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NFT: NYC mayor the final hurdle for Cohen

DanMetroMan : 10/27/2020 5:14 pm
Owners expected to vote in favor of Cohen on Friday.. but..

“ The mayor’s office did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
There is a real fear on Cohen’s side, according to a person familiar with the situation, that the Mets will be placed at a competitive disadvantage if de Blasio does not sign over the lease by the time MLB owners vote on his transfer of power.” NYDN
Deblasio is the first thing that has worried me since bidding started  
Eric on Li : 10/27/2020 5:16 pm : link
he can't possibly want to be disliked more than he already is but never say never.
The city owns the stadium?  
rocco8112 : 10/27/2020 5:16 pm : link
What would be the reasoning behind not signing?
RE: The city owns the stadium?  
DanMetroMan : 10/27/2020 5:19 pm : link
In comment 15026480 rocco8112 said:
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What would be the reasoning behind not signing?


They hold the lease for the land.

"But on Monday, federal prosecutors announced that Mr. Cohen’s firm, SAC Capital Advisors, had agreed to plead guilty to insider trading violations and pay a record $1.2 billion penalty, becoming the first large Wall Street firm in a generation to confess to criminal conduct. The government has also forced SAC to terminate its business of managing money for outside investors."

the claim is he could use this to say Cohen is a "prohibited person". Worth noting the DOJ already signed off on the deal.
Per  
DanMetroMan : 10/27/2020 5:22 pm : link
Martino, Cohen has at least 25 votes, he needed 23 including Fred.
RE: The city owns the stadium?  
MOOPS : 10/27/2020 5:23 pm : link
In comment 15026480 rocco8112 said:
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What would be the reasoning behind not signing?


Billy needs his palm greased.
I'm convinced DeBlasio  
Everyone Relax : 10/27/2020 5:33 pm : link
is actively trying to be the most disliked person in the history of NYC.
Reinsdorf  
DanMetroMan : 10/27/2020 5:35 pm : link
is one no, Kendrick believed to be another, Hank a yes
RE: I'm convinced DeBlasio  
robbieballs2003 : 10/27/2020 5:36 pm : link
In comment 15026503 Everyone Relax said:
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is actively trying to be the most disliked person in the history of NYC.


This asshole put the blame on schools not getting iPads out to students. I am personally doing them. We've gotten single iPads showing up to the school here and there. We had one big shipment of 89. As of today we have gotten approximately 100 of 300 requests. Yeah, we are to blame for students not being able to learn. There is not one person I know that has something positive to say about him.
RE: RE: I'm convinced DeBlasio  
DanMetroMan : 10/27/2020 5:41 pm : link
In comment 15026512 robbieballs2003 said:
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is actively trying to be the most disliked person in the history of NYC.



This asshole put the blame on schools not getting iPads out to students. I am personally doing them. We've gotten single iPads showing up to the school here and there. We had one big shipment of 89. As of today we have gotten approximately 100 of 300 requests. Yeah, we are to blame for students not being able to learn. There is not one person I know that has something positive to say about him.


He's tall
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Shecky : 10/27/2020 5:42 pm : link
RE: .  
Eric on Li : 10/27/2020 5:44 pm : link
In comment 15026516 Shecky said:
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Give us some offseason hints. Finally a real catcher? CF?
Springer  
DanMetroMan : 10/27/2020 5:46 pm : link
expected to leave Houston. Not interested in staying there.
New  
DanMetroMan : 10/27/2020 5:48 pm : link
rookie rules, Gimenez no longer rookie eligible. Not that he was ever likely to win NL ROY. MLB.com elevates Alvarez to #1 in the Mets system. He's at least 2 years away.
RE: New  
Eric on Li : 10/27/2020 5:55 pm : link
In comment 15026523 DanMetroMan said:
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rookie rules, Gimenez no longer rookie eligible. Not that he was ever likely to win NL ROY. MLB.com elevates Alvarez to #1 in the Mets system. He's at least 2 years away.


Kind of surprising over Mauricio no?
RE: New  
GF1080 : 10/27/2020 5:55 pm : link
In comment 15026523 DanMetroMan said:
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rookie rules, Gimenez no longer rookie eligible. Not that he was ever likely to win NL ROY. MLB.com elevates Alvarez to #1 in the Mets system. He's at least 2 years away.


