Got mine this morning. This is my annual thread telling people to do so. I know this year is more complicated but maximize your chance to stay healthy.
Don’t have a choice. Since my auto immune disease which has no cure and has no reason for onset, dictates I need it. Despite all the infusions and other meds I have to have
I guess the specialists at Mass General and Johns Hopkins missed the boat on supplements
truly sorry for your health issues. There are certainly extenuating circumstances where a lot of intervention for certain people is called for.
As for chronic diseases and seasonal outbreaks, along with side effect risk and medical errors, I stand by my view that lifestyle and diet will go a great way towards reducing lots of suffering and economic cost in this country.
We are exposed to a great deal of toxicity in our modern world from chemicals and pollutants along with processed foods.
Creating a healthy environment in our body is important in keeping long-term well being. The right supplementation can help. If I sound like a nut to some of you so be it, I wish you all the best.
I'm not trying to attack you and ask this with respect, but why can't vaccines be used in conjunction with healthy lifestyles? Do you believe there are health risks involved with vaccines that outweigh the immunities they provide? Nothing is perfect, but vaccines are one of the best tools we have to combat disease. I'm genuinely curious to understand your mindset because you are clearly not alone on this.
Lastly, no amount of supplements can even approach what a vaccine can provide in protection.
How many people have T cell immunity from prior coronaviruses? This is important because it lowers the total number of infections needed to reach herd immunity.
who think the whole flu vaccination thing is about Pharma making money, you're barking up the wrong tree. Vaccines are so unprofitable that the government has to cajole and offer protections and incentives to get companies to make them.
How many people have T cell immunity from prior coronaviruses? This is important because it lowers the total number of infections needed to reach herd immunity.
Does anyone know?
There’s no data for that. And it’s not clear that it would be relevant anyway.
There have only been limited studies on coronavirus immunity, so no ironclad statements can be made. But the limited data they have has lead researchers to believe that there’s a good likelihood that coronavirus immunity wears off.
will be for the COVID vaccine. Right now the Flu Shot's adoption rate in the US s a hair under 50% for all those over 6 months of age. Most people I talk to will either not be getting the COVID vaccine or will wait an undetermined amount of time before doing so. I feel like 25% is a stretch but I could be completely off base there.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The herd immunity through spread of live virus, knoiwing some will die
Getting back to herd immunity - while I agree that vaccination leads to reduced transmission and symptoms, I think the term herd immunity means letting the populace contract the disease and once it has spread through enough people they will no longer be able to transmit it, except to those who did not get it. Example is colds. IIRC there are nearly 250 different viruses that cause colds and once you get one, you will not get that particular cold again. I used to get 3 or 4 colds per year, cannot remember the last time I got one of any consequence. This virus is not like colds, although I read that there are strains of corona virus that cause colds and it is possible symptomless carriers have had a very similar corona virus that the body's immune system has antibodies for that suppresses covid-19. IDK if that is true or a theory or BS.
There are 7 different coronaviruses that infect humans. Three of them cause severe disease (SARS, SARS-2, MERS) and the other 4 cause mild cold-type diseases. Antibodies to the 4 "common" coronaviruses don't react with COV-2, so they don't suppress or enhance COVID-19. However infection with those common coronaviruses do lead to the production of cells called T cells and some of those T cells do react with CoV-2 and may offer some protection (or some exacerbation) for COVID-19.
Thanks for clarifying. That was what I was wondering - I actually thought there were more than 4 covids that caused colds. But Yes, I was wondering if previous contact with those cold causing viruses could reduce the effects of Covid-19. Maybe it does.
Don’t have a choice. Since my auto immune disease which has no cure and has no reason for onset, dictates I need it. Despite all the infusions and other meds I have to have
I guess the specialists at Mass General and Johns Hopkins missed the boat on supplements
truly sorry for your health issues. There are certainly extenuating circumstances where a lot of intervention for certain people is called for.
As for chronic diseases and seasonal outbreaks, along with side effect risk and medical errors, I stand by my view that lifestyle and diet will go a great way towards reducing lots of suffering and economic cost in this country.
We are exposed to a great deal of toxicity in our modern world from chemicals and pollutants along with processed foods.
Creating a healthy environment in our body is important in keeping long-term well being. The right supplementation can help. If I sound like a nut to some of you so be it, I wish you all the best.
