Some cool Daniel Jones Stats from Giants.com

Which ones didn't?

Is the Washington Football team just bursting at the seams with pro bowlers ?

Were the Eagles w/ 3 of their starting Oline out (or whatever the heck it was) and their 8 starters out really that much better than the Giants line?

Were Mullens and his missing 10 starters really filled with talent at key positions and linemen?

i really don't feel like watching this team lose again to figure out how much of this is blitzing and how much it is getting pressure with their front four, but I do not recall it ever being just a rush with the front four. I have a feeling you will argue anyway and just blame Engram or Garret or something to try and justify this weird inexplicable admiration from what is by all accounts a bottom tier starting QB if even a starting QB. Heck Allen , Dalton ad Mullens are backups!

In any case why have other supposed elite Qbs played on bad lines? Peyton , Luck, Wilson. Heck what was the point of taking Jones 6th then?? If he's just a Tannehill ...grab someone..... off the scrap pile and use the picks for "weapons"

It’s not about designing runs for him. That should probably happen, but the issue is he doesn’t seem to know when to use his legs or have the innate ability to. That’s the difference with the truly mobile QBs — they use their legs to create time to throw and know when to take off. I don’t see that ability with Jones and I’m not sure if we ever will.

That’s really the biggest issue with Jones right now. He’s accurate with the football and he can run. But the decision making needs to be faster. See the play and if it’s not there take off. If the receiver needs time buy time in the pocket with your legs. Too much hesitation. Not enough feel in the pocket yet.

The organization and Jones need to decide what type of QB he is going to be. If he’s going to be more of a Lamar type then they need to feature his legs more and design a simple offense with easy reads. If the vision is more of a Rodgers type, then he needs to be sharper mentally and learn how to buy time in the pocket with his legs.

It is never going to work with Jones as a pocket passer like Eli, Brees, etc. Never. There are a couple reasons:

1. He doesn't have the skill set. There's a hitch in his release, he locks on to his primary read, and he has no pocket presence at all. Jones is a hard worker, a smart kid, and has had access to excellent QB coaching for years...yet he still has bad habits. The NFL is not where you go to unlearn bad habits - it's hard enough to compete against the best players and coaches in the world already without having to relearn how to play. Jones is what he is.

2. The NFL is already moving away from pocket passers for a couple reasons:

a. It is more effective to have a mobile QB
b. College is not producing pocket passers
c. College is not producing offensive linemen that are good at protecting pocket passers

Giving a young QB 3-4 years to learn how to throw from the pocket is enormously inefficient. We're seeing around the league that the college-to-NFL learning curve has never been easier for quarterbacks.

The Giants need to reconcile themselves with the above points, because of they try to turn Jones into a pocket passer it will never work.

let Jones play RB and Saquon play QB? Anyone gave any solid Saquon passing stats? Crazy me...I thought we drafted DJ as a QB, but we're focused on running but don't want to admit his passing stats suck and he's a turnover machine.

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1. He doesn't have the skill set. There's a hitch in his release, he locks on to his primary read, and he has no pocket presence at all. Jones is a hard worker, a smart kid, and has had access to excellent QB coaching for years...yet he still has bad habits. The NFL is not where you go to unlearn bad habits - it's hard enough to compete against the best players and coaches in the world already without having to relearn how to play. Jones is what he is. Giving a young QB 3-4 years to learn how to throw from the pocket is enormously inefficient. We're seeing around the league that the college-to-NFL learning curve has never been easier for quarterbacks.

Lots of respect for your GM opinions, however, on the players/coach aspect of what can be learned/taught. You're right habits do not go away midseason, unless you're Eli, but they absolutely can go away in the offseason. Especially one with extra OTA's and minicamps for new head coaches. We didn't get that. Schuplinski coached a ton of bad habits out of Jimmy G and Brissett, and that's why he was brought here. Giving a qb 3-4 years can provide great return, if you hit. ROI would still be positive.

We saw Dak develop from a QB all of us enjoyed playing against, to one who can actually put up 400 yards against us. His mechanics and footwork look totally different from his rookie year.

QB's develop all the time, lemme rephrase that, good QB's make their name on the ability to develop their game.

Stafford stared down one receiver his first 7 years in the league, didn't have a QBR above 60 until Calvin Johnson left, in his 8th year as a starter. There's a crap ton of examples of those who did develop and those who never kicked the bad habits. It goes both ways.

