...bad blood between he and Colombo. Wasn't mentioned in the article but Alexander was the Cowboy's OL coach in '18 and was fired half way through clearing the way for Colombo. They'd eventually can Scott Linehan at the end of the season.
Sy'56s OT review this year. I do not know anything about Alexander(or oline blocking either), but the draft review clearly said Thomas had bad technique that would get exposed and it would take a while for him to get it straightened out. I also saw some other video reviews on the tackle candidates that showed that his hands were to low and too wide with an ineffective or inconsistent punch.
pre draft, and he did have glowing things to say about Thomas(of course, he was his trainer, so you have to take with a grain of salt). But these trainers also don't want this bad technique to mar their reputation.
Question - was he a coach at Georgia or trained privately pre-draft?
I think the answer is significant. If the latter, it is very likely the technique they worked on was for pre-draft workouts, but would not necessarily what he practiced at Georgia. This means they may not be as easily recalled right now.
on the right approach? Or whether the side/speed/strength of his opponents may have forced Thomas to react differently than he did in college? In last week's breakdown Baldinger showed just how quickly Thomas lifts his right foot and completely loses leverage to stop the inside rush. Guys push on Thomas's outside shoulder, Thomas swivels, and it's all over – he's trying to stop an inside move when all his weight is on his outside leg.
It really is a mystery how AT can be so bad. And I thought Colombo was supposed to be a good O line coach. I just don’t get what’s so wrong with the Giants.
on the right approach? Or whether the side/speed/strength of his opponents may have forced Thomas to react differently than he did in college? In last week's breakdown Baldinger showed just how quickly Thomas lifts his right foot and completely loses leverage to stop the inside rush. Guys push on Thomas's outside shoulder, Thomas swivels, and it's all over – he's trying to stop an inside move when all his weight is on his outside leg.
I thought Baldinger was saying it was a problem that Thomas was lifting and shifting his outside (left) foot too early.
Sy'56s OT review this year. I do not know anything about Alexander(or oline blocking either), but the draft review clearly said Thomas had bad technique that would get exposed and it would take a while for him to get it straightened out. I also saw some other video reviews on the tackle candidates that showed that his hands were to low and too wide with an ineffective or inconsistent punch.
Jeez. It's early yet, but thus far Sy's reviews of the top tackles from the draft seem very prophetic.
His technique flaws were always on display, this is simply a former coach absolving himself of any culpability. I'm pretty sure Marc Colombo knows more about OL play than this dude, he actually played it in the NFL and has gotten a ton out of the guys he's coached. Thomas isn't the athlete people think he is, he's clumsy and his technique sucks, you could see it plain as day at UGA, and the SEC quals, bfd, name one SEC pass rusher he faced worth a shit last year.
I get it we're frustrated as fans and dying for change after change with that "grass is always greener on the other side mentality". but use your head..
When he was drafted he was drafted to start at RT with the slow progression to LT to replace Solder...
Then Solder opted out and Thomas was slated as the best option at LT.
Thomas started out ok and then teams figured him out or exposed his tendencies which makes sense for that to happen bc he is the primary protector of the QB's blind side. aka he's a primary target by the opposing teams DC
Also Thomas is going against the other teams best pass rusher weekly, as a rookie in an offense that struggles to score points and lost their best player it doesn't surprise me that he's struggling a bit, give him time to make some adjustments then make your assessment.
Its been 7 games and some here are already calling him a bust.
His technique flaws were always on display, this is simply a former coach absolving himself of any culpability. I'm pretty sure Marc Colombo knows more about OL play than this dude, he actually played it in the NFL and has gotten a ton out of the guys he's coached. Thomas isn't the athlete people think he is, he's clumsy and his technique sucks, you could see it plain as day at UGA, and the SEC quals, bfd, name one SEC pass rusher he faced worth a shit last year.
IF this is the case, how the Hell does he get labelled the most NFL ready and how did we take him over other guys? This doesn't make me feel good.
