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Some cool Daniel Jones Stats from Giants.com

Britt in VA : 10/27/2020 8:08 pm
For those of you that don't think he's a bum. Don't want these to get buried in the other thread:

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In the NFL's 101-season history, more than 1,800 players have 75 or more rushing attempts. Only one player among them has a per-carry average of at least 7.6 yards. That player is Daniel Jones.

In his two seasons as the Giants' quarterback, Jones has rushed for 575 yards on 76 carries, a 7.56-yard average that the Elias Sports Bureau said is the highest ever by a player with that many attempts.


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Jones is third among NFL quarterbacks in rushing yardage this season, behind Kyler Murray (437 yards) and Lamar Jackson (346). His 575 rushing yards since the start of the 2019 season rank fifth among quarterbacks:

Lamar Jackson (Baltimore) - 1,552
Kyler Murray (Arizona) - 981
Josh Allen (Buffalo) - 714
Russell Wilson (Seattle) - 579
Daniel Jones (Giants) - 575


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Jones leads the Giants with 296 rushing yards on 31 carries, a 9.5-yard average that is the highest by an NFL quarterback with that many attempts since 1992, when Pro Football Hall of Famer Steve Young averaged 9.6 yards (297 yards through 31 carries) for the San Francisco 49ers. The last NFL player to maintain such a high average at this statistical juncture was wide receiver Tavon Austin, who gained 303 yards on his first 31 carries (9.8-yard avg.) for the 2015 St. Louis Rams.


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Jones' 296 rushing yards are the most by a Giants quarterback through seven games since Frank Filchock ran for 324 yards in 1946.

The second-year pro has already exceeded his rookie total of 279 yards and needs just 11 more to set the quarterback franchise rushing record in the Super Bowl era:

1967 Fran Tarkenton - 306
1968 Fran Tarkenton - 301
2020 Daniel Jones - 296
2019 Daniel Jones - 279


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Jones also threw two touchdown passes against the Eagles, raising his two-year total to 29. That is tied for the fourth-highest total by a quarterback in his first 20 games with the Giants:

Fran Tarkenton (1967-68) - 41
Charlie Conerly (1948-49) - 36
Y.A. Tittle (1961-62) - 33
Earl Morrall (1965-66) - 29
Daniel Jones (2019-20) - 29


Lots more here, on Giants.com:



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And let's not forget this....  
Britt in VA : 10/27/2020 8:09 pm : link
Jones reached a top speed of 21 MPH the other night, which eclipses Lamar Jackson's best, and better than ANY QB in the NFL since 2018.
Guess I'll add this as well:  
Britt in VA : 10/27/2020 8:12 pm : link
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Dan Schneier
@DanSchneierNFL
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Before you give up on Daniel Jones, did you know the #Giants have PFF's dead last (Andrew Thomas) and second-to-last (Cam Fleming) graded OTs in pass pro (of 57 OTs who qualify)?
They combine to allow 57 pressures in 7 games.
The #Browns entire Oline has allowed 40 pressures.
I really hope Thomas is at least respectable..  
Sean : 10/27/2020 8:14 pm : link
Another premier pick on a bust at LT would be a disaster.
RE: I really hope Thomas is at least respectable..  
Britt in VA : 10/27/2020 8:15 pm : link
In comment 15026682 Sean said:
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Another premier pick on a bust at LT would be a disaster.


Give him time. Give Jones time.
I was super high on DJ coming into this season.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/27/2020 8:15 pm : link
And I still think he's a QB we can win with, but-and it's a HUGE but-the turnovers...we can't gloss over them. It's just alarming. And I know the counterargument is 'Well, P. Manning had a lot of TOs too at the start of his career'. But Manning is one of the best QBs of all time & I don't think any of us see Jones being on the Mt. Rushmore of NFL QBs.

I thought he played well on Thursday & if Engram-that bum-makes that catch, we're 2-5 & the atmosphere around here is totally different, as we'd be in contention in an awful division/finally beat the Eagles.
Do you think the Ravens...  
bw in dc : 10/27/2020 8:16 pm : link
would trade us LJax straight up for Jones?
RE: Guess I'll add this as well:  
GiantsRage2007 : 10/27/2020 8:16 pm : link
In comment 15026680 Britt in VA said:
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Dan Schneier
@DanSchneierNFL
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Before you give up on Daniel Jones, did you know the #Giants have PFF's dead last (Andrew Thomas) and second-to-last (Cam Fleming) graded OTs in pass pro (of 57 OTs who qualify)?
They combine to allow 57 pressures in 7 games.
The #Browns entire Oline has allowed 40 pressures.




