Lets play the QB game but instead of choosing who you would take OVER Jones, lets talk about QBs you wouldn't take over Jones.
I think Darnold and Foles are good picks to begin with. But what other starting QBs would you turn away if you could have them only for the cost of giving up Jones?
Every QB in the NFCS, although I’d listen to debate on Bridgewater.
Every QB in the NFCN except Cousins, who I think is a fraud.
In the NFCE, I’d take Wentz and Dak. But Jones over any current WFT QB.
Every QB in the AFCW. Really like Lock’s arm talent. But he’s still very raw.
Every QB in the AFCS except Rivers and Minshew.
Every QB in the AFCN.
In in the AFCE, I’d take Allen. Darnold is a wash. TBD on Tua. Need to see more on Cam because he’s had Covid and I can’t tell if he’s completely healthy.
So maybe only 5-6ish. Making Jones right now a bottom of the league prospect.
Jones is our guy, and I'm his #1 fan until he's not.
Possibly Lamar Jackson as well but he needs to show more
I always have liked Herbert..but a baby.
Murray, Baker....falls among the same catagory as Jones.
Cam
Darnold
Goff
Baker
Matt Ryan
Bridgewater
Stafford
Carr
Locke
Minshew
Foles
My list is considering where they are in their career and the talent around them.
NFC East - rather have Jones over anyone on WFT and anyone on Dallas, would need to see how Dak recovers before taking him.
NFC South - would take Jones over Brees, Ryan, Bridgewater. Brady doesn’t look like he’s slowing down and at this rate may actually still be there for the full 3 years.
NFC North - Jones over Cousins, Foles/Trubisky, Stafford
NFC West - Jones over Jimmy G and Goff. Goff seems like hell never be more than just a game manager for the Rams.
AFC East - Jones over Darnold, Cam, TBD on Tua. It’s actually close with Allen. Darnold is a train wreck, I don’t think he’ll be starting for anyone after this season.
AFC South - Jones over Rivers, Minshew.
AFC North - Jones over Mayfield. Big Ben is tough because i don’t know how much longer he plays, he could retire after this year or he could stick around for the full 3. He is still playing at a high level though so if he plays it out I’d rather have him.
AFC West - Jones over Carr, Lock. I think they both stink.
So pretty much Jones is middle of the pack. He has definitely shown flashes but he’s also had a ton of head scratching moments. Hopefully over the next 9 games we will see enough either way to determine whether he is worth hanging onto or if it is time to move on to Lawrence or Fields if they’re in position to draft either of them. Honestly, there isn’t really much he can do that would convince me he is the guy over Lawrence. If we are picking first you take Lawrence and get what you can for Jones.
Yeah, ah no he was marginally better(if he was better) last year, but a different type of QB. This year he(Murray) is playing very well. Almost a Russell Wilson mini-me...Kyler has a good arm, but I do not think as accurate as Jones. And yes he has much better receivers then Jones. And he holds the ball better. I like the way he protects himself when he runs. Never seems to get walloped.
It certainly carries more weight than the bbi critics whose take on Jones so often lacks context
So my answer is , glad he s the Giants quarterback, his development is what is keeping me engaged in games.
I m content to let things play out. If the Giants have a chance at Lawerence, I would get on board with that. But as I feel there is little chance of that happening, I m much more into rooting for the scenerio where Jones is the guy.
Possibly Lamar Jackson as well but he needs to show more
I always have liked Herbert..but a baby.
Murray, Baker....falls among the same catagory as Jones.
I like Murray too but he wasn’t far ahead of Jones last year. Jones 24 TD, 12 int, 88 passer rating in 12 games compared to 20 TD, 12 int and 88 rating in 16 games . Murray is good (and was great last night!) but he wasn’t far ahead
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Mahomes is only one...I would want. Wallace has more potential...so yes
Possibly Lamar Jackson as well but he needs to show more
I always have liked Herbert..but a baby.
Murray, Baker....falls among the same catagory as Jones.
What more could Jackson possibly need to show?
Jackson needs to show a lot more accuracy in his arm. He also needs to show the ability to play from behind. When the Ravens get down, they are toast. Murray has the same issues in terms of accuracy. I didn't watch the game last night, but I did watch the Cardinals-Cowboys game. Murray had some huge accuracy issues early on. Both Murray and Jackson are incredible. However, their games are not without their flaws. Jackson's playoff issues have been well documented. If either is to lead their team to a championship, they need to improve on those accuracy issues IMO. There will be a day when they slow down.
Only seems fair in this game of choice.
Tua/Fitz
Darnold
Baker
Rivers
Minshew
Carr
Lock
Haskins/Allen
Foles/Trubisky
Cousins
Bridgewater
Garropolo
That's 13 teams. Not including Brady, Ben and Brees who will all be out of the league in a year or two. I also think Goff and Tannehill are tossups. If Jones had their surrounding cast I think we'd be thinking of him in a very different light.