What are the new rookie rules?
RE: RE: New  
DanMetroMan : 10/27/2020 6:00 pm : link
In comment 15026531 GF1080 said:
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In comment 15026523 DanMetroMan said:


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rookie rules, Gimenez no longer rookie eligible. Not that he was ever likely to win NL ROY. MLB.com elevates Alvarez to #1 in the Mets system. He's at least 2 years away.



What are the new rookie rules?


The biggest change is September WILL count towards service time (usually it does not) so players who saw X time in September (like Gimenez) lost eligibility for 2021.
RE: RE: New  
pjcas18 : 10/27/2020 6:00 pm : link
In comment 15026531 GF1080 said:
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rookie rules, Gimenez no longer rookie eligible. Not that he was ever likely to win NL ROY. MLB.com elevates Alvarez to #1 in the Mets system. He's at least 2 years away.



What are the new rookie rules?


I think it's 45 days on active roster. The big name negatively impacted is Jo Adell.

RE: RE: New  
DanMetroMan : 10/27/2020 6:02 pm : link
In comment 15026528 Eric on Li said:
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rookie rules, Gimenez no longer rookie eligible. Not that he was ever likely to win NL ROY. MLB.com elevates Alvarez to #1 in the Mets system. He's at least 2 years away.



Kind of surprising over Mauricio no?


Toss-up. Alvarez will be 19 in November, Mauricio will be 20 in April. Alvarez had a big debut and impressed in the alternate site. Those are easily their top 2, I'd have Allen 3rd.
When will we know when the mayor hurdle is cleared?  
Drewcon40 : 10/27/2020 6:06 pm : link
Sorry if I missed it above.
RE: When will we know when the mayor hurdle is cleared?  
DanMetroMan : 10/27/2020 6:10 pm : link
In comment 15026549 Drewcon40 said:
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Sorry if I missed it above.


Fully up to the Mayor. That being said, there will be media pressure for him to make the call. The MLB off-season begins 5 days after the World Series. Things like Stroman's QO, Brodie etc need to be decided so either he gives approval next week or it's going to be a major issue/story.
Thanks Dan..  
Drewcon40 : 10/27/2020 6:16 pm : link
...as always. I will prepare for one more sh1tty year.
de Blasio  
pjcas18 : 10/27/2020 6:17 pm : link
said he expects a response very soon, whatever that means.

Newsday article says this:

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...Nobody involved — Cohen, the Wilpons, MLB, the city — expects that to be an issue, sources said...


An atrocious mayor from all I have read  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/27/2020 6:18 pm : link
& heard.
RE: Thanks Dan..  
DanMetroMan : 10/27/2020 6:18 pm : link
In comment 15026563 Drewcon40 said:
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...as always. I will prepare for one more sh1tty year.


I expect Cohen to grease the Mayor's palms in some way and this to eventually go through. He's even fucking over the union workers who Cohen has pledged to pay during the off-season.
RE: An atrocious mayor from all I have read  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/27/2020 6:19 pm : link
In comment 15026566 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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& heard.


It's all true, and on both sides. A truly unlikable figure and the furthest thing from a leader.
It’s become the biggest NON a story in a long time  
Shecky : 10/27/2020 7:28 pm : link
Allen is a good 3, he’s looked very very good.
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Danny Kanell : 10/27/2020 7:52 pm : link
Deblasio and his wife didn’t steal enough money, I guess.
Mayor Warren Wilhelm Jr.  
beatrixkiddo : 10/27/2020 8:57 pm : link
Just adding another mark on his legacy. What a joke.
Realmuto  
DanMetroMan : 10/28/2020 10:21 am : link
reportedly would prefer not to play in NY. Money talks but it's something to watch (I'd pass on him either way unless it's 5 or less years).
SP  
DanMetroMan : 10/28/2020 10:23 am : link
market is beyond bad.
Expected  
DanMetroMan : 10/28/2020 10:29 am : link
Betances back ugh, hopefully, they reject Chirinos option, Frazier is likely a toss-up. I'd love to look into the price of Joe Musgrove but the ask would likely be very high.
RE: Expected  
Metnut : 10/28/2020 10:47 am : link
In comment 15027076 DanMetroMan said:
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Betances back ugh, hopefully, they reject Chirinos option, Frazier is likely a toss-up. I'd love to look into the price of Joe Musgrove but the ask would likely be very high.


Is there news or something on Betances?