So if we benched Thomas and Fleming, and literally put anyone in those 2 spots, statistically (PFF) speaking, they couldn’t be worse?

Jesus.
RE: Do you think the Ravens...  
Britt in VA : 10/27/2020 8:16 pm : link
In comment 15026686 bw in dc said:
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would trade us LJax straight up for Jones?


Do you think Jones would rather be on the Ravens?
RE: RE: Guess I'll add this as well:  
81_Great_Dane : 10/27/2020 8:19 pm : link
In comment 15026687 GiantsRage2007 said:
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So if we benched Thomas and Fleming, and literally put anyone in those 2 spots, statistically (PFF) speaking, they couldn’t be worse?

Jesus.
Well, no, it doesn't work that way, but bottom line: "Jesus" is right.
I will say this about DJ...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/27/2020 8:21 pm : link
He's playing behind a horrific line & guys they're pulling off the street. I feel like this when I see some of our skill players:
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RE: Do you think the Ravens...  
Chris684 : 10/27/2020 8:23 pm : link
In comment 15026686 bw in dc said:
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would trade us LJax straight up for Jones?


They’re a playoff team with either one and likely have a better shot to win in the postseason with Jones who actually knows how to throw the ball.
RE: RE: Do you think the Ravens...  
Britt in VA : 10/27/2020 8:25 pm : link
In comment 15026694 Chris684 said:
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would trade us LJax straight up for Jones?



They’re a playoff team with either one and likely have a better shot to win in the postseason with Jones who actually knows how to throw the ball.


Don't take the bait and let it get into a Lamar vs. Jones pissing contest.

Let those stats marinate. They speak for themselves.
RE: RE: Do you think the Ravens...  
Go Terps : 10/27/2020 8:28 pm : link
In comment 15026694 Chris684 said:
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would trade us LJax straight up for Jones?



They’re a playoff team with either one and likely have a better shot to win in the postseason with Jones who actually knows how to throw the ball.


Wow.
Like I said, this isn't about Jones vs. Jackson.  
Britt in VA : 10/27/2020 8:29 pm : link
Comparisons only provided for context on my part.
RE: RE: Do you think the Ravens...  
bw in dc : 10/27/2020 8:30 pm : link
In comment 15026694 Chris684 said:
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would trade us LJax straight up for Jones?



They’re a playoff team with either one and likely have a better shot to win in the postseason with Jones who actually knows how to throw the ball.


I don't know - maybe. Jones would definitely be in a better environment overall.

I do know what LJax can do because his production earned him an MVP. But I do get the concerns about Jax's issues when the Ravens get in a hole and become one dimensional. Just can't so unequivocally that Jones would solve that. That's a pretty big leap...
I think Jones has a nice skillset..  
Sean : 10/27/2020 8:30 pm : link
I’ll say this, I’m sure Shanahan would trade Garoppolo straight up for Jones. I think a guy like Shanahan could do a lot with Jones’ skill set. Same with McVay. He has tools you can work with. I’d imagine the Browns would trade Mayfield for Jones as well.

But, as SFGF notes above - the turnovers are very concerning. I can’t get around that to this point.
RE: RE: Guess I'll add this as well:  
FStubbs : 10/27/2020 8:30 pm : link
In comment 15026687 GiantsRage2007 said:
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Dan Schneier
@DanSchneierNFL
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6h
Before you give up on Daniel Jones, did you know the #Giants have PFF's dead last (Andrew Thomas) and second-to-last (Cam Fleming) graded OTs in pass pro (of 57 OTs who qualify)?
They combine to allow 57 pressures in 7 games.
The #Browns entire Oline has allowed 40 pressures.






So if we benched Thomas and Fleming, and literally put anyone in those 2 spots, statistically (PFF) speaking, they couldn’t be worse?

Jesus.


I guess even Bobby Hart ...
RE: I think Jones has a nice skillset..  
Britt in VA : 10/27/2020 8:31 pm : link
In comment 15026701 Sean said:
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I’ll say this, I’m sure Shanahan would trade Garoppolo straight up for Jones. I think a guy like Shanahan could do a lot with Jones’ skill set. Same with McVay. He has tools you can work with. I’d imagine the Browns would trade Mayfield for Jones as well.

