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Belichick: Too Crazy To Even Consider?

looie : 10/26/2020 4:07 pm
One would think Bill’s getting a bit frustrated in New England. They get crushed at home, sub-.500 record, no Brady, a disappointing Cam Newton. Maybe he’s ready to leave? Maybe we fire Gettleman after this year and convince Bill to come here as GM and re-unite with Judge? Just wishful thinking on my part?
Well, someone was going to make this thread.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/26/2020 4:09 pm : link
Might as well be you.
Maybe the deal has already been made and when it happens,  
Ivan15 : 10/26/2020 4:10 pm : link
The Giants will lose multiple draft picks for tampering.
Belichick wanting to leave New England for New York  
Ben in Tampa : 10/26/2020 4:18 pm : link
is the dumbest theory in all of Giants-land.

The only other one close is that if Keith Hamilton hadn't been flagged in Super Bowl XXXV, the Giants might have won the game.
I hate to break  
pjcas18 : 10/26/2020 4:20 pm : link
it to you, but Belichick is not the greatest GM. His draft record isn't great, his FA record isn't great, and his trades don't always work out.

However, he will trade down often and have a ton of late round draft picks so the people clamoring for more picks will love him.
Yeah, echoing off pjcas.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/26/2020 4:22 pm : link
BB hasn't exactly set the world on fire as a GM.
RE: I hate to break  
Victor in CT : 10/26/2020 4:27 pm : link
In comment 15025520 pjcas18 said:
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it to you, but Belichick is not the greatest GM. His draft record isn't great, his FA record isn't great, and his trades don't always work out.

However, he will trade down often and have a ton of late round draft picks so the people clamoring for more picks will love him.


You're right. Belichick the Coach has saved Belichick the GMs ass most of the time.
Not every random thought that pops  
allstarjim : 10/26/2020 4:27 pm : link
into one's head should be a thread.
We might be looking at a repeat of the 2007 offseason  
Matt in SGS : 10/26/2020 4:33 pm : link
Ernie retired and the Giants went looking for a GM. They wanted Scott Pioli from the Pats. All I can say, and I posted an asshat rumor on BBI back in 2006 on Christmas, that I heard the Giants wanted Pioli and were angling to bring in Belichick to replace Coughlin. The Pats gave permission for Pioli to interview, but he declined. In hindsight, Belichick/Pioli were forcing Bob Kraft's hand on money. They felt he didn't spend in free agency and that cost them a title in 2006 when they lost to Indy. Kraft promised to open the check book and they stayed. If he hedged, I think both ended up with the Giants.

Anyway, once Pioli said no, the Giants went with Jerry Reese as GM.

So what do I see for the 2021 offseason. I think Gettleman retires (or is pushed out, either way). I think the Giants ask for permission from the Pats to talk to Nick Caserio for the GM spot. Caserio is a young guy who has worked with Judge before from their time at the Pats. If Caserio says no, I think the Giants fall back on Kevin Abrams as GM. Just my gut, no asshat stuff there. We'll see if I'm right.
Bill  
TyreeHelmet : 10/26/2020 4:42 pm : link
When Belichick is retired and in his 90s BBI will still be posting about bringing him back
RE: We might be looking at a repeat of the 2007 offseason  
Ben in Tampa : 10/26/2020 4:48 pm : link
In comment 15025530 Matt in SGS said:
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Ernie retired and the Giants went looking for a GM. They wanted Scott Pioli from the Pats. All I can say, and I posted an asshat rumor on BBI back in 2006 on Christmas, that I heard the Giants wanted Pioli and were angling to bring in Belichick to replace Coughlin. The Pats gave permission for Pioli to interview, but he declined. In hindsight, Belichick/Pioli were forcing Bob Kraft's hand on money. They felt he didn't spend in free agency and that cost them a title in 2006 when they lost to Indy. Kraft promised to open the check book and they stayed. If he hedged, I think both ended up with the Giants.

Anyway, once Pioli said no, the Giants went with Jerry Reese as GM.

