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NFT: Knicks willing to take bad contracts for assets

nygiants16 : 10/27/2020 6:30 pm
according to Begely, this is an awesome stratrgy, get as many picks in next years draft..

Team is going nowhere and a lot of teams are going to be looking to dump salary
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Morey, Ainge, and Masai  
Enzo : 10/28/2020 1:02 pm : link
in the Atlantic, not to mention the return of KD in Brooklyn...thank God we hired an agent to run things!
Well, there's a blockbuster trade in Philly's immediate future.  
bceagle05 : 10/28/2020 1:13 pm : link
Likely CP3, but I guess you can't rule out a Simmons/Embiid breakup.
The Knicks are well suited to be enablers for big trades this year  
Heisenberg : 10/28/2020 3:19 pm : link
I always thought we'd be better positioned to helping a team get CP3, for example, than getting CP3. You could see a scenario where the Knicks take Horford and assets to facilitate CP3 to PHI, for example.
Already  
DanMetroMan : 10/28/2020 3:33 pm : link
plenty of Simmons for Harden talk.
Really  
DanMetroMan : 10/28/2020 3:34 pm : link
hope this doesn't lead to Elton Brand being our new GM.
The Knicks have needed to do this for years  
NoGainDayne : 10/28/2020 3:37 pm : link
this is great news. We have at best a #2 and #3, at BEST. No shot without a legit #1 player we get a big FA signing and we need to just amass picks and assets to maximize our chances there. Signing free agents that increase our wins but not to even being respectable is by far the dumbest way to go, and something we have pursued almost exclusively for as long as I can remember
RE: The Knicks are well suited to be enablers for big trades this year  
Enzo : 10/28/2020 3:38 pm : link
In comment 15027419 Heisenberg said:
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I always thought we'd be better positioned to helping a team get CP3, for example, than getting CP3. You could see a scenario where the Knicks take Horford and assets to facilitate CP3 to PHI, for example.

Hard to see a scenario where Horford makes sense, regardless of the assets coming back to us. He's already 34....and still has 2 years at big money guaranteed with a partial guarantee in year three.
Not  
DanMetroMan : 10/28/2020 3:39 pm : link
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DanMetroMan : 10/28/2020 4:22 pm : link
RE: Not  
NoGainDayne : 10/28/2020 4:28 pm : link
In comment 15027436 DanMetroMan said:
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Yeah the argument seems centered around this year though, possible they could take on a salary that clears up 2021 room too that is a more appealing deal. Teams definitely like to get more out in front of these deals sometimes so they aren't ransomed at the least minute
Rockets hire Stephen Silas as head coach, per Woj.  
bceagle05 : 10/28/2020 4:55 pm : link
JVG back to the broadcast booth.
RE: Already  
Earl the goat : 10/28/2020 6:20 pm : link
In comment 15027424 DanMetroMan said:
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plenty of Simmons for Harden talk.



Morey is trading Embiid before Simmons
According to Berman  
nygiants16 : 10/28/2020 7:58 pm : link
Thibs, Wes and Perry were out to dinner in Miami and had a conversation with Kira Lewis Jrs coach...Not sure if it was phone or in person
Kira definitely fits Perry’s profile.  
bceagle05 : 10/28/2020 8:12 pm : link
I’d be excited to add him. Don’t really care if it’s at 8 or a trade down.
Lewis Jr was also at the dinner  
nygiants16 : 10/28/2020 8:13 pm : link
..
Simmons for Harden?  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/28/2020 8:15 pm : link
That'd be interesting, though in that case wouldn't Houston have to move Westbrook?
the pre Carmelo team was so enjoyable and they tore it down  
gtt350 : 10/29/2020 9:04 am : link
I haven't watches since
RE: RE: Knicks  
DanMetroMan : 10/29/2020 9:51 am : link
In comment 15027089 Earl the goat said:
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have worked out Lewis. I expect the pick to be Lewis or Maxey if Hayes isn't there.




No way Knicks take Lewis or Maxey at 8
Maybe if available at 27

Neither one of these guys are top 10 talents


Yeah. No way.
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DanMetroMan : 10/29/2020 9:52 am : link
Implying Lewis might be there at 27 is complete absurdity.
Good News  
TyreeHelmet : 10/29/2020 9:53 am : link
But I just don't see a huge market for this. Maybe they are a 3rd team to facilitate a trade or a team looking to duck the luxury tax. But the whole league knows how valuable picks now are and how good the 2021 draft is. Sadly there was a huge market for this last offseason that the Knicks passed on.

