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Jim in Forest Hills : 10/25/2020 11:16 pm
Lockett catches everything. Hopkins also incredible. Makes the Engram drop even more painful.
Also Metcalf running at 22mph  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/25/2020 11:19 pm : link
On that int really illustrates how damn fast jones was running.
Russell Wilson...  
bw in dc : 10/25/2020 11:21 pm : link
could probably make Engram look great. The guy makes the best chicken salad in the NFL.
This isn’t the same game as what the Giants play...  
trueblueinpw : 10/25/2020 11:25 pm : link
The Cards sure did turn it around quickly. I guess the Mayor of Munchinville had something to do with that.

And even though Wilson plays behind a meh o line he still makes plays. Amazing.
RE: Russell Wilson...  
Producer : 10/25/2020 11:31 pm : link
In comment 15024621 bw in dc said:
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could probably make Engram look great. The guy makes the best chicken salad in the NFL.


Wilson is stunning..

by the way i would note, they have dropped some passes here, but Wilson and Kyler come back with more catch-able balls. It's not like there is one play and if a guy drops it, that's all she wrote. These guys make plays after drops.
These two teams make the Giants look like 1920's football  
Go Terps : 10/25/2020 11:34 pm : link
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Murray is awesome...  
bw in dc : 10/25/2020 11:44 pm : link
JFC
Wow  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/25/2020 11:45 pm : link
Clutch drive at the end to get to OT
What a great, great drive...  
bw in dc : 10/25/2020 11:45 pm : link
by Murray.
NFC West...  
bw in dc : 10/25/2020 11:46 pm : link
makes the NFC East look like NAIA football.
That heads up play by Larry Fitz  
Sonic Youth : 10/25/2020 11:47 pm : link
is an example of one of veteran helping the team in a way that doesn't show up on the stat sheet.
kyler  
Producer : 10/25/2020 11:49 pm : link
quick thinking, quick reax
Someone needs to tell Arizona  
Go Terps : 10/25/2020 11:49 pm : link
Rebuilds in the NFL are supposed to take 5 years, not 2.
RE: What a great, great drive...  
chopperhatch : 10/25/2020 11:50 pm : link
In comment 15024635 bw in dc said:
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by Murray.


Blatant hold by Humphries kept the drive alive. Murray was about to get obliterated by 92.
RE: Someone needs to tell Arizona  
Producer : 10/25/2020 11:50 pm : link
In comment 15024639 Go Terps said:
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Rebuilds in the NFL are supposed to take 5 years, not 2.


7 years is ideal.
RE: That heads up play by Larry Fitz  
bw in dc : 10/25/2020 11:51 pm : link
In comment 15024637 Sonic Youth said:
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is an example of one of veteran helping the team in a way that doesn't show up on the stat sheet.


So glad NBC highlighted that. Very smart football player and play.
RE: Someone needs to tell Arizona  
BrettNYG10 : 10/25/2020 11:53 pm : link
In comment 15024639 Go Terps said:
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Rebuilds in the NFL are supposed to take 5 years, not 2.


Haha
Must be nice to have...  
bw in dc : 10/25/2020 11:53 pm : link
a bunch of fast athletes who know how to tackle and block.
Byron Murphy Jr.  
Anakim : 10/25/2020 11:54 pm : link
Who I wanted more than Deandre Baker. Who was taken after Deandre Baker. Who...


Ah, never mind
So  
Toth029 : 10/25/2020 11:55 pm : link
Now it's Jones' fault Engram has been dropping the most from his position since 2017.

These posts, man.
RE: Byron Murphy Jr.  
Toth029 : 10/25/2020 11:56 pm : link
In comment 15024646 Anakim said:
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Who I wanted more than Deandre Baker. Who was taken after Deandre Baker. Who...


Ah, never mind

He played as poorly as Baker did last year IIRC.
CB Byron Murphy with a huge sack... picked after DeAndre Baker  
sb from NYT Forum : 10/25/2020 11:57 pm : link
...derp!
RE: So  
bw in dc : 10/25/2020 11:57 pm : link
In comment 15024647 Toth029 said:
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Now it's Jones' fault Engram has been dropping the most from his position since 2017.

These posts, man.


No, that wasn't the point. It was a tribute to Wilson's ability to somehow make his teammates play great.
RE: Someone needs to tell Arizona  
Greg from LI : 10/25/2020 11:57 pm : link
In comment 15024639 Go Terps said:
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Rebuilds in the NFL are supposed to take 5 years, not 2.


They were 3-13 in 2018, two losses worse that the Giants with a much worse point differential. Somehow they're 4-2 and playing toe to toe with one of the league's best teams while the Giants will be lucky to win 4 games all season.

