Russel 14 interceptions 16 fumbles
Jones 19 interceptions 23 fumbles
I like the kid, I really do. I think he can play in this league but god damn he’s a turnover machine. I don’t know if this is gonna be fixable. He shows us glimpses of brilliance but you’re just waiting for the other shoe to drop. Gun to my head, I don’t think he’s the guy to lead us back to the promise land. I hope he proves me wrong!
Can QB instincts really be improved? I’m not so sure
Add to this the skill players. He's had no run game a lot. He's never even had the full compliment of our very mediocre talent. They've been on the field together for all of 1/2 a game.
And the skill positions come up small for him so often. EE's drop is a prime example. Do you see some catches made around the league? Do we ever just make someone miss?
So, I'm not saying DJ is the answer 100%. To my eye, he has courage and reasonable accuracy, two things hard to teach. He has to read faster (it may help to be in the O more than 1 season), look off coverage better. I think he can develop that. But, without any help at all, how do we evaluate if problem is HIM or just the whole freaking shitshow.
Yeah, none whatsover, at least until Jones turns to "the purple drank" to ease his pain and misery.
Holy shit, indeed Montana.
Sorry Moopsy, I’ll work on that. As for you others who belittled me and my post I kindly ask you both to go piss up a rope.
Yeah, none whatsover, at least until Jones turns to "the purple drank" to ease his pain and misery.
Holy shit, indeed Montana.
It's like Bizzaro world Lou...
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20 games. Too damn lazy to look up fumbles. Dizzle that for me, wouldya?
Sorry Moopsy, I’ll work on that. As for you others who belittled me and my post I kindly ask you both to go piss up a rope.
Absolutely as long as your anchoring the bottom of it!
I like the guy,but until he plays his way out of that, ugly comparisons are fair.
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Are there really any parallels or comparisons at all to draw between Russell and Jones???
Yeah, none whatsover, at least until Jones turns to "the purple drank" to ease his pain and misery.
Holy shit, indeed Montana.
It's like Bizzaro world Lou...
Oh fuck off boomer. We all want the same thing and that’s the Giants to turn things around. I don’t know you from a hole in the wall pal so you can roll over and turn blue for all I care. I’m sick of all you old timers squealing like pigs under a gate. If you don’t like the post just keep scrolling. No need to be a condescending douchebag.
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Are there really any parallels or comparisons at all to draw between Russell and Jones???
Yeah, none whatsover, at least until Jones turns to "the purple drank" to ease his pain and misery.
Holy shit, indeed Montana.
It's like Bizzaro world Lou...
Oh fuck off boomer. We all want the same thing and that’s the Giants to turn things around. I don’t know you from a hole in the wall pal so you can roll over and turn blue for all I care. I’m sick of all you old timers squealing like pigs under a gate. If you don’t like the post just keep scrolling. No need to be a condescending douchebag.
You deserve to be mocked, cherry picking stats for your narrative.
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Are there really any parallels or comparisons at all to draw between Russell and Jones???
Yeah, none whatsover, at least until Jones turns to "the purple drank" to ease his pain and misery.
Holy shit, indeed Montana.
It's like Bizzaro world Lou...
Oh fuck off boomer. We all want the same thing and that’s the Giants to turn things around. I don’t know you from a hole in the wall pal so you can roll over and turn blue for all I care. I’m sick of all you old timers squealing like pigs under a gate. If you don’t like the post just keep scrolling. No need to be a condescending douchebag.
You deserve to be mocked, cherry picking stats for your narrative.
This! OP, you might have mentioned Russell never had a game with 5 touchdown passes, unlike Jones who had 3 in his rookie year
You should run for politics, you re very good at half truths.
Narratives like yours crop up here every day, they are very frustrating, but not very credible.
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Are there really any parallels or comparisons at all to draw between Russell and Jones???
Yeah, none whatsover, at least until Jones turns to "the purple drank" to ease his pain and misery.
Holy shit, indeed Montana.
It's like Bizzaro world Lou...
Oh fuck off boomer. We all want the same thing and that’s the Giants to turn things around. I don’t know you from a hole in the wall pal so you can roll over and turn blue for all I care. I’m sick of all you old timers squealing like pigs under a gate. If you don’t like the post just keep scrolling. No need to be a condescending douchebag.
You deserve to be mocked, cherry picking stats for your narrative.
This! OP, you might have mentioned Russell never had a game with 5 touchdown passes, unlike Jones who had 3 in his rookie year
You should run for politics, you re very good at half truths.
Narratives like yours crop up here every day, they are very frustrating, but not very credible.
