We've had a top-12 pick in: 2014, 2015, 2016, 2018, 2019 (with two other first round picks) and 2020. And bear in mind, that also means we had high picks in the other rounds.
And we're still a complete dumpster fire. This team lacks talent from top to bottom. It's an old adage that you build through the draft. Well, the last two architects, Jerry Reese and Dave Gettleman, have destroyed this team through the Draft.
This can't continue. It's completely unacceptable and is a major reason why we're statistically the worst team in the NFL since 2017 (13-42). In fact, the next losingest team, the Jets, have 3 more wins than us during that same time period.
Enough is enough.
Make it clear that this organization needs a complete overhaul. I think we all agree that Gettleman has to go. But they also need to shake up the scouting department (and maybe that means Chris Mara. I don't know. I think any of us do).
They took a good step with hiring an outsider as head coach. Whether Joe Judge pans out or not, I don't know. But it's good that they decided to bring in new blood. Now the same has to be done for the front office.
because you build through the draft.
because you build through the draft.
Why would you? Trade away your best players, you have nothing to build on.
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but the Giants should trade any of the players on the team right now who have any value and get more draft picks. And not even early round picks, the Giants need 6th and 7th round picks.
because you build through the draft.
Why would you? Trade away your best players, you have nothing to build on.
I was being sarcastic.
Like picking the 20th best player in the draft (Thomas) at 4th over-all. Is that what you mean ?
There's a parallel universe where the Giants have Bradley Chubb, Josh Allen (JAX), AJ Brown, DK Metcalf, and Justin Herbert.
Insert self-immolation gif here.
Yes! Too much concern about draft position, It's all about who does the picking! A team like the Steelers regularly picks in the bottom half of the draft and yet regularly comes up with excellent players.
There's a parallel universe where the Giants have Bradley Chubb, Josh Allen (JAX), AJ Brown, DK Metcalf, and Justin Herbert.
Insert self-immolation gif here.
Just FYI...Metcalf was a second rounder.
But the point still stands and there are probably another dozen players that work.
because you build through the draft.
It sounds better when you call it draft capital. Draft picks sounds like a lottery. Draft capital? That’s something you INVEST.
Josh Allen
AJ Brown
DK Metcalf
I know it's hindsight, but when you miss as much as this front office has with premium picks it isn't an accident.
There's a parallel universe where the Giants have Bradley Chubb, Josh Allen (JAX), AJ Brown, DK Metcalf, and Justin Herbert.
Insert self-immolation gif here.
Orlando Brown in the 3rd would’ve made sense for a team with pretty much nothing along the OL.
3 years in with a trash OL and nothing in the pass rush dept is inexcusable.
Until they build a foundation on both lines and Edge rusher(s) we will continually be outmatched against quality teams.
you really think Jones is going to be a top player? Really?
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Way to early to give up. I honestly think they will all be top players. Throw in lower picks Peart, Slayton, Hernandez, and hopefully McKinney too.
you really think Jones is going to be a top player? Really?
Yes really
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Way to early to give up. I honestly think they will all be top players. Throw in lower picks Peart, Slayton, Hernandez, and hopefully McKinney too.
you really think Jones is going to be a top player? Really?
Yes really
how long do you think we have to wait? because QBs are popping in their first and second years these days.
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Way to early to give up. I honestly think they will all be top players. Throw in lower picks Peart, Slayton, Hernandez, and hopefully McKinney too.
you really think Jones is going to be a top player? Really?
Yes really
An I also honestly think it is way too earlier to give up on a promising QB too (even if I'm wrong). He's only in year 2, on a bad team.
Thought he was another "generational" talent who was going to change the NFL?
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Way to early to give up. I honestly think they will all be top players. Throw in lower picks Peart, Slayton, Hernandez, and hopefully McKinney too.
you really think Jones is going to be a top player? Really?
Yes really
An I also honestly think it is way too earlier to give up on a promising QB too (even if I'm wrong). He's only in year 2, on a bad team.
I think he has to show it this season. I hope you;re right and he comes around by the end of the year. I look at Herbert and Kyler and think, that's the kind of talent and production you need from your QB, especially a top pick.
Strong OL? No.
Dynamic pass catchers? No.