Heckuva job,Dave Gettleman.
RE: RE: Byron Murphy Jr.  
Anakim : 10/25/2020 11:58 pm : link
In comment 15024648 Toth029 said:
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Who I wanted more than Deandre Baker. Who was taken after Deandre Baker. Who...


Ah, never mind


He played as poorly as Baker did last year IIRC.


He did and he's played much better this year by most accounts
Kyler  
Producer : 10/25/2020 11:58 pm : link
is knocking off the best team in the NFC tonight... think Daniel Jones can do that?
RE: RE: RE: Byron Murphy Jr.  
sb from NYT Forum : 10/25/2020 11:59 pm : link
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Who I wanted more than Deandre Baker. Who was taken after Deandre Baker. Who...


Ah, never mind


He played as poorly as Baker did last year IIRC.



He did and he's played much better this year by most accounts


Plus he hasn't been indicted for any felonies IIRC.
“All depends on how fast the puppies come along.” - DG.  
bceagle05 : 10/25/2020 11:59 pm : link
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Strange move by Kingsbury...  
bw in dc : 10/26/2020 12:00 am : link
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I think kicking it here is a bad idea.  
BrettNYG10 : 10/26/2020 12:00 am : link
Will probably work out well, but would prefer another run or two.
Collinsworth called it a flag football game  
ghost718 : 10/26/2020 12:00 am : link
I turned it off after the Wagner unnecessary roughness
OUCH  
Anakim : 10/26/2020 12:00 am : link
Tough break
RE: I think kicking it here is a bad idea.  
BrettNYG10 : 10/26/2020 12:00 am : link
In comment 15024657 BrettNYG10 said:
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Will probably work out well, but would prefer another run or two.


lol
RE: RE: Byron Murphy Jr.  
chopperhatch : 10/26/2020 12:01 am : link
In comment 15024648 Toth029 said:
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Who I wanted more than Deandre Baker. Who was taken after Deandre Baker. Who...


Ah, never mind


He played as poorly as Baker did last year IIRC.


He's a GM in training. Give him a break.
RE: Someone needs to tell Arizona  
bw in dc : 10/26/2020 12:01 am : link
In comment 15024639 Go Terps said:
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Rebuilds in the NFL are supposed to take 5 years, not 2.


And they traded their top ten QB after one year.
RE: Kyler  
PetesHereNow : 10/26/2020 12:02 am : link
In comment 15024653 Producer said:
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is knocking off the best team in the NFC tonight... think Daniel Jones can do that?


Wake me when Daniel Jones has a number 1 WR like Hopkins, a number 2 like Fitzgerald, a number 3 like Kirk, and an actual TE.
The...  
bw in dc : 10/26/2020 12:02 am : link
Serendipity Seahawks are unbelievable.
RE: RE: Someone needs to tell Arizona  
Anakim : 10/26/2020 12:03 am : link
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Rebuilds in the NFL are supposed to take 5 years, not 2.



And they traded their top ten QB after one year.


And their other top-10 pick, Simmons, has done jackshit
RE: RE: Kyler  
bw in dc : 10/26/2020 12:03 am : link
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is knocking off the best team in the NFC tonight... think Daniel Jones can do that?



Wake me when Daniel Jones has a number 1 WR like Hopkins, a number 2 like Fitzgerald, a number 3 like Kirk, and an actual TE.


So Jones would be as effective as Murray if he played with the Cards?
It’s like magic...  
trueblueinpw : 10/26/2020 12:04 am : link
Wilson
One thing that’s discouraging  
lax counsel : 10/26/2020 12:04 am : link
Is that the cardinals were arguably in worse shape or than the Giants two years ago. That team was a mess. Somehow they are toe to toe with one of the best teams in football. Murray is impressive. Kinda blows some holes in the theory that it takes “seasons” to rebuild...not a good look for DG and co.
He's out of f-cking mind...  
bw in dc : 10/26/2020 12:05 am : link
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RE: The...  
chopperhatch : 10/26/2020 12:05 am : link
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Serendipity Seahawks are unbelievable.


To be fair, they deserve it after that missed hold. The DE had the tackle completely beaten around the edge, was headlocked and tackled before Murray threw the ball.
RE: RE: RE: Kyler  
Producer : 10/26/2020 12:05 am : link
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is knocking off the best team in the NFC tonight... think Daniel Jones can do that?



Wake me when Daniel Jones has a number 1 WR like Hopkins, a number 2 like Fitzgerald, a number 3 like Kirk, and an actual TE.



So Jones would be as effective as Murray if he played with the Cards?


that's the clear implication of the statement. Talent doesn't matter for a QB, it's all about the supporting cast.
RE: RE: RE: Kyler  
PetesHereNow : 10/26/2020 12:06 am : link
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is knocking off the best team in the NFC tonight... think Daniel Jones can do that?