Well said. What a waste of a thread. Though it was nice to see some stats the OP conveniently left out. ;-)
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Are there really any parallels or comparisons at all to draw between Russell and Jones???
Yeah, none whatsover, at least until Jones turns to "the purple drank" to ease his pain and misery.
Holy shit, indeed Montana.
It's like Bizzaro world Lou...
Oh fuck off boomer. We all want the same thing and that’s the Giants to turn things around. I don’t know you from a hole in the wall pal so you can roll over and turn blue for all I care. I’m sick of all you old timers squealing like pigs under a gate. If you don’t like the post just keep scrolling. No need to be a condescending douchebag.
You deserve to be mocked, cherry picking stats for your narrative.
This! OP, you might have mentioned Russell never had a game with 5 touchdown passes, unlike Jones who had 3 in his rookie year
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Well. He had one game with 5. Two games with 4. For the record.
The real problem is that we now have a full generation of posters who learned their football from playing Madden then honed their skills in Fantasy Leagues ... The virus has them ‘working from home’ with too much time on their hands so when they’re done playing with themselves they dream up shit like this.
Haha. A simple wrong would have been OK
Imagine if this board was around during the first 5 years of the Simms era?
Maybe if you show the whole picture next time like TD's (JR only 18 over 31 games vs DJ 29 over 20 games) and Completion % (JR 52.06% over 31 games vs DJ 61.9 over 20 games) Yards passing (JR 4083 over 31 games vs DJ 4437 over 20 games)
I don’t think Jones is really talented at all actually. He’s fast for a QB. Ok. Where’s the talent? His arm? Pocket instincts? Anticipation? Decision making? Winston is/was more talented than Jones, but he’s a colossal dumb fuck.
I can also see why teams wouldn’t touch him.
You can hand pick whatever stats you like to make Jones the next Jamarcus Russell or the next Peyton Manning. They are both pointless exercises.
If you want to provide some great insight into Jones as a QB, how about discussing his very own accuracy, pocket presence, ball security, running ability and intangibles? Trying to tether early career stats to someone you like or don't like is idiocy.
Morons and trolls baby... morons and trolls.
Watch out, Glickman had a rifle when he was 15
Russell
31 games:
52.1% comp
4038 yards
18 TD's 23 INTS
Jones
20 games
61.9% comp
4437 yards
29TD's 19INT
11 less games and more yards and TD's
What was the comp you were blabbing about again?
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Are there really any parallels or comparisons at all to draw between Russell and Jones???
Yeah, none whatsover, at least until Jones turns to "the purple drank" to ease his pain and misery.
Holy shit, indeed Montana.
It's like Bizzaro world Lou...
Oh fuck off boomer. We all want the same thing and that’s the Giants to turn things around. I don’t know you from a hole in the wall pal so you can roll over and turn blue for all I care. I’m sick of all you old timers squealing like pigs under a gate. If you don’t like the post just keep scrolling. No need to be a condescending douchebag.
Ah and there we go. Obviously a teenager who gets cornered and immediately rolls out the derogatory "boomer" comment when in trouble. Like calling someone an old fart is acceptable today in this PC world, and like you actually know how old he is anyway
Daniel Jones: 29 TD's, 4437 yards, times sacked: 58
Tom Brady: 29 TD's, 4175 yards, times sacked: 47
If they saw the following Daniel Jones stats:
Completions
2019 (13 games): 284
2020 (13 games pro-rated): 266
Attempts
2019 (13 games): 459
2020 (13 games pro-rated): 429
% Completions
2019 (13 games): 61.9%
2020 (13 games pro-rated): 61.9%
Passing Yardage
2019 (13 games): 3,027
2020 (13 games pro-rated): 2,619
TDs
2019 (13 games): 24
2020 (13 games pro-rated): 9
Interceptions
2019 (13 games): 12
2020 (13 games pro-rated): 13
Sacks
2019 (13 games): 38
2020 (13 games pro-rated): 37
Fumbles
2019 (13 games): 12
2020 (13 games pro-rated): 7
Fumbles Lost
2019 (13 games): 8
2020 (13 games pro-rated): 6
If they saw the following Daniel Jones stats:
Completions
2019 (13 games): 284
2020 (13 games pro-rated): 266
Attempts
2019 (13 games): 459
2020 (13 games pro-rated): 429
% Completions
2019 (13 games): 61.9%
2020 (13 games pro-rated): 61.9%
Passing Yardage
2019 (13 games): 3,027
2020 (13 games pro-rated): 2,619
TDs
2019 (13 games): 24
2020 (13 games pro-rated): 9
Interceptions
2019 (13 games): 12
2020 (13 games pro-rated): 13
Sacks
2019 (13 games): 38
2020 (13 games pro-rated): 37
Fumbles
2019 (13 games): 12
2020 (13 games pro-rated): 7
Fumbles Lost
2019 (13 games): 8
2020 (13 games pro-rated): 6
Those would be pathetic passing numbers if the pro-rated numbers pan out. Even if Jones does slightly better, his season numbers are going to look horrific in today’s NFL. They’d be bad numbers in the fucking 70’s and 80’s...