I'm not trying to attack you and ask this with respect, but why can't vaccines be used in conjunction with healthy lifestyles? Do you believe there are health risks involved with vaccines that outweigh the immunities they provide? Nothing is perfect, but vaccines are one of the best tools we have to combat disease. I'm genuinely curious to understand your mindset because you are clearly not alone on this.
Lastly, no amount of supplements can even approach what a vaccine can provide in protection.
i'm not against any and all vaccines. sure, they are appropriate in certain circumstances, but i would hope people approach their medical care with eyes open. i have seen first hand in my family the effects of poor lifestyle and the complete reliance on doctors and drugs to manage preventable
chronic illness and then a spiral of complications resulting from same.
and it's unfair to label people as 'anti vax' for exercising some critical thinking.
have you seen the constant TV drug ads for every conceivable condition? new powerful drugs hit the market constantly. is there not a possible conflict of interest to consider?
what are the cumulative effects of one or more newly-formulated vaccinations annually over 2-3 decades? are rapid advances in gene technology risking outcomes we can't predict?
my personal approach is reduce toxins through non-medical means and maximize my resistance to, and thus minimize the effects of, any threat, and live the best quality life for the longest time. i respect other's decisions and i hope we will still have the choice to self determine. best to you.
between drugs for personal conditions like restless leg syndrome or ulcerative colitis or even depression (like you see so often on TV) and a vaccine for infectious disease which I never see on TV. The only vaccine i see on TV is for HPV and in that case - critical think away.
none of those personal conditions are contagious and you taking those drugs or not has no bearing on others outside your family (directly).
Deciding not to take a vaccine in favor of eating well, taking supplements and praying is not a well researched opinion.
Critical thinking should be applauded but sometimes occam's razor can save you some time.
How many people have T cell immunity from prior coronaviruses? This is important because it lowers the total number of infections needed to reach herd immunity.
Does anyone know?
There’s no data for that. And it’s not clear that it would be relevant anyway.
There have only been limited studies on coronavirus immunity, so no ironclad statements can be made. But the limited data they have has lead researchers to believe that there’s a good likelihood that coronavirus immunity wears off.
Oops! There is data. From the British medical Journal. You're correct that no ironclad statements can be made. And T-cell immunity doesn't wear off. I should have looked before I posted Data on T-cell immunity - ( New Window )
Younger guy took it like a champ. My older daughter refused. Lesson learned : don’t surprise older kids, especially sensitive ones. Give them lead time.
between drugs for personal conditions like restless leg syndrome or ulcerative colitis or even depression (like you see so often on TV) and a vaccine for infectious disease which I never see on TV. The only vaccine i see on TV is for HPV and in that case - critical think away.
none of those personal conditions are contagious and you taking those drugs or not has no bearing on others outside your family (directly).
Deciding not to take a vaccine in favor of eating well, taking supplements and praying is not a well researched opinion.
Critical thinking should be applauded but sometimes occam's razor can save you some time.
thankfully i haven't had anything like a flu for many years and i never took a shot, and i decline to take one now. i don't "pray" not to get the flu. i used it as an one example of means to de-stress, do whatever the fuck you want. and i don't need to be fucking lectured about how to protect mine or anyone else's family. really, i tried to be nice.
How many people have T cell immunity from prior coronaviruses? This is important because it lowers the total number of infections needed to reach herd immunity.
Does anyone know?
There’s no data for that. And it’s not clear that it would be relevant anyway.
There have only been limited studies on coronavirus immunity, so no ironclad statements can be made. But the limited data they have has lead researchers to believe that there’s a good likelihood that coronavirus immunity wears off.
Some recent studies suggest that antibody levels recede sooner than expected. I’m not sure that means that immunity wears off. Like you said (maybe not about this but still appropriate) there’s no data for that.
between drugs for personal conditions like restless leg syndrome or ulcerative colitis or even depression (like you see so often on TV) and a vaccine for infectious disease which I never see on TV. The only vaccine i see on TV is for HPV and in that case - critical think away.
none of those personal conditions are contagious and you taking those drugs or not has no bearing on others outside your family (directly).
Deciding not to take a vaccine in favor of eating well, taking supplements and praying is not a well researched opinion.
Critical thinking should be applauded but sometimes occam's razor can save you some time.
thankfully i haven't had anything like a flu for many years and i never took a shot, and i decline to take one now. i don't "pray" not to get the flu. i used it as an one example of means to de-stress, do whatever the fuck you want. and i don't need to be fucking lectured about how to protect mine or anyone else's family. really, i tried to be nice.