Well, where would expect him to be when the offense is ranked 31st? He has nobody to hand off too, nobody to throw too and barely anybody to block for him.
Tua/Fitz
Darnold
Baker
Rivers
Minshew
Carr
Lock
Haskins/Allen
Foles/Trubisky
Cousins
Bridgewater
Garropolo
That's 13 teams. Not including Brady, Ben and Brees who will all be out of the league in a year or two. I also think Goff and Tannehill are tossups. If Jones had their surrounding cast I think we'd be thinking of him in a very different light.
Yeah, this is roughly my list too. I think right now Jones is basically equal to Mayfield.
Him and Aaron Rodgers have been overrated their entire careers.
Agreed
Minshew's stats are not that much different
https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/4038524/gardner-minshew
https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/3917792/daniel-jones
Plus watching that Jags o-line. Yikes!!They have flashes of brilliant play and then the rest of the time they make the Giants o-line look like pro bowlers.
So #6 with a shitty o-line vs. #178 with an equally shitty (or worse) o-line.
Looks like a draw.
Him and Aaron Rodgers have been overrated their entire careers.
This is embarrassing.
Him and Aaron Rodgers have been overrated their entire careers.
This is with tongue firmly placed in cheek...right?
Him and Aaron Rodgers have been overrated their entire careers.
What a joke of a statement this is. These are 2 HOF QBs you're speaking of that both have MANY wins under their belts.
Him and Aaron Rodgers have been overrated their entire careers.
So you would rather have Daniel Jones than Russell Wilson?
Because that doesn't seem like the kind of evaluation that's going to win many football games.
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Mahomes is only one...I would want. Wallace has more potential...so yes
Possibly Lamar Jackson as well but he needs to show more
I always have liked Herbert..but a baby.
Murray, Baker....falls among the same catagory as Jones.
What more could Jackson possibly need to show?
Jackson needs to show a lot more accuracy in his arm. He also needs to show the ability to play from behind. When the Ravens get down, they are toast. Murray has the same issues in terms of accuracy. I didn't watch the game last night, but I did watch the Cardinals-Cowboys game. Murray had some huge accuracy issues early on. Both Murray and Jackson are incredible. However, their games are not without their flaws. Jackson's playoff issues have been well documented. If either is to lead their team to a championship, they need to improve on those accuracy issues IMO. There will be a day when they slow down.
Lamar Jackson last year completed 66% of his pass attempts, and far and away had the best QB Rating of all QB's (hence the MVP award) . His completion percentage is down this year, but he only has 2 ints on the season (only Patrick Mahomes has fewer) and is still top 10 in QB Rating.
Maybe the statistics don't tell the whole story, but right now the Ravens are 5-1 and most people here couldn't name a WR on their roster. Jackson is unquestionably a top QB.
He has height, speed, toughness and enough arm, he's just not a natural football player. The tools are tantalizing but it's simply not coming together, not even against horribly depleted defenses. Right now I would take anyone over him to win a football game.
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Guy threw 3 picks last night and single-handily lost the game in OT.
Him and Aaron Rodgers have been overrated their entire careers.
This is with tongue firmly placed in cheek...right?
I thought this was a game per the OP. :-)
The more relevant question for the situation is what QB in the next draft would you not take over Jones? Will be the biggest decision for this franchise since...oh maybe, 2019.
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Jones is better than Minshew. Minshew is on pace for 4,000 yards, 30 TD's and 12 picks, while completing 66% of his passes. If those were DJ's numbers, BBI would be measuring him for a yellow jacket.
Agreed
Minshew's stats are not that much different
https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/4038524/gardner-minshew
https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/3917792/daniel-jones
Plus watching that Jags o-line. Yikes!!They have flashes of brilliant play and then the rest of the time they make the Giants o-line look like pro bowlers.
So #6 with a shitty o-line vs. #178 with an equally shitty (or worse) o-line.
Looks like a draw.
Not that much different? Minshew’s are far better. Here are their current year end #’s:
GM 66%. 4,200 yds. 30 TD’s. 12 INT’s
DJ. 62%. 3,250 yds. 12 TD’s. 16 INT’s
I think Minshew has slightly better weapons, but that gap is hard to argue away.
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Mahomes is only one...I would want. Wallace has more potential...so yes
Possibly Lamar Jackson as well but he needs to show more
I always have liked Herbert..but a baby.
Murray, Baker....falls among the same catagory as Jones.
What more could Jackson possibly need to show?
Jackson needs to show a lot more accuracy in his arm. He also needs to show the ability to play from behind. When the Ravens get down, they are toast. Murray has the same issues in terms of accuracy. I didn't watch the game last night, but I did watch the Cardinals-Cowboys game. Murray had some huge accuracy issues early on. Both Murray and Jackson are incredible. However, their games are not without their flaws. Jackson's playoff issues have been well documented. If either is to lead their team to a championship, they need to improve on those accuracy issues IMO. There will be a day when they slow down.