Wake me when Daniel Jones has a number 1 WR like Hopkins, a number 2 like Fitzgerald, a number 3 like Kirk, and an actual TE.



So Jones would be as effective as Murray if he played with the Cards?


Maybe not but at least he’d have a fighting chance as opposed to the shit we’ve surrounded both him and Eli with since about 2013.
RE: One thing that’s discouraging  
Producer : 10/26/2020 12:06 am : link
In comment 15024668 lax counsel said:
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Is that the cardinals were arguably in worse shape or than the Giants two years ago. That team was a mess. Somehow they are toe to toe with one of the best teams in football. Murray is impressive. Kinda blows some holes in the theory that it takes “seasons” to rebuild...not a good look for DG and co.


it's not arguable. They WERE in much worse shape than the Giants.
RE: RE: The...  
bw in dc : 10/26/2020 12:07 am : link
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Serendipity Seahawks are unbelievable.



To be fair, they deserve it after that missed hold. The DE had the tackle completely beaten around the edge, was headlocked and tackled before Murray threw the ball.


The league said they aren't calling holding as much... ;)
Man, DK Metcalf is so fucking good  
Anakim : 10/26/2020 12:07 am : link
No idea how went at the end of Round 2. Someone with his size and speed? He's a rare one.
RE: RE: RE: The...  
chopperhatch : 10/26/2020 12:08 am : link
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Serendipity Seahawks are unbelievable.



To be fair, they deserve it after that missed hold. The DE had the tackle completely beaten around the edge, was headlocked and tackled before Murray threw the ball.



The league said they aren't calling holding as much... ;)


You were saying?
RE: RE: RE: Someone needs to tell Arizona  
Anakim : 10/26/2020 12:08 am : link
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Rebuilds in the NFL are supposed to take 5 years, not 2.



And they traded their top ten QB after one year.



And their other top-10 pick, Simmons, has done jackshit


Until now. Haha
Actually a good call...  
bw in dc : 10/26/2020 12:08 am : link
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Ha! Simmons with the pick.  
bceagle05 : 10/26/2020 12:08 am : link
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RE: RE: RE: Someone needs to tell Arizona  
BrettNYG10 : 10/26/2020 12:08 am : link
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Rebuilds in the NFL are supposed to take 5 years, not 2.



And they traded their top ten QB after one year.



And their other top-10 pick, Simmons, has done jackshit


Go on.
there's  
Producer : 10/26/2020 12:09 am : link
Simmons..
RE: RE: RE: Someone needs to tell Arizona  
sb from NYT Forum : 10/26/2020 12:09 am : link
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Rebuilds in the NFL are supposed to take 5 years, not 2.



And they traded their top ten QB after one year.



And their other top-10 pick, Simmons, has done jackshit


Your timing is impeccable!
Isiah Simmons...  
bw in dc : 10/26/2020 12:09 am : link
alert!
RE: RE: RE: RE: Kyler  
PetesHereNow : 10/26/2020 12:10 am : link
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is knocking off the best team in the NFC tonight... think Daniel Jones can do that?



Wake me when Daniel Jones has a number 1 WR like Hopkins, a number 2 like Fitzgerald, a number 3 like Kirk, and an actual TE.



So Jones would be as effective as Murray if he played with the Cards?



that's the clear implication of the statement. Talent doesn't matter for a QB, it's all about the supporting cast.


Football isn’t as clear cut as “Quarterback not throw touchdown, Quarterback bad. Team not win. Must draft another one”
This game has everything  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/26/2020 12:10 am : link
Need Stefon to describe it
Seahawks...  
bw in dc : 10/26/2020 12:11 am : link
are the best show in the NFL.
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Producer : 10/26/2020 12:12 am : link
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is knocking off the best team in the NFC tonight... think Daniel Jones can do that?



Wake me when Daniel Jones has a number 1 WR like Hopkins, a number 2 like Fitzgerald, a number 3 like Kirk, and an actual TE.



So Jones would be as effective as Murray if he played with the Cards?



that's the clear implication of the statement. Talent doesn't matter for a QB, it's all about the supporting cast.



Football isn’t as clear cut as “Quarterback not throw touchdown, Quarterback bad. Team not win. Must draft another one”


In today's NFL, if you want to be a perennial playoff team, 10 out of 12 years. And a shot at multiple SBs, get a top-8 QB. You're not doing that with a bottom half QB, which is what we got.
And the Cardinals win!  
Anakim : 10/26/2020 12:12 am : link
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fun game  
Producer : 10/26/2020 12:13 am : link
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Steve Keim...  
bw in dc : 10/26/2020 12:13 am : link
is getting the last laugh.

