post. That said, I get his frustration. We've been watching trash for far too long.
I want talking about paying a highlight clip. I was talking about just feeling good about any of the five of them. And why would we?
So you can't put together a highlight clip of Jones, Barkley and Lawrence?? You can't feel good about any of them?? And using the logic you do, why the fuck would Jets fans be feeling good, afterall, a high draft pick plays and they still lose.
Isn't that the song and dance that you do on the dead horse every fucking day?
Now I’ve seen it all. A few good plays from Becton and Go Terps actually forgets that Saquon Barkley is on the Giants
Barkley hasn't made any difference from day one, and his best days from a health and cost perspective are over.
But no feel good moments for you at all?
Not really, no. It's been three years of irrelevance and bad football. The first good feeling has been Judge, who actually might be able to point is back in the direction of actual professional football.
Now I’ve seen it all. A few good plays from Becton and Go Terps actually forgets that Saquon Barkley is on the Giants
Barkley hasn't made any difference from day one, and his best days from a health and cost perspective are over.
But no feel good moments for you at all?
Not really, no. It's been three years of irrelevance and bad football. The first good feeling has been Judge, who actually might be able to point is back in the direction of actual professional football.
That makes me sad, actually. Even in the morass of bad losses and overall disappointment, I've seen moments of tremendous individual plays from both Saquon and DJ that make me feel good. I thought that was true for everyone; small moments of joy in darkness and all that jazz.
The dumbasses on the board that called him Ereck Flowers 2.0
Now I’ve seen it all. A few good plays from Becton and Go Terps actually forgets that Saquon Barkley is on the Giants
Barkley hasn't made any difference from day one, and his best days from a health and cost perspective are over.
But no feel good moments for you at all?
Not really, no. It's been three years of irrelevance and bad football. The first good feeling has been Judge, who actually might be able to point is back in the direction of actual professional football.
That makes me sad, actually. Even in the morass of bad losses and overall disappointment, I've seen moments of tremendous individual plays from both Saquon and DJ that make me feel good. I thought that was true for everyone; small moments of joy in darkness and all that jazz.
It makes me sad too. Watching the Giants used to be a lot of fun.
FMiC - how's it feel to have spent three years being the white knight for an arrogant failure at GM? It's not often someone is as wrong for as long on something that big as you've been. I can understand you grasping at straws now.
Look at the board today. Nearly every fucking thread has references to the GM being an abject failure. Prior to the GM, it was Eli.
Everything has become an over the top mob beating. And the foolishness is acting as if just replacing the GM is the cure, just like replacing Eli was the cure.
Some of you guys spend a great deal of time posting every fucking day about how terrible the team you follow is. And then proudly beat your chests that you've been "right". It's so warped that if people aren't trashing the team daily, they are called "defenders".
Spending so much time on a FAN site mocking people who aren't screaming like a banshee daily seems pretty fucking rewarding, no? What do you get for bitching for several fucking years? The joy of watching a losing football team!
I respect both of your opinions and enjoy both of your posts. I have supported Gettleman through this whole “rebuild” up until this season which I think we have in common FMIC. I agree with GoTerps on this one. I mean I’m not saying all of the guys the Giants have drafted are trash, but we haven’t really made much progress here the last few years. It’s getting pretty pathetic. Remember, the Browns were coming off an 0-16 season the year we drafted Barkley. Now they are looking like a potential playoff team and we look like we’ll be picking in the top 5 again. That’s piss poor GM work. We should be working our way towards middle of the pack at this point.
Spending so much time on a FAN site mocking people who aren't screaming like a banshee daily seems pretty fucking rewarding, no? What do you get for bitching for several fucking years? The joy of watching a losing football team!
But please show me a clip of Thomas playing like that from 2020. Hint: you won't.
And yes, I get it. He's 21. It's only 7 games. It'd be foolish to write him off a bust. That said, he's been awful & to say otherwise is ignore reality.
it would be great to be able to do this with one of Gettleman's five first round picks in three years (including 3 in the top 6).
But you can't.