I guess, Like for most things in a free country, you can do whatever you want. But choose for yourself and take
Your own advice. Beyond saying being healthy is generally better than not, being healthy, don’t pitch anything but actually
Medicine (or in this case vaccination) as being anything other than emotionally comforting as opposed to being an actual flu
Preventative. Purveying Misinformation does or should fall on the list of things not to do whatever the hell you want.
"Getting vaccinated yourself may also protect people around you, including those who are more vulnerable to serious flu illness, like babies and young children, older people, and people with certain chronic health conditions.Despite the many benefits offered by flu vaccination, only about half of Americans get an annual flu vaccine and flu continues to cause millions of illnesses, hundreds of thousands of hospitalizations and tens of thousands of deaths. Many more people could be protected from flu if more people got vaccinated."
I think the messaging on flu vaccines has been really poorly promoted. It's not all about you. It can help lessen the severity and prevent the spread to at risk people- particularly young children who cannot get it. Not to be too dramatic but it can literally save babies and young childrens lives.
For the life of me I will never understand people's steadfast refusal to get it.
there is nothign nice about spreading anti-vaxxer conspiracy theories.
I agree with you that we have a health crisis in this country. Obesity, diabetes, heart disease, you name it. It's shameful. But you're creating a false choice. We can live well AND get the flu vaccine to prevent infection, mitigate the contagion, and protect vulnerable people. They are not mutually exclusive.
And spouting anti-vaxxer tropes that losing weight/exercising is all you need to do to stop the flu, and parroting lies about vaccines being a Big Pharma profit scheme do not help anyone. All it does now is spreads two things: disinformation AND the flu.
with "Sweden is a disaster" is that it's maybe not quite how the Swedish view it. They never shut down.
People will criticize these graphs, and try and qualify things a certain way, but at the end of the day I just don't trust any media source right now not to politicize this pandemic and to focus on the most negative and fear mongering aspect and I feel like they deserve that.
Do you have charts comparing Sweden's closest neighbors?
This one has Denmark. I haven't seen Norway or Finland or anywhere else in Scandinavia. Not sure how relevant though since I'm not clear on what measures those other countries took.
there is nothign nice about spreading anti-vaxxer conspiracy theories.
I agree with you that we have a health crisis in this country. Obesity, diabetes, heart disease, you name it. It's shameful. But you're creating a false choice. We can live well AND get the flu vaccine to prevent infection, mitigate the contagion, and protect vulnerable people. They are not mutually exclusive.
And spouting anti-vaxxer tropes that losing weight/exercising is all you need to do to stop the flu, and parroting lies about vaccines being a Big Pharma profit scheme do not help anyone. All it does now is spreads two things: disinformation AND the flu.
Bravo. Some of you have more patience than I do. I tuned out earlier. Some battles are left unfought. My blood pressure might go up and then my recliner might give me the flu.
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Don’t have a choice. Since my auto immune disease which has no cure and has no reason for onset, dictates I need it. Despite all the infusions and other meds I have to have
I guess the specialists at Mass General and Johns Hopkins missed the boat on supplements
truly sorry for your health issues. There are certainly extenuating circumstances where a lot of intervention for certain people is called for.
As for chronic diseases and seasonal outbreaks, along with side effect risk and medical errors, I stand by my view that lifestyle and diet will go a great way towards reducing lots of suffering and economic cost in this country.
We are exposed to a great deal of toxicity in our modern world from chemicals and pollutants along with processed foods.
Creating a healthy environment in our body is important in keeping long-term well being. The right supplementation can help. If I sound like a nut to some of you so be it, I wish you all the best.
I'm not trying to attack you and ask this with respect, but why can't vaccines be used in conjunction with healthy lifestyles? Do you believe there are health risks involved with vaccines that outweigh the immunities they provide? Nothing is perfect, but vaccines are one of the best tools we have to combat disease. I'm genuinely curious to understand your mindset because you are clearly not alone on this.
Lastly, no amount of supplements can even approach what a vaccine can provide in protection.
Does anyone know?
Explain how that works?
Does anyone know?
There’s no data for that. And it’s not clear that it would be relevant anyway.
There have only been limited studies on coronavirus immunity, so no ironclad statements can be made. But the limited data they have has lead researchers to believe that there’s a good likelihood that coronavirus immunity wears off.