So what do I see for the 2021 offseason. I think Gettleman retires (or is pushed out, either way). I think the Giants ask for permission from the Pats to talk to Nick Caserio for the GM spot. Caserio is a young guy who has worked with Judge before from their time at the Pats. If Caserio says no, I think the Giants fall back on Kevin Abrams as GM. Just my gut, no asshat stuff there. We'll see if I'm right.


I agree with your thinking. Caserio signed a new deal earlier in the year, after the Houston situation, it's possible he put in a clause that wouldn't preclude him from leaving for a GM spot.
Yay the annual BB to NY thread  
Saquads26 : 10/26/2020 4:54 pm : link
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he can come here and be GM  
djm : 10/26/2020 4:56 pm : link
work with Judge, win big, and everyone lives happily ever after. Sound good?
RE: I hate to break  
ron mexico : 10/26/2020 5:02 pm : link
In comment 15025520 pjcas18 said:
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it to you, but Belichick is not the greatest GM. His draft record isn't great, his FA record isn't great, and his trades don't always work out.

However, he will trade down often and have a ton of late round draft picks so the people clamoring for more picks will love him.


I think he realizes how much of a crapshoot the draft is and doesn’t fall in love with any given player. Prefers to have multiple rolls

As far as criticism of his GM abilities go, in his 20 year history there, how many times have you thought that the patriots don’t have a talented roster?

People get too hung up on individual transactions and lose the forest for the trees.
IMO....  
BillKo : 10/26/2020 5:04 pm : link
....what you are seeing in NE could be planned.

Once BB realizes he can't compete with his roster (some of it due to COVID)............

He wants his next Tom Brady for 15 years.

Lawrence refuses to go to the very worst teams, but a team like NE that finishes with 4 wins.....is within striking distance with the proper draft trade assets.
RE: IMO....  
ron mexico : 10/26/2020 5:07 pm : link
In comment 15025564 BillKo said:
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....what you are seeing in NE could be planned.

Once BB realizes he can't compete with his roster (some of it due to COVID)............

He wants his next Tom Brady for 15 years.

Lawrence refuses to go to the very worst teams, but a team like NE that finishes with 4 wins.....is within striking distance with the proper draft trade assets.


I’ll bet you a million dollars they don’t end up with 4 wins

They still play the jets twice, Miami, Texans. Chargers, an up and down rams team

Only in our football, wildest, X-Rated fantasies.  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/26/2020 5:09 pm : link
Not gonna happen.
RE: IMO....  
Saquads26 : 10/26/2020 5:10 pm : link
In comment 15025564 BillKo said:
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....what you are seeing in NE could be planned.

Once BB realizes he can't compete with his roster (some of it due to COVID)............

He wants his next Tom Brady for 15 years.

Lawrence refuses to go to the very worst teams, but a team like NE that finishes with 4 wins.....is within striking distance with the proper draft trade assets.


There is zero chance they end up with 4 wins or Lawrence. You think the Jets are gonna trade with them?! LOL
RE: RE: IMO....  
BillKo : 10/26/2020 5:15 pm : link
In comment 15025569 Saquads26 said:
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In comment 15025564 BillKo said:


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....what you are seeing in NE could be planned.

Once BB realizes he can't compete with his roster (some of it due to COVID)............

He wants his next Tom Brady for 15 years.

Lawrence refuses to go to the very worst teams, but a team like NE that finishes with 4 wins.....is within striking distance with the proper draft trade assets.



There is zero chance they end up with 4 wins or Lawrence. You think the Jets are gonna trade with them?! LOL


Good point about the Jets...but if Lawrence refuses, then what?

My post was truly conspiracy theory, but when it involves BB why not play! :)
and don't forget...  
BillKo : 10/26/2020 5:16 pm : link
BB and the Pats play the Jets...TWICE

LOL
Not sure he is a GM  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 10/26/2020 5:18 pm : link
In fact pretty sure he isn’t. We already had a hall of fame coach in NYC as a GM and that didn’t go all that well.
I'm guessing as long as he wants to work  
steve in ky : 10/26/2020 5:24 pm : link
he would want to try and pass Shula for the most wins as a HC. Passing that up and staying active in football as a gm would probably feel like a missed historic opportunity compared to remaining a hc and becoming the all time win leader. I bet things would have to become real dire for him to leave coaching unless it was to retire outright.
RE: RE: I hate to break  
pjcas18 : 10/26/2020 5:25 pm : link
In comment 15025562 ron mexico said:
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In comment 15025520 pjcas18 said:


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it to you, but Belichick is not the greatest GM. His draft record isn't great, his FA record isn't great, and his trades don't always work out.