But, as SFGF notes above - the turnovers are very concerning. I can’t get around that to this point.


Well let me ask YOU this: Would you take Garappolo or Mayfield straight up for Jones to be the Giants QB?
Britt-  
Sean : 10/27/2020 8:34 pm : link
No I wouldn’t. I’d put Jones above both players. Garoppolo is vastly overpaid imo. Jones has more talent than Mayfield imo.
Jones..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/27/2020 8:35 pm : link
has also been pressured on 54% of his dropbacks this season. The most of any QB
RE: Britt-  
Britt in VA : 10/27/2020 8:35 pm : link
In comment 15026710 Sean said:
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No I wouldn’t. I’d put Jones above both players. Garoppolo is vastly overpaid imo. Jones has more talent than Mayfield imo.


Okay... Now we're all finding a middle ground here. That's good.
Sean.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/27/2020 8:35 pm : link
That's what it comes down. If Jones can clean up the TOs, I believe he's a QB you can win with in this league. If not, well, he's going to be a backup.

I feel for the guy because he's playing behind an atrocious OL-again, thanks Gettleman!-& few skill players. Sterling is good, but Engram sucks. Tate is meh. Slayton & DJ seem to be a good combo, but I don't think Slayton is a #1 WR on a good team.
And let's not forget....  
Britt in VA : 10/27/2020 8:37 pm : link
Garappolo is a few play calls/plays away from being a Superbowl winning QB.
RE: I think Jones has a nice skillset..  
bw in dc : 10/27/2020 8:38 pm : link
In comment 15026701 Sean said:
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I’ll say this, I’m sure Shanahan would trade Garoppolo straight up for Jones. I think a guy like Shanahan could do a lot with Jones’ skill set. Same with McVay. He has tools you can work with. I’d imagine the Browns would trade Mayfield for Jones as well.

But, as SFGF notes above - the turnovers are very concerning. I can’t get around that to this point.


That's fascinating that you think that so convincingly. As if Jones skills are far superior to Garoppolo.
Jones's effectiveness as a rusher is beyond question  
Go Terps : 10/27/2020 8:41 pm : link
He's a really good runner. I've been saying it since last year: RPOs, rollouts, designed QB runs...that's what the offense should be from the outset. He should be featured as a runner, getting 8-12 attempts per game.

So why is he at only 4.4 carries per game?

If he's going to be the guy next year, I would acquire two mobile QBs to back him up and install an offense based on the QB as a runner - like they do in Baltimore. That's how you use Jones...not as a pocket passer.
Jones is a tough sob, I do give him that..  
Sean : 10/27/2020 8:42 pm : link
He’s got 9 games left, and I’m looking for clean games. No turnovers, just smart/efficient football.

I’d also like to see him play well and win the remaining NFC East games. That’s the type of things I’m looking for. Him playing well and elevating this offense to some wins is what I need to see.
Oh, I so look forward to hearing you spin Garappolo's skillset, bw....  
Britt in VA : 10/27/2020 8:42 pm : link
who wasn't even playing when his injury ridden roster beat the breaks off of us a couple of weeks ago.
RE: Jones's effectiveness as a rusher is beyond question  
Britt in VA : 10/27/2020 8:45 pm : link
In comment 15026724 Go Terps said:
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He's a really good runner. I've been saying it since last year: RPOs, rollouts, designed QB runs...that's what the offense should be from the outset. He should be featured as a runner, getting 8-12 attempts per game.

So why is he at only 4.4 carries per game?

If he's going to be the guy next year, I would acquire two mobile QBs to back him up and install an offense based on the QB as a runner - like they do in Baltimore. That's how you use Jones...not as a pocket passer.


See, I can get on board with that. Maybe like what New Orleans does with that Hill kid. When teams respect that, maybe Jones can develop more as a passer.
I agree with Sean  
Chris684 : 10/27/2020 8:51 pm : link
Some clean games statistically, some NFC East wins or a win against a team like Tampa Bay or Baltimore or a game winning drive or two would be go a long way.

I’m not really looking to move on from Jones but without question I’d draft Trevor Lawrence if given the opportunity.

I like to think it will all work out because if Jones really tanks the rest of the season, we may well have that chance. If he plays better like I laid out above, we won’t.
RE: Oh, I so look forward to hearing you spin Garappolo's skillset, bw....  
bw in dc : 10/27/2020 8:51 pm : link
In comment 15026726 Britt in VA said:
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who wasn't even playing when his injury ridden roster beat the breaks off of us a couple of weeks ago.