Come on man, no need for hyperbole, Barkley and Jones have NFL highlight reels. Just for different reasons may not wind up as the best picks in their respective spots.
Exactly. Some of this shit is comical. I’m 40 years old . Giants have won 4 Super Bowls in my lifetime. These dummkopfs are fellating the Jets and Cardinals. Jets haven’t won since Namath, and the Cardinals in 70 years or so, the longest drought in any major sport.
The criticism of Barkley is precisely that he makes the highlight plays but has other weaknesses, yet here someone is complaining about how no Giants have any highlights like the fat guy blocking. Have you ever watched Barkley play?
Now this is hyperbole. No one is “fellating” the Jets. But it is extremely hard to see these other round one tackles playing so much better than ours, when we had the pick of the liter. And with Thomas, it’s not just a couple of isolated plays, it’s fairly constant. Are you seeing different?
but he's certainly a big problem that needs to be removed in order for the cure to be administered.
There are three critical areas to NFL success: ownership, talent collection, and coaching. Trying to weigh their importance is subjective, but I’d probably say something like 20/40/40. The 20% is ownership.
Mara isn’t giving up ownership, and I doubt he fires any family member. So that is what it is...
I think we both like the potential upside of Judge. You more than me, I think. But let’s say that piece of the equation is satisfied for now.
But the talent collection part has been nothing short of dismal under Gettleman. We’ve covered all of the examples ad nauseam - drafted players, draft management, free agency, contracts, Eli, trades, analytics etc. It’s a long, deep list. So until that critical piece gets replaced with new blood, and most preferably a complete outsider, this is where we have the biggest impediment to that success.
Not really. The whole point was the implied and trite "Thomas sucks" and everybody understood that without a need to preface anything.
You understood what you wanted to understand.
Half the problem with this site's attempts at discussing anything is the halfwitted need to be "right".
You can't look at anything without feeling like its an attack on your "take" and you fire off into defense mode.
I want Thomas to be good. I've posted links to and my own clips of his positive plays, few though they have been to this point. I've defended him for weeks. And also its 100% valid to discuss other players of the same draft class at the same position showing a modicum more ability than they player we drafted. The first line in this post is me taking a mea culpa that I wouldn't have drafted Becton either.
Who wouldn’t want a guy that big and dominant (in selected highlight).
Watching football is about joy and that was exciting to watch a huge guy dominate. I haven’t felt that type of excitement in quite a while. Thomas may very well be a dominant player but haven’t seen him snap a guys head back and dominate
Let the Jets fans enjoy.
And get off GT. Jeeez. He’s not wrong. We really have missed a lot of too notch players that would be great to watch in blue
Who wouldn’t want a guy that big and dominant (in selected highlight).
Watching football is about joy and that was exciting to watch a huge guy dominate. I haven’t felt that type of excitement in quite a while. Thomas may very well be a dominant player but haven’t seen him snap a guys head back and dominate
Let the Jets fans enjoy.
And get off GT. Jeeez. He’s not wrong. We really have missed a lot of too notch players that would be great to watch in blue
If I'm not wrong, then it means ownership and the front office are incompetent... that's tough for some fans to take - even when the product on the field proves again and again that I'm not wrong.
Gettleman's legacy here is basically a bare cupboard, a typing GIF, and a couple dozen stupid quotes. And he was an arrogant jerk to boot. It will be good riddance.
Plague this franchise and fan base. When you micro analyze each move and decision you can make the argument that it was the correct one. I would tell everyone to back off that shit. There a few people here with real knowledge but most us don't know shit.
You have to back off and look at the team from a higher orbit and there has to be accountability. FMiC and I had a discussion when DG was hired and he is part of the reason I have the view I have. Year 3 was when it would be reasonable to hold DG accountable. FMiC was correct. This is DGs team now, very little is left from Reese. He is on his second coach and he has complete rebuilt the OL.
I am giving him until the end of they year but the record is indefensible and there is no need to debate the minutiae of it. The record is what it is. The only thing that could save him is if DJ looks like a franchise QB by the end of they year and AT has a miraculous turnaround. Neither seems likely right now. Our record will reflect with a good second half if it happens.
