This probably won't go over well here, but the Jets might not be the only New York team he'd want to avoid.
Very fair point. Washington, too. Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson were lucky to not be so hyped - good franchises were able to target them later in the round.
RE: Approximately When Does He Have To Commit / Declare For The Draft?
Interesting relative to the end of the NFL Regular Season, draft position, head coaching changes etc.
The deadline is in January. I suppose if things go sideways and the season is halted that could slide, but if the season progresses on schedule, I assume it will be the same as usual.
draft pick salaries locked? So it is far less likely that a player is going to ask to be skipped, because he then makes less money. And teams don't draft a player to trade him anymore, like was done with Eli. And finally, there is a disincentive for Lawrence to skip the draft if he knows he will be the top pick because, who knows what will happen, maybe he gets hurt or another player or two trumps him in 2022.
Game theory dictates that he will come out this season to assure he will be the top pick and take the money. Maybe he hopes a better team will trade up so perhaps that is why it makes sense for him to suggest he has options. He has no real options though.
giving away a season of eligibility toward the second deal is financially insane. You want to get to that second deal as soon in your life as possible. right now that deal is worth $35 to $40 million per year.
With the majority of his final college season in front of him. Absolutely no chance he stays in school.
I know it’s hard to convince people around here, but the Jets having the first pick would seem like an awesome scenario to me as a college kid. New York market, a chance to not only be the face of the current team but really the all time face of the franchise - this is a team that has one truly famous player really ever in Joe Namath, and he peaked 50 years ago.
I would be thrilled to go to the Jets. It could be a LOT worse in a draft scenario. Great place to live, biggest market in the league, what’s not to love? Gase will be long gone.
With the majority of his final college season in front of him. Absolutely no chance he stays in school.
I know it’s hard to convince people around here, but the Jets having the first pick would seem like an awesome scenario to me as a college kid. New York market, a chance to not only be the face of the current team but really the all time face of the franchise - this is a team that has one truly famous player really ever in Joe Namath, and he peaked 50 years ago.
I would be thrilled to go to the Jets. It could be a LOT worse in a draft scenario. Great place to live, biggest market in the league, what’s not to love? Gase will be long gone.
I read that Peyton didn't come out because Parcells wouldn't choreograph that he was going to pick him #1.
I agree with you, especially if they have the #1 pick. They should be able to get good coaching/management this off-season. They have an extra first the next two years from the Adams trade.
They could be set up for success, but since they're the Jets...
That's about as sure as it gets that he's entering draft
Normally even the obvious ones says they are focused on next week's game and will make that decision at the end of the year (or some similar canned response).
Yeah it might be posturing, but P. Manning did it, Leinart did it, Herbert did, it etc. so there's examples. I'd put $ on him coming out, but if he didn't & Jets had the # pick...LOL. Hilarious. F that franchise. I had nothing against them until that buffoon Rex showed up, culminating in them covering up our Super Bowl murals before the '11 game.
Where this kid's from, but going somewhere he'd feel comfortable may be a consideration. He's gonna get paid & get picked by a shit team, that's a fact.
With the majority of his final college season in front of him. Absolutely no chance he stays in school.
I know it’s hard to convince people around here, but the Jets having the first pick would seem like an awesome scenario to me as a college kid. New York market, a chance to not only be the face of the current team but really the all time face of the franchise - this is a team that has one truly famous player really ever in Joe Namath, and he peaked 50 years ago.
I would be thrilled to go to the Jets. It could be a LOT worse in a draft scenario. Great place to live, biggest market in the league, what’s not to love? Gase will be long gone.
While many of us likely grew up in the tri-state area, after living in two very different areas in this country, I have met many people who don't have such a great view of NY and the surrounding area. They regard it as a cesspool of hateful arrogant people. And yes, a bunch of those people have never been to NYC. Very influenced by TV and media.
I do agree with you though, that he will move on to the draft. I believe he is merely throwing doubt into the media and concentrating on this season.