The Cohen news keeps looking good. Let's get past this vote on Friday, the De Blasio thing seems like a non-story but we'll get past that too and then the fun starts.
RE: RE: Expected  
DanMetroMan : 10/28/2020 10:51 am : link
In comment 15027102 Metnut said:
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Betances back ugh, hopefully, they reject Chirinos option, Frazier is likely a toss-up. I'd love to look into the price of Joe Musgrove but the ask would likely be very high.



Is there news or something on Betances?

The Cohen news keeps looking good. Let's get past this vote on Friday, the De Blasio thing seems like a non-story but we'll get past that too and then the fun starts.


5 days for players to make decisions on their options and teams to make QO's. Betances player option is for 6.8 million. He'd be pretty nuts to reject that. He's 33 and has pitched 13 innings in 2 years.
Not  
DanMetroMan : 10/28/2020 10:52 am : link
particularly good but Alex Cobb as a back end salary dump might be an option, I'd like at someone like Jon Gray, Chad Kuhl has a great arm, maybe you make a deal for someone like that. I like Gausman as the #3 best SP, that's hot bad the market is for FA's.
Maybe Betances  
pjcas18 : 10/28/2020 10:53 am : link
can start warming up now. I think I read that his highest velocity pitch was in his final appearance of the season.

A notorious slow starter, why not adjust can get started earlier so his body clock says it's August, but it's really April.

Gotta  
DanMetroMan : 10/28/2020 10:57 am : link
figure Brach is back, his option is only 2.2 million but he basically had a lost season.
RE: Maybe Betances  
DanMetroMan : 10/28/2020 11:00 am : link
In comment 15027112 pjcas18 said:
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can start warming up now. I think I read that his highest velocity pitch was in his final appearance of the season.

A notorious slow starter, why not adjust can get started earlier so his body clock says it's August, but it's really April.


I know you're mostly kidding but I think he's completely shot. Odds are 6.8 million is less of a sunk cost than it would be for Fred/Jeff but I'm more hopeful we have moved past relying on "ridiculous" outcomes and expecting things to work out. It was a weird year but Hefner (despite the high praise) really didn't have success stories.
Betances showed enough flashes he's worth a spot  
Eric on Li : 10/28/2020 11:14 am : link
overpaid but worth a spot. Brach is worth a spot as well. BP is a numbers game, get as many talented guys as you can, ideally who have been in big situations before and know what that feels like, and hopefully you have a manager/pitching coach who know how to get the most out of them.

Hefner was well thought of when he was hired but he had 0 experience so I'm actually more worried about the prospect of him as pitching coach than Rojas as manager.
RE: RE: Maybe Betances  
pjcas18 : 10/28/2020 11:17 am : link
In comment 15027124 DanMetroMan said:
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can start warming up now. I think I read that his highest velocity pitch was in his final appearance of the season.

A notorious slow starter, why not adjust can get started earlier so his body clock says it's August, but it's really April.




I know you're mostly kidding but I think he's completely shot. Odds are 6.8 million is less of a sunk cost than it would be for Fred/Jeff but I'm more hopeful we have moved past relying on "ridiculous" outcomes and expecting things to work out. It was a weird year but Hefner (despite the high praise) really didn't have success stories.


Yes, I was mostly kidding, but his highest velocity was in his final start I believe.

I think Diaz had a nice bounce back, all things considered, not sure if Hefner played a role in that or not, but IMO he's still a key to the Mets immediate future success (unless he's traded obviously).
Given  
DanMetroMan : 10/28/2020 11:23 am : link
The arms on the roster Hefner really doesn’t have much to point to. He talked up Matz and his new found velocity, Familia cleaning up his delivery (remember Familia blaming weight gain? Lol). Not knocking Hefner, he js well thought of but the pitching was disappointing and his ability to turn talent into production just wasn’t there. I’d bring him back but I also wouldn’t be furious if they didn’t (I think they will because he’s the cerebral type Sandy loves). I could see Chris Young returning in some role for this reason as well.
Chirinos  
DanMetroMan : 10/28/2020 11:24 am : link
Would be a complete waste of money. Nido is a fine backup and if Nido and Chirinos are your 2 C then year 1 of Cohen’s off-seasons went very poorly.
especially for Diaz + Familia I think C has been a big problem  
Eric on Li : 10/28/2020 11:32 am : link
Ramos graded out terribly at low pitches and both of those guys are wild enough that if they aren't getting borderline strikes they are going to have even bigger problems.

Defense and experienced coaching have been massive achilles heels for this organization from 2017-2020 (2017 was mostly tanked by injuries, but the defense did regress big time from 2016).