If you stop the world right now and evaluate DG fairly he is the worst GM in the league in the only statistical measure that should matter when evaluating an executive. Wins and losses. End of the year is the appropriate time.
I would say that year three is still ongoing, but yeah....
Who wouldn’t want a guy that big and dominant (in selected highlight).
Watching football is about joy and that was exciting to watch a huge guy dominate. I haven’t felt that type of excitement in quite a while. Thomas may very well be a dominant player but haven’t seen him snap a guys head back and dominate
Let the Jets fans enjoy.
And get off GT. Jeeez. He’s not wrong. We really have missed a lot of too notch players that would be great to watch in blue
If I'm not wrong, then it means ownership and the front office are incompetent... that's tough for some fans to take - even when the product on the field proves again and again that I'm not wrong.
Gettleman's legacy here is basically a bare cupboard, a typing GIF, and a couple dozen stupid quotes. And he was an arrogant jerk to boot. It will be good riddance.
The irony is that MB is the very definition of a hog mollie
Again, not saying we showed have picked him over Thomas. But the pick itself seems to run counter to DGs vision. Which is the problem in itself. He doesn’t seem to have an identity for this team or it changes at a moments notice when it suits his needs. I was originally a fan but his arrogance has worn on my and it’s time to move on.
Better yet, get McKinsey in the building and tear up the organization. Analyze successful organizations and figure out who you want to be as be and how to get there. Hold onto Judge and Graham who I see some promise...though it’s up to new GM to figure it out
RE: I would say that year three is still ongoing, but yeah....
Now if the team were to somehow gel and rip off six or seven wins out of its last nine in a scrappy fashion, the conversation is different.
But as of right now it looks like DG has failed overall.
I agree with that Britt. He has until the end of the year. Also, I wont call the guy names and curse at him but at the end of the year if this thing isn't looking right I will be on the team calling for his replacement.
Plague this franchise and fan base. When you micro analyze each move and decision you can make the argument that it was the correct one. I would tell everyone to back off that shit. There a few people here with real knowledge but most us don't know shit.
You have to back off and look at the team from a higher orbit and there has to be accountability. FMiC and I had a discussion when DG was hired and he is part of the reason I have the view I have. Year 3 was when it would be reasonable to hold DG accountable. FMiC was correct. This is DGs team now, very little is left from Reese. He is on his second coach and he has complete rebuilt the OL.
I am giving him until the end of they year but the record is indefensible and there is no need to debate the minutiae of it. The record is what it is. The only thing that could save him is if DJ looks like a franchise QB by the end of they year and AT has a miraculous turnaround. Neither seems likely right now. Our record will reflect with a good second half if it happens.
If you stop the world right now and evaluate DG fairly he is the worst GM in the league in the only statistical measure that should matter when evaluating an executive. Wins and losses. End of the year is the appropriate time.
That's usually the reasonable way to look at the hires. As we sit at 1-6 with a roster that still looks to be bottom-tier, you should still let the season play out, but it looks like DG has failed.
I said at the beginning of the season that if we weren't contending for a division title or showing massive improvement, DG should be fired. And yet, I'm called a white knight and a defender.
Everyone is frustrated, but that doesn't mean the board has to be a bitchfest 24/7
No one was sitting around patiently waiting for year three to arrive to analyze DG's performance - we had plenty of data points prior to see this wasn't going well and waiting for this year was unnecessary. Most people weighed in on their views the team made real time, and unfortunately Go Terps was proven correct. It was obvious going into this year that this team would be dogshit because of the piss-poor job Gettleman did the prior off-seasons. Anybody entering this year with optimism was clueless.
was my guy in the draft but I also said I don't really know shit. So, I can't pat myself on the back. My reasoning was that at his size and athletic ability there would be plays, even from day 1, where he obliterates his man. I thought SB and a Giant hole...viola. Thomas could still end up being the better player long term folks. Wait the season before you sharpen those forks.
Also, Becton looks really good but he isn't Walter Jones. He seems to have a handful of pretty bad plays a game.
It's discouraging that him and Wirfs look much better than Thomas.
