Some cool Daniel Jones Stats from Giants.com

So here's some cool stats from losers.com:

Daniel Jones 4 wins - 15 loses

Dave Gettleman GM 10 wins - 29 loses

Chris Mara as SR VP Player Personnel 52 wins - 83 loses

You can probably add 2 wins to those totals and another 7 loses by the end of this year.

Cool Stats.

In comment 15027160 Black_Flag said:

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I fail to see the similarities at all. Eli was a deep throwing ; good arm QB who thrived in play action pass and took what I am sure many would argue too many chances, and hated running. jones is actually the opposite -- little arm , short passing rpo QB who is very fast and it is his best attribute.

I didn't mean to suggest they were similar by skill sets. But Jones had those intangibles that the romantics at Jints Central crave.

The Raiders manta is "Just Win Baby!"

The Giants mantra is "Just be the 'Giants Way' Baby!"

In comment 15027165 bw in dc said:

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In comment 15027115 BrettNYG10 said: Quote: I haven't given up on Jones either, but some of these takes are absurd. Jones is currently a bottom five starting QB in the league. He's flashed but is being ruined by a crap team. No one in the NFL is taking Jones over Mayfield/Jimmy G. Jackson is in a different stratosphere than any of those guys. I hope whoever would take Jones over Jackson checks themselves into a mental institution. You need to stop at the Kool Aid stand and drink a big cold glass of the Jones Juice. If Jones had: Tackles: Trent Williams & Ronnie Staley Guards: Quentin Nelson & David DeCastro Center: Jason Kelce TE: Travis Kelce WRs: DeAndre Hopkins & Mike Evans RBs: SBarkley FB: Kyle Juszczek We would clearly see how great he is. So until we can get those players, or similar players, it's just not fair to judge Jones.

Or we can have:

TE: George Kittle
WR: Larry Fitzgerald (or is he washed up. Seems like everyone wants to do that around here to players not playing lights out any longer)
RB Kamara

same lineman as above

Then ...then we'll know

I am starting to think all these people just thought if we jettison Eli then we'll magically be back in the Super bowl. Especially if it a short passing mobile QB. um no.

In comment 15027173 bw in dc said:

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In comment 15027160 Black_Flag said: Quote: I fail to see the similarities at all. Eli was a deep throwing ; good arm QB who thrived in play action pass and took what I am sure many would argue too many chances, and hated running. jones is actually the opposite -- little arm , short passing rpo QB who is very fast and it is his best attribute. I didn't mean to suggest they were similar by skill sets. But Jones had those intangibles that the romantics at Jints Central crave. The Raiders manta is "Just Win Baby!" The Giants mantra is "Just be the 'Giants Way' Baby!"

Ahh - being able to work in Jints Central and the Giants Way in one post. Impressive.

Is a complete fabrication, but impressive!

I try.

But what's the fabrication?

In comment 15027205 bw in dc said:

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I try. But what's the fabrication?

What isn't a fabrication?? "Intangibles" might as well be code for random shit to support a terrible take.

"Romantics at Jints Central"??

Hell, I'd argue that the supposed "Giants way" was a lot more productive than the past few years when several non-Giant way moves have been made:
- Hiring McAdoo
- Hiring Shurmur
- Hiring Judge

Isn't the Giants Way hiring only cronies who bow to the Mara's and kiss the ring? Or do they have to remove the silver spoon from their asses too?

you don't think the Maras/Gettleman/Accorsi/et al were looking for QB to replace Eli that was a newer, improved version of Eli?

1. Jones's carries haven't gradually increased as the season has gone on.

2. He is averaging 3.4 yards more per rush than pass (9.5 to 6.1), yet he has attempted 200 more passes (231) than rushes (31).

In comment 15027169 arniefez said:

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So here's some cool stats from losers.com: Daniel Jones 4 wins - 15 loses Dave Gettleman GM 10 wins - 29 loses Chris Mara as SR VP Player Personnel 52 wins - 83 loses You can probably add 2 wins to those totals and another 7 loses by the end of this year. Cool Stats.

losers.com. Right up your alley. I’m guessing you’re the president?

the dumbass did have the same misspelling 5 times in one post. So I'm guessing it isn't just a typing error.

Let's remember he went to a franchise that had made the playoffs 3 consecutive seasons before finally missing out on the last play of the last week of the regular season before he got there.

Does anyone want to compare the track record of the Ravens before Jackson got there, to the track record of the Giants before Jones got here?

Also, I'd hate to think of what would be said about an NYG quarterback if said QB was 0-2 with a 51% completion percentage, 3 TDs and 5 turnovers.