It's going to come down to all these "teachers" we've hired as coaches, let's put the pressure on them to develop what little talent we have. If we get the 1st overall pick it comes down to what helps us more, Trevor Lawrence, or 3 1st rounders+ and Jones. I'm taking the latter, as talented as I believe Lawrence is.

Case Study

The strategy projects to a similar Jones' comp in Miami, if Miami

1. didn't wait so long to fire Gase

2. tried Tannehill with the new regime on a 1 year deal

They could've used that 5th pick on Mekhi Becton or traded it for 2 more 1sts.

They might be 1st in the AFC East and further along with that strategy, rather than rolling dice, trying to strike gold with a rookie QB.

Now they have 2 legit #1 corners who may be too old when they're ready to start winning. I don't think the FO read the field appropriately after 2018, therefore, the cycle continues.

-The FO got great return from their trades and made an excellent coaching hire, that I will give them credit for.

until he has an average OL and average eligible WRs to throw to.

Right now he has...
1 The worst OL in football being protected by a left tackle who is already being called a bust
2. A starting running back who was on the couch until we called him a month ago
3. A subpar group of WRs who are often hurt. Slayton is a good #2. He has no #1. Shepard is always hurt and everyone here says Tate is trash. We have had guys out there starting who I did not even know were on the roster. These guys cannot get open.
4. A TE who flat out sucks, cannot catch, cannot run proper routes, and cannot block
5. An OC who is subpar calling head scratching calls

So, with no running game we are always in 3rd and long situations. Stats show he is pressured more than any QB and has the shortest window to throw. We all have said these WRs cannot get open.

I am actually surprised he does not look worse and had a chance to win more games this year at the end.

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And I still think he's a QB we can win with, but-and it's a HUGE but-the turnovers...we can't gloss over them. It's just alarming. And I know the counterargument is 'Well, P. Manning had a lot of TOs too at the start of his career'. But Manning is one of the best QBs of all time & I don't think any of us see Jones being on the Mt. Rushmore of NFL QBs. I thought he played well on Thursday & if Engram-that bum-makes that catch, we're 2-5 & the atmosphere around here is totally different, as we'd be in contention in an awful division/finally beat the Eagles.

”Greatest of all times “ I don’t think so. Other than 3 seasons Eli never showed the ability to carry the team. The 2 SB were great but we also had a very strong defense.

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would trade us LJax straight up for Jones?

Of course they would. Just look at the top speed and YPC!

In comment 15026699 Britt in VA said:

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Comparisons only provided for context on my part.

Four whole minutes of not taking the bait hahaha.

I do not have any background in football other than being a fan. But, if you were trying to develop player X, in any sport, wouldn't you maximize his innate talents and strong points while coaching him up on the things that need work simultaneously? With Jones, it seems as though if they added his ability to run as a focal point of the offense, it might loosen up defenses, keep the pass rush at bay, take pressure off the line, and give him more time to throw?

In comment 15026912 joe48 said:

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In comment 15026685 SFGFNCGiantsFan said: Quote: And I still think he's a QB we can win with, but-and it's a HUGE but-the turnovers...we can't gloss over them. It's just alarming. And I know the counterargument is 'Well, P. Manning had a lot of TOs too at the start of his career'. But Manning is one of the best QBs of all time & I don't think any of us see Jones being on the Mt. Rushmore of NFL QBs. I thought he played well on Thursday & if Engram-that bum-makes that catch, we're 2-5 & the atmosphere around here is totally different, as we'd be in contention in an awful division/finally beat the Eagles. ”Greatest of all times “ I don’t think so. Other than 3 seasons Eli never showed the ability to carry the team. The 2 SB were great but we also had a very strong defense.

So Eli only gave you 3 seasons where he carried a pretty mediocre to above average team to 2 world championships?

So instead lets hand the reigns over to a guy who can't even get into field goal range on the last drive of a game or not throw an int to lose the game?

How does that make sense? I guess it is this whole fascination with the culture's "new" mania. It sucks but it's new at least. We lose every game except to Washington but we can run the rpo and once it awhile danny boy breaks one. To most fans I guess they think "well then they should keep doing that". You keep running that naked bootleg over and over and jones is going to get his leg broken 5 yards behind the line of scrimmage when 3 LBs see it coming a mile a way.