Wirfs you can't really determine, because he's playing right tackle, and is protecting a HOF QB. But I would would Wills up there, he's looked very good overall as well.
move. Today it’s fire him at the end of the season.
What does cure the New York Giants in your new Come to Jesus mindset?
LOL. Come to Jesus?? The point is - there is no easy cure. Getting rid of Gettleman doesn't assure us an immediate turnaround, or even a turnaround.
What would go a long way to making us a functional team would be to have just an average OL.
But I'm sure making every thread into a bash Gettleman-fest is leading to improvement.
To use a new phrase uttered by a moron - "Lord"
You proclaim last night that getting rid of Gettleman doesn't seemingly cure anything. Now this morning its fire him at the end of the season.
I ask you what would help cure the Giants if shedding the GM won't...and you come up with stabilize the OL, and broad disclaimers that there is no easy or immediate fix.
Fabulous, as if all the posters you are calling "fools and morons" haven't considered those bright ideas already.
For a guy who doesn't want to be called a defender of DG you sure go thru twists & turns to infer that a different GM isn't going to help, or even possibly will help.
Lord.
RE: RE: Last night it was foolish to just replace Gettleman as a helpful
What would go a long way to making us a functional team would be to have just an average OL.
That's been a problem for a long time, and it seemed the "cure" was Mr. Self-Proclaimed Hog Mollie expert himself. So why shouldn't he be taken to the woodshed for such an epic failure?
across the board on all of the OL, it was widely known that Wills was the most pro ready, but he likely had the lowest ceiling. Most folks knew he would be pretty solid right away, and he has been.
That being said, a lot of people said Thomas had the potential to be a dominating left tackle. Sy even said it in his draft preview - "Thomas at his best is better than both Wirfs and Wills."
that the draft is largely about potential and not immediate returns. That's why I wanted Thomas and would have been fine with Becton if we took him. Wirfs and Wills seemed like "good" players to me. Which I guess we would take RIGHT NOW, but we are talking 1-2 years from now, and we'll see if Thomas can put it together.
RE: RE: RE: Last night it was foolish to just replace Gettleman as a helpful
What would go a long way to making us a functional team would be to have just an average OL.
That's been a problem for a long time, and it seemed the "cure" was Mr. Self-Proclaimed Hog Mollie expert himself. So why shouldn't he be taken to the woodshed for such an epic failure?
Because apparently we just learned it wasn't easy to stabilize an OL. And unlikely no other GM will be any different, even if had three offseasons and top 6 picks in each of those drafts to achieve ANY improvement at all.
Lord.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Last night it was foolish to just replace Gettleman as a helpful
And unlikely no other GM will be any different, even if had three offseasons and top 6 picks in each of those drafts to achieve ANY improvement at all.
I don't think he said improvement with a different GM is unlikely... just that such improvement is not assured.
And of course that is true. The Giants could hire a total moron. But my guess is whoever they hire to replace Gettleman will find it difficult to perform worse than he did.
Santa - of course it's not assured. Doesn't that go without
move. Today it’s fire him at the end of the season.
What does cure the New York Giants in your new Come to Jesus mindset?
LOL. Come to Jesus?? The point is - there is no easy cure. Getting rid of Gettleman doesn't assure us an immediate turnaround, or even a turnaround.
What would go a long way to making us a functional team would be to have just an average OL.
But I'm sure making every thread into a bash Gettleman-fest is leading to improvement.
To use a new phrase uttered by a moron - "Lord"
You proclaim last night that getting rid of Gettleman doesn't seemingly cure anything. Now this morning its fire him at the end of the season.
I ask you what would help cure the Giants if shedding the GM won't...and you come up with stabilize the OL, and broad disclaimers that there is no easy or immediate fix.
Fabulous, as if all the posters you are calling "fools and morons" haven't considered those bright ideas already.
For a guy who doesn't want to be called a defender of DG you sure go thru twists & turns to infer that a different GM isn't going to help, or even possibly will help.
Lord.
Lord.
For a guy who stresses reading comprehension, you are really poor at it.