Well, that speaks to two things - they have one of the deepest rosters in the NFL and we have one of the worst.

As for JG's skill set, where do you want to start? He's not my favorite QB to defend, but he's a good QB considering where he was drafted - late in the 2nd round. Which is where Jones should have been drafted.

His career QBR is in the 70s, he's a pretty good athlete who can move and his has a plus arm. And he's won big games. Solid pedigree.

RE: RE: Oh, I so look forward to hearing you spin Garappolo's skillset, bw....  
Britt in VA : 10/27/2020 8:54 pm : link
In comment 15026734 bw in dc said:
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who wasn't even playing when his injury ridden roster beat the breaks off of us a couple of weeks ago.



Well, that speaks to two things - they have one of the deepest rosters in the NFL and we have one of the worst.

As for JG's skill set, where do you want to start? He's not my favorite QB to defend, but he's a good QB considering where he was drafted - late in the 2nd round. Which is where Jones should have been drafted.

His career QBR is in the 70s, he's a pretty good athlete who can move and his has a plus arm. And he's won big games. Solid pedigree.


He also sat for three years behind Tom Brady, learning.
The Jimmy G trade has been called  
Chris684 : 10/27/2020 8:57 pm : link
one of the greatest steals in NFL trade history. For the 2nd rounder plus that contract, I’m not really seeing that yet.
bw..  
Sean : 10/27/2020 8:58 pm : link
Your point about draft selection is fair, but that went out the window when SF gave him that huge deal. I don’t think he’s necessarily worth the money he is getting.
Jimmy G sat for three years behind Brady,  
Britt in VA : 10/27/2020 8:59 pm : link
got traded and played well on a 6-10 team, then followed it up with an injury riddled year on a 4-12 team, before finally emerging, 5 years later on a Superbowl San Fran roster.

But we're talking about the book being out on Jones after 20 games?
I'm not following...  
bw in dc : 10/27/2020 9:02 pm : link
JG was drafted to maybe one day be the heir apparent to Brady. And if the speculation is true, Belichick was willing to keep him and let Brady go three years ago. But Brady went to Kraft and cashed in some chips.

Jones, meanwhile, was drafted to be THE MAN once the organization came to their sense that Eli was finished.

Much different circumstances.

RE: I think Jones has a nice skillset..  
The_Boss : 10/27/2020 9:02 pm : link
In comment 15026701 Sean said:
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I’ll say this, I’m sure Shanahan would trade Garoppolo straight up for Jones. I think a guy like Shanahan could do a lot with Jones’ skill set. Same with McVay. He has tools you can work with. I’d imagine the Browns would trade Mayfield for Jones as well.

But, as SFGF notes above - the turnovers are very concerning. I can’t get around that to this point.


I’m not a Mayfield fan but I do not think for one second that Cleveland would trade him straight up for Jones. Come on.
RE: RE: I think Jones has a nice skillset..  
The_Boss : 10/27/2020 9:03 pm : link
In comment 15026706 Britt in VA said:
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I’ll say this, I’m sure Shanahan would trade Garoppolo straight up for Jones. I think a guy like Shanahan could do a lot with Jones’ skill set. Same with McVay. He has tools you can work with. I’d imagine the Browns would trade Mayfield for Jones as well.

But, as SFGF notes above - the turnovers are very concerning. I can’t get around that to this point.



Well let me ask YOU this: Would you take Garappolo or Mayfield straight up for Jones to be the Giants QB?


I would.
And in 20 games.....  
Britt in VA : 10/27/2020 9:03 pm : link
Jones has shown equal to or more as Jimmy G in 4-5 years. But Jimmy G gets a pass and Jones has hit his ceiling.

Following?
But I'm letting myself get caught up.  
Britt in VA : 10/27/2020 9:05 pm : link
Those are the stats posted in the op.

They speak for themselves.
Hey Britt, where in VA do you live?  
GiantNatty : 10/27/2020 9:05 pm : link
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Boss..  
Sean : 10/27/2020 9:07 pm : link
John Middlekauff whose a former NFL scout recently said on Twitter from a pure talent standpoint, Mayfield likely has the least of all the starting QB’s in the NFL. I’m not a Mayfield fan, I don’t see why he does exceptionally well. At least Jones presents a running threat.
RE: bw..  
bw in dc : 10/27/2020 9:09 pm : link
In comment 15026743 Sean said:
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Your point about draft selection is fair, but that went out the window when SF gave him that huge deal. I don’t think he’s necessarily worth the money he is getting.