Cardinals get a real character win  
Anakim : 10/26/2020 12:13 am : link
Meanwhile, the best we get are moral victories
Wow what a war  
sb from NYT Forum : 10/26/2020 12:13 am : link
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RE: Cardinals get a real character win  
Producer : 10/26/2020 12:14 am : link
In comment 15024692 Anakim said:
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Meanwhile, the best we get are moral victories


we ALMOST beat that 1-5-1 team
RE: RE: Someone needs to tell Arizona  
Leg of Theismann : 10/26/2020 12:14 am : link
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Rebuilds in the NFL are supposed to take 5 years, not 2.



7 years is ideal.


If you expect we’re just going to be able to turn things around with 7 offseasons of drafts and FA and a snap of the fingers, you’ve got another thing coming. Rebuilds take at least 16 years. It’s important to be the worst team in the NFL for at least a decade, or at least until our joint owners are at each other’s throats and the commissioner is forced to pick a GM for us. THEN the real rebuild can begin and we can possibly be competitive several years after that.
I just want to make sure...  
bw in dc : 10/26/2020 12:15 am : link
I have this straight because it was suggested above...

If Daniel Jones was the Cardinals QB tonight he'd be as great as Kyler Murray was?
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PetesHereNow : 10/26/2020 12:16 am : link
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is knocking off the best team in the NFC tonight... think Daniel Jones can do that?



Wake me when Daniel Jones has a number 1 WR like Hopkins, a number 2 like Fitzgerald, a number 3 like Kirk, and an actual TE.



So Jones would be as effective as Murray if he played with the Cards?



that's the clear implication of the statement. Talent doesn't matter for a QB, it's all about the supporting cast.



Football isn’t as clear cut as “Quarterback not throw touchdown, Quarterback bad. Team not win. Must draft another one”



In today's NFL, if you want to be a perennial playoff team, 10 out of 12 years. And a shot at multiple SBs, get a top-8 QB. You're not doing that with a bottom half QB, which is what we got.


I wonder what you would have called Eli Manning after that game vs. Minnesota in 2007. And no I’m not saying Jones will be Eli. I’m saying none of what you just said has been proven one way or the other.

All that has been proven is that the Giants are not a good football
team and have not been for a very long time.
RE: RE: RE: Someone needs to tell Arizona  
bw in dc : 10/26/2020 12:17 am : link
In comment 15024695 Leg of Theismann said:
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If you expect we’re just going to be able to turn things around with 7 offseasons of drafts and FA and a snap of the fingers, you’ve got another thing coming. Rebuilds take at least 16 years. It’s important to be the worst team in the NFL for at least a decade, or at least until our joint owners are at each other’s throats and the commissioner is forced to pick a GM for us. THEN the real rebuild can begin and we can possibly be competitive several years after that.


That was very funny...
Cards were not in worse shape than the Giants guys  
montanagiant : 10/26/2020 12:17 am : link
2013 - 10-6
2014 - 11-5
2015 - 13-3
2016 - 7-8-1
2017 - 8-8
2018 - 3-13
2019 - 5-10
RE: I just want to make sure...  
Go Terps : 10/26/2020 12:17 am : link
In comment 15024696 bw in dc said:
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I have this straight because it was suggested above...

If Daniel Jones was the Cardinals QB tonight he'd be as great as Kyler Murray was?


It was suggested all over the place on this board last year too. There have also been posters saying he's better than Lamar Jackson.
RE: I just want to make sure...  
widmerseyebrow : 10/26/2020 12:17 am : link
In comment 15024696 bw in dc said:
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I have this straight because it was suggested above...

If Daniel Jones was the Cardinals QB tonight he'd be as great as Kyler Murray was?


I mean, if Murray was in this upcoming draft, you don't just bail on Danny Dimes!
RE: I just want to make sure...  
PetesHereNow : 10/26/2020 12:18 am : link
In comment 15024696 bw in dc said:
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I have this straight because it was suggested above...

If Daniel Jones was the Cardinals QB tonight he'd be as great as Kyler Murray was?


You really do build great straw men arguments. I’m saying he’d have a lot better chance at being successful surrounded by the Cardinals offensive cast than he does with the Giants.
RE: Cards were not in worse shape than the Giants guys  
bw in dc : 10/26/2020 12:19 am : link
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2013 - 10-6
2014 - 11-5
2015 - 13-3
2016 - 7-8-1
2017 - 8-8
2018 - 3-13
2019 - 5-10


They've had 23 wins the last four seasons and no playoffs.
Every argument supporting Giants players is based in excuses  
Go Terps : 10/26/2020 12:19 am : link
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lax counsel : 10/26/2020 12:19 am : link
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is knocking off the best team in the NFC tonight... think Daniel Jones can do that?



Wake me when Daniel Jones has a number 1 WR like Hopkins, a number 2 like Fitzgerald, a number 3 like Kirk, and an actual TE.



So Jones would be as effective as Murray if he played with the Cards?



that's the clear implication of the statement. Talent doesn't matter for a QB, it's all about the supporting cast.