When your offense is built around throwing the ball to Evan "HANDS OF STONE" Engram?

his game against the Eagles would have been one the better ones a Giant QB had against them that I recall.

He was 20 for 30, 187 yards, 2 TDs and 1 Int and 1 Fumble. With another 92 yards rushing.

Engram accounted for the 1 int, 30 lost passing yards on the drop, and Jones wouldn't have fumbled to end the game.

just sayin'

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until he has an average OL and average eligible WRs to throw to. Right now he has... 1 The worst OL in football being protected by a left tackle who is already being called a bust 2. A starting running back who was on the couch until we called him a month ago 3. A subpar group of WRs who are often hurt. Slayton is a good #2. He has no #1. Shepard is always hurt and everyone here says Tate is trash. We have had guys out there starting who I did not even know were on the roster. These guys cannot get open. 4. A TE who flat out sucks, cannot catch, cannot run proper routes, and cannot block 5. An OC who is subpar calling head scratching calls So, with no running game we are always in 3rd and long situations. Stats show he is pressured more than any QB and has the shortest window to throw. We all have said these WRs cannot get open. I am actually surprised he does not look worse and had a chance to win more games this year at the end.

The ironic thing about this is that these are all conditions that Daniel Jones dealt with in college, and the Giants felt perfectly fine evaluating him as a top ten pick.

Giants.com throwing out stats that make jones look good. News at 10. I mean I’m not interested in jones rushing stats and where they rank. Did it help Vick all those years?? I want to see him leading the league or near the top in you know, passing categories. These stats shouldn’t give anyone a warm and fuzzy feeling. His rushing stats are due to a shit line. Poor running back play and weak offensive talent around him

For a sophomore quarterback. No preseason to prepare. Playing behind probably the worst offensive line in football with mostly below average receivers, a tight end who has never been a factor, minus his best offensive weapons, Barkley and Shepherd for most of the season.

Turnovers? I see quarterbacks all over the league every week turning the ball over when pressured.

It s been established Jones is the most pressured quarterback in the league, see the connection

I am very confident Jones is the answer, I have a hard time understanding the bias against him, we ll see who s right.

on Jason G. - I actually think he's doing a great job.

This Giants team isn't winning a Super Bowl-competing for a division-finishing above .500.

This year is about Daniel Jones and whether you can build around him. The more designed running plays they have for him - the more likely it is he gets hurt. You can't evaluate a guy if he's hurt.

Add in the fact that he's got to design an offensive game plan around the two worst tackles in the NFL, a TE that can't catch, a running game that features a bunch of JAGS, and a WR that can't create separation or get a clean release off the line of scrimmage.

He's also trying to protect a defense that's not as good as they look on paper.

This team's only chance to win any games and protect DJ is call every game exactly the way they are - and there's a good chance that order is coming from Judge.

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on Jason G. - I actually think he's doing a great job. This Giants team isn't winning a Super Bowl-competing for a division-finishing above .500. This year is about Daniel Jones and whether you can build around him. The more designed running plays they have for him - the more likely it is he gets hurt. You can't evaluate a guy if he's hurt. Add in the fact that he's got to design an offensive game plan around the two worst tackles in the NFL, a TE that can't catch, a running game that features a bunch of JAGS, and a WR that can't create separation or get a clean release off the line of scrimmage. He's also trying to protect a defense that's not as good as they look on paper. This team's only chance to win any games and protect DJ is call every game exactly the way they are - and there's a good chance that order is coming from Judge.

He's athletic and fast. Saying that runs shouldn't be designed for him at all because he might get hurt doesn't make sense, as you're taking away one of his most unique/strongest attributes. Now having said that, there's of course a balance there. You can't run him every play and have him get hurt, but it should be in the playbook and used more frequently than it is now.

The Giants should be designing the offense to Jones' strength which is his mobility. He is much closer to Lamar Jackson right now in his skill set than he is Eli. He is not a pocket passer yet because the game is still moving too quickly for him and he is not making good decisions in the pocket. That may improve, but that is not what he is yet and there is no need to try and make him that, especially with little talent elsewhere that make being a pocket passer more difficult.

I love the model Baltimore followed with Jackson of playing to his strengths instead of trying to shoehorn him into a system. The Giants should be doing the same thing with Jones because his skill set is similar.

and obviously they've made their offense to fit perfectly with his skills. But his performance once the weather turns has been pretty bad. He's really young and obviously should get better as time goes on, but as of this point he's a 50% passer in the playoffs.