Those are 2 areas of focus that aren't so sexy but could go a long way to making a lot of the guys already here perform up to expectation going forward. Guys like Zunino, Maldonado, etc. seem to always show up on good organizations who make runs in the playoffs. I think Zunino was the catcher for SEA when Diaz had his big year. Those guys aren't around for their bats so there's something they do that good organizations value.
With the Mets lineup  
pjcas18 : 10/28/2020 11:37 am : link
potential I would be totally fine with a defensive whiz at C, who is not known for his bat.

I am sick of marginal offensive C's who can't throw out runners or pitch frame at all.

With Conforto, Alonso, McNeil, Cano, Davis, Nimmo, Rosario, Gimenez, Smith, etc the Mets should have enough offense they can prioritize defense in that one spot.

I don't know who that catcher is though and if he's available if he even exists.
Gigantic  
DanMetroMan : 10/28/2020 11:39 am : link
Pass on Zunino. They have Nido. Zunino is a complete blackhole offensively. He might be better than Nido defensively (if that’s the case it’s marginal) but he’s not a bad offensive player, he might the worst in the entire sport. Nido is the Mets Zunino, don’t bother
Zunino  
DanMetroMan : 10/28/2020 11:47 am : link
Has a 49 OPS+ over the past 2 seasons while hitting .161, that’s not a typo. BP ranked Nido 25th in CDA, Zunino 89th, Nido was 4th in the sport in getting called strikes above average, Zunino 77th. This would be an absolutely horrendous way to spend money, Cohen or not. Nido does everything Zunino can.
Here  
DanMetroMan : 10/28/2020 11:49 am : link
Are catchers defensive stats... good luck making an argument for Zunino
Link - ( New Window )
Zunino  
DanMetroMan : 10/28/2020 12:07 pm : link
also graded as below average in terms of framing (62nd in the league, even worse than Wilson Ramos)
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RE: With the Mets lineup  
DanMetroMan : 10/28/2020 12:11 pm : link
In comment 15027175 pjcas18 said:
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potential I would be totally fine with a defensive whiz at C, who is not known for his bat.

I am sick of marginal offensive C's who can't throw out runners or pitch frame at all.

With Conforto, Alonso, McNeil, Cano, Davis, Nimmo, Rosario, Gimenez, Smith, etc the Mets should have enough offense they can prioritize defense in that one spot.

I don't know who that catcher is though and if he's available if he even exists.


Zunino 27% CS. He's not the answer. McCann will be the name many mention. Was 2020 a fluke? Who knows? I wanted to chase Stallings last year and he was excellent behind the dish.
I'm not saying they should go for Zunino  
Eric on Li : 10/28/2020 12:15 pm : link
my point was that defensive impact from a catcher is a big deal - and all the well run organizations people talk about seemingly buy in to that as well. The Rays, Houston, etc.

Ramos was the exact opposite of that kind of move, whose biggest weaknesses probably directly impacted the top guys in the BP, and I hope they prioritize fixing that going forward. I am not saying Zunino should be that guy.
.  
DanMetroMan : 10/28/2020 12:15 pm : link
His cost is likely more than people think but I expect the Mets to make another run at Vazquez, as they were rumored to have done this season
RE: I'm not saying they should go for Zunino  
DanMetroMan : 10/28/2020 12:17 pm : link
In comment 15027229 Eric on Li said:
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my point was that defensive impact from a catcher is a big deal - and all the well run organizations people talk about seemingly buy in to that as well. The Rays, Houston, etc.

Ramos was the exact opposite of that kind of move, whose biggest weaknesses probably directly impacted the top guys in the BP, and I hope they prioritize fixing that going forward. I am not saying Zunino should be that guy.


but even defensively Zunino hasn't graded well AND he's a truly horrendous offensive player. Offensively bad. If you're going to prioritize C defense that's fine but you can't have a net negative player in your lineup. There is nothing Zunino does better than Nido and Nido "could" actually be a non-horrible offensive player. Pay the piper for Vazquez if glove is what you want.
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pjcas18 : 10/28/2020 12:21 pm : link
In comment 15027224 DanMetroMan said:
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potential I would be totally fine with a defensive whiz at C, who is not known for his bat.

I am sick of marginal offensive C's who can't throw out runners or pitch frame at all.

With Conforto, Alonso, McNeil, Cano, Davis, Nimmo, Rosario, Gimenez, Smith, etc the Mets should have enough offense they can prioritize defense in that one spot.