Game defining edge rushers? No.
Lock down secondary? No.
Even if Gettleman's picks had worked out at a league average rate, it's tough to see the logic on the macro level. He's just been a huge, pathetic, embarrassing failure.
Strong OL? No.
Dynamic pass catchers? No.
Game defining edge rushers? No.
Lock down secondary? No.
Even if Gettleman's picks had worked out at a league average rate, it's tough to see the logic on the macro level. He's just been a huge, pathetic, embarrassing failure.
Look, maybe nobody knows what the hell they're doing. Maybe it's all random and luck and it is impossible to tell who will be a great player. Posit that for a second. Gettleman is doing far less than well than a rando with a blindfold. It's kind of shocking how bad he has been. He literally seems to have no plan.
because you build through the draft.
I agree. I just don't want Gettleman making any of those picks.
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Way to early to give up. I honestly think they will all be top players. Throw in lower picks Peart, Slayton, Hernandez, and hopefully McKinney too.
you really think Jones is going to be a top player? Really?
I do! Jones is more than capable.
Traded Odell and has drafted only 1 wr in 3 years ( Slayton). Brings in Tate as the answer..LBs and OL for days.
The plan is to luck into talent ...
Yeah, didn't work for the Rams, 49ers, or Browns, right? The problem with tanking, if you're GM still sucks, you're right, it's pointless. Even Miami is starting to look better, especially on defense. If you hit on a GM, tanking absolutely works. How would it not, you can draft the best available player in every round for multiple years.
Traded Odell and has drafted only 1 wr in 3 years ( Slayton). Brings in Tate as the answer..LBs and OL for days.
The plan is to luck into talent ...
The thing that bugs me the most about DG and his guys is that they seem to love drafting boring (on and off the field) players for a boring old school offensive scheme. Id take a bad Reese team over a bad DG team any day.
So because the Giants have had a terrible front office for a while now it makes the tanking argument dumb?
No.
The only thing this shows is that no matter how high you pick, you still need a good front office.
Says nothing about the "tanking" part.
If the draft were dumb luck - there wouldn't be teams like Seattle, Pitt, SF, NO, Balt, NE...etc.
If the draft were dumb luck - there wouldn't be teams like Seattle, Pitt, SF, NO, Balt, NE...etc.
That’s my point. All those teams consistently pick at the bottom of the draft.
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I guess he’s been struggling?
Thought he was another "generational" talent who was going to change the NFL?
People said he would be an interesting player who could be lined up all over the field and create mismatch problems, but nobody called him "generational".
If the draft were dumb luck - there wouldn't be teams like Seattle, Pitt, SF, NO, Balt, NE...etc.
According to Mara last year at his presser he was over the moon thrilled with the new grading system/scouting/process Gettleman has installed.
Paying real dividends.
It is bizarre how, in an era of free agency that makes it so much easier to build strong rosters than it was in the past, to have teams like the Jets and Giants who perennially suck.
I didn't expect this years team to be a dramatic improvement over last season - but somehow, the futility prevails. At this point, ownership begins to come into focus as the problem.
Excuse me? What's our record? What was our record last year? What was our record the year before that? What talent is on this team?
Take off the rose-colored glasses, Ryan and see things for how they truly are. There is a bleak future ahead of us.
I paid very close attention to the last 6 minutes of the Eagles game. Anakim is absolutely correct “dumpster fire”.
Baker is a felon.
Hernandez is "average" at best.
Lawrence is solid and will get better but by how much?
Jones is a quality starter in my book but will he turn it over more than you like due to his style?
Thomas the rookie is struggling though many rookie LT's have a hard time in the NFL as rookies - and those guys had full camps!
McKinney, a safety with talent, hurt in camp.
Ximines "average" at best.
Carter tears Achilles but was proving to be ok at least.
No stars yet. I have hopes that Thomas, Peart, McKinney, Holmes, Jones, Lawrence and even Barkley (ACL) and Slayton develop into studs that can be counted. But we will likely have a Top 4 pick and we need to pick a stud. We need a 2nd round stud too. We need to sign 2 or 3 UFA's that are "Bradberry & Martinez" type signings - quality for reasonable price.
We need a new GM; new FO; but keep Judge and staff. we need a lot.