In comment 15027262 Chris684 said:

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Let's remember he went to a franchise that had made the playoffs 3 consecutive seasons before finally missing out on the last play of the last week of the regular season before he got there. Does anyone want to compare the track record of the Ravens before Jackson got there, to the track record of the Giants before Jones got here? Also, I'd hate to think of what would be said about an NYG quarterback if said QB was 0-2 with a 51% completion percentage, 3 TDs and 5 turnovers.

Referencing the 2 playoff games above obviously.

In comment 15027262 Chris684 said:

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Let's remember he went to a franchise that had made the playoffs 3 consecutive seasons before finally missing out on the last play of the last week of the regular season before he got there. Does anyone want to compare the track record of the Ravens before Jackson got there, to the track record of the Giants before Jones got here? Also, I'd hate to think of what would be said about an NYG quarterback if said QB was 0-2 with a 51% completion percentage, 3 TDs and 5 turnovers.

But the beauty of the Ravens with LJax is they completely overhauled their offense - that fit Flacco - to fit a completely different player in LJax. It was an incredible display of flexibility and out of the box thinking...

In comment 15027262 Chris684 said:

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Let's remember he went to a franchise that had made the playoffs 3 consecutive seasons before finally missing out on the last play of the last week of the regular season before he got there. Does anyone want to compare the track record of the Ravens before Jackson got there, to the track record of the Giants before Jones got here? Also, I'd hate to think of what would be said about an NYG quarterback if said QB was 0-2 with a 51% completion percentage, 3 TDs and 5 turnovers.

Jackson is 24-4 as a starter with a 52/11 TD/INT split, another 14 TDs rushing, an MVP, and an offense that is averaging a little over 30 PPG.

If Jones was doing that this thread wouldn't exist, and everyone here would be going insane over him. People are lauding Jones over getting to 21 points in a loss at Philly - that ain't what life is like for Jackson. Totally different experience.

This place is nuts sometimes with the extent of the homerism.

In comment 15027262 Chris684 said:

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Also, I'd hate to think of what would be said about an NYG quarterback if said QB was 0-2 with a 51% completion percentage, 3 TDs and 5 turnovers.

We're starting a QB that's 4-19 with 61% completion percentage,29 TD and 38 turnovers. See for yourself what people are saying about him.

In comment 15027075 PaulN said:

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Is not ever going to be great, or lead the team to a Superbowl, he has flaws that will never be corrected and will get worse, he panics under pressure unless the play called goes perfect so he does not have to think at all. I agree he would do well with a great team, so would just about any NFL QB. I think he could become a decent QB, but never great and never clutch, he will ruin great opportunity, bbi knocked Romo, Jones will never be as good as Romo.

With what expertise do you make these claims? I have heard NFL QBs including Romo make other assertions. If he corrects the turnovers he could be great. He has accuracy, size and athleticism. I think Romo is a reasonable comp and Romo was very good.

Curious how you do not lock onto your primary read when the expectation is you will be hit immediately. It is not possible to go through any progressions right now with the OL. It also is a fact they go many pass plays with no one open. They Have no speed at WR with Slayton on 1 leg. Yes they have played other teams with injuries, but they still present speed on the outside.

When other teams defenses are getting home with 4-5 people, that leaves 6-7 back and really everyone covered high/low. What defense is worried about getting beat deep by these WR

In comment 15027275 Go Terps said:

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In comment 15027262 Chris684 said: Quote: Let's remember he went to a franchise that had made the playoffs 3 consecutive seasons before finally missing out on the last play of the last week of the regular season before he got there. Does anyone want to compare the track record of the Ravens before Jackson got there, to the track record of the Giants before Jones got here? Also, I'd hate to think of what would be said about an NYG quarterback if said QB was 0-2 with a 51% completion percentage, 3 TDs and 5 turnovers. Jackson is 24-4 as a starter with a 52/11 TD/INT split, another 14 TDs rushing, an MVP, and an offense that is averaging a little over 30 PPG. If Jones was doing that this thread wouldn't exist, and everyone here would be going insane over him. People are lauding Jones over getting to 21 points in a loss at Philly - that ain't what life is like for Jackson. Totally different experience. This place is nuts sometimes with the extent of the homerism.

Come on Terps, look at the difference in personal around Jackson vs Jones, on both sides of the ball it's a huge void between us and them

Stats on their own are indicators, but certainly not predictors of success or value. As Britt said in the OP, they're just "cool."

To really evaluate the success and value of a quarterback, you need to take all the stats, the performance of the offense, and the performance of the team to determine if the player is doing well and holding up his end.

Prime example, you look at just the positive Winston stats last year, and you'd be inclined to think that's a good QB.

I'm on the record that Jones has the tools to be a good quarterback, and always felt Jones's wheels were his best asset.

I'm optimistic Judge can take those cool stats, and translate them into success.