Football isn’t as clear cut as “Quarterback not throw touchdown, Quarterback bad. Team not win. Must draft another one”



In today's NFL, if you want to be a perennial playoff team, 10 out of 12 years. And a shot at multiple SBs, get a top-8 QB. You're not doing that with a bottom half QB, which is what we got.


Exactly, not sure why this is lost on a decent portion of BBI. You cannot have a middling qb and expect to compete on a yearly basis. It’s like some still think a team is built for 1985, run the ball, stop the run, and have a game manager under center who doesn’t make mistakes. The formula now is throw the ball, and rush the passer. Giants literally won with this in 2011.

I’m not sure if Jones is or isn’t a top 10 qb yet. But if he isn’t, you gotta cut bait before a second contract.

Also, impressive how the cardinals were able to rebuild and it not take years to do so. I lost count of what year this giants rebuild is on.
RE: Every argument supporting Giants players is based in excuses  
PetesHereNow : 10/26/2020 12:21 am : link
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Not really. The Giants suck. They have sucked for a long time. But, you can’t cut 50 guys every year. So you have to separate the wheat from the chaff.
RE: Every argument supporting Giants players is based in excuses  
lax counsel : 10/26/2020 12:22 am : link
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Yep and it’s unfortunate.
I know it’s cliche...  
trueblueinpw : 10/26/2020 12:23 am : link
But the Giants just aren’t playing the same game as what we all just watched. The difference in talent in all three phases of the game and I think also in coaching is so vast. Does anyone see the Giants beating one of these teams in the NFCC game over the next few years? We’re just so far away.
RE: I know it’s cliche...  
nygiants16 : 10/26/2020 12:26 am : link
In comment 15024709 trueblueinpw said:
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But the Giants just aren’t playing the same game as what we all just watched. The difference in talent in all three phases of the game and I think also in coaching is so vast. Does anyone see the Giants beating one of these teams in the NFCC game over the next few years? We’re just so far away.


Defense and running the ball still wins in the playoffs, their offenses are exciting and Wilson and Murray are very good but both teams play horrible defense..

Playing no defense will not win these teama anything
This game was more proof  
JoeyBigBlue : 10/26/2020 12:27 am : link
That elite franchise QBs elevate teams. Kyler Murray is quickly becoming that and the Cardinals are winning. Jones while being a nice player, isn’t a franchise changing QB.
RE: I know it’s cliche...  
JoeyBigBlue : 10/26/2020 12:29 am : link
In comment 15024709 trueblueinpw said:
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But the Giants just aren’t playing the same game as what we all just watched. The difference in talent in all three phases of the game and I think also in coaching is so vast. Does anyone see the Giants beating one of these teams in the NFCC game over the next few years? We’re just so far away.


Both teams made crucial turnovers in spots. They are beatable. It’s the talent gap in QB that separates those teams and ours.
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trueblueinpw : 10/26/2020 12:30 am : link
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But the Giants just aren’t playing the same game as what we all just watched. The difference in talent in all three phases of the game and I think also in coaching is so vast. Does anyone see the Giants beating one of these teams in the NFCC game over the next few years? We’re just so far away.



Defense and running the ball still wins in the playoffs, their offenses are exciting and Wilson and Murray are very good but both teams play horrible defense..

Playing no defense will not win these teama anything


So the Giants are building a defense? Not sure I’m following you. Both the Cards and the Hawks are heavily favored to be in the playoffs. Both those teams have playmakers on offense and defense. We have nothing.
RE: This game was more proof  
bw in dc : 10/26/2020 12:31 am : link
In comment 15024712 JoeyBigBlue said:
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That elite franchise QBs elevate teams. Kyler Murray is quickly becoming that and the Cardinals are winning. Jones while being a nice player, isn’t a franchise changing QB.


Murray is a total freak. He's got force multiplier written all over him.

And I don't care what they said he measured at the Combine, he's barely 5'8'. He and Wilson shook hands after the game and it looked like Wilson was greeting a jockey after the Kentucky Derby.
RE: This game was more proof  
PetesHereNow : 10/26/2020 12:32 am : link
In comment 15024712 JoeyBigBlue said:
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That elite franchise QBs elevate teams. Kyler Murray is quickly becoming that and the Cardinals are winning. Jones while being a nice player, isn’t a franchise changing QB.


Wait wait wait. It seems awfully convenient that Kyler Murray has taken this huge step forward when given a number 1 WR at his disposal in DeAndre Hopkins. It’s almost like career trajectories are improved when you put talent around young quarterbacks.
RE: This game was more proof  
nygiants16 : 10/26/2020 12:32 am : link
In comment 15024712 JoeyBigBlue said:
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That elite franchise QBs elevate teams. Kyler Murray is quickly becoming that and the Cardinals are winning. Jones while being a nice player, isn’t a franchise changing QB.


