence.
This is why I don't understand people acting like TL is some sure thing. There's a bigger body of work there than Fields and people love pointing to his Bama performance, but Bama's D was trash that year.
They are both really good prospects that essentially have the same "weakness". Plus Fields has the Ryan Day factor. I don't understand how people just discount this. You don't know how a guy is going to react mentally under heavy duress, which is the norm for the NFL. Truthfully, I was leaning towards possibly taking a QB this year until Thursday. I think it's pretty apparent DJ is going to be a solid 8-12 perennial type. Now if Fields and Lawrence were doing this at mediocre programs I'd be fully onboard on jettising DJ, but its such a giant question mark you won't get an answer to. They'll be another small sample size of games you can look at end of the year, but statisticians will tell you everything you need to know about those.
The standards on college QBs change depending on the argument. When the argument was that Eli needed to be replaced, people claimed college QBs needed to be winners. Nobody has won bigger than TL.
Now the argument is his team is too good. You want someone who put up big stats in the Colonial conference.
This is frivolous. Top QBs can and do come from juggernaut college programs.
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Is it telling that some of Jones' weaknesses in college were pinned on his receiving corp and here we are at the pro level and his weaknesses are being pinned on his receiving corp. Maybe the issue lies somewhere in between.
Are you trying to say the Panthers WR corps and the Giants WR corp is similar? The Giants may have the worst WR group in the league. I don't think that's really debateable.
I mean just look at how much better DJ looked with Shephard out there and he's pretty much a run of the mill number 2 guy.
It's a legitimate question. How will a QB fare under the type of pressure he'll see in the NFL without his WRs dominating 1v1 battles against the blitz? I think TL, and I'm coming around to Fields as well, are great prospects, but they are going to struggle to answer that and the reason you can't just be like these guys are a sure things. They look the part, but lots of guys looked the part that went on to suck in the NFL. You just don't know how a guy is mentally going to answer that question.
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In the last 20 years or more that has what Fields appears to have. None have got my attention as a top of the draft QB and potential NFL star. Not Haskins, Pryor, Barrett, Cardale Jones, none of them. Go through the list. None have the complete package that Fields has. There's a lot of football yet to go and a lot to happen prior to the draft, but to me right now, I'm not writing him off.
If you watched what Wilson and Murray did tonight, not to mention what Mahomes has done, he could be that kind of playmaker from the QB position but at more prototypical QB size.
I find it hard to judge Fields for one reason: When he drops back to pass, it looks like he's in an isolation tank with not a single defender near him and he's playing a casual game of toss. You could cement his feet to the ground and he still wouldn't be touched.
Yep this is exactly my point too. Just because he puts up gawdy stats at OSU doesn't tell us much more than he should be in the conversation. A lot of QB's would put up gawdy stats in that position. Lets see what happens at the private workouts where teams put him through their paces. Could he be the next Cam, or could he be the next Rosen, can't tell right now. However people shouldn't be getting all fired up over his stats (or Lawrence for that matter), for every Peyton there is a Leinert (QB from big school with loads of talent who ends up being average)
The stats have nothing to do with it. It's watching him and what he does, how he moves, the arm strength and accuracy. This is not a stats-based argument, I'm basing my opinion on watching him.
Many on this site, even those who are generally not fans of DJ have likened him to Tannehill. Objectively there are many things to like about DJ (accuracy, mobility) while also acknowledging his faults (pocket feel, fumbling).
If he can cut down on the TO's (which is very reasonable... other successful QB's have started their careers with TO issues only to eventually overcome them) and be a solid top 10-15 QB is that enough? Especially if you build around him, which needs to be done regardless.
it just seems like so many on here have written him off b/c he isn't Mahomes in year 2 and have us chasing another QB... all while the rest of our team is in dire need of a talent infusion.
I root for all of the kids to do well, to enhance the game etc.
On this page the Giants draft in part based on hype and odds on success. Finding the tweeners, players overlooked in later rounds able to play well past there rookie deals seems like a twilight zone of sorts.
Teams like the Cards can rebuild, Steelers constantly retooling, Ravens being a constant, as others follow, 50 feet of sludge .... then there is us and the Jets..
The Bengals seem GASP .. seem to have a better plan.
If Fields is available do we go typical copy kat?
My gut says we stick with Jones.
He deserves the rest of this year to showcase what he has.
There are two low odds shots at the Giants even entertaining the notion of drafting Lawrence. Meaning, there is no shot.