I don't know who that catcher is though and if he's available if he even exists.



Zunino 27% CS. He's not the answer. McCann will be the name many mention. Was 2020 a fluke? Who knows? I wanted to chase Stallings last year and he was excellent behind the dish.


I wasn't suggesting Zunino. I don't know who the guy is that fits the defensive whiz MO.
Christian  
DanMetroMan : 10/28/2020 12:24 pm : link
Vazquez is going to be a guy teams are going to be all over. "Someone" will sign Realmuto, which will leave teams like the Yankees, Mets, Phillies, Angels (and others) looking for C help. McCann is solid, but there is only one of him on this market. Red Sox are rebuilding, Vazquez is going to be someone who will be chased hard (not suggesting the Sox and Yankees will make a deal).
Roberto  
DanMetroMan : 10/28/2020 12:26 pm : link
Perez is going to be another "hot" name from Mets fans as a target.
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DanMetroMan : 10/28/2020 12:51 pm : link
Tim Healey
@timbhealey
Bill de Blasio on Mets sale: City’s law department is still doing its “due diligence,” announcement coming “at some point in the next few days.”

As we have reported, de Blasio’s involvement is not expected to be a serious impediment to the completion of Cohen’s Mets purchase.
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DanMetroMan : 10/28/2020 12:53 pm : link
Andy Martino
@martinonyc
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To elaborate on this, parties involved on all sides of the sale have been working to figure out what would satisfy the mayor. They have a feel for what it is and are in process.
From the start  
pjcas18 : 10/28/2020 12:54 pm : link
I (like others) said this was a hit job/extortion to get a sizable donation to the Mayor's "foundation" which without getting details seems like where this is headed.
RE: RE: I'm not saying they should go for Zunino  
Eric on Li : 10/28/2020 1:13 pm : link
In comment 15027233 DanMetroMan said:
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my point was that defensive impact from a catcher is a big deal - and all the well run organizations people talk about seemingly buy in to that as well. The Rays, Houston, etc.

Ramos was the exact opposite of that kind of move, whose biggest weaknesses probably directly impacted the top guys in the BP, and I hope they prioritize fixing that going forward. I am not saying Zunino should be that guy.



but even defensively Zunino hasn't graded well AND he's a truly horrendous offensive player. Offensively bad. If you're going to prioritize C defense that's fine but you can't have a net negative player in your lineup. There is nothing Zunino does better than Nido and Nido "could" actually be a non-horrible offensive player. Pay the piper for Vazquez if glove is what you want.


What part of "not saying they should go after Zunino" was unclear?

And yes, Vazquez is the type I'd go after. He'd actually be a very interesting candidate in a swap for JDD or Rosario or Nimmo.
Ramos  
GF1080 : 10/28/2020 1:21 pm : link
Going to decline option
Red  
DanMetroMan : 10/28/2020 1:21 pm : link
Sox are going to want more than a 28 year old DH or Rosario in a deal for Vazquez. They already have a star at SS and Vasquez is owed an insanely team-friendly 13 million over the next 2 seasons. He's making less in 2021 than Betances. Time to deal JDD or Rosario was before 2020 (which is hindsight for sure) but neither are cheap and JDD isn't young.
RE: Ramos  
DanMetroMan : 10/28/2020 1:22 pm : link
In comment 15027313 GF1080 said:
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Going to decline option


Ramos isn't declining his option, the Mets are. It's a team option. Ramos would be out of his fucking mind to turn down 1 year 10 million, luckily for the Mets he doesn't have that decision.
RE: RE: Ramos  
GF1080 : 10/28/2020 1:29 pm : link
In comment 15027317 DanMetroMan said:
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Going to decline option



Ramos isn't declining his option, the Mets are. It's a team option. Ramos would be out of his fucking mind to turn down 1 year 10 million, luckily for the Mets he doesn't have that decision.


I should have worded it better. Yes Mets are declining the option not Ramos. I just was putting it out there that the option is being decline not who was doing it.
Healey  
DanMetroMan : 10/28/2020 2:45 pm : link
Mets plan to decline options on Wilson Ramos, Todd Frazier and Robinson Chirinos, source says:
Healey  
DanMetroMan : 10/28/2020 2:48 pm : link
Mets plan to decline options on Wilson Ramos, Todd Frazier and Robinson Chirinos, source says:
Sunday  
DanMetroMan : 10/28/2020 3:52 pm : link
is the Stroman deadline, the first no-brainer... hopefully.
RE: Sunday  
pjcas18 : 10/28/2020 3:55 pm : link
In comment 15027447 DanMetroMan said:
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is the Stroman deadline, the first no-brainer... hopefully.