I didn't say getting rid of Gettleman doesn't cure anything. I said it doesn't cure EVERYTHING.
A huge distinction. But then again - feigning stupidity doesn't let you trot out your buzzword of the week.....
Lord.
Yeah, like we are all waiting here winning 3 games per year
because the Giants can't find the perfect GM to fix everything that ails them. Oh my, what a huge distinction that you cleared up for everyone. Sign us up for 3 more years of Gettleman if that is the case.
Have you gone so over the deep end with your defense for Gettleman that you are going to continue to post such nonsense and call everybody stupid morons and fools that suggest he is the problem?
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post. That said, I get his frustration. We've been watching trash for far too long.
I want talking about paying a highlight clip. I was talking about just feeling good about any of the five of them. And why would we?
So you can't put together a highlight clip of Jones, Barkley and Lawrence?? You can't feel good about any of them?? And using the logic you do, why the fuck would Jets fans be feeling good, afterall, a high draft pick plays and they still lose.
Isn't that the song and dance that you do on the dead horse every fucking day?
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Now I’ve seen it all. A few good plays from Becton and Go Terps actually forgets that Saquon Barkley is on the Giants
Barkley hasn't made any difference from day one, and his best days from a health and cost perspective are over.
You sure do move goalposts around a lot.
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Now I’ve seen it all. A few good plays from Becton and Go Terps actually forgets that Saquon Barkley is on the Giants
Barkley hasn't made any difference from day one, and his best days from a health and cost perspective are over.
But no feel good moments for you at all?
Not really, no. It's been three years of irrelevance and bad football. The first good feeling has been Judge, who actually might be able to point is back in the direction of actual professional football.
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Now I’ve seen it all. A few good plays from Becton and Go Terps actually forgets that Saquon Barkley is on the Giants
Barkley hasn't made any difference from day one, and his best days from a health and cost perspective are over.
But no feel good moments for you at all?
Not really, no. It's been three years of irrelevance and bad football. The first good feeling has been Judge, who actually might be able to point is back in the direction of actual professional football.
That makes me sad, actually. Even in the morass of bad losses and overall disappointment, I've seen moments of tremendous individual plays from both Saquon and DJ that make me feel good. I thought that was true for everyone; small moments of joy in darkness and all that jazz.
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Now I’ve seen it all. A few good plays from Becton and Go Terps actually forgets that Saquon Barkley is on the Giants
Barkley hasn't made any difference from day one, and his best days from a health and cost perspective are over.
But no feel good moments for you at all?
Not really, no. It's been three years of irrelevance and bad football. The first good feeling has been Judge, who actually might be able to point is back in the direction of actual professional football.
That makes me sad, actually. Even in the morass of bad losses and overall disappointment, I've seen moments of tremendous individual plays from both Saquon and DJ that make me feel good. I thought that was true for everyone; small moments of joy in darkness and all that jazz.
It makes me sad too. Watching the Giants used to be a lot of fun.
FMiC - how's it feel to have spent three years being the white knight for an arrogant failure at GM? It's not often someone is as wrong for as long on something that big as you've been. I can understand you grasping at straws now.
Look at the board today. Nearly every fucking thread has references to the GM being an abject failure. Prior to the GM, it was Eli.
Everything has become an over the top mob beating. And the foolishness is acting as if just replacing the GM is the cure, just like replacing Eli was the cure.
Some of you guys spend a great deal of time posting every fucking day about how terrible the team you follow is. And then proudly beat your chests that you've been "right". It's so warped that if people aren't trashing the team daily, they are called "defenders".
Spending so much time on a FAN site mocking people who aren't screaming like a banshee daily seems pretty fucking rewarding, no? What do you get for bitching for several fucking years? The joy of watching a losing football team!
Yay you!
Spending so much time on a FAN site mocking people who aren't screaming like a banshee daily seems pretty fucking rewarding, no? What do you get for bitching for several fucking years? The joy of watching a losing football team!
That's the irony!
Hey Googs, um when have I spent years bitching about the team??
And yes, I get it. He's 21. It's only 7 games. It'd be foolish to write him off a bust. That said, he's been awful & to say otherwise is ignore reality.