Lamar Jackson last year completed 66% of his pass attempts, and far and away had the best QB Rating of all QB's (hence the MVP award) . His completion percentage is down this year, but he only has 2 ints on the season (only Patrick Mahomes has fewer) and is still top 10 in QB Rating.
Maybe the statistics don't tell the whole story, but right now the Ravens are 5-1 and most people here couldn't name a WR on their roster. Jackson is unquestionably a top QB.
The stats do not tell the whole story. I do agree that Jackson is unquestionably a top QB. That does not mean he has things to improve. Completion percentage does not always perfectly equate to downfield accuracy. Jackson is very good with the short and intermediate game. His downfield passing needs improvement. I have attached an article from a hometown Baltimore newspaper discussing it.
I am a huge Jackson fan (I've had him in my keeper league). He is one of my favorite players to watch. But he does have that to work on.
Additionally, the Ravens offense with him is not built to play behind. The Chiefs stomp them because they get off to quick starts with their offense, and the Ravens cannot play from behind.
I also have concerns about Jackson when he plays top defenses. In two playoff games, he has a 51% completion percentage and 5 turnovers. He is young, but I do think he has stuff to work on to take himself from perennial regular season MVP candidate to a QB who can win in the playoffs.
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Let's think about this one a little.
Garapolo? Dues have great D to back him up. Dies have great OL. Has best TE on football since vintage Gronk, has gteat easy to execute O plan, has great weather.
Put Jones in that situation Jimmy G was last year, and SF might have hoisted the Lombardi... Oh, Garapolo is in his 5th or sixth season, too...
Kyler Murray... Not a big fan. Call me when squirt wins a Lombardi, or for that matter a playoff game.
Goff. I like him more than many do. Berkeley Bears homie bias. Throws a gorgeous ball given time in the pocket. But not athletic, generally doesn't extend plays. Would be a disaster on this current Giants' squad...
Wilson, yeah no shit.
And I have plenty of doubt about Jones. But he was a MENSCH Thursday night. He put the team on his back, and should have won, only the other monkeys on his back (Engram and Lewis) prooved to be too much.
He's been playing for 10 minutes.
Not a fan? Ok....he just beat Seattle all by himseld.
Cmon already. Just stop.
Cmon already. Just stop.
I heard if the Chiefs had Jones in 2018 they would have hoisted the trophy.
The guy tripped over his own feet. All the evidence is there to support the belief that Jones is a bit too mechanical at times. A bit careless at other times, and a bit out of his depth at other times. He doesn't always look bad, but that doesn't mean he's a good QB. EVERY single metric screams Jones is not a good QB yet. He may yet become one, but in his best game of the year he still turned it over twice and LOST. He also was aided by some defensive help and barely hung 24 pts.
It's about results. It was one thing to defend Eli when the team was losing every year because we had seen Eli win games before. We had seen Eli, as recently as 2015 put up pro bowl numbers. We had seen Eli win 11 games in 2016. And we knew Eli had won big in the 2000s. It was there, even if it was gone.
We haven't seen shit from Jones other than 2-3 nice games last year. That might as well be a lifetime ago.
Giants likely give Jones one more year unless he is so bad here on out AND the Giants see a QB that can't refuse this coming offseason. Ok fine. With that said, the clock is ticking.
The guy tripped over his own feet. All the evidence is there to support the belief that Jones is a bit too mechanical at times. A bit careless at other times, and a bit out of his depth at other times. He doesn't always look bad, but that doesn't mean he's a good QB. EVERY single metric screams Jones is not a good QB yet. He may yet become one, but in his best game of the year he still turned it over twice and LOST. He also was aided by some defensive help and barely hung 24 pts.
It's about results. It was one thing to defend Eli when the team was losing every year because we had seen Eli win games before. We had seen Eli, as recently as 2015 put up pro bowl numbers. We had seen Eli win 11 games in 2016. And we knew Eli had won big in the 2000s. It was there, even if it was gone.
We haven't seen shit from Jones other than 2-3 nice games last year. That might as well be a lifetime ago.
Giants likely give Jones one more year unless he is so bad here on out AND the Giants see a QB that can't refuse this coming offseason. Ok fine. With that said, the clock is ticking.
100%
It would have been ballsy to draft Herbert at 4 last April. I wish they had, I’m so impressed with Herbert.
Minshew/Jaguars - no way.
Mayfield/Browns - no way.
Darnold/Jets - there's nothing Jones gives them they don't already have with Darnold and their teams woes are down to what's around him.
Tua/Dolphins - different level of talent to DJ. On the injury issue, he took too many risks, didn't sense the danger, but I expect Flores to coach this out of him. So, no go also.
Murray/Cardinals - no way.Rivers - outside possibility, Rivers/Colts is aging badly.
Lock/Broncos - possible.
Rivers/Colts - outside possibility. Riversis aging badly.