What is the no-brainer? QO and hope he signed LT elsewhere?

Do they even need to QO a player who opted out?
RE: RE: Sunday  
DanMetroMan : 10/28/2020 4:01 pm : link
In comment 15027449 pjcas18 said:
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is the Stroman deadline, the first no-brainer... hopefully.



What is the no-brainer? QO and hope he signed LT elsewhere?

Do they even need to QO a player who opted out?


The absolute worst case is he accepts and you have an above average SP for 1 season at 18.9 million. He's almost 100% rejected the QO at which point you either get a 2nd rounder or sign him to a multi-year deal. They paid Familia and Betances 18 million this season. They paid Wacha and Lowrie 15 million. Worst case of Stroman taking 1 year to fill a need? No-brainer, he's the #2 SP on the market.
MLB.com  
DanMetroMan : 10/28/2020 4:04 pm : link
top FA SP

Bauer
Stroman
Tanaka
Taijuan Walker

It's REALLY bad.
Sounds  
DanMetroMan : 10/28/2020 4:06 pm : link
like Turner likely just shit away millions of dollars, moronic.
I'd love to grab Walker on 1 year deal  
Eric on Li : 10/28/2020 4:06 pm : link
along with Stroman hopefully on a big 1 year as well.

JDG and Peterson will likely get 2 other spots.

Then you are just putting together some depth options for the 5th start spot (and knowing Thor hopefully back midseason).
RE: I'd love to grab Walker on 1 year deal  
DanMetroMan : 10/28/2020 4:10 pm : link
In comment 15027463 Eric on Li said:
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along with Stroman hopefully on a big 1 year as well.

JDG and Peterson will likely get 2 other spots.

Then you are just putting together some depth options for the 5th start spot (and knowing Thor hopefully back midseason).


Doubt Walker settles for 1 year given the market. I also think he's being overrated. Underlying numbers weren't very good. Gausman is my tier 2 target if we go FA, don't think Tanaka leaves or I'd be in on him too. Sadly, while the system has some high end prospects they likely don't have the depth to chase a guy like Musgrove. They should consider names like Kluber and Gray.
Walker  
DanMetroMan : 10/28/2020 4:12 pm : link
4.56 FIP, 4.82 xFIP. He's okay but I think he's going to go for the years (as he should).
I  
DanMetroMan : 10/28/2020 4:16 pm : link
predict Musgrove is a top 30 SP in baseball next season. Extremely high on him. Gray basically had a wash of a season but was an above-average SP the 4 seasons prior, Odorizzi similar.
Musgrove  
CMicks3110 : 10/28/2020 4:26 pm : link
would be an AMAZING get...We should get him.
I agree  
pjcas18 : 10/28/2020 4:28 pm : link
on the QO to Stro, that is a no-brainer, and I'm fine if he accepts.

I have no interest in a LT contract with him until I see him pitch a full season in NY.

I wasn't that impressed with him relative to expectations.

Is he better than Matz, Porcello, Wacha, etc? Of course, but I don't know he'll perform up to the contract he gets and even as desperate as the Mets may be for starters, signing a guy out of desperation almost always ends bad.
I don't know if anybody is getting years in this climate  
Eric on Li : 10/28/2020 4:35 pm : link
look at NHL free agency. Taylor Hall got a 1 year 6m. I think the biggest contract handed out so far to a UFA is like 3 years 15m. And they had a 90% normal season.

MLB revenues took a huge hit this year and plenty of teams sit out FA even in recent normal offseasons.

Sure Realmuto and Springer will get multi-year offers - but will they be at an AAV big enough to justify them signing? For those 2 I would guess yes, I wouldn't be confident betting on anyone else I don't think.
When  
DanMetroMan : 10/28/2020 4:38 pm : link
I say years, I do believe it's safe to assume that the top SP's available will have more than 1-year deals available to them. Walker is consistently hurt and quite frankly wasn't that good, he's the ideal candidate to take a 3 for 30 type of offer and set himself up for the rest of his life.
RE: I don't know if anybody is getting years in this climate  
pjcas18 : 10/28/2020 4:45 pm : link
In comment 15027511 Eric on Li said:
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look at NHL free agency. Taylor Hall got a 1 year 6m. I think the biggest contract handed out so far to a UFA is like 3 years 15m. And they had a 90% normal season.