People love to call out Jones for his warts every single day, let's at least be honest about the other QBs downsides as well.

will be a good test for Jones' progression. Playing against a really good defense, national spotlight. Let's see if he's up to it.

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The ironic thing about this is that these are all conditions that Daniel Jones dealt with in college, and the Giants felt perfectly fine evaluating him as a top ten pick.

I have no idea how to evaluate a QB in college. So many variables... even more than the pros. Not sure what the Giants were looking at or whether they were leaning heavily on the endorsement from his coach.

Meanwhile...ask me about evaluating a defensive back or a WR and I can provide you with NFL scout level feedback.

In comment 15027032 Mike from Ohio said:

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The Giants should be designing the offense to Jones' strength which is his mobility. He is much closer to Lamar Jackson right now in his skill set than he is Eli. He is not a pocket passer yet because the game is still moving too quickly for him and he is not making good decisions in the pocket. That may improve, but that is not what he is yet and there is no need to try and make him that, especially with little talent elsewhere that make being a pocket passer more difficult. I love the model Baltimore followed with Jackson of playing to his strengths instead of trying to shoehorn him into a system. The Giants should be doing the same thing with Jones because his skill set is similar.

And it seems we have seen more designed runs for him in recent weeks, so maybe they are.

They are implementing this whole offense on the fly, by the way...

I know it was mentioned that he's running only 4.4 times per game. But that's season average. Has that been consistent, or has it been increasing at all game to game?

he is on the run whether he planned to or not.

Is not ever going to be great, or lead the team to a Superbowl, he has flaws that will never be corrected and will get worse, he panics under pressure unless the play called goes perfect so he does not have to think at all. I agree he would do well with a great team, so would just about any NFL QB. I think he could become a decent QB, but never great and never clutch, he will ruin great opportunity, bbi knocked Romo, Jones will never be as good as Romo.

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In comment 15026755 GiantNatty said: Quote: . Richmond VA. More specifically, Bon Air.

Funny, I remember when you were looking at a house in Stratford Hills.

I lived in Bon Air at the time...I moved to Stratford Hills!

heh~

The only stat that counts and I hope DJ becomes the greatest Giants QB ever but until than the only cool DJ stat is winning football games.

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In comment 15026762 Britt in VA said: Quote: In comment 15026755 GiantNatty said: Quote: . Richmond VA. More specifically, Bon Air. Funny, I remember when you were looking at a house in Stratford Hills. I lived in Bon Air at the time...I moved to Stratford Hills! heh~

I loved my house in Stratford Hills. Both my kids were born there. Saw both Giants Superbowls there. Best years of my life so far. When it’s time to downsize, I’m moving back!

On Jones' biggest runs, Jones himself has a hand in deciding how the play unfolds. From my view those runs were zone reads, where Jones reads the backside edge defender which tells Jones whether to hand to the back or keep it himself.

There is a downside to blowing up and starting over. It generally sets the clock back. I have concerns with Jones (I was very annoyed after the Dallas game), but starting over at QB just resets the clock again. That’s how so many franchises (including the Giants now) continuously spin their wheels.

If you watch Mara’s comments after Gettleman was retained last year, he talks about not wanting to blow it up after so much was implemented with DG since he was hired.

We are seeing the consequences of that now, there’s no doubt that a new staff has led to growing pains. It’s why it’s so tough to compete when there is no stability. But, I’m very high on Judge. Here are the records of first year head coaches this year:

Stefanski: 5-2
Rhule: 3-4
Rivera: 2-5
McCarthy: 2-5
Judge: 1-6

The Browns are the most talented, so it’s not shocking CLE is 5-2. The best case scenario for this franchise would be not needed to start over again. I’d rather see Judge & Jones have a strong second half.

I haven't given up on Jones either, but some of these takes are absurd. Jones is currently a bottom five starting QB in the league. He's flashed but is being ruined by a crap team.

No one in the NFL is taking Jones over Mayfield/Jimmy G.

Jackson is in a different stratosphere than any of those guys. I hope whoever would take Jones over Jackson checks themselves into a mental institution.

