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In the NFL's 101-season history, more than 1,800 players have 75 or more rushing attempts. Only one player among them has a per-carry average of at least 7.6 yards. That player is Daniel Jones. In his two seasons as the Giants' quarterback, Jones has rushed for 575 yards on 76 carries, a 7.56-yard average that the Elias Sports Bureau said is the highest ever by a player with that many attempts. |
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Jones is third among NFL quarterbacks in rushing yardage this season, behind Kyler Murray (437 yards) and Lamar Jackson (346). His 575 rushing yards since the start of the 2019 season rank fifth among quarterbacks: Lamar Jackson (Baltimore) - 1,552 Kyler Murray (Arizona) - 981 Josh Allen (Buffalo) - 714 Russell Wilson (Seattle) - 579 Daniel Jones (Giants) - 575 |
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Jones leads the Giants with 296 rushing yards on 31 carries, a 9.5-yard average that is the highest by an NFL quarterback with that many attempts since 1992, when Pro Football Hall of Famer Steve Young averaged 9.6 yards (297 yards through 31 carries) for the San Francisco 49ers. The last NFL player to maintain such a high average at this statistical juncture was wide receiver Tavon Austin, who gained 303 yards on his first 31 carries (9.8-yard avg.) for the 2015 St. Louis Rams. |
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Jones' 296 rushing yards are the most by a Giants quarterback through seven games since Frank Filchock ran for 324 yards in 1946. The second-year pro has already exceeded his rookie total of 279 yards and needs just 11 more to set the quarterback franchise rushing record in the Super Bowl era: 1967 Fran Tarkenton - 306 1968 Fran Tarkenton - 301 2020 Daniel Jones - 296 2019 Daniel Jones - 279 |
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Jones also threw two touchdown passes against the Eagles, raising his two-year total to 29. That is tied for the fourth-highest total by a quarterback in his first 20 games with the Giants: Fran Tarkenton (1967-68) - 41 Charlie Conerly (1948-49) - 36 Y.A. Tittle (1961-62) - 33 Earl Morrall (1965-66) - 29 Daniel Jones (2019-20) - 29 |
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Before you give up on Daniel Jones, did you know the #Giants have PFF's dead last (Andrew Thomas) and second-to-last (Cam Fleming) graded OTs in pass pro (of 57 OTs who qualify)?
They combine to allow 57 pressures in 7 games.
The #Browns entire Oline has allowed 40 pressures.
Give him time. Give Jones time.
I thought he played well on Thursday & if Engram-that bum-makes that catch, we're 2-5 & the atmosphere around here is totally different, as we'd be in contention in an awful division/finally beat the Eagles.
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Before you give up on Daniel Jones, did you know the #Giants have PFF's dead last (Andrew Thomas) and second-to-last (Cam Fleming) graded OTs in pass pro (of 57 OTs who qualify)?
They combine to allow 57 pressures in 7 games.
The #Browns entire Oline has allowed 40 pressures.
So if we benched Thomas and Fleming, and literally put anyone in those 2 spots, statistically (PFF) speaking, they couldn’t be worse?
Jesus.
Do you think Jones would rather be on the Ravens?
Jesus.
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They’re a playoff team with either one and likely have a better shot to win in the postseason with Jones who actually knows how to throw the ball.
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would trade us LJax straight up for Jones?
They’re a playoff team with either one and likely have a better shot to win in the postseason with Jones who actually knows how to throw the ball.
Don't take the bait and let it get into a Lamar vs. Jones pissing contest.
Let those stats marinate. They speak for themselves.
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would trade us LJax straight up for Jones?
They’re a playoff team with either one and likely have a better shot to win in the postseason with Jones who actually knows how to throw the ball.
Wow.
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would trade us LJax straight up for Jones?
They’re a playoff team with either one and likely have a better shot to win in the postseason with Jones who actually knows how to throw the ball.
I don't know - maybe. Jones would definitely be in a better environment overall.
I do know what LJax can do because his production earned him an MVP. But I do get the concerns about Jax's issues when the Ravens get in a hole and become one dimensional. Just can't so unequivocally that Jones would solve that. That's a pretty big leap...
But, as SFGF notes above - the turnovers are very concerning. I can’t get around that to this point.
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Before you give up on Daniel Jones, did you know the #Giants have PFF's dead last (Andrew Thomas) and second-to-last (Cam Fleming) graded OTs in pass pro (of 57 OTs who qualify)?
They combine to allow 57 pressures in 7 games.
The #Browns entire Oline has allowed 40 pressures.
So if we benched Thomas and Fleming, and literally put anyone in those 2 spots, statistically (PFF) speaking, they couldn’t be worse?
Jesus.
I guess even Bobby Hart ...
But, as SFGF notes above - the turnovers are very concerning. I can’t get around that to this point.
Well let me ask YOU this: Would you take Garappolo or Mayfield straight up for Jones to be the Giants QB?
Okay... Now we're all finding a middle ground here. That's good.
I feel for the guy because he's playing behind an atrocious OL-again, thanks Gettleman!-& few skill players. Sterling is good, but Engram sucks. Tate is meh. Slayton & DJ seem to be a good combo, but I don't think Slayton is a #1 WR on a good team.
But, as SFGF notes above - the turnovers are very concerning. I can’t get around that to this point.