MLB revenues took a huge hit this year and plenty of teams sit out FA even in recent normal offseasons.

Sure Realmuto and Springer will get multi-year offers - but will they be at an AAV big enough to justify them signing? For those 2 I would guess yes, I wouldn't be confident betting on anyone else I don't think.


I think it's equal amount a function of the quality of player as it is the COVID market.

Just as an example, MTL signed Brendan Gallagher to a 6 year 39M deal, Tyler Toffoli 4 years 17M, Josh Anderson 7 year 38.5M, etc.

Vegas signed Alex Pietrangelo 7 years $62M

Hall signed a 1 year 8M deal, and he get another at-bat in FA next year.

so I don't think it's just COVID though it obviously had an impact since the cap is not going to increase the same way (for the NHL).
PJ - a few of those guys were RFA's whose status dictated extensions  
Eric on Li : 10/28/2020 5:01 pm : link
sort of like Conforto this year. If the Mets extend him (which I think they will) I'd bet he gets more than most UFAs because it's a different leverage point.

I did forget about Pietrangelo though - and like him I think Spring/Realmuto are cream of the crop FA's who will have solid multi-year options. Some FA may prefer the 1 year deals like Hall if they aren't happy with their multi-year options.

At the middle levels of FA (Mike Hoffman, etc.) I expect it to be very slow going.

But all of these sports are different. The cap in the NHL dictates things whereas in MLB it's more team by team finances. I think the flat cap is probably less restrictive to the market place than the fact that a bunch of MLB teams revenues were severely impacted by the shortened season the fact that a sizeable chunk comes from attendance.
RE: When  
Eric on Li : 10/28/2020 5:02 pm : link
In comment 15027516 DanMetroMan said:
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I say years, I do believe it's safe to assume that the top SP's available will have more than 1-year deals available to them. Walker is consistently hurt and quite frankly wasn't that good, he's the ideal candidate to take a 3 for 30 type of offer and set himself up for the rest of his life.


That I agree with - but I'd sign for that contract because it has big upside. I'd actually prefer it to a 1 year/15m though I'd take either. Same goes for Stroman too I guess.
RE: PJ - a few of those guys were RFA's whose status dictated extensions  
pjcas18 : 10/28/2020 5:05 pm : link
In comment 15027540 Eric on Li said:
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sort of like Conforto this year. If the Mets extend him (which I think they will) I'd bet he gets more than most UFAs because it's a different leverage point.

I did forget about Pietrangelo though - and like him I think Spring/Realmuto are cream of the crop FA's who will have solid multi-year options. Some FA may prefer the 1 year deals like Hall if they aren't happy with their multi-year options.

At the middle levels of FA (Mike Hoffman, etc.) I expect it to be very slow going.

But all of these sports are different. The cap in the NHL dictates things whereas in MLB it's more team by team finances. I think the flat cap is probably less restrictive to the market place than the fact that a bunch of MLB teams revenues were severely impacted by the shortened season the fact that a sizeable chunk comes from attendance.


I agree, but RFA's don't have to sign LT deals, they could sign bridge deals too.

In fact most don't sign LT (and there is a fair amount of RFA's still unsigned).

My only point was it's not ALL COVID, it definitely had an impact though.

If Nathan MacKinnon or Connor McDavid or Mookie Betts or Mike Trout were FA's this year they'd break the bank. But Taylor Hall and JT Realmuto headlining a FA class probably settle for less than they hope for (maybe on Realmuto).

Bauer the wild card. If he sticks to his word and signs only a 1-year deal obviously N/A. Otherwise he needs to get shot in the nuts with a paint ball gun by his buddy.
Bauer  
DanMetroMan : 10/28/2020 5:09 pm : link
has already moved off the 1-year deal BS
I agree but just remember capped sports salary structures are more  
Eric on Li : 10/28/2020 5:21 pm : link
predictable. Especially since all those sports have cap floors and cap ceilings that generally can't get too manipulated.

So it's less of a function of present day revenue + cash flow and more of a multi-year equation of slotting guys in at their defined levels. If anything I think for guys in RFA situations, the current climate makes both sides more amenable to taking some security as opposed to minimizing the window the UFA. Ex. I expect the Islanders and Ryan Pulock to both be amenable to a long term solution whereas in a typical offseason both sides might be more willing to roll the dice on arbitration and kick the can down the road.