In comment 15027115 BrettNYG10 said:

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I haven't given up on Jones either, but some of these takes are absurd. Jones is currently a bottom five starting QB in the league. He's flashed but is being ruined by a crap team. No one in the NFL is taking Jones over Mayfield/Jimmy G. Jackson is in a different stratosphere than any of those guys. I hope whoever would take Jones over Jackson checks themselves into a mental institution.

Let me ask you a very simple question.

Do you think Lamar Jackson would be the same player he is today had the Giants drafted him?

Everything else the same. Giants draft Lamar Jackson in 2018 either by a high second round pick or trading back into the first to get him.

Is Lamar Jackson the MVP last year? Is he even close? What does that player look like, and why?

The Browns are an average-ish football team with an incredibly easy record. They might make the playoffs because of how easy their schedule is.

They beat the Cowboys, Redskins, Colts, Bengals (x2), and play the Texans, Jaguars, Giants, Eagles, and Jets. It's absurd.

Or last year?

In comment 15027120 Britt in VA said:

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In comment 15027115 BrettNYG10 said: Quote: I haven't given up on Jones either, but some of these takes are absurd. Jones is currently a bottom five starting QB in the league. He's flashed but is being ruined by a crap team. No one in the NFL is taking Jones over Mayfield/Jimmy G. Jackson is in a different stratosphere than any of those guys. I hope whoever would take Jones over Jackson checks themselves into a mental institution. Let me ask you a very simple question. Do you think Lamar Jackson would be the same player he is today had the Giants drafted him? Everything else the same. Giants draft Lamar Jackson in 2018 either by a high second round pick or trading back into the first to get him. Is Lamar Jackson the MVP last year? Is he even close? What does that player look like, and why?

No, I don't think Jackson is the MVP with the Giants, in large part because their coaching sucked last year (and still sucks on the offensive side of the ball this year). The Giants are a better team with Lamar Jackson, though. Jackson on the Giants is worth a few wins, IMO.

Jackson is a significantly superior player. He was in college and is in the pros. Jackson threw for more yards than Jones in college.

Jackson took a .500 football team and dragged them into the playoffs his rookie season. He completely changed the team.

That's difficult to take seriously.

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Or last year?

It's definitely better.

for Jackson and he deserves it. But, he can't throw the ball in cold weather. It's a problem.

declare Jones no good, never as good as Romo, never win a Super Bowl, etc.

BUT I do worry about this clutchness (for lack of a better word).

He's had the ball in his hands with a chance to tie/win/ice/mount a comeback in 6 games this season. He hasn't done it once.

He couldn't finish the long drive against PIT - as a matter of fact he ruined it.

He couldn't come up with a clutch throw at the end of the game against the Bears - totally had a chance to win/tie the game there.

He had a chance to lead the Giants down the field against the Rams and win/tie the game - couldn't do it.

Had a chance against the Cowboys with under 2 min to lead a game winning drive - couldn't do it.

He had a chance to bury the WFT - he threw a pick in the end zone.

Had a chance to ice the game against the Eagles - couldn't do it.

It's not all on him - he was let down at times by this positional players, his coaches, his OL...but at the end of the day - when you're the QB and you've got the ball with a chance to win/tie/ice a game...it's on you to get the job done...and he hasn't.

This year - that's just a fact.

But comparisons to Jackson are just brain dead and laughable.

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for Jackson and he deserves it. But, he can't throw the ball in cold weather. It's a problem.

It's interesting to see that all the fans of Jackson dislike Jones, but Jones' best skillset is similar to Lamar's best skillset, albeit poor man's version. I actually think Jones would be a really good fit on the Ravens team as it's currently designed.

Now, am I saying that Jones is as good as Jackson? No. But am I saying that he has a similar skillset? Yes.

It's just weird to see people go gaga over Jackson but in the same breath say that Jones isn't something that can be worked with and be successful with.

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We are very Close to each other. I live in Prince George VA

Mainly, since the Dallas game. We’ve seen Jones run more the last few games. His call on the Jones run last week was very good. And to be fair, the call on the Engram drop was brilliant and would have iced the game.

I’m not saying he’s been great, but I’ve seen improvement.

Still would have helped this team win games. Fuck Eli would have helped this team win games.

Everything with Jones is that pass or look at that one run or we came so close if Engram only makes that one easy catch.