His technique flaws were always on display, this is simply a former coach absolving himself of any culpability. I'm pretty sure Marc Colombo knows more about OL play than this dude, he actually played it in the NFL and has gotten a ton out of the guys he's coached. Thomas isn't the athlete people think he is, he's clumsy and his technique sucks, you could see it plain as day at UGA, and the SEC quals, bfd, name one SEC pass rusher he faced worth a shit last year.
IF this is the case, how the Hell does he get labelled the most NFL ready and how did we take him over other guys? This doesn't make me feel good.
His technique flaws were always on display, this is simply a former coach absolving himself of any culpability. I'm pretty sure Marc Colombo knows more about OL play than this dude, he actually played it in the NFL and has gotten a ton out of the guys he's coached. Thomas isn't the athlete people think he is, he's clumsy and his technique sucks, you could see it plain as day at UGA, and the SEC quals, bfd, name one SEC pass rusher he faced worth a shit last year.
IF this is the case, how the Hell does he get labelled the most NFL ready and how did we take him over other guys? This doesn't make me feel good.
I honestly have no idea when I watched him. My thinking was that he started for 3 years in the SEC and started as a true freshman at RT, then LT for 2 years. Wills was strictly a RT at Alabama and doesn't have the prototypical size you want at LT. Wirfs was a guard who played some tackle but again, you have to project his ability to OT in the NFL from playing OG at Iowa. Becton was considered raw, again from my eyes I didn't see it. Thomas was an All-America in the SEC and started for two years at LT and had the highest pass blocking grade per PFF while at UGA. You add in the interviews, Judge's relationship with Kirby Smart along with other SEC coaches on his staff and voila you have the reason we took him.
Just watching them play, I had it Becton, Wills, Wirfs, Thomas. To me Wills was the most complete technique wise, the most natural OT, Becton was who I wanted because of his sheer size and ability to move at it. Wirfs was also intriguing because of his otherwordly AA at 320 lbs. Alas we took the worst one, in my eyes. Again we're talking tools, just like we do with Jones but not enough of it ready for the NFL. We're still drafting like it's pre 2011, players HAVE TO BE READY, you can't just draft guys with tools anymore, they have to be players. The CBA is so restrictive that you have to have simpler offenses, simpler defenses and easier to learn playbooks and the players who you can plug in to your systems right away. We keep drafting projects, they just don't pan out anymore the way they used to. Post 2011 drafting, scouting and player acquisition has changed drastically and we have again lagged behind the times.
I think Thomas and Chaisson may have tangled a bit in the SEC Championship game. And Chaisson may have had a sack on Thomas's side But I can't recall specifically.
I really liked the upside of Chaisson as an edge rusher prospect.
But in general, I agree. Last year wasn't a bumper crop in the SEC with great pass rushers...
His technique flaws were always on display, this is simply a former coach absolving himself of any culpability. I'm pretty sure Marc Colombo knows more about OL play than this dude, he actually played it in the NFL and has gotten a ton out of the guys he's coached. Thomas isn't the athlete people think he is, he's clumsy and his technique sucks, you could see it plain as day at UGA, and the SEC quals, bfd, name one SEC pass rusher he faced worth a shit last year.
Colombo was on the staff before the draft. Are you saying he had no input?
I think Thomas and Chaisson may have tangled a bit in the SEC Championship game. And Chaisson may have had a sack on Thomas's side But I can't recall specifically.
I really liked the upside of Chaisson as an edge rusher prospect.
But in general, I agree. Last year wasn't a bumper crop in the SEC with great pass rushers...
Thomas pretty much stonewalled Chaisson all game. He did a great job on him. I believe the sack came on someone else.
I think Thomas and Chaisson may have tangled a bit in the SEC Championship game. And Chaisson may have had a sack on Thomas's side But I can't recall specifically.
I really liked the upside of Chaisson as an edge rusher prospect.
But in general, I agree. Last year wasn't a bumper crop in the SEC with great pass rushers...
Thomas pretty much stonewalled Chaisson all game. He did a great job on him. I believe the sack came on someone else.