That's fascinating that you think that so convincingly. As if Jones skills are far superior to Garoppolo.
So why is he at only 4.4 carries per game?
If he's going to be the guy next year, I would acquire two mobile QBs to back him up and install an offense based on the QB as a runner - like they do in Baltimore. That's how you use Jones...not as a pocket passer.
I’d also like to see him play well and win the remaining NFC East games. That’s the type of things I’m looking for. Him playing well and elevating this offense to some wins is what I need to see.
So why is he at only 4.4 carries per game?
If he's going to be the guy next year, I would acquire two mobile QBs to back him up and install an offense based on the QB as a runner - like they do in Baltimore. That's how you use Jones...not as a pocket passer.
See, I can get on board with that. Maybe like what New Orleans does with that Hill kid. When teams respect that, maybe Jones can develop more as a passer.
I’m not really looking to move on from Jones but without question I’d draft Trevor Lawrence if given the opportunity.
I like to think it will all work out because if Jones really tanks the rest of the season, we may well have that chance. If he plays better like I laid out above, we won’t.
Well, that speaks to two things - they have one of the deepest rosters in the NFL and we have one of the worst.
As for JG's skill set, where do you want to start? He's not my favorite QB to defend, but he's a good QB considering where he was drafted - late in the 2nd round. Which is where Jones should have been drafted.
His career QBR is in the 70s, he's a pretty good athlete who can move and his has a plus arm. And he's won big games. Solid pedigree.
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who wasn't even playing when his injury ridden roster beat the breaks off of us a couple of weeks ago.
Well, that speaks to two things - they have one of the deepest rosters in the NFL and we have one of the worst.
As for JG's skill set, where do you want to start? He's not my favorite QB to defend, but he's a good QB considering where he was drafted - late in the 2nd round. Which is where Jones should have been drafted.
His career QBR is in the 70s, he's a pretty good athlete who can move and his has a plus arm. And he's won big games. Solid pedigree.
He also sat for three years behind Tom Brady, learning.
But we're talking about the book being out on Jones after 20 games?
Jones, meanwhile, was drafted to be THE MAN once the organization came to their sense that Eli was finished.
Much different circumstances.
But, as SFGF notes above - the turnovers are very concerning. I can’t get around that to this point.
I’m not a Mayfield fan but I do not think for one second that Cleveland would trade him straight up for Jones. Come on.
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I’ll say this, I’m sure Shanahan would trade Garoppolo straight up for Jones. I think a guy like Shanahan could do a lot with Jones’ skill set. Same with McVay. He has tools you can work with. I’d imagine the Browns would trade Mayfield for Jones as well.
But, as SFGF notes above - the turnovers are very concerning. I can’t get around that to this point.
Well let me ask YOU this: Would you take Garappolo or Mayfield straight up for Jones to be the Giants QB?
I would.
Following?
They speak for themselves.
Okay, well, that's a different conversation. The 9ers saw something in his game and gave him the big contract. The average annual salary right now is $27M+, 13th in the league amongst QBs. Which by today's standards actually isn't bad.
He's not my favorite QB but he almost won a SB - was likely going to be the MVP - and has put up very respectable numbers thus far.
To be clear, I'm not elevating him to top ten NFL status. But I think there are things to work with and he has proven he can win NFL games...
Richmond VA. More specifically, Bon Air.
Matt Flynn ring a bell?
Get a true #1 receiver that can take the top off the D
Do those 2 things and Jones will shine
Add a legit Edge Rusher and a decent #2 CB and we'll start cooking
Jones has been outplayed by pretty much every QB he faced this year.
Wentz, Kyle Allen, A Dalton, Dak Prescott, Mullens etc.
He got outplayed b Kyle Allen. I saw Allen throw deep and yes even in cover 2. We have seen these QBs play well with shit rosters too. We have seen these guys play with 8-10 starters out respectively.
Last year we saw Jones Turn the ball and lose a bunch of games. Put up meaningless numbers while constantly trailing by 2 scores from turnovers he created. We watched Eli play against a play off bound Dolphins team that only sucked really because their QB play sucked and beat him. I watched some of the game again ; he threw deep, played with a 2-3 score lead. Actually won a game for once that wasn't against the Washington football team.
Yet we are supposed to believe if it is just this or that then Jones is the goods.
Despite all the facts this place is just the Jones and Saquon fan club. What is it going to take for you guys to realize this team would be better with another QB.
Jones has been outplayed by pretty much every QB he faced this year.
Wentz, Kyle Allen, A Dalton, Dak Prescott, Mullens etc.
He got outplayed b Kyle Allen. I saw Allen throw deep and yes even in cover 2. We have seen these QBs play well with shit rosters too. We have seen these guys play with 8-10 starters out respectively.
Last year we saw Jones Turn the ball and lose a bunch of games. Put up meaningless numbers while constantly trailing by 2 scores from turnovers he created. We watched Eli play against a play off bound Dolphins team that only sucked really because their QB play sucked and beat him. I watched some of the game again ; he threw deep, played with a 2-3 score lead. Actually won a game for once that wasn't against the Washington football team.
Yet we are supposed to believe if it is just this or that then Jones is the goods.
Despite all the facts this place is just the Jones and Saquon fan club. What is it going to take for you guys to realize this team would be better with another QB.
What QB that he's been outplayed by has shitty weapons and no O-line as bad as ours?