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I agree.
Getting back to herd immunity - while I agree that vaccination leads to reduced transmission and symptoms, I think the term herd immunity means letting the populace contract the disease and once it has spread through enough people they will no longer be able to transmit it, except to those who did not get it. Example is colds. IIRC there are nearly 250 different viruses that cause colds and once you get one, you will not get that particular cold again. I used to get 3 or 4 colds per year, cannot remember the last time I got one of any consequence. This virus is not like colds, although I read that there are strains of corona virus that cause colds and it is possible symptomless carriers have had a very similar corona virus that the body's immune system has antibodies for that suppresses covid-19. IDK if that is true or a theory or BS.
There are 7 different coronaviruses that infect humans. Three of them cause severe disease (SARS, SARS-2, MERS) and the other 4 cause mild cold-type diseases. Antibodies to the 4 "common" coronaviruses don't react with COV-2, so they don't suppress or enhance COVID-19. However infection with those common coronaviruses do lead to the production of cells called T cells and some of those T cells do react with CoV-2 and may offer some protection (or some exacerbation) for COVID-19.
Thanks for clarifying. That was what I was wondering - I actually thought there were more than 4 covids that caused colds. But Yes, I was wondering if previous contact with those cold causing viruses could reduce the effects of Covid-19. Maybe it does.
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Don’t have a choice. Since my auto immune disease which has no cure and has no reason for onset, dictates I need it. Despite all the infusions and other meds I have to have
I guess the specialists at Mass General and Johns Hopkins missed the boat on supplements
truly sorry for your health issues. There are certainly extenuating circumstances where a lot of intervention for certain people is called for.
As for chronic diseases and seasonal outbreaks, along with side effect risk and medical errors, I stand by my view that lifestyle and diet will go a great way towards reducing lots of suffering and economic cost in this country.
We are exposed to a great deal of toxicity in our modern world from chemicals and pollutants along with processed foods.
Creating a healthy environment in our body is important in keeping long-term well being. The right supplementation can help. If I sound like a nut to some of you so be it, I wish you all the best.
I'm not trying to attack you and ask this with respect, but why can't vaccines be used in conjunction with healthy lifestyles? Do you believe there are health risks involved with vaccines that outweigh the immunities they provide? Nothing is perfect, but vaccines are one of the best tools we have to combat disease. I'm genuinely curious to understand your mindset because you are clearly not alone on this.
Lastly, no amount of supplements can even approach what a vaccine can provide in protection.
i'm not against any and all vaccines. sure, they are appropriate in certain circumstances, but i would hope people approach their medical care with eyes open. i have seen first hand in my family the effects of poor lifestyle and the complete reliance on doctors and drugs to manage preventable
chronic illness and then a spiral of complications resulting from same.
and it's unfair to label people as 'anti vax' for exercising some critical thinking.
have you seen the constant TV drug ads for every conceivable condition? new powerful drugs hit the market constantly. is there not a possible conflict of interest to consider?
what are the cumulative effects of one or more newly-formulated vaccinations annually over 2-3 decades? are rapid advances in gene technology risking outcomes we can't predict?
my personal approach is reduce toxins through non-medical means and maximize my resistance to, and thus minimize the effects of, any threat, and live the best quality life for the longest time. i respect other's decisions and i hope we will still have the choice to self determine. best to you.
none of those personal conditions are contagious and you taking those drugs or not has no bearing on others outside your family (directly).
Deciding not to take a vaccine in favor of eating well, taking supplements and praying is not a well researched opinion.
Critical thinking should be applauded but sometimes occam's razor can save you some time.
Quote:
How many people have T cell immunity from prior coronaviruses? This is important because it lowers the total number of infections needed to reach herd immunity.
Does anyone know?
There’s no data for that. And it’s not clear that it would be relevant anyway.
There have only been limited studies on coronavirus immunity, so no ironclad statements can be made. But the limited data they have has lead researchers to believe that there’s a good likelihood that coronavirus immunity wears off.
Oops! There is data. From the British medical Journal. You're correct that no ironclad statements can be made. And T-cell immunity doesn't wear off. I should have looked before I posted
Data on T-cell immunity - ( New Window )
none of those personal conditions are contagious and you taking those drugs or not has no bearing on others outside your family (directly).
