I see repeated often here is to have patience and the Giants need more time. Many have stated Judge and the Giants still need two or three years to become an 8 win squad, or
even a winning team.
This is ridiculous.
If you have the right people and plan in place, you can become competitive and win much faster. No one is even saying a Super Bowl contender, just a competitive football team that can win 8 or more and be in the hunt. Not end every year before Halloween and lose seven of eight to start the season. It should not take more than half a decade to right the ship. Something is deeply wrong with the Giants. There have to be some wins, and soon. Would anyone be surprised if we all sit here next year around week eight and the Giants are 1-7 again, maybe worse? It is quite an accomplishment to be the worst team in in the current NFL.
The Cards imploded and are already rising and exciting. The Giants play the Cards and Seahawks back to back this year,both will likely be blowout losses.
The problem is that until Gettleman goes, there is a good chance whoever is playing QB for the Giants will be playing with a patchwork line and poor skill players.
Most GMs can grab a playmaker with a top pick in the first round. Good GMs find serviceable players in later rounds. After Slayton, what late round player has even shown glimpses of being a starter in this league? What free agent signings have really bolstered a unit while young players develop?
Whether Jones is or could be a legit franchise QB is almost becoming a moot point because he is in an organization that is far removed from a history of being able to acquire and develop talent.
Did I miss something? Did the Giants pass on Murray for Jones? I seem to recall Murray was drafted at #1 overall
If the Giants were picking number 1 in that draft, you think they take Murray? I would bet my house they wouldn't. I doubt he was even on their board.
So you are angry at the Giants now because they didn't draft a player they didn't have an opportunity to draft the #1 overall pick, because you are speculating he wasn't on their board anyway, even though the whole world knows he wouldn't be available when the Giants drafted, as the whole world knew the Cardinals loved him and would draft him #1 overall? That makes sense.
same. DG had 5 first and 2 second round draft picks in the last 3 years. he also traded for LW. that, with the right FA selections, should be enough to build the foundation of a team.
Did I miss something? Did the Giants pass on Murray for Jones? I seem to recall Murray was drafted at #1 overall
If the Giants were picking number 1 in that draft, you think they take Murray? I would bet my house they wouldn't. I doubt he was even on their board.
So you are angry at the Giants now because they didn't draft a player they didn't have an opportunity to draft the #1 overall pick, because you are speculating he wasn't on their board anyway, even though the whole world knows he wouldn't be available when the Giants drafted, as the whole world knew the Cardinals loved him and would draft him #1 overall? That makes sense.
Not to put words into Terps mouth, but I believe he is saying that the Giants are not a forward enough thinking organization to even have picked a player like Murray. Regardless of whether they had the ability to draft him. I tend to agree.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Why are people comparing Jones to Murray?
Did I miss something? Did the Giants pass on Murray for Jones? I seem to recall Murray was drafted at #1 overall
If the Giants were picking number 1 in that draft, you think they take Murray? I would bet my house they wouldn't. I doubt he was even on their board.
So you are angry at the Giants now because they didn't draft a player they didn't have an opportunity to draft the #1 overall pick, because you are speculating he wasn't on their board anyway, even though the whole world knows he wouldn't be available when the Giants drafted, as the whole world knew the Cardinals loved him and would draft him #1 overall? That makes sense.
Not to put words into Terps mouth, but I believe he is saying that the Giants are not a forward enough thinking organization to even have picked a player like Murray. Regardless of whether they had the ability to draft him. I tend to agree.
What? A mobile QB? When we just had a QB who had an 80 yard run the other day, running faster than any QB since 2018. I don't tend to agree with that statement.
I am beginning to believe you are correct
even a winning team.
This is ridiculous.
If you have the right people and plan in place, you can become competitive and win much faster. No one is even saying a Super Bowl contender, just a competitive football team that can win 8 or more and be in the hunt. Not end every year before Halloween and lose seven of eight to start the season. It should not take more than half a decade to right the ship. Something is deeply wrong with the Giants. There have to be some wins, and soon. Would anyone be surprised if we all sit here next year around week eight and the Giants are 1-7 again, maybe worse? It is quite an accomplishment to be the worst team in in the current NFL.
The Cards imploded and are already rising and exciting. The Giants play the Cards and Seahawks back to back this year,both will likely be blowout losses.
Most GMs can grab a playmaker with a top pick in the first round. Good GMs find serviceable players in later rounds. After Slayton, what late round player has even shown glimpses of being a starter in this league? What free agent signings have really bolstered a unit while young players develop?
Whether Jones is or could be a legit franchise QB is almost becoming a moot point because he is in an organization that is far removed from a history of being able to acquire and develop talent.
If the Giants were picking number 1 in that draft, you think they take Murray? I would bet my house they wouldn't. I doubt he was even on their board.
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Did I miss something? Did the Giants pass on Murray for Jones? I seem to recall Murray was drafted at #1 overall
If the Giants were picking number 1 in that draft, you think they take Murray? I would bet my house they wouldn't. I doubt he was even on their board.
Agreed 100%
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Did I miss something? Did the Giants pass on Murray for Jones? I seem to recall Murray was drafted at #1 overall
If the Giants were picking number 1 in that draft, you think they take Murray? I would bet my house they wouldn't. I doubt he was even on their board.
So you are angry at the Giants now because they didn't draft a player they didn't have an opportunity to draft the #1 overall pick, because you are speculating he wasn't on their board anyway, even though the whole world knows he wouldn't be available when the Giants drafted, as the whole world knew the Cardinals loved him and would draft him #1 overall? That makes sense.
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Dave Gettleman is an incompetent failure
I am beginning to believe you are correct
same. DG had 5 first and 2 second round draft picks in the last 3 years. he also traded for LW. that, with the right FA selections, should be enough to build the foundation of a team.
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Did I miss something? Did the Giants pass on Murray for Jones? I seem to recall Murray was drafted at #1 overall
If the Giants were picking number 1 in that draft, you think they take Murray? I would bet my house they wouldn't. I doubt he was even on their board.
So you are angry at the Giants now because they didn't draft a player they didn't have an opportunity to draft the #1 overall pick, because you are speculating he wasn't on their board anyway, even though the whole world knows he wouldn't be available when the Giants drafted, as the whole world knew the Cardinals loved him and would draft him #1 overall? That makes sense.
Not to put words into Terps mouth, but I believe he is saying that the Giants are not a forward enough thinking organization to even have picked a player like Murray. Regardless of whether they had the ability to draft him. I tend to agree.
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In comment 15024767 KDavies said:
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Did I miss something? Did the Giants pass on Murray for Jones? I seem to recall Murray was drafted at #1 overall
If the Giants were picking number 1 in that draft, you think they take Murray? I would bet my house they wouldn't. I doubt he was even on their board.
So you are angry at the Giants now because they didn't draft a player they didn't have an opportunity to draft the #1 overall pick, because you are speculating he wasn't on their board anyway, even though the whole world knows he wouldn't be available when the Giants drafted, as the whole world knew the Cardinals loved him and would draft him #1 overall? That makes sense.
Not to put words into Terps mouth, but I believe he is saying that the Giants are not a forward enough thinking organization to even have picked a player like Murray. Regardless of whether they had the ability to draft him. I tend to agree.
What? A mobile QB? When we just had a QB who had an 80 yard run the other day, running faster than any QB since 2018. I don't tend to agree with that statement.
Will say others teams have more life, spark on the field.
Its a good think they did not allow fans this season, stadium crowd would be ugly.