However, he will trade down often and have a ton of late round draft picks so the people clamoring for more picks will love him.



I think he realizes how much of a crapshoot the draft is and doesn’t fall in love with any given player. Prefers to have multiple rolls

As far as criticism of his GM abilities go, in his 20 year history there, how many times have you thought that the patriots don’t have a talented roster?

People get too hung up on individual transactions and lose the forest for the trees.


absolutely thought their roster paled in comparison with their main rivals of the era. Always had to hear how Peyton was throwing the ball to hall of famers like Faulk, Edge, Harrison, Wayne, etc. and Brady was stuck with Deion Branch and David Patten and David Givens. Same with the Chargers and Rivers, Tomlinson and Gates.

the one year Brady had elite weapons (Moss, Welker, etc.) their offense broke the record as did Brady (since broken again).

I remember a time in 2009 (?) after the Patriots were bounced early in the playoffs to the Ravens and the Jets went to the conference finals the local beat writers in Boston were convinced the Jets had a better roster everywhere except QB - and even then Sanchez was young and people felt that competition wasn't over.

So, no, I'm not talking about individual transactions.

I think people VASTLY underestimate how much game planning and coaching contributed to the Patriots dynasty - in many cases IMO resulting in a team well outperforming their talent level.

I know it's about, but the refrain of "Belichick the coach bailed out Belichick the GM" had been spoken often up here, especially after the 2014 and 2018 Super Bowls. 2016 is chalked up to ATL coaching small, but Belichick deserves credit for his own teams adjustments.

I’m all for giving BB credit for being an amazing coach  
ron mexico : 10/26/2020 5:29 pm : link
I just think the criticisms of his GM work are crazy.

I think if I were to fantasize about any new Giants' GM . . . .  
TC : 10/26/2020 5:31 pm : link
it wouldn't necessarily be Belichick. Might be John Lynch.
RE: I’m all for giving BB credit for being an amazing coach  
pjcas18 : 10/26/2020 5:33 pm : link
In comment 15025593 ron mexico said:
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I just think the criticisms of his GM work are crazy.

I think his job as a GM gets often overlooked or even assumed to be better than it is because his team wins so much.

I think if you actually examine his GM history, you will have a higher respect for coaching or his staff's coaching (not sure how much you value coaching vs GM today). I mean he's not Matt Millen, but he's also not as proficient as some people think.

......  
CoughlinHandsonHips : 10/26/2020 5:47 pm : link
Maybe we can get him to coach special teams
When you are always drafting at the bottom of a round, you can  
Ivan15 : 10/26/2020 7:08 pm : link
Take advantage of the suckers who want to trade up and collect their draft picks.
RE: IMO....  
GMen72 : 10/26/2020 9:45 pm : link
In comment 15025564 BillKo said:
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....what you are seeing in NE could be planned.

Once BB realizes he can't compete with his roster (some of it due to COVID)............

He wants his next Tom Brady for 15 years.

Lawrence refuses to go to the very worst teams, but a team like NE that finishes with 4 wins.....is within striking distance with the proper draft trade assets.


If he wanted to tank, they wouldn't have signed Cam. With Stidham and the Covid opt-outs, they had a chance.
I'd say there's a much higher chance  
moespree : 10/26/2020 10:08 pm : link
The Giants hired Nick Caserio to reunite with Judge than Bill Belichick.
These may be my least favorite threads  
jrthomps2006 : 10/27/2020 12:29 am : link
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you must be drinking water  
bc4life : 10/27/2020 6:37 pm : link
out of the same stream as Ralph C
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