Baseball's salary structure on the other hand is a free for all. In recent years their free agencies have been notoriously slow and that was despite record profits. Now we are going to have an offseason where the overall profits are down probably somewhere between 25-50%? I don't think there's an easy way to predict how this offseason plays out, but I'd feel confident guessing the players will do worse than their counterparts in the other leagues have done/will do. So I think it's a great buying opportunity for Cohen to come in right away and aggressively fill holes at reasonable prices.
Wow  
DanMetroMan : 10/28/2020 5:57 pm : link
Mark Saxon
@markasaxon
The #STLCards
declined Kolten Wong's $12.5 million option, costing them $1 million and making him a free agent.
RE: Wow  
Eric on Li : 10/28/2020 6:03 pm : link
In comment 15027573 DanMetroMan said:
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Mark Saxon
@markasaxon
The #STLCards
declined Kolten Wong's $12.5 million option, costing them $1 million and making him a free agent.


I think this is the tip of the iceberg. Same thing happened in the NHL with guys not even getting tendered as RFA's. And that's with a flat % of league revenue tied to salaries.

MLB revenues were hit big time. The only lever owners have going to forward to recoup that money is by cutting payroll wherever they can.
,  
DanMetroMan : 10/29/2020 10:13 am : link
Happ pitched MUCH better after a rough start. I'd take him for 2021 over Matz. Final 8 starts 2.98 era
Will BDB go down in history as one of NYC worst mayors??  
Rick in Dallas : 10/29/2020 10:26 am : link
Fire away guys...
Law  
DanMetroMan : 10/29/2020 10:35 am : link
is the first to suggest he doesn't think Rocker is a lock to go 1-1 in the draft.
Yes  
DanMetroMan : 10/29/2020 10:52 am : link
please

The Twins have elected to decline their club option over righty Sergio Romo, LaVelle E. Neal III of the Minneapolis Star-Tribune reports. He’ll receive a $250K buyout rather than the $5MM option price.
MLB  
DanMetroMan : 10/29/2020 11:51 am : link
is looking to end the NY/Penn league.
Would  
DanMetroMan : 10/29/2020 12:35 pm : link
LOVE to look into Michael Brantley
Do it Sandy!  
DanMetroMan : 10/29/2020 1:13 pm : link
Zack Meisel
@ZackMeisel
The Indians have placed Brad Hand on outright waivers with the intention of declining his $10 million club option if he goes unclaimed, sources say. If a team does claim him, the Indians won't be responsible for paying his $1 million buyout. Hand posted a 2.05 ERA in 2020.
RE: Do it Sandy!  
Metnut : 10/29/2020 1:30 pm : link
In comment 15028297 DanMetroMan said:
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Zack Meisel
@ZackMeisel
The Indians have placed Brad Hand on outright waivers with the intention of declining his $10 million club option if he goes unclaimed, sources say. If a team does claim him, the Indians won't be responsible for paying his $1 million buyout. Hand posted a 2.05 ERA in 2020.


Would really be a nice add.
Owners  
DanMetroMan : 10/29/2020 4:39 pm : link
vote scheduled for 1:30 tomorrow.
Warren Wilhelm Jr.  
jacob12 : 10/29/2020 5:26 pm : link
Bill de Blasio was born Warren Wilhelm Jr. He changed his name to Warren de Blasio-Wilhelm in 1983 and finally in 2001 to Bill de Blasio. Bill's father was German, and de Blasio changed his name because he thought it would hurt him politically.

Bill de Blasio is a fake, phony, and a fraud.
RE: Warren Wilhelm Jr.  
Gary from The East End : Admin : 10/29/2020 5:58 pm : link
In comment 15028526 jacob12 said:
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Bill de Blasio was born Warren Wilhelm Jr. He changed his name to Warren de Blasio-Wilhelm in 1983 and finally in 2001 to Bill de Blasio. Bill's father was German, and de Blasio changed his name because he thought it would hurt him politically.

Bill de Blasio is a fake, phony, and a fraud.


Bill de Blasio changed his name because his father, Warren Wilhelm, was an abusive drunk that took his own life when de Blasio was 18. de Blasio is Bill's mother's family name.


RE: Will BDB go down in history as one of NYC worst mayors??  
Del Shofner : 10/29/2020 6:12 pm : link
In comment 15028055 Rick in Dallas said:
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Fire away guys...


dude ... NYC has had 109 mayors, if you go all the way back. Even us old-timers weren't alive for most of them. Do your own research and report back to us. Thanks in advance!
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