You think Murray is elevating that team without them adding Deandre Hopkins? he also has Fitz, Kirk is a good deep guy, they habe a dynamic running game...The offense fits Murray to a tee..

If Jones was the QB instead would they be as dynamic? probably not because Murray with his quick twitch runnign makes that offense go..

No QB is a suoerstar without a true nunber 1 receiver and good talent around them..none
RE: RE: RE: I know it’s cliche...  
nygiants16 : 10/26/2020 12:34 am : link
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But the Giants just aren’t playing the same game as what we all just watched. The difference in talent in all three phases of the game and I think also in coaching is so vast. Does anyone see the Giants beating one of these teams in the NFCC game over the next few years? We’re just so far away.



Defense and running the ball still wins in the playoffs, their offenses are exciting and Wilson and Murray are very good but both teams play horrible defense..

Playing no defense will not win these teama anything



So the Giants are building a defense? Not sure I’m following you. Both the Cards and the Hawks are heavily favored to be in the playoffs. Both those teams have playmakers on offense and defense. We have nothing.


Giants defense is much improved but that wasnt my point..

My point was that neither of these teama are built to win championships, they are great offenses and fun to watch but neither will be winning a championship
RE: RE: This game was more proof  
lax counsel : 10/26/2020 12:34 am : link
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That elite franchise QBs elevate teams. Kyler Murray is quickly becoming that and the Cardinals are winning. Jones while being a nice player, isn’t a franchise changing QB.



Wait wait wait. It seems awfully convenient that Kyler Murray has taken this huge step forward when given a number 1 WR at his disposal in DeAndre Hopkins. It’s almost like career trajectories are improved when you put talent around young quarterbacks.


No reason the giants can’t make a move like that in the offseason. They are allowed to add real talent as well. Cardinals oline was also worse than the giants in 2018.
RE: RE: This game was more proof  
bw in dc : 10/26/2020 12:36 am : link
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That elite franchise QBs elevate teams. Kyler Murray is quickly becoming that and the Cardinals are winning. Jones while being a nice player, isn’t a franchise changing QB.



Wait wait wait. It seems awfully convenient that Kyler Murray has taken this huge step forward when given a number 1 WR at his disposal in DeAndre Hopkins. It’s almost like career trajectories are improved when you put talent around young quarterbacks.


Just to be clear here - Murray has a plus-arm, a plus-plus speed, plus-plus quickness, and he's a plus-plus athlete. And he's won at every level.

Yes, he has talent. But he's a great talent to be the triggerman.
RE: RE: I know it’s cliche...  
trueblueinpw : 10/26/2020 12:36 am : link
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But the Giants just aren’t playing the same game as what we all just watched. The difference in talent in all three phases of the game and I think also in coaching is so vast. Does anyone see the Giants beating one of these teams in the NFCC game over the next few years? We’re just so far away.



Both teams made crucial turnovers in spots. They are beatable. It’s the talent gap in QB that separates those teams and ours.


So you think Kingsberry and Carroll are pretty much on the same plane as Judge? Just not sure I’m seeing that though I do remember Carroll when he was a young HC here and in NE. And Jones and Russ - pretty much the same except for the killer O line and wideouts? I mean, there’s no denying the Hawks and the Cards have more talented play makers outside but the lines and backs aren’t really spectacular are they? I guess the real question is the coaching and the QB1. Anyway, we aren’t close.
RE: RE: This game was more proof  
JoeyBigBlue : 10/26/2020 12:37 am : link
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That elite franchise QBs elevate teams. Kyler Murray is quickly becoming that and the Cardinals are winning. Jones while being a nice player, isn’t a franchise changing QB.



You think Murray is elevating that team without them adding Deandre Hopkins? he also has Fitz, Kirk is a good deep guy, they habe a dynamic running game...The offense fits Murray to a tee..

If Jones was the QB instead would they be as dynamic? probably not because Murray with his quick twitch runnign makes that offense go..

No QB is a suoerstar without a true nunber 1 receiver and good talent around them..none


Hopkins is a great player no doubt. Larry Fitz is washed up and pretty much done. Kirk is an Ok number 3.

Their running game isn’t good. Edmonds and Drake are both back up caliber runningbacks.

Murray is the reason they are winning. The kid is nightmare in the pocket because of athletic ability and his accurate and above average throwing arm. He makes that team GO.
RE: RE: RE: This game was more proof  
PetesHereNow : 10/26/2020 12:40 am : link
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That elite franchise QBs elevate teams. Kyler Murray is quickly becoming that and the Cardinals are winning. Jones while being a nice player, isn’t a franchise changing QB.