Plus 1
True. Nice to see him tossing NFL guys around like boys, too.
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it would be great to be able to do this with one of Gettleman's five first round picks in three years (including 3 in the top 6).
But you can't.
Come on man, no need for hyperbole, Barkley and Jones have NFL highlight reels. Just for different reasons may not wind up as the best picks in their respective spots.
Exactly. Some of this shit is comical. I’m 40 years old . Giants have won 4 Super Bowls in my lifetime. These dummkopfs are fellating the Jets and Cardinals. Jets haven’t won since Namath, and the Cardinals in 70 years or so, the longest drought in any major sport.
The criticism of Barkley is precisely that he makes the highlight plays but has other weaknesses, yet here someone is complaining about how no Giants have any highlights like the fat guy blocking. Have you ever watched Barkley play?
Now this is hyperbole. No one is “fellating” the Jets. But it is extremely hard to see these other round one tackles playing so much better than ours, when we had the pick of the liter. And with Thomas, it’s not just a couple of isolated plays, it’s fairly constant. Are you seeing different?
Gettleman was 11-5 in his last year before he wore out his welcome in your backyard.
In three years here so far, the teams he has built have ten wins. Ten.
So absolutely replacing the GM is the cure.
This. There are probably 20 things that need to happen to get back to relevance and getting rid of DG is one of them.
There are three critical areas to NFL success: ownership, talent collection, and coaching. Trying to weigh their importance is subjective, but I’d probably say something like 20/40/40. The 20% is ownership.
Mara isn’t giving up ownership, and I doubt he fires any family member. So that is what it is...
I think we both like the potential upside of Judge. You more than me, I think. But let’s say that piece of the equation is satisfied for now.
But the talent collection part has been nothing short of dismal under Gettleman. We’ve covered all of the examples ad nauseam - drafted players, draft management, free agency, contracts, Eli, trades, analytics etc. It’s a long, deep list. So until that critical piece gets replaced with new blood, and most preferably a complete outsider, this is where we have the biggest impediment to that success.
This is fucking silly. Its been 7 games amd we all knew that the learning curve for rookies would be rough. How soon we gorget.
Thank you chopper.
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that he wasn't perfect.
You forgot what site you're on!
Not really. The whole point was the implied and trite "Thomas sucks" and everybody understood that without a need to preface anything.
You understood what you wanted to understand.
Half the problem with this site's attempts at discussing anything is the halfwitted need to be "right".
You can't look at anything without feeling like its an attack on your "take" and you fire off into defense mode.
I want Thomas to be good. I've posted links to and my own clips of his positive plays, few though they have been to this point. I've defended him for weeks. And also its 100% valid to discuss other players of the same draft class at the same position showing a modicum more ability than they player we drafted. The first line in this post is me taking a mea culpa that I wouldn't have drafted Becton either.
People buy draft guides in 2020?
Watching football is about joy and that was exciting to watch a huge guy dominate. I haven’t felt that type of excitement in quite a while. Thomas may very well be a dominant player but haven’t seen him snap a guys head back and dominate
Let the Jets fans enjoy.
And get off GT. Jeeez. He’s not wrong. We really have missed a lot of too notch players that would be great to watch in blue
Watching football is about joy and that was exciting to watch a huge guy dominate. I haven’t felt that type of excitement in quite a while. Thomas may very well be a dominant player but haven’t seen him snap a guys head back and dominate
Let the Jets fans enjoy.
And get off GT. Jeeez. He’s not wrong. We really have missed a lot of too notch players that would be great to watch in blue
If I'm not wrong, then it means ownership and the front office are incompetent... that's tough for some fans to take - even when the product on the field proves again and again that I'm not wrong.
Gettleman's legacy here is basically a bare cupboard, a typing GIF, and a couple dozen stupid quotes. And he was an arrogant jerk to boot. It will be good riddance.
You have to back off and look at the team from a higher orbit and there has to be accountability. FMiC and I had a discussion when DG was hired and he is part of the reason I have the view I have. Year 3 was when it would be reasonable to hold DG accountable. FMiC was correct. This is DGs team now, very little is left from Reese. He is on his second coach and he has complete rebuilt the OL.