Just look what Memphis did. Took on Iguodola for a 2024 1st from GSW and then flipped him for Justice Winslow. Would you trade Bobby Portis for Winslow and that 1st round pick?
RE: Good News  
Enzo : 10/29/2020 10:23 am : link
In comment 15027996 TyreeHelmet said:
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But I just don't see a huge market for this. Maybe they are a 3rd team to facilitate a trade or a team looking to duck the luxury tax. But the whole league knows how valuable picks now are and how good the 2021 draft is. Sadly there was a huge market for this last offseason that the Knicks passed on.

Just look what Memphis did. Took on Iguodola for a 2024 1st from GSW and then flipped him for Justice Winslow. Would you trade Bobby Portis for Winslow and that 1st round pick?

their "strategy" last summer of loading up on vets on short term deals last summer was first guessed as dumb by a bunch of us here. Mills simply had no business running a team. We're not the Lakers where stars will flock here regardless of how inept the team is run. Let's hope the new regime is willing to be creative with cap space.
Supposedly  
DanMetroMan : 10/29/2020 10:24 am : link
Aller was a huge add to the staff so hopefully, he works his magic. Not too excited to hear Leon is high on Elton Brand as potential GM.
I'm hoping they groom Alex Kline to be a GM someday soon.  
bceagle05 : 10/29/2020 10:52 am : link
Seems like a rising star who eats, breathes and sleeps basketball.
I'd  
Jon in NYC : 10/29/2020 10:56 am : link
love to find a way to get into the back half of the lotto.

If we take Kira Lewis at 8, I bet we could nab one of Vassell or Nesmith at 13 14 or 15. There was some talk of the Magic being interested in DSJ. I'd do DSJ for 15 right now.
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DanMetroMan : 10/29/2020 11:00 am : link
In comment 15028116 Jon in NYC said:
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love to find a way to get into the back half of the lotto.

If we take Kira Lewis at 8, I bet we could nab one of Vassell or Nesmith at 13 14 or 15. There was some talk of the Magic being interested in DSJ. I'd do DSJ for 15 right now.


I think there is a 0% chance you get the 15th pick for DSJ. He's been a complete disaster. They almost certainly are hoping he's a depreciated asset they looked into for a 2nd rounder or another disappointing player swap.
The  
DanMetroMan : 10/29/2020 11:01 am : link
BS about Vassell changing his shot is apparently just that. The video going around was him doing a specific drill.
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Jon in NYC : 10/29/2020 11:02 am : link
In comment 15028127 DanMetroMan said:
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love to find a way to get into the back half of the lotto.

If we take Kira Lewis at 8, I bet we could nab one of Vassell or Nesmith at 13 14 or 15. There was some talk of the Magic being interested in DSJ. I'd do DSJ for 15 right now.



I think there is a 0% chance you get the 15th pick for DSJ. He's been a complete disaster. They almost certainly are hoping he's a depreciated asset they looked into for a 2nd rounder or another disappointing player swap.


I think you're probably right. Maybe DSJ and 27
Maxey  
DanMetroMan : 10/29/2020 11:06 am : link
and Edwards will have a televised pro day on espn 2 tonight
Bucks and Pacers have chatted about Oladipo.  
bceagle05 : 10/29/2020 11:25 am : link
It would be funny if the Bucks sent back the first rounder they got for Brogdon.
Didn't  
DanMetroMan : 10/29/2020 11:41 am : link
look into the source but I've seen Gobert to Boston floating around. Presumably, the 14th pick would be part of the deal.
I've said it before  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 10/29/2020 11:59 am : link
Kira Lewis is my guy at 8.
Could  
Jon in NYC : 10/29/2020 12:07 pm : link
see something like Gobert for Hayward + Theis + picks as a base.
RE: Bucks and Pacers have chatted about Oladipo.  
TyreeHelmet : 10/29/2020 12:09 pm : link
In comment 15028156 bceagle05 said:
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It would be funny if the Bucks sent back the first rounder they got for Brogdon.


Fully expect Oladipo to be a Buck. Lots of noise there. If I were them I would be targeting CP3.

Sounds like Gobert is getting shopped heavily. It will seemingly have to be a win now team that thinks he puts them over the top. But he's on an expiring. Would you have any interest for the Knicks?
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NYG22 : 10/29/2020 12:15 pm : link
In comment 15028127 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 15028116 Jon in NYC said:


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love to find a way to get into the back half of the lotto.

If we take Kira Lewis at 8, I bet we could nab one of Vassell or Nesmith at 13 14 or 15. There was some talk of the Magic being interested in DSJ. I'd do DSJ for 15 right now.



I think there is a 0% chance you get the 15th pick for DSJ. He's been a complete disaster. They almost certainly are hoping he's a depreciated asset they looked into for a 2nd rounder or another disappointing player swap.