Okay, well, that's a different conversation. The 9ers saw something in his game and gave him the big contract. The average annual salary right now is $27M+, 13th in the league amongst QBs. Which by today's standards actually isn't bad.

He's not my favorite QB but he almost won a SB - was likely going to be the MVP - and has put up very respectable numbers thus far.

To be clear, I'm not elevating him to top ten NFL status. But I think there are things to work with and he has proven he can win NFL games...
Britt makes a fair point though..  
Sean : 10/27/2020 9:15 pm : link
Jimmy G sat behind Brady all those years, had a few good games and then parlayed that into a trade, starting role and large contract. I can’t think of a player whose ever cashed out more over such a small, initial sample size.
RE: Hey Britt, where in VA do you live?  
Britt in VA : 10/27/2020 9:16 pm : link
In comment 15026755 GiantNatty said:
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Richmond VA. More specifically, Bon Air.
RE: Britt makes a fair point though..  
bw in dc : 10/27/2020 9:17 pm : link
In comment 15026761 Sean said:
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Jimmy G sat behind Brady all those years, had a few good games and then parlayed that into a trade, starting role and large contract. I can’t think of a player whose ever cashed out more over such a small, initial sample size.


Matt Flynn ring a bell?
I've said it before and I'll say it again. I have not given up  
Blue21 : 10/27/2020 9:35 pm : link
on Daniel Jones. Kid showed too much last year to say this quick that he ain't the guy.
Give this man some competent  
tyrik13 : 10/27/2020 9:47 pm : link
Tackles and some got damn playmakers who can separate and catch the got damn ball, Jones will be fine and can win. If we continue to not give him talent to work with then we’ll just be wasting his career
Jones is the least of our problems.  
montanagiant : 10/27/2020 9:50 pm : link
Get the O-Line playing to at least the league average
Get a true #1 receiver that can take the top off the D
Do those 2 things and Jones will shine

Add a legit Edge Rusher and a decent #2 CB and we'll start cooking
What is with this Jones shit  
Black_Flag : 10/27/2020 10:33 pm : link
This is a one win team.

Jones has been outplayed by pretty much every QB he faced this year.

Wentz, Kyle Allen, A Dalton, Dak Prescott, Mullens etc.

He got outplayed b Kyle Allen. I saw Allen throw deep and yes even in cover 2. We have seen these QBs play well with shit rosters too. We have seen these guys play with 8-10 starters out respectively.

Last year we saw Jones Turn the ball and lose a bunch of games. Put up meaningless numbers while constantly trailing by 2 scores from turnovers he created. We watched Eli play against a play off bound Dolphins team that only sucked really because their QB play sucked and beat him. I watched some of the game again ; he threw deep, played with a 2-3 score lead. Actually won a game for once that wasn't against the Washington football team.

Yet we are supposed to believe if it is just this or that then Jones is the goods.

Despite all the facts this place is just the Jones and Saquon fan club. What is it going to take for you guys to realize this team would be better with another QB.
RE: What is with this Jones shit  
montanagiant : 10/27/2020 10:59 pm : link
In comment 15026805 Black_Flag said:
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This is a one win team.

Jones has been outplayed by pretty much every QB he faced this year.

Wentz, Kyle Allen, A Dalton, Dak Prescott, Mullens etc.

He got outplayed b Kyle Allen. I saw Allen throw deep and yes even in cover 2. We have seen these QBs play well with shit rosters too. We have seen these guys play with 8-10 starters out respectively.

Last year we saw Jones Turn the ball and lose a bunch of games. Put up meaningless numbers while constantly trailing by 2 scores from turnovers he created. We watched Eli play against a play off bound Dolphins team that only sucked really because their QB play sucked and beat him. I watched some of the game again ; he threw deep, played with a 2-3 score lead. Actually won a game for once that wasn't against the Washington football team.

Yet we are supposed to believe if it is just this or that then Jones is the goods.

Despite all the facts this place is just the Jones and Saquon fan club. What is it going to take for you guys to realize this team would be better with another QB.

What QB that he's been outplayed by has shitty weapons and no O-line as bad as ours?
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