This probably won't go over well here, but the Jets might not be the only New York team he'd want to avoid.
Very fair point. Washington, too. Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson were lucky to not be so hyped - good franchises were able to target them later in the round.
Didn't Mahomes go 10th?
I mean that's a pretty clear indication he's leaving
Is the best QB since Peyton, if and when he comes out he will dominate this league and turn any franchise around. Injury is always a threat, but this kid has it all. Any team he goes to and they will be good fast because of him. He may even be better then Peyton coming out of college, better then Marino, better then Elway, better then Plunkett, better then Greise and Stauback and Luck, and even better then Namath.
Don't bet on it. Lots of fans seem to enjoy speculating that a hot shot prospect would "burn" the Giants and ask to go elsewhere. First off, tough shit there Chargers, maybe if u didn't run your franchise like a five n dime (and they did eventually move despite a great fan base) a first round pick wouldn't be scared to play for you, and second, the Giants don't treat their players like shit. They always err on the side of player safety, sometimes to a fault IMO, and they are loyal and patient. They also don't haggle their own great players over money, at least not lately. And they have a coach in judge/Garret that players love.
You were likely kidding, but others haven't been with this take.
Is the best QB since Peyton, if and when he comes out he will dominate this league and turn any franchise around. Injury is always a threat, but this kid has it all. Any team he goes to and they will be good fast because of him. He may even be better then Peyton coming out of college, better then Marino, better then Elway, better then Plunkett, better then Greise and Stauback and Luck, and even better then Namath.
Yeah I am going to cry a big fat screaming bullshit. Slow down on Lawrence. You can't really be better than Peyton or Elway coming out. Lawrence is at their level, but give me a break saying he's better. Luck checked off every box there is. So did Elway. Can Lawrence cure cancer too?
I don't get the issue here - He said right now his plan is to leave
but anything can happen. To me that sounds like he's leaving. Don't read too much into it, its just a normal qualifier. As pointed out above, he could have said he will address it after the season. To me what he said is more definitive.
contender, and the Jets own the NY Metro area while the Giants continue to be mediocre or worse. This is how things were during the dark days of the 1970s and I would rather not relive them.
RE: My primary fear is that he goes to the Jets, makes them a perennial
contender, and the Jets own the NY Metro area while the Giants continue to be mediocre or worse. This is how things were during the dark days of the 1970s and I would rather not relive them.
Well get ready because history is repeating itself.
You simply cannot make resume Dave's idiotic decisions and not expect to set a franchise back a few years by magically applying mental white out over the problem and pretend it didn't happen.
We picked a running back 2nd. we picked a mediocre to below avg. QB 6th. He hired Shurmur as coach. He jettisoned this whole defense and replaced them with dubious players barely old enough to drink. he Jettisoned a playmaker WR and replaced them with an over the hill ; over paid ; and mentally checked out has been. Um yeah that really happened. And yes a few years later when this team has 1 win under their belt going on 2 when they play Wasington again;people are still in la la land around here.
draft pick salaries locked? So it is far less likely that a player is going to ask to be skipped, because he then makes less money. And teams don't draft a player to trade him anymore, like was done with Eli. And finally, there is a disincentive for Lawrence to skip the draft if he knows he will be the top pick because, who knows what will happen, maybe he gets hurt or another player or two trumps him in 2022.
Game theory dictates that he will come out this season to assure he will be the top pick and take the money. Maybe he hopes a better team will trade up so perhaps that is why it makes sense for him to suggest he has options. He has no real options though.
Shitty teams that draft #1 are shitty for a reason. The Jets might be a mess but if Lawrence is locked in at #1, he'd be a fool to risk it by staying in college.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Probably saw Fields against Nebraska...
Thanks. Need to see these college QB prospects against tougher talent. Not interested in the junior varsity defenses they play when sizing them up.