Deciding not to take a vaccine in favor of eating well, taking supplements and praying is not a well researched opinion.
Critical thinking should be applauded but sometimes occam's razor can save you some time.
thankfully i haven't had anything like a flu for many years and i never took a shot, and i decline to take one now. i don't "pray" not to get the flu. i used it as an one example of means to de-stress, do whatever the fuck you want. and i don't need to be fucking lectured about how to protect mine or anyone else's family. really, i tried to be nice.
Quote:
How many people have T cell immunity from prior coronaviruses? This is important because it lowers the total number of infections needed to reach herd immunity.
Does anyone know?
There’s no data for that. And it’s not clear that it would be relevant anyway.
There have only been limited studies on coronavirus immunity, so no ironclad statements can be made. But the limited data they have has lead researchers to believe that there’s a good likelihood that coronavirus immunity wears off.
Some recent studies suggest that antibody levels recede sooner than expected. I’m not sure that means that immunity wears off. Like you said (maybe not about this but still appropriate) there’s no data for that.
Quote:
between drugs for personal conditions like restless leg syndrome or ulcerative colitis or even depression (like you see so often on TV) and a vaccine for infectious disease which I never see on TV. The only vaccine i see on TV is for HPV and in that case - critical think away.
none of those personal conditions are contagious and you taking those drugs or not has no bearing on others outside your family (directly).
Deciding not to take a vaccine in favor of eating well, taking supplements and praying is not a well researched opinion.
Critical thinking should be applauded but sometimes occam's razor can save you some time.
thankfully i haven't had anything like a flu for many years and i never took a shot, and i decline to take one now. i don't "pray" not to get the flu. i used it as an one example of means to de-stress, do whatever the fuck you want. and i don't need to be fucking lectured about how to protect mine or anyone else's family. really, i tried to be nice.
I guess, Like for most things in a free country, you can do whatever you want. But choose for yourself and take
Your own advice. Beyond saying being healthy is generally better than not, being healthy, don’t pitch anything but actually
Medicine (or in this case vaccination) as being anything other than emotionally comforting as opposed to being an actual flu
Preventative. Purveying Misinformation does or should fall on the list of things not to do whatever the hell you want.
IMO
I think the messaging on flu vaccines has been really poorly promoted. It's not all about you. It can help lessen the severity and prevent the spread to at risk people- particularly young children who cannot get it. Not to be too dramatic but it can literally save babies and young childrens lives.
For the life of me I will never understand people's steadfast refusal to get it.
For the life of me I will never understand people's steadfast refusal to get it.
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For the life of me I will never understand people's steadfast refusal to get it.
Selfishness, laziness, avoiding an unpleasant experience and vulnerability to conspiracy theories
And don’t forget the Autism . Nobody wants to get the Autism
.
I agree with you that we have a health crisis in this country. Obesity, diabetes, heart disease, you name it. It's shameful. But you're creating a false choice. We can live well AND get the flu vaccine to prevent infection, mitigate the contagion, and protect vulnerable people. They are not mutually exclusive.
And spouting anti-vaxxer tropes that losing weight/exercising is all you need to do to stop the flu, and parroting lies about vaccines being a Big Pharma profit scheme do not help anyone. All it does now is spreads two things: disinformation AND the flu.
Quote:
with "Sweden is a disaster" is that it's maybe not quite how the Swedish view it. They never shut down.
People will criticize these graphs, and try and qualify things a certain way, but at the end of the day I just don't trust any media source right now not to politicize this pandemic and to focus on the most negative and fear mongering aspect and I feel like they deserve that.
Do you have charts comparing Sweden's closest neighbors?
This one has Denmark. I haven't seen Norway or Finland or anywhere else in Scandinavia. Not sure how relevant though since I'm not clear on what measures those other countries took.
I agree with you that we have a health crisis in this country. Obesity, diabetes, heart disease, you name it. It's shameful. But you're creating a false choice. We can live well AND get the flu vaccine to prevent infection, mitigate the contagion, and protect vulnerable people. They are not mutually exclusive.
And spouting anti-vaxxer tropes that losing weight/exercising is all you need to do to stop the flu, and parroting lies about vaccines being a Big Pharma profit scheme do not help anyone. All it does now is spreads two things: disinformation AND the flu.
Bravo. Some of you have more patience than I do. I tuned out earlier. Some battles are left unfought. My blood pressure might go up and then my recliner might give me the flu.