I'd take a Magic practice jersey and a ham sandwich for DSJ. Awful player. All that athletic ability and all he is is a dunk contest guy. Terrible shot, facilitator, defender, teammate.
Kira Lewis  
ghost718 : 10/29/2020 12:21 pm : link
Never really saw this guy as a Knick. Scott Perry seems to have an eye for these guys with the floaters.
Among the lead guards possible at 8  
NYG22 : 10/29/2020 12:54 pm : link
Lamelo Ball (LB)
Killian Hays (KH)
Tyrese Halliburton (TH)
Cole Anthony (CA)
Kira Lewis (KL)
Tyrese Maxey (TM)

I'd rank them as follows:

-Size/length: LB, TH, KH, KL, TM, CA
-Speed: KL, CA, TM, TH, LB, KH
-Quickness: CA, KL, TM, LB, KH, TH
-Jumping ability: CA, KL, KH, LB, TH, TM
-Shooting: KL, TH, CA, TM, KH, LB
-Offensive instincts: KH, LB, TH, KL, TM, CA
-Defensive instincts: TH, CA, TM, KH, KL, LB
-Passing acumen: LB, KH, TH, KL, CA, TM
-Intangibles: TH, TM, KL, KH, LB, CA

Average 1 if top in all categories, 6 if last in all:

KL = 2.89
TH = 3.00
CA = 3.56
KH = 3.67
LB = 3.78
TM = 4.11

That's a very flawed aggregate analysis. In truth, I'd rank the 6 guys as follows:

KH
KL
LB
TH
CA
TM

Kira Lewis  
NYG22 : 10/29/2020 2:57 pm : link
6'1.5 barefoot, add 1.5" for shoes, 6'5" WS and 180 lbs (up 15 lbs this year)
LaMelo is reported coming across very poor in interviews.  
bceagle05 : 10/29/2020 4:22 pm : link
Not sure if it's on purpose, or he's just an ass, or some combination of both. If he's trying to drop to us I doubt he'll pull it off.
RE: LaMelo is reported coming across very poor in interviews.  
DanMetroMan : 10/29/2020 4:32 pm : link
In comment 15028472 bceagle05 said:
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Not sure if it's on purpose, or he's just an ass, or some combination of both. If he's trying to drop to us I doubt he'll pull it off.


Apparently he's come off as aloof and lacking much personality vs. jerky.
Kira  
Jon in NYC : 10/29/2020 4:37 pm : link
adding 15 pounds is great. Already heavier than Ja Morant. Wingspan is a little disappointing but mostly because I'd seen it listed as high as 6'7.
I  
DanMetroMan : 10/30/2020 10:27 am : link
really like Flynn if he somehow falls to 27 and we don't land a PG at 8. I still (gut feel) think if we stick at 8 we will take Lewis.
In this NBA  
Carl in CT : 10/30/2020 10:47 am : link
Give me 2 things 1) athletes. I can teach to play defense. 2) shooters. You have to be able to shoot the basketball. That’s it. If you can’t do both, move on to the next guy.
Maxxey or Lewis at 8 if no trade down  
nygiants16 : 10/30/2020 10:51 am : link
Bane at 27..

After my last comment  
Carl in CT : 10/30/2020 11:01 am : link
It’s why Kira has to be considered. Both things on my list are our biggest weakness.
According to stein  
nygiants16 : 10/30/2020 12:12 pm : link
If players insist on MLK day start, the nba will only offer a 50 game season because the tv partners do not want to get in the way of the olympics
Mike D'Antoni will be an assistant on Steve Nash's staff in Brooklyn  
Anakim : 10/30/2020 12:18 pm : link
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I suspect they’ll agree to 72 games  
bceagle05 : 10/30/2020 12:26 pm : link
but I would love a 50-game season for the Knicks. Throw the young guys out there to develop and it’ll be over in the blink of an eye. Get right to the 2021 draft and see what kind of young talent we have.
RE: I suspect they’ll agree to 72 games  
nygiants16 : 10/30/2020 12:31 pm : link
In comment 15029217 bceagle05 said:
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but I would love a 50-game season for the Knicks. Throw the young guys out there to develop and it’ll be over in the blink of an eye. Get right to the 2021 draft and see what kind of young talent we have.


50 game season would rollback the cap way to much..
Training facilities are open  
nygiants16 : 10/30/2020 1:02 pm : link
coaches can run scrimmages, up to 10 players at a time, get tested every day..
RE: According to stein  
BigBlueShock : 10/30/2020 1:10 pm : link
In comment 15029201 nygiants16 said:
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If players insist on MLK day start, the nba will only offer a 50 game season because the tv partners do not want to get in the way of the olympics
unless something changes drastically in the next few months, I’d be shocked if the Olympics went on. The networks could screw themselves if that’s their stance
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