His technique flaws were always on display, this is simply a former coach absolving himself of any culpability. I'm pretty sure Marc Colombo knows more about OL play than this dude, he actually played it in the NFL and has gotten a ton out of the guys he's coached. Thomas isn't the athlete people think he is, he's clumsy and his technique sucks, you could see it plain as day at UGA, and the SEC quals, bfd, name one SEC pass rusher he faced worth a shit last year.
Bingo.
None of this is a surprise. There were plenty of game threads last year critiquing his play in real time.
I think Thomas and Chaisson may have tangled a bit in the SEC Championship game. And Chaisson may have had a sack on Thomas's side But I can't recall specifically.
I really liked the upside of Chaisson as an edge rusher prospect.
But in general, I agree. Last year wasn't a bumper crop in the SEC with great pass rushers...
Thomas pretty much stonewalled Chaisson all game. He did a great job on him. I believe the sack came on someone else.
Chaisson is barely playing so far. He's not Khalil Mack, and so far he's barely an NFL caliber pass rusher. Thomas playing well against him means what exactly? He's been horrible, worse than Flowers and I did not think that was possible. Flowers was at least strong, I don't see anything from Thomas and he's getting worse each week.
His technique flaws were always on display, this is simply a former coach absolving himself of any culpability. I'm pretty sure Marc Colombo knows more about OL play than this dude, he actually played it in the NFL and has gotten a ton out of the guys he's coached. Thomas isn't the athlete people think he is, he's clumsy and his technique sucks, you could see it plain as day at UGA, and the SEC quals, bfd, name one SEC pass rusher he faced worth a shit last year.
Colombo was on the staff before the draft. Are you saying he had no input?
Do you think he did? If so how much? How many players do you think he had input on in Dallas? Coaches coach, scouts scout and Colombo was canned in Dallas. Do you think he walked in to Giants HQ and decided to turn scout? He'll coach who they pick. I'm sure he was involved but I don't see a guy banging the table for his guy, I see a coach trying to do his job.
Thomas is putting alot of the same negative stuff on film now
that I pointed out last Fall, even during the playoff games some of it was out there. He's not setting his base, not sliding laterally to mirror his man, he's often turning his hips and desperately chasing his guy. Sometimes he's able to cut his man off, but he's got little power to re-direct. I like his potential, but he's got to clean up the pass pro, chop chop. At this point, it doesn't much matter that he played well against Chiasson. He's got work to do.
I didn't have much opinion of which OT I wanted. I didn't want Wirfs who I thought might be overrated. I hadn't seen much of Thomas, but the common refrain was NFL ready.
Watching the tape of the GA/LSU game now, I see a kid that is athletic and moves well. But you see him jump very fast into the kick set and as he does with us, turns his hips outside fast with that. He's quick shuffling out there, but giving up a lot of space from the G right away. Chaisson keeps going outside and gets shoved on by (He's giving up a ton of size.) Thomas does not seem powerful. I thought I recall he had good 225 reps at the combine, but I don't see movement at the POA, or him knock guys back. More riding the DE by or trying to lock up and stalemate.
It seems in the NFL he's met guys that A) are WAY stronger than what he's seen; and B) have more than 1 move. They set him up outside and then crash the inside shoulder. He's turned his hips and kicked back so fast, he's created a lane. As Baldy shows, AT then lifts his inside foot losing any power he had.
In all the years on BBI (and we're two early denizens), I don't think I've ever seen you this down on the team. Can't blame you, it seems we're an organization that's flailing. Look at these recent first round picks: Flowers, EE, Baker, AT. I'm a bit more optimistic on Jones, I think if we can get him any help he might grow to be good. He's got accuracy and courage which are hard to teach. But man it's hard to be a Giants fan anymore. Year 12 of a 20 year plan...
His technique flaws were always on display, this is simply a former coach absolving himself of any culpability. I'm pretty sure Marc Colombo knows more about OL play than this dude, he actually played it in the NFL and has gotten a ton out of the guys he's coached. Thomas isn't the athlete people think he is, he's clumsy and his technique sucks, you could see it plain as day at UGA, and the SEC quals, bfd, name one SEC pass rusher he faced worth a shit last year.
Colombo was on the staff before the draft. Are you saying he had no input?