Russell
31 games:
52.1% comp
4038 yards
18 TD's 23 INTS
Jones
20 games
61.9% comp
4437 yards
29TD's 19INT
11 less games and more yards and TD's
What was the comp you were blabbing about again?
So, we’re just ignoring fumbles? This is the biggest concern, can’t just exclude it from the stats.
If they saw the following Daniel Jones stats:
Completions
2019 (13 games): 284
2020 (13 games pro-rated): 266
Attempts
2019 (13 games): 459
2020 (13 games pro-rated): 429
% Completions
2019 (13 games): 61.9%
2020 (13 games pro-rated): 61.9%
Passing Yardage
2019 (13 games): 3,027
2020 (13 games pro-rated): 2,619
TDs
2019 (13 games): 24
2020 (13 games pro-rated): 9
Interceptions
2019 (13 games): 12
2020 (13 games pro-rated): 13
Sacks
2019 (13 games): 38
2020 (13 games pro-rated): 37
Fumbles
2019 (13 games): 12
2020 (13 games pro-rated): 7
Fumbles Lost
2019 (13 games): 8
2020 (13 games pro-rated): 6
Well, logic would say, how, and why did Jones accomplish those numbers? The easy thing to do would be to look at those stats and say "He sucks".
First 20 career games (not starts since for the record Jones only has 19 starts)
Daniel Jones: 29 TD's, 4437 yards, times sacked: 58
Tom Brady: 29 TD's, 4175 yards, times sacked: 47
[quote] A majority of QB's in their first 20 games have similar stats. This post is irrelevant.
you are too level headed for this board. ;-)
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Are there really any parallels or comparisons at all to draw between Russell and Jones???
Yeah, none whatsover, at least until Jones turns to "the purple drank" to ease his pain and misery.
Holy shit, indeed Montana.
It's like Bizzaro world Lou...
Oh fuck off boomer. We all want the same thing and that’s the Giants to turn things around. I don’t know you from a hole in the wall pal so you can roll over and turn blue for all I care. I’m sick of all you old timers squealing like pigs under a gate. If you don’t like the post just keep scrolling. No need to be a condescending douchebag.
You deserve to be mocked, cherry picking stats for your narrative.
This! OP, you might have mentioned Russell never had a game with 5 touchdown passes, unlike Jones who had 3 in his rookie year
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Well. He had one game with 5. Two games with 4. For the record.
Should have said in one season has Jones did
Therein lies the issue. Unless something drastically changes this year, we're going to enter 2021 with the same questions about him as we did this year. Is this team one offseason away from putting together a decent line and acquiring "some" (I assume you mean multiple) playmakers? I know it seems like I have an agenda against the guy, but I just don't think the timeline of this team fits Jones. Its year 3 of Gettleman and even the most optimistic fan would have to admit we're still early in the rebuild. We'd be wasting the prime years of Jones' value on his rookie deal floundering around trying to build a roster around him and then find yourself potentially needing to extend him before the team even goes 8-8 with him.
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BUT, how many of the turnovers were fumbles caused by historically bad O-Line's allowing defenders to hit him almost as soon as he takes the snap? How many int's were due to him desperately trying to force the ball into a small window to make a play when his WR's and TE couldn't get separation? I think the lack of talent on this team has magnified/exaggerated his propensity to turn over the ball. Get him a decent line and some playmakers and the TO's will stop.
Therein lies the issue. Unless something drastically changes this year, we're going to enter 2021 with the same questions about him as we did this year. Is this team one offseason away from putting together a decent line and acquiring "some" (I assume you mean multiple) playmakers? I know it seems like I have an agenda against the guy, but I just don't think the timeline of this team fits Jones. Its year 3 of Gettleman and even the most optimistic fan would have to admit we're still early in the rebuild. We'd be wasting the prime years of Jones' value on his rookie deal floundering around trying to build a roster around him and then find yourself potentially needing to extend him before the team even goes 8-8 with him.
too much is being made of QB rookie contract. It is more important to get an elite QB. If Jones was elite we would keep him beyond the rookie deal. But he is not.