Wait wait wait. It seems awfully convenient that Kyler Murray has taken this huge step forward when given a number 1 WR at his disposal in DeAndre Hopkins. It’s almost like career trajectories are improved when you put talent around young quarterbacks.



No reason the giants can’t make a move like that in the offseason. They are allowed to add real talent as well. Cardinals oline was also worse than the giants in 2018.


Since 2018, what have we added on offense alongside Eli/Jones? The washed up husk that is Golden Tate?

Darius Slayton, that’s it. I like Slayton. I think he can be a starter in this league but with that said, he doesn’t start over Hopkins, Lockett, Metcalf, or Fitzgerald in the game tonight.

My point is more talent is needed.
RE: RE: RE: RE: This game was more proof  
JoeyBigBlue : 10/26/2020 12:42 am : link
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That elite franchise QBs elevate teams. Kyler Murray is quickly becoming that and the Cardinals are winning. Jones while being a nice player, isn’t a franchise changing QB.



Wait wait wait. It seems awfully convenient that Kyler Murray has taken this huge step forward when given a number 1 WR at his disposal in DeAndre Hopkins. It’s almost like career trajectories are improved when you put talent around young quarterbacks.



No reason the giants can’t make a move like that in the offseason. They are allowed to add real talent as well. Cardinals oline was also worse than the giants in 2018.



Since 2018, what have we added on offense alongside Eli/Jones? The washed up husk that is Golden Tate?

Darius Slayton, that’s it. I like Slayton. I think he can be a starter in this league but with that said, he doesn’t start over Hopkins, Lockett, Metcalf, or Fitzgerald in the game tonight.

My point is more talent is needed.


Slayton is better than Fitzgerald at this point. Larry is washed now.
Larry Fitzgerald  
JoeyBigBlue : 10/26/2020 12:44 am : link
Coming into today

21 catches
145 yards
6.9 yards
0 TDs


He has a huge fork sticking from his back.
We drafted Baker  
Mr. Nickels : 10/26/2020 12:52 am : link
over DK Metcalf..
RE: We drafted Baker  
Go Terps : 10/26/2020 1:08 am : link
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over DK Metcalf..


What's really sad is if we called Seattle tonight and offered Jones, Lawrence, and an uninflated football (which is more valuable to an NFL team than Baker) for Metcalf we would hear laughter just before they hung up.
RE: RE: Cards were not in worse shape than the Giants guys  
montanagiant : 10/26/2020 1:16 am : link
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2013 - 10-6
2014 - 11-5
2015 - 13-3
2016 - 7-8-1
2017 - 8-8
2018 - 3-13
2019 - 5-10



They've had 23 wins the last four seasons and no playoffs.

We've had 22 wins over the same period and 1 early playoff season. Come on, you know you're cherry-picking the years because if you go back two more seasons we have 12 wins and they have had 24 wins, 2 playoff seasons, one all the way to the NFC championship game so stop with the nonsense
RE: We drafted Baker  
santacruzom : 10/26/2020 1:21 am : link
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over DK Metcalf..


At this point, it's safe to say that taking anyone else over Baker would have been wise, let alone Metcalf.
At the end of the day.....  
Greg from LI : 10/26/2020 1:34 am : link
Dave Gettleman is an incompetent failure
RE: Larry Fitzgerald  
PetesHereNow : 10/26/2020 1:37 am : link
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Coming into today

21 catches
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He has a huge fork sticking from his back.


Fitz is clearly on the downside of his career but he has a different role now. He’s pretty much the safety outlet WR.
RE: At the end of the day.....  
montanagiant : 10/26/2020 1:47 am : link
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Dave Gettleman is an incompetent failure

I am beginning to believe you are correct
The one theme  
rocco8112 : 10/26/2020 5:19 am : link
I see repeated often here is to have patience and the Giants need more time. Many have stated Judge and the Giants still need two or three years to become an 8 win squad, or
even a winning team.

This is ridiculous.

If you have the right people and plan in place, you can become competitive and win much faster. No one is even saying a Super Bowl contender, just a competitive football team that can win 8 or more and be in the hunt. Not end every year before Halloween and lose seven of eight to start the season. It should not take more than half a decade to right the ship. Something is deeply wrong with the Giants. There have to be some wins, and soon. Would anyone be surprised if we all sit here next year around week eight and the Giants are 1-7 again, maybe worse? It is quite an accomplishment to be the worst team in in the current NFL.

The Cards imploded and are already rising and exciting. The Giants play the Cards and Seahawks back to back this year,both will likely be blowout losses.
Why are people comparing Jones to Murray?  
KDavies : 10/26/2020 6:54 am : link
Did I miss something? Did the Giants pass on Murray for Jones? I seem to recall Murray was drafted at #1 overall
Lot of Giant fans upset at how much media attention  
LBH15 : 10/26/2020 7:02 am : link
Kyler Murray was getting this past offseason versus Jones even though he threw for 20+ touchdowns last year.
Argue about Jones and what he will or won’t become all day  
Mike from Ohio : 10/26/2020 8:40 am : link
The problem is that until Gettleman goes, there is a good chance whoever is playing QB for the Giants will be playing with a patchwork line and poor skill players.