Eli, Goff Wilson they try and make plays all the time. Wilsons TE dropped one in the end zone in the Sunday Night Game ; he just keep on throwing. J Goff in Monday night takes shots down the field all the time. Eli did the same thing in the Miami game last year. It is pretty obvious this year they have tried minimizing Jones' turnovers. It is resulting in very conservative play and not enough points to win games or him turning the ball over and losing games just the same like Rams/Bears or him just going to his old ways and looking good in certain plays but Turning over the ball just the same and losing to Philly.

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I have no idea how to evaluate a QB in college. So many variables... even more than the pros. Not sure what the Giants were looking at or whether they were leaning heavily on the endorsement from his coach.

As much as they try to science it up - and I like the science part of it - it's still more art than science trying to evaluate college QBs.

With the evolution of today's game, outside of the traditional skills (accuracy, size, RPMs, etc), the majority of these are a now a must:

-- Dual threat - able to get first downs by air and land
-- Mobility
-- Athleticism
-- Accuracy outside the pocket

As for Jones, I think his selection was based largely on a desire to find Eli 2.0. So the Cutcliffe connection, going to Manning Passing Camps, personality, toughness, etc, checked so many boxes for the romantics at Jints Central....

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In comment 15027131 ryanmkeane said: Quote: for Jackson and he deserves it. But, he can't throw the ball in cold weather. It's a problem. It's interesting to see that all the fans of Jackson dislike Jones, but Jones' best skillset is similar to Lamar's best skillset, albeit poor man's version. I actually think Jones would be a really good fit on the Ravens team as it's currently designed. Now, am I saying that Jones is as good as Jackson? No. But am I saying that he has a similar skillset? Yes. It's just weird to see people go gaga over Jackson but in the same breath say that Jones isn't something that can be worked with and be successful with.

Just because they are both RPO, fast running QBs they are both the same? Or that jones can some day be as good and win like Jackson? Is that really your argument?

In comment 15027148 bw in dc said:

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In comment 15027048 EricJ said: Quote: I have no idea how to evaluate a QB in college. So many variables... even more than the pros. Not sure what the Giants were looking at or whether they were leaning heavily on the endorsement from his coach. As much as they try to science it up - and I like the science part of it - it's still more art than science trying to evaluate college QBs. With the evolution of today's game, outside of the traditional skills (accuracy, size, RPMs, etc), the majority of these are a now a must: -- Dual threat - able to get first downs by air and land -- Mobility -- Athleticism -- Accuracy outside the pocket As for Jones, I think his selection was based largely on a desire to find Eli 2.0. So the Cutcliffe connection, going to Manning Passing Camps, personality, toughness, etc, checked so many boxes for the romantics at Jints Central....

I fail to see the similarities at all.

Eli was a deep throwing ; good arm QB who thrived in play action pass and took what I am sure many would argue too many chances, and hated running.

jones is actually the opposite -- little arm , short passing rpo QB who is very fast and it is his best attribute.

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Mainly, since the Dallas game. We’ve seen Jones run more the last few games. His call on the Jones run last week was very good. And to be fair, the call on the Engram drop was brilliant and would have iced the game. I’m not saying he’s been great, but I’ve seen improvement.

Is it all Garrett improving or perhaps some of it is the players are becoming more comfortable in the offense. How long do we think it takes for players to be comfortable enough for the OC to be able to use most of the playbook? Of course that depends on that complexity, the teaching effectiveness, the players receiving the teaching.

Pocket awareness? Can you teach him not to panic under pressure? Can you teach him to process the play faster? I really am not sure but I think some of those are intrinsic skills that cannot be taught

In comment 15027115 BrettNYG10 said:

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I haven't given up on Jones either, but some of these takes are absurd. Jones is currently a bottom five starting QB in the league. He's flashed but is being ruined by a crap team. No one in the NFL is taking Jones over Mayfield/Jimmy G. Jackson is in a different stratosphere than any of those guys. I hope whoever would take Jones over Jackson checks themselves into a mental institution.

You need to stop at the Kool Aid stand and drink a big cold glass of the Jones Juice.

If Jones had:

Tackles: Trent Williams & Ronnie Staley
Guards: Quentin Nelson & David DeCastro
Center: Jason Kelce
TE: Travis Kelce
WRs: DeAndre Hopkins & Mike Evans
RBs: SBarkley
FB: Kyle Juszczek

We would clearly see how great he is. So until we can get those players, or similar players, it's just not fair to judge Jones.