I am giving him until the end of they year but the record is indefensible and there is no need to debate the minutiae of it. The record is what it is. The only thing that could save him is if DJ looks like a franchise QB by the end of they year and AT has a miraculous turnaround. Neither seems likely right now. Our record will reflect with a good second half if it happens.
If you stop the world right now and evaluate DG fairly he is the worst GM in the league in the only statistical measure that should matter when evaluating an executive. Wins and losses. End of the year is the appropriate time.
Now if the team were to somehow gel and rip off six or seven wins out of its last nine in a scrappy fashion, the conversation is different.
But as of right now it looks like DG has failed overall.
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Who wouldn’t want a guy that big and dominant (in selected highlight).
Watching football is about joy and that was exciting to watch a huge guy dominate. I haven’t felt that type of excitement in quite a while. Thomas may very well be a dominant player but haven’t seen him snap a guys head back and dominate
Let the Jets fans enjoy.
And get off GT. Jeeez. He’s not wrong. We really have missed a lot of too notch players that would be great to watch in blue
If I'm not wrong, then it means ownership and the front office are incompetent... that's tough for some fans to take - even when the product on the field proves again and again that I'm not wrong.
Gettleman's legacy here is basically a bare cupboard, a typing GIF, and a couple dozen stupid quotes. And he was an arrogant jerk to boot. It will be good riddance.
The irony is that MB is the very definition of a hog mollie
Again, not saying we showed have picked him over Thomas. But the pick itself seems to run counter to DGs vision. Which is the problem in itself. He doesn’t seem to have an identity for this team or it changes at a moments notice when it suits his needs. I was originally a fan but his arrogance has worn on my and it’s time to move on.
Better yet, get McKinsey in the building and tear up the organization. Analyze successful organizations and figure out who you want to be as be and how to get there. Hold onto Judge and Graham who I see some promise...though it’s up to new GM to figure it out
Now if the team were to somehow gel and rip off six or seven wins out of its last nine in a scrappy fashion, the conversation is different.
But as of right now it looks like DG has failed overall.
You have to back off and look at the team from a higher orbit and there has to be accountability. FMiC and I had a discussion when DG was hired and he is part of the reason I have the view I have. Year 3 was when it would be reasonable to hold DG accountable. FMiC was correct. This is DGs team now, very little is left from Reese. He is on his second coach and he has complete rebuilt the OL.
I am giving him until the end of they year but the record is indefensible and there is no need to debate the minutiae of it. The record is what it is. The only thing that could save him is if DJ looks like a franchise QB by the end of they year and AT has a miraculous turnaround. Neither seems likely right now. Our record will reflect with a good second half if it happens.
If you stop the world right now and evaluate DG fairly he is the worst GM in the league in the only statistical measure that should matter when evaluating an executive. Wins and losses. End of the year is the appropriate time.
That's usually the reasonable way to look at the hires. As we sit at 1-6 with a roster that still looks to be bottom-tier, you should still let the season play out, but it looks like DG has failed.
I said at the beginning of the season that if we weren't contending for a division title or showing massive improvement, DG should be fired. And yet, I'm called a white knight and a defender.
Everyone is frustrated, but that doesn't mean the board has to be a bitchfest 24/7
It's discouraging that him and Wirfs look much better than Thomas.
What does cure the New York Giants in your new Come to Jesus mindset?
Which indicates that he has or had questionable judgement issues.
People want to criticize Thomas's play, have at it. Put Gettleman on blast? That's fine.
But if you trust Judge at all, and you trust Garrett and/or Columbo at all, then give them time to work on improving him.
And using a guy who failed a drug test, he KNEW, was coming..
That ain't the hill to die on.
Becton drug test - ( New Window )
It's discouraging that him and Wirfs look much better than Thomas.
Wirfs you can't really determine, because he's playing right tackle, and is protecting a HOF QB. But I would would Wills up there, he's looked very good overall as well.
What does cure the New York Giants in your new Come to Jesus mindset?