Nebraska isn't JV caliber. They have talent.
Fields went 20/21 280, 2 TD, 1 TD rushing. Missed one pass. Considering how long it's been since they played a live game, those are impressive numbers.
Check out the year Zach Wilson, QB, is having for BYU. He's out of his mind hot. Played six games and is completing basically 80% of his passes. Is going to be entering the conversation real soon as a legit QB prospect..
I don't know much about Nebraska which is why I asked
They used to throw a bunch of guys out into the NFL but not a lot these days.
I an not kidding though. I realize Lawrence and Fields can't pick their opponents but some of these games are silly. Not suggesting the QBs don't look good in beating them up but offers no real assessment.
We'll know more about him after this week when they play Penn State. They have some db's who can match up with OSU receivers better than Neb. and also have some decent pass rushers
This probably won't go over well here, but the Jets might not be the only New York team he'd want to avoid.
I think nothing is really final until he hires an agent.
Very fair point. Washington, too. Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson were lucky to not be so hyped - good franchises were able to target them later in the round.
The deadline is in January. I suppose if things go sideways and the season is halted that could slide, but if the season progresses on schedule, I assume it will be the same as usual.
2 weeks after the College Football National Title Game.
They’ll just get him with the first pick of 2022 lol.
Game theory dictates that he will come out this season to assure he will be the top pick and take the money. Maybe he hopes a better team will trade up so perhaps that is why it makes sense for him to suggest he has options. He has no real options though.
I know it’s hard to convince people around here, but the Jets having the first pick would seem like an awesome scenario to me as a college kid. New York market, a chance to not only be the face of the current team but really the all time face of the franchise - this is a team that has one truly famous player really ever in Joe Namath, and he peaked 50 years ago.
I would be thrilled to go to the Jets. It could be a LOT worse in a draft scenario. Great place to live, biggest market in the league, what’s not to love? Gase will be long gone.
This year, the date was January 17th. If he hires an agent prior to declaring, he'll have to enter the draft.
I know it’s hard to convince people around here, but the Jets having the first pick would seem like an awesome scenario to me as a college kid. New York market, a chance to not only be the face of the current team but really the all time face of the franchise - this is a team that has one truly famous player really ever in Joe Namath, and he peaked 50 years ago.
I would be thrilled to go to the Jets. It could be a LOT worse in a draft scenario. Great place to live, biggest market in the league, what’s not to love? Gase will be long gone.
I read that Peyton didn't come out because Parcells wouldn't choreograph that he was going to pick him #1.
I agree with you, especially if they have the #1 pick. They should be able to get good coaching/management this off-season. They have an extra first the next two years from the Adams trade.
They could be set up for success, but since they're the Jets...
^ This. The fanbase became intolerable when Rex showed up. That 2011 Superbowl was great. "That was supposed to be ouuuurr yearrrrr, not fair".
I know it’s hard to convince people around here, but the Jets having the first pick would seem like an awesome scenario to me as a college kid. New York market, a chance to not only be the face of the current team but really the all time face of the franchise - this is a team that has one truly famous player really ever in Joe Namath, and he peaked 50 years ago.
I would be thrilled to go to the Jets. It could be a LOT worse in a draft scenario. Great place to live, biggest market in the league, what’s not to love? Gase will be long gone.
While many of us likely grew up in the tri-state area, after living in two very different areas in this country, I have met many people who don't have such a great view of NY and the surrounding area. They regard it as a cesspool of hateful arrogant people. And yes, a bunch of those people have never been to NYC. Very influenced by TV and media.
I do agree with you though, that he will move on to the draft. I believe he is merely throwing doubt into the media and concentrating on this season.
The top $$ line is largely set in stone but guarantees and offset clauses are negotiable (less so for a QB taken #1 overall).
Probably the biggest reason to hire an agent though is to start working on endorsements ASAP.
Did he look solid? Is Nebraska decent competition as in they have defensive players that will be drafted on team?