Do you think he did? If so how much? How many players do you think he had input on in Dallas? Coaches coach, scouts scout and Colombo was canned in Dallas. Do you think he walked in to Giants HQ and decided to turn scout? He'll coach who they pick. I'm sure he was involved but I don't see a guy banging the table for his guy, I see a coach trying to do his job.
I think Thomas and Chaisson may have tangled a bit in the SEC Championship game. And Chaisson may have had a sack on Thomas's side But I can't recall specifically.
I really liked the upside of Chaisson as an edge rusher prospect.
But in general, I agree. Last year wasn't a bumper crop in the SEC with great pass rushers...
Thomas pretty much stonewalled Chaisson all game. He did a great job on him. I believe the sack came on someone else.
Thanks, Plank. The game was a wipe out and Georgia had to get out of their running game comfort zone. LSU forced Fromm to pass and he was under consistent pressure. So I thought Chaisson may have grabbed one of Thomas.
Columbo seems to be doing a good job coaching Gates
So the premise that Columbo has screwed up Thomas technique is not well founded.
It might not be a bad idea to sit Thomas a couple of games so he can clear out his head. He looks lost out there at LT right now and playing with no confidence whatsoever.
I am not sure moving him to RT now cures his technique problems.
Let Peart play a couple of games at LT while Thomas sits. He can't be worse than Thomas right now.
I must admit going into the draft I was all in for Wirfs as a RT.Not sure how he is doing.
RE: Columbo seems to be doing a good job coaching Gates
So the premise that Columbo has screwed up Thomas technique is not well founded.
It might not be a bad idea to sit Thomas a couple of games so he can clear out his head. He looks lost out there at LT right now and playing with no confidence whatsoever.
I am not sure moving him to RT now cures his technique problems.
Let Peart play a couple of games at LT while Thomas sits. He can't be worse than Thomas right now.
I must admit going into the draft I was all in for Wirfs as a RT.Not sure how he is doing.
This really has nothing to do with his head. It’s a fundamental flaw that he got away with in college now that’s he’s going up against speed rushers with multiple moves. He can’t just really on opening the door soo to speak. He’s not even washing guys far enough out when he’s doing that. This is something that is going to take an offseason to fix. I’m for putting Peart out there and see what we have in him.
I think Thomas and Chaisson may have tangled a bit in the SEC Championship game. And Chaisson may have had a sack on Thomas's side But I can't recall specifically.
I really liked the upside of Chaisson as an edge rusher prospect.
But in general, I agree. Last year wasn't a bumper crop in the SEC with great pass rushers...
Thomas pretty much stonewalled Chaisson all game. He did a great job on him. I believe the sack came on someone else.
Chaisson is barely playing so far. He's not Khalil Mack, and so far he's barely an NFL caliber pass rusher. Thomas playing well against him means what exactly? He's been horrible, worse than Flowers and I did not think that was possible. Flowers was at least strong, I don't see anything from Thomas and he's getting worse each week.
I was specifically answering a question on Chaisson, did you not read the previous comment? I wasn't making a comment on how good Chaisson was. For the record I thought he'd be a bust.
Jeez. It's early yet, but thus far Sy's reviews of the top tackles from the draft seem very prophetic.
this is a hard franchise to root for these days.
When he was drafted he was drafted to start at RT with the slow progression to LT to replace Solder...
Then Solder opted out and Thomas was slated as the best option at LT.
Thomas started out ok and then teams figured him out or exposed his tendencies which makes sense for that to happen bc he is the primary protector of the QB's blind side. aka he's a primary target by the opposing teams DC
Also Thomas is going against the other teams best pass rusher weekly, as a rookie in an offense that struggles to score points and lost their best player it doesn't surprise me that he's struggling a bit, give him time to make some adjustments then make your assessment.
Its been 7 games and some here are already calling him a bust.
r u dumb
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His technique flaws were always on display, this is simply a former coach absolving himself of any culpability. I'm pretty sure Marc Colombo knows more about OL play than this dude, he actually played it in the NFL and has gotten a ton out of the guys he's coached. Thomas isn't the athlete people think he is, he's clumsy and his technique sucks, you could see it plain as day at UGA, and the SEC quals, bfd, name one SEC pass rusher he faced worth a shit last year.