LOL. Come to Jesus?? The point is - there is no easy cure. Getting rid of Gettleman doesn't assure us an immediate turnaround, or even a turnaround.
What would go a long way to making us a functional team would be to have just an average OL.
But I'm sure making every thread into a bash Gettleman-fest is leading to improvement.
To use a new phrase uttered by a moron - "Lord"
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move. Today it’s fire him at the end of the season.
What does cure the New York Giants in your new Come to Jesus mindset?
LOL. Come to Jesus?? The point is - there is no easy cure. Getting rid of Gettleman doesn't assure us an immediate turnaround, or even a turnaround.
What would go a long way to making us a functional team would be to have just an average OL.
But I'm sure making every thread into a bash Gettleman-fest is leading to improvement.
To use a new phrase uttered by a moron - "Lord"
You proclaim last night that getting rid of Gettleman doesn't seemingly cure anything. Now this morning its fire him at the end of the season.
I ask you what would help cure the Giants if shedding the GM won't...and you come up with stabilize the OL, and broad disclaimers that there is no easy or immediate fix.
Fabulous, as if all the posters you are calling "fools and morons" haven't considered those bright ideas already.
For a guy who doesn't want to be called a defender of DG you sure go thru twists & turns to infer that a different GM isn't going to help, or even possibly will help.
Lord.
What would go a long way to making us a functional team would be to have just an average OL.
That's been a problem for a long time, and it seemed the "cure" was Mr. Self-Proclaimed Hog Mollie expert himself. So why shouldn't he be taken to the woodshed for such an epic failure?
That being said, a lot of people said Thomas had the potential to be a dominating left tackle. Sy even said it in his draft preview - "Thomas at his best is better than both Wirfs and Wills."
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What would go a long way to making us a functional team would be to have just an average OL.
That's been a problem for a long time, and it seemed the "cure" was Mr. Self-Proclaimed Hog Mollie expert himself. So why shouldn't he be taken to the woodshed for such an epic failure?
Because apparently we just learned it wasn't easy to stabilize an OL. And unlikely no other GM will be any different, even if had three offseasons and top 6 picks in each of those drafts to achieve ANY improvement at all.
Lord.
And unlikely no other GM will be any different, even if had three offseasons and top 6 picks in each of those drafts to achieve ANY improvement at all.
I don't think he said improvement with a different GM is unlikely... just that such improvement is not assured.
And of course that is true. The Giants could hire a total moron. But my guess is whoever they hire to replace Gettleman will find it difficult to perform worse than he did.
With that said though, Gettleman has set a pretty damn low floor (10 wins in 3 years, and 1 win thru October in Year 3) for the next guy to challenge!
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move. Today it’s fire him at the end of the season.
What does cure the New York Giants in your new Come to Jesus mindset?
LOL. Come to Jesus?? The point is - there is no easy cure. Getting rid of Gettleman doesn't assure us an immediate turnaround, or even a turnaround.
What would go a long way to making us a functional team would be to have just an average OL.
But I'm sure making every thread into a bash Gettleman-fest is leading to improvement.
To use a new phrase uttered by a moron - "Lord"
You proclaim last night that getting rid of Gettleman doesn't seemingly cure anything. Now this morning its fire him at the end of the season.
I ask you what would help cure the Giants if shedding the GM won't...and you come up with stabilize the OL, and broad disclaimers that there is no easy or immediate fix.
Fabulous, as if all the posters you are calling "fools and morons" haven't considered those bright ideas already.
For a guy who doesn't want to be called a defender of DG you sure go thru twists & turns to infer that a different GM isn't going to help, or even possibly will help.
Lord.
Lord.
For a guy who stresses reading comprehension, you are really poor at it.
I didn't say getting rid of Gettleman doesn't cure anything. I said it doesn't cure EVERYTHING.
A huge distinction. But then again - feigning stupidity doesn't let you trot out your buzzword of the week.....
Lord.
Have you gone so over the deep end with your defense for Gettleman that you are going to continue to post such nonsense and call everybody stupid morons and fools that suggest he is the problem?
Psst...that was a rhetorical.