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I had nothing against them until that buffoon Rex showed up, culminating in them covering up our Super Bowl murals before the '11 game.
^ This. The fanbase became intolerable when Rex showed up. That 2011 Superbowl was great. "That was supposed to be ouuuurr yearrrrr, not fair".
same here.
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This probably won't go over well here, but the Jets might not be the only New York team he'd want to avoid.
Very fair point. Washington, too. Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson were lucky to not be so hyped - good franchises were able to target them later in the round.
Didn't Mahomes go 10th?
Refreshing to hear actually.
Don't bet on it. Lots of fans seem to enjoy speculating that a hot shot prospect would "burn" the Giants and ask to go elsewhere. First off, tough shit there Chargers, maybe if u didn't run your franchise like a five n dime (and they did eventually move despite a great fan base) a first round pick wouldn't be scared to play for you, and second, the Giants don't treat their players like shit. They always err on the side of player safety, sometimes to a fault IMO, and they are loyal and patient. They also don't haggle their own great players over money, at least not lately. And they have a coach in judge/Garret that players love.
You were likely kidding, but others haven't been with this take.
Yeah I am going to cry a big fat screaming bullshit. Slow down on Lawrence. You can't really be better than Peyton or Elway coming out. Lawrence is at their level, but give me a break saying he's better. Luck checked off every box there is. So did Elway. Can Lawrence cure cancer too?
Money is not the only reason to hire an agent. You're signing a significant legal document that is going to impact your life.
Well get ready because history is repeating itself.
You simply cannot make resume Dave's idiotic decisions and not expect to set a franchise back a few years by magically applying mental white out over the problem and pretend it didn't happen.
We picked a running back 2nd. we picked a mediocre to below avg. QB 6th. He hired Shurmur as coach. He jettisoned this whole defense and replaced them with dubious players barely old enough to drink. he Jettisoned a playmaker WR and replaced them with an over the hill ; over paid ; and mentally checked out has been. Um yeah that really happened. And yes a few years later when this team has 1 win under their belt going on 2 when they play Wasington again;people are still in la la land around here.
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Did he look solid? Is Nebraska decent competition as in they have defensive players that will be drafted on team?
He looked terrific. His stroke looks different. More fluid.
But to be fair, Nebraska, while certainly not short on talent, didn't have the horses on the back end to deal with a great collection of OSU WRs.
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last Saturday and Lawrence decided he needed another year. ;)
Did he look solid? Is Nebraska decent competition as in they have defensive players that will be drafted on team?
He looked terrific. His stroke looks different. More fluid.
But to be fair, Nebraska, while certainly not short on talent, didn't have the horses on the back end to deal with a great collection of OSU WRs.
Thanks. Need to see these college QB prospects against tougher talent. Not interested in the junior varsity defenses they play when sizing them up.
Game theory dictates that he will come out this season to assure he will be the top pick and take the money. Maybe he hopes a better team will trade up so perhaps that is why it makes sense for him to suggest he has options. He has no real options though.
How is that game theory?
Shitty teams that draft #1 are shitty for a reason. The Jets might be a mess but if Lawrence is locked in at #1, he'd be a fool to risk it by staying in college.
Thanks. Need to see these college QB prospects against tougher talent. Not interested in the junior varsity defenses they play when sizing them up.
Nebraska isn't JV caliber. They have talent.
Fields went 20/21 280, 2 TD, 1 TD rushing. Missed one pass. Considering how long it's been since they played a live game, those are impressive numbers.
Check out the year Zach Wilson, QB, is having for BYU. He's out of his mind hot. Played six games and is completing basically 80% of his passes. Is going to be entering the conversation real soon as a legit QB prospect..
I an not kidding though. I realize Lawrence and Fields can't pick their opponents but some of these games are silly. Not suggesting the QBs don't look good in beating them up but offers no real assessment.
Will take a look at Wilson when able. Thx!