IF this is the case, how the Hell does he get labelled the most NFL ready and how did we take him over other guys? This doesn't make me feel good.
This. He's playing like a UDFA.
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His technique flaws were always on display, this is simply a former coach absolving himself of any culpability. I'm pretty sure Marc Colombo knows more about OL play than this dude, he actually played it in the NFL and has gotten a ton out of the guys he's coached. Thomas isn't the athlete people think he is, he's clumsy and his technique sucks, you could see it plain as day at UGA, and the SEC quals, bfd, name one SEC pass rusher he faced worth a shit last year.
IF this is the case, how the Hell does he get labelled the most NFL ready and how did we take him over other guys? This doesn't make me feel good.
Just watching them play, I had it Becton, Wills, Wirfs, Thomas. To me Wills was the most complete technique wise, the most natural OT, Becton was who I wanted because of his sheer size and ability to move at it. Wirfs was also intriguing because of his otherwordly AA at 320 lbs. Alas we took the worst one, in my eyes. Again we're talking tools, just like we do with Jones but not enough of it ready for the NFL. We're still drafting like it's pre 2011, players HAVE TO BE READY, you can't just draft guys with tools anymore, they have to be players. The CBA is so restrictive that you have to have simpler offenses, simpler defenses and easier to learn playbooks and the players who you can plug in to your systems right away. We keep drafting projects, they just don't pan out anymore the way they used to. Post 2011 drafting, scouting and player acquisition has changed drastically and we have again lagged behind the times.
I really liked the upside of Chaisson as an edge rusher prospect.
But in general, I agree. Last year wasn't a bumper crop in the SEC with great pass rushers...
Colombo was on the staff before the draft. Are you saying he had no input?
I really liked the upside of Chaisson as an edge rusher prospect.
But in general, I agree. Last year wasn't a bumper crop in the SEC with great pass rushers...
Thomas pretty much stonewalled Chaisson all game. He did a great job on him. I believe the sack came on someone else.
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I think Thomas and Chaisson may have tangled a bit in the SEC Championship game. And Chaisson may have had a sack on Thomas's side But I can't recall specifically.
I really liked the upside of Chaisson as an edge rusher prospect.
But in general, I agree. Last year wasn't a bumper crop in the SEC with great pass rushers...
Thomas pretty much stonewalled Chaisson all game. He did a great job on him. I believe the sack came on someone else.
Here's a Youtube of all the Georgia offensive line plays vs LSU. Thomas plays like a stud IMO.
Georgia OL plays vs LSU - ( New Window )
Bingo.
None of this is a surprise. There were plenty of game threads last year critiquing his play in real time.
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I think Thomas and Chaisson may have tangled a bit in the SEC Championship game. And Chaisson may have had a sack on Thomas's side But I can't recall specifically.
I really liked the upside of Chaisson as an edge rusher prospect.
But in general, I agree. Last year wasn't a bumper crop in the SEC with great pass rushers...
Thomas pretty much stonewalled Chaisson all game. He did a great job on him. I believe the sack came on someone else.
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His technique flaws were always on display, this is simply a former coach absolving himself of any culpability. I'm pretty sure Marc Colombo knows more about OL play than this dude, he actually played it in the NFL and has gotten a ton out of the guys he's coached. Thomas isn't the athlete people think he is, he's clumsy and his technique sucks, you could see it plain as day at UGA, and the SEC quals, bfd, name one SEC pass rusher he faced worth a shit last year.
Colombo was on the staff before the draft. Are you saying he had no input?
Watching the tape of the GA/LSU game now, I see a kid that is athletic and moves well. But you see him jump very fast into the kick set and as he does with us, turns his hips outside fast with that. He's quick shuffling out there, but giving up a lot of space from the G right away. Chaisson keeps going outside and gets shoved on by (He's giving up a ton of size.) Thomas does not seem powerful. I thought I recall he had good 225 reps at the combine, but I don't see movement at the POA, or him knock guys back. More riding the DE by or trying to lock up and stalemate.