I can't remember the names available but 1-2 of them were very interesting. Maybe Garrapolo?
are you confident you will have seen what he can truly offer when you, me (and most others) acknowledge this is perhaps the most talent-less, poorly constructed roster in recent Giants history.
wouldn't you be at least slightly curious what Jones could do behind a competent O Line and running game, and with receivers who get open and make plays?
i guess that is my point... Personally I have seen enough that I think DJ is at least a competent QB and he may grow to be more than that.
so I would rather we build around him (competently) and then determine if he is good enough or if we need to get a better QB who will then have the benefit of a decent team around them.
again, this all assume we replace DG with a GM who can make a team better.
Many on this site, even those who are generally not fans of DJ have likened him to Tannehill. Objectively there are many things to like about DJ (accuracy, mobility) while also acknowledging his faults (pocket feel, fumbling).
If he can cut down on the TO's (which is very reasonable... other successful QB's have started their careers with TO issues only to eventually overcome them) and be a solid top 10-15 QB is that enough? Especially if you build around him, which needs to be done regardless.
it just seems like so many on here have written him off b/c he isn't Mahomes in year 2 and have us chasing another QB... all while the rest of our team is in dire need of a talent infusion.
You take that approach UNLESS you have a shot at an elite talent. Last night during SNF, Collinsworth was discussing Kingsbury's decision to draft Murray #1 overall when they just drafted Rosen the year prior. He said he wanted to draft Bosa #1 but when he was evaluating Murray, even though he didn't want to like him, he just saw an elite, difference-making player at the QB position that he had to draft.
So should it be with the Giants. You can win with Jones, I believe that. However, there is no greater difference maker when it comes to on-field success and in the win column than an elite QB that is a creator. You watch Wilson and Murray last night, they are incredible talents, and very often create offense, big plays even, when the called play breaks down. This is one facet of Jones' game that I believe is missing, and I think it's not something you can teach or learn, you just have to have it. Jones can run fast, but that isn't the same as being elusive or moving well in the pocket, feeling the pressure and escaping.
So, if an opportunity for an elite player at the QB position presents itself, you don't continue to try to plug all the holes with Jones, you take the elite talent at QB, because he's going to be able to win for you WITH the holes on your roster.
I'm not saying Fields is it. I'm very confident that Lawrence is, I've seen enough. But what I've seen of Fields, he definitely has a chance to be a player like a Russell Wilson.
And people get too caught up in the other roster holes in any one draft. This is not the way to think. The draft is about the next 4 years. The 1st round is about the next 5 years (or more). You also have free agency, and just because you don't plug a hole in the first round, doesn't mean you don't have other rounds to address positions.
This team, as much as it needs an impact receiver and edge rusher, needs more talent at a lot of positions, particularly depth talent. They need to draft better in the 4th round and later, and they need to try and get more picks by trading players that aren't part of the future.
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In the last 20 years or more that has what Fields appears to have. None have got my attention as a top of the draft QB and potential NFL star. Not Haskins, Pryor, Barrett, Cardale Jones, none of them. Go through the list. None have the complete package that Fields has. There's a lot of football yet to go and a lot to happen prior to the draft, but to me right now, I'm not writing him off.
If you watched what Wilson and Murray did tonight, not to mention what Mahomes has done, he could be that kind of playmaker from the QB position but at more prototypical QB size.
I find it hard to judge Fields for one reason: When he drops back to pass, it looks like he's in an isolation tank with not a single defender near him and he's playing a casual game of toss. You could cement his feet to the ground and he still wouldn't be touched.
Yep this is exactly my point too. Just because he puts up gawdy stats at OSU doesn't tell us much more than he should be in the conversation. A lot of QB's would put up gawdy stats in that position. Lets see what happens at the private workouts where teams put him through their paces. Could he be the next Cam, or could he be the next Rosen, can't tell right now. However people shouldn't be getting all fired up over his stats (or Lawrence for that matter), for every Peyton there is a Leinert (QB from big school with loads of talent who ends up being average)
The stats have nothing to do with it. It's watching him and what he does, how he moves, the arm strength and accuracy. This is not a stats-based argument, I'm basing my opinion on watching him.
Here is what I am saying. First you are right don't go by stats. However you also can't go by an evaluation that is being done in an ideal condition. Any QB's accuracy and mechanics will definitely be affected by getting a good pass rush, having to make a read faster and pull the trigger earlier, and having a WR who has 1/2 step rather than 3 yards of separation. These are the more normal game conditions in the NFL, not what TL or Fields are playing with on their college teams. Andrew Thomas fundamentals looked good too against Miss St, but now we see against NFL players he has a real issue with NFL players beating him inside. You need to try your best to see players in the NFL environment
then we're not going anywhere for years, for while most of the NFL seems to understand that great QBs present themselves by year 2, we have to wait five years to see if DJ's mediocre play improves. I guess maybe the Bears did this with Trubisky. Did the Titans wait so long for Mariota?