In comment 15027348 montanagiant said:

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In comment 15027275 Go Terps said: Quote: In comment 15027262 Chris684 said: Quote: Let's remember he went to a franchise that had made the playoffs 3 consecutive seasons before finally missing out on the last play of the last week of the regular season before he got there. Does anyone want to compare the track record of the Ravens before Jackson got there, to the track record of the Giants before Jones got here? Also, I'd hate to think of what would be said about an NYG quarterback if said QB was 0-2 with a 51% completion percentage, 3 TDs and 5 turnovers. Jackson is 24-4 as a starter with a 52/11 TD/INT split, another 14 TDs rushing, an MVP, and an offense that is averaging a little over 30 PPG. If Jones was doing that this thread wouldn't exist, and everyone here would be going insane over him. People are lauding Jones over getting to 21 points in a loss at Philly - that ain't what life is like for Jackson. Totally different experience. This place is nuts sometimes with the extent of the homerism. Come on Terps, look at the difference in personal around Jackson vs Jones, on both sides of the ball it's a huge void between us and them

Including at quarterback, where Jones is not in Jackson's zip code.

In comment 15027345 stretch234 said:

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Curious how you do not lock onto your primary read when the expectation is you will be hit immediately. It is not possible to go through any progressions right now with the OL. It also is a fact they go many pass plays with no one open. They Have no speed at WR with Slayton on 1 leg. Yes they have played other teams with injuries, but they still present speed on the outside. When other teams defenses are getting home with 4-5 people, that leaves 6-7 back and really everyone covered high/low. What defense is worried about getting beat deep by these WR

Curious how Eli was able to do it against the dolphins last year ; same shit receivers (supposedly) same shit line.

In comment 15026724 Go Terps said:

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He's a really good runner. I've been saying it since last year: RPOs, rollouts, designed QB runs...that's what the offense should be from the outset. He should be featured as a runner, getting 8-12 attempts per game. So why is he at only 4.4 carries per game? If he's going to be the guy next year, I would acquire two mobile QBs to back him up and install an offense based on the QB as a runner - like they do in Baltimore. That's how you use Jones...not as a pocket passer.

I agree for the most part. Jones in no way is Lamar Jackson but he's definitely a mobile threat and the offense should be 100% catering to his strengths as a runner. When Jackson was drafted in Balt, the offense there was not 100% ready for his skill set as they still had Flacco in the fold. Once the offseason rolled around and Balt was ready to go 100% with Jackson, they ditched Flacco and restructured the offense around Jackson. the rest is MVP history.

The Ravens did everything they could to prevent Jackson from failing.

PS I'd love to see Jones and Jackson switch places just to settle some of these QB chicken or the egg debates once and for all.

In comment 15027355 Go Terps said:

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In comment 15027348 montanagiant said: Quote: In comment 15027275 Go Terps said: Quote: In comment 15027262 Chris684 said: Quote: Let's remember he went to a franchise that had made the playoffs 3 consecutive seasons before finally missing out on the last play of the last week of the regular season before he got there. Does anyone want to compare the track record of the Ravens before Jackson got there, to the track record of the Giants before Jones got here? Also, I'd hate to think of what would be said about an NYG quarterback if said QB was 0-2 with a 51% completion percentage, 3 TDs and 5 turnovers. Jackson is 24-4 as a starter with a 52/11 TD/INT split, another 14 TDs rushing, an MVP, and an offense that is averaging a little over 30 PPG. If Jones was doing that this thread wouldn't exist, and everyone here would be going insane over him. People are lauding Jones over getting to 21 points in a loss at Philly - that ain't what life is like for Jackson. Totally different experience. This place is nuts sometimes with the extent of the homerism. Come on Terps, look at the difference in personal around Jackson vs Jones, on both sides of the ball it's a huge void between us and them Including at quarterback, where Jones is not in Jackson's zip code.

Yes because Jackson is hot garbage

In comment 15027078 Brown_Hornet said:

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I lived in Bon Air at the time...I moved to Stratford Hills!

South side.....pfffft

because I don't think the Giants would have organizationally had the guts to do what Baltimore did - restructure the entire offense. Baltimore was creative and they get the most out of Jackson.

The Giants are putting Jones in situations that are not best for his skillset, and he is struggling with it. Can he get better? Absolutely. But his problems go well beyond the personnel around him. The mental part of the game is the biggest struggle I see for him.

And for those saying Jackson sucks because he is 0-2 in the playoffs, go check out Eli's first two playoff games. Spoiler alert - he was 0-2 with 2 TDs and 4 INTs.

you see one big play that fooled a couple of defenses for large gains . they don't care about that. they will let jones have it knowing full well they won't fall for it again.

Other mobile QBs take off when a play breaks down. Jones lacks that pocket presence. He also can't run outside the pocket and throw well consistently. Others can.