It seems in the NFL he's met guys that A) are WAY stronger than what he's seen; and B) have more than 1 move. They set him up outside and then crash the inside shoulder. He's turned his hips and kicked back so fast, he's created a lane. As Baldy shows, AT then lifts his inside foot losing any power he had.
In all the years on BBI (and we're two early denizens), I don't think I've ever seen you this down on the team. Can't blame you, it seems we're an organization that's flailing. Look at these recent first round picks: Flowers, EE, Baker, AT. I'm a bit more optimistic on Jones, I think if we can get him any help he might grow to be good. He's got accuracy and courage which are hard to teach. But man it's hard to be a Giants fan anymore. Year 12 of a 20 year plan...
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His technique flaws were always on display, this is simply a former coach absolving himself of any culpability. I'm pretty sure Marc Colombo knows more about OL play than this dude, he actually played it in the NFL and has gotten a ton out of the guys he's coached. Thomas isn't the athlete people think he is, he's clumsy and his technique sucks, you could see it plain as day at UGA, and the SEC quals, bfd, name one SEC pass rusher he faced worth a shit last year.
Colombo was on the staff before the draft. Are you saying he had no input?
Do you think he did? If so how much? How many players do you think he had input on in Dallas? Coaches coach, scouts scout and Colombo was canned in Dallas. Do you think he walked in to Giants HQ and decided to turn scout? He'll coach who they pick. I'm sure he was involved but I don't see a guy banging the table for his guy, I see a coach trying to do his job.
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I think Thomas and Chaisson may have tangled a bit in the SEC Championship game. And Chaisson may have had a sack on Thomas's side But I can't recall specifically.
I really liked the upside of Chaisson as an edge rusher prospect.
But in general, I agree. Last year wasn't a bumper crop in the SEC with great pass rushers...
Thomas pretty much stonewalled Chaisson all game. He did a great job on him. I believe the sack came on someone else.
Thanks, Plank. The game was a wipe out and Georgia had to get out of their running game comfort zone. LSU forced Fromm to pass and he was under consistent pressure. So I thought Chaisson may have grabbed one of Thomas.
It might not be a bad idea to sit Thomas a couple of games so he can clear out his head. He looks lost out there at LT right now and playing with no confidence whatsoever.
I am not sure moving him to RT now cures his technique problems.
Let Peart play a couple of games at LT while Thomas sits. He can't be worse than Thomas right now.
I must admit going into the draft I was all in for Wirfs as a RT.Not sure how he is doing.
It might not be a bad idea to sit Thomas a couple of games so he can clear out his head. He looks lost out there at LT right now and playing with no confidence whatsoever.
I am not sure moving him to RT now cures his technique problems.
Let Peart play a couple of games at LT while Thomas sits. He can't be worse than Thomas right now.
I must admit going into the draft I was all in for Wirfs as a RT.Not sure how he is doing.
This really has nothing to do with his head. It’s a fundamental flaw that he got away with in college now that’s he’s going up against speed rushers with multiple moves. He can’t just really on opening the door soo to speak. He’s not even washing guys far enough out when he’s doing that. This is something that is going to take an offseason to fix. I’m for putting Peart out there and see what we have in him.
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I think Thomas and Chaisson may have tangled a bit in the SEC Championship game. And Chaisson may have had a sack on Thomas's side But I can't recall specifically.
I really liked the upside of Chaisson as an edge rusher prospect.
But in general, I agree. Last year wasn't a bumper crop in the SEC with great pass rushers...
Thomas pretty much stonewalled Chaisson all game. He did a great job on him. I believe the sack came on someone else.
Chaisson is barely playing so far. He's not Khalil Mack, and so far he's barely an NFL caliber pass rusher. Thomas playing well against him means what exactly? He's been horrible, worse than Flowers and I did not think that was possible. Flowers was at least strong, I don't see anything from Thomas and he's getting worse each week.
I was specifically answering a question on Chaisson, did you not read the previous comment? I wasn't making a comment on how good Chaisson was. For the record I thought he'd be a bust.