Most GMs can grab a playmaker with a top pick in the first round. Good GMs find serviceable players in later rounds. After Slayton, what late round player has even shown glimpses of being a starter in this league? What free agent signings have really bolstered a unit while young players develop?

Whether Jones is or could be a legit franchise QB is almost becoming a moot point because he is in an organization that is far removed from a history of being able to acquire and develop talent.
RE: Why are people comparing Jones to Murray?  
Go Terps : 10/26/2020 8:44 am : link
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Did I miss something? Did the Giants pass on Murray for Jones? I seem to recall Murray was drafted at #1 overall


If the Giants were picking number 1 in that draft, you think they take Murray? I would bet my house they wouldn't. I doubt he was even on their board.
RE: RE: Why are people comparing Jones to Murray?  
Dnew15 : 10/26/2020 8:46 am : link
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Did I miss something? Did the Giants pass on Murray for Jones? I seem to recall Murray was drafted at #1 overall



If the Giants were picking number 1 in that draft, you think they take Murray? I would bet my house they wouldn't. I doubt he was even on their board.


Agreed 100%
RE: RE: Why are people comparing Jones to Murray?  
KDavies : 10/26/2020 8:49 am : link
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Did I miss something? Did the Giants pass on Murray for Jones? I seem to recall Murray was drafted at #1 overall



If the Giants were picking number 1 in that draft, you think they take Murray? I would bet my house they wouldn't. I doubt he was even on their board.


So you are angry at the Giants now because they didn't draft a player they didn't have an opportunity to draft the #1 overall pick, because you are speculating he wasn't on their board anyway, even though the whole world knows he wouldn't be available when the Giants drafted, as the whole world knew the Cardinals loved him and would draft him #1 overall? That makes sense.
RE: RE: At the end of the day.....  
markky : 10/26/2020 9:25 am : link
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Dave Gettleman is an incompetent failure


I am beginning to believe you are correct


same. DG had 5 first and 2 second round draft picks in the last 3 years. he also traded for LW. that, with the right FA selections, should be enough to build the foundation of a team.
The NFL is predicated on parity  
adamg : 10/26/2020 9:36 am : link
DG hasn't failed once. He's failed three times. Maybe that says we shouldn't give him another shot?
RE: RE: RE: Why are people comparing Jones to Murray?  
lax counsel : 10/26/2020 10:13 am : link
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Did I miss something? Did the Giants pass on Murray for Jones? I seem to recall Murray was drafted at #1 overall



If the Giants were picking number 1 in that draft, you think they take Murray? I would bet my house they wouldn't. I doubt he was even on their board.



So you are angry at the Giants now because they didn't draft a player they didn't have an opportunity to draft the #1 overall pick, because you are speculating he wasn't on their board anyway, even though the whole world knows he wouldn't be available when the Giants drafted, as the whole world knew the Cardinals loved him and would draft him #1 overall? That makes sense.


Not to put words into Terps mouth, but I believe he is saying that the Giants are not a forward enough thinking organization to even have picked a player like Murray. Regardless of whether they had the ability to draft him. I tend to agree.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Why are people comparing Jones to Murray?  
KDavies : 10/26/2020 10:55 am : link
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Did I miss something? Did the Giants pass on Murray for Jones? I seem to recall Murray was drafted at #1 overall



If the Giants were picking number 1 in that draft, you think they take Murray? I would bet my house they wouldn't. I doubt he was even on their board.



So you are angry at the Giants now because they didn't draft a player they didn't have an opportunity to draft the #1 overall pick, because you are speculating he wasn't on their board anyway, even though the whole world knows he wouldn't be available when the Giants drafted, as the whole world knew the Cardinals loved him and would draft him #1 overall? That makes sense.



Not to put words into Terps mouth, but I believe he is saying that the Giants are not a forward enough thinking organization to even have picked a player like Murray. Regardless of whether they had the ability to draft him. I tend to agree.


What? A mobile QB? When we just had a QB who had an 80 yard run the other day, running faster than any QB since 2018. I don't tend to agree with that statement.
Kyler Murray isn't just mobile  
eclipz928 : 10/26/2020 11:37 am : link
he's athletic. That semantic is the difference between a QB running 90 yards for a TD, or him running 80 yards before tripping over his own feet.
Jones  
Simms : 10/26/2020 12:08 pm : link
For now is our guy, wish him the best.

Will say others teams have more life, spark on the field.
Its a good think they did not allow fans this